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Danny Kanell : 6/4/2021 2:55 pm
Good to see some common sense being applied. No political motives here, just passing along some important info. Pretty awesome how far we are coming along as we get back to normal.
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Chris in Philly : 6/6/2021 12:20 am : link
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are beginning to get back to normal, but changing this with like a week left in the school year or whatever it is seems dumb. Just finish the year and everyone is free to do what they want...



Also huge for special Ed kids in 12 month programs. I work in special Ed law. This will make speech therapy, etc in district 75 schools easier. Their school year starts 7/2.


I understand that. My wife is a special education teacher. But the vast majority of kids have roughly a week left before they are set free for the summer. It just makes more sense to me to wait until that happens. I know this isn’t scientific enough for Dr. Burberry, but common sense would say to just let the mask rules end with the school year and then everything is back to normal when they go back. I read one parent quoted as saying this was great because now the kids can take selfies and make TikToks. I mean what are we doing here? Risk is low - not non-existent. Just finish the year out.
Mask or not mask the last week  
Lines of Scrimmage : 6/6/2021 7:10 am : link
does not seem a very big deal.

What was a big deal and this was particularly in urban environments was the virtual teaching. It will take time but the number of Kids who fell further behind (and don't recover), got caught up in bad things, etc. will be far worse than the negative outcomes that would have occurred by them being in school imo.
I often wonder…  
Chris in Philly : 6/6/2021 3:39 pm : link
how many of the people with very strong opinions on this topic actually have kids in school.
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BurberryManning : 6/6/2021 9:06 pm : link
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are beginning to get back to normal, but changing this with like a week left in the school year or whatever it is seems dumb. Just finish the year and everyone is free to do what they want...



Also huge for special Ed kids in 12 month programs. I work in special Ed law. This will make speech therapy, etc in district 75 schools easier. Their school year starts 7/2.



I understand that. My wife is a special education teacher. But the vast majority of kids have roughly a week left before they are set free for the summer. It just makes more sense to me to wait until that happens. I know this isn’t scientific enough for Dr. Burberry, but common sense would say to just let the mask rules end with the school year and then everything is back to normal when they go back. I read one parent quoted as saying this was great because now the kids can take selfies and make TikToks. I mean what are we doing here? Risk is low - not non-existent. Just finish the year out.
Cool. Why doesn't common sense tell you to just keep the mask rules in place, indefinitely? Precisely, what risk will be extinguished from next week until September that is currently a threat? Alternatively, given that the relevant facts driving this decision have been known for quite a while, would common sense have led you to revoke the mask mandate weeks ago? I'd just like to identify if your common sense leaning is based upon the duration of the public policy directive or the risk quotient of the action.

I would argue that common sense would've inferred a number of other public policy decisions that were bungled by those in charge, and I would argue that keeping children in masks as long as they have been is among the many.

And I have one child in pre-school, one in kindergarten, and a preggers wife so I'm well invested in the pandemic response towards our younger population.
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Chris in Philly : 6/6/2021 9:25 pm : link
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are beginning to get back to normal, but changing this with like a week left in the school year or whatever it is seems dumb. Just finish the year and everyone is free to do what they want...



Also huge for special Ed kids in 12 month programs. I work in special Ed law. This will make speech therapy, etc in district 75 schools easier. Their school year starts 7/2.



I understand that. My wife is a special education teacher. But the vast majority of kids have roughly a week left before they are set free for the summer. It just makes more sense to me to wait until that happens. I know this isn’t scientific enough for Dr. Burberry, but common sense would say to just let the mask rules end with the school year and then everything is back to normal when they go back. I read one parent quoted as saying this was great because now the kids can take selfies and make TikToks. I mean what are we doing here? Risk is low - not non-existent. Just finish the year out.

Cool. Why doesn't common sense tell you to just keep the mask rules in place, indefinitely? Precisely, what risk will be extinguished from next week until September that is currently a threat?


Why should they not keep the mask rules in place indefinitely? Because they won’t be in fucking school. That is the entire point. And then there is the entire summer to continue widespread vaccination. I feel like I am speaking another language.
School called earlier today  
UConn4523 : 6/6/2021 9:31 pm : link
for early dismissal tomorrow due to heat. I don’t want my kid wearing her mask in a non-air conditioned room, even with the shortened day. “It’s just 1 more week” is a bullshit answer.
Change is paused  
RicFlair : 6/6/2021 11:23 pm : link
NEW YORK (WRGB/WBNG) — Officials say the guidance set by the state to change mask policies in schools has been put on pause.
https://wbng.com/2021/06/06/confusion-regarding-school-mask-mandates-changes-not-approved-by-state-education-department/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter_WBNG12News - ( New Window )
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Matt M. : 6/7/2021 12:33 am : link
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are beginning to get back to normal, but changing this with like a week left in the school year or whatever it is seems dumb. Just finish the year and everyone is free to do what they want...



Also huge for special Ed kids in 12 month programs. I work in special Ed law. This will make speech therapy, etc in district 75 schools easier. Their school year starts 7/2.



I understand that. My wife is a special education teacher. But the vast majority of kids have roughly a week left before they are set free for the summer. It just makes more sense to me to wait until that happens. I know this isn’t scientific enough for Dr. Burberry, but common sense would say to just let the mask rules end with the school year and then everything is back to normal when they go back. I read one parent quoted as saying this was great because now the kids can take selfies and make TikToks. I mean what are we doing here? Risk is low - not non-existent. Just finish the year out.

Cool. Why doesn't common sense tell you to just keep the mask rules in place, indefinitely? Precisely, what risk will be extinguished from next week until September that is currently a threat?




Why should they not keep the mask rules in place indefinitely? Because they won’t be in fucking school. That is the entire point. And then there is the entire summer to continue widespread vaccination. I feel like I am speaking another language.
And what is this "vast majority"? NYC is a large percentage of NYS student population and they have 3 more weeks of school.
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Route 9 : 6/7/2021 7:06 am : link
Common sense.

Yet let's have teenagers wearing masks inside of an oven school all day in June. Huh? If the airspace isn't safe enough according to the winners running the show in New Jersey, just do remote learning thing for the rest of the year.

I went to school in a non-air conditioned school. Wear a mask? May I curse instead, my grandmother?
Kinda seems  
KDubbs : 6/7/2021 7:12 am : link
like AC's in schools is a great idea until its put up for vote in the district and then it gets shot down cause your taxes will go up $5 for the next amount of years. We just had this up for vote last year and it was shot down overwhelmingly. wonder how many of those no's are whining about heat and masks now
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Route 9 : 6/7/2021 7:22 am : link
Might feel like 97 out by the Philly side of Jersey today. Have fun out there.

Masked Men Can't Jump.
RE: School called earlier today  
Bill L : 6/7/2021 7:44 am : link
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for early dismissal tomorrow due to heat. I don’t want my kid wearing her mask in a non-air conditioned room, even with the shortened day. “It’s just 1 more week” is a bullshit answer.


When in-school is untenable, for whatever reason, I wonder why they couldn't quickly pivot to remote (and this is going forward, beyond the pandemic)? They should be pretty well-versed in that by now. This could be similar to the wfh arguments from last week.
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Bill L : 6/7/2021 7:51 am : link
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Common sense.

Yet let's have teenagers wearing masks inside of an oven school all day in June. Huh? If the airspace isn't safe enough according to the winners running the show in New Jersey, just do remote learning thing for the rest of the year.

I went to school in a non-air conditioned school. Wear a mask? May I curse instead, my grandmother?


It's only anecdotal and we are not kids, but we are (well, "were" until a few weeks ago) required to wear masks for our hot yoga practices. Hotter and more humid than any school classroom. The masks don't really impact you any more than they do normally.
Study, seems like common sense but relevant  
RicFlair : 6/7/2021 7:51 am : link
Data shows that if you "never wore a mask" you were twice as likely to get COVID.

Such a simple act could have made such a big difference had their been responsible leadership in early 2020.
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RE: Kinda seems  
UConn4523 : 6/7/2021 7:52 am : link
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like AC's in schools is a great idea until its put up for vote in the district and then it gets shot down cause your taxes will go up $5 for the next amount of years. We just had this up for vote last year and it was shot down overwhelmingly. wonder how many of those no's are whining about heat and masks now


In 2019 my hometown (Stamford CT) had to close many schools for mold remediation (almost every school to varying degrees). Not sure what genius thought that its ok to have a school close for the summer with no airflow, but that's the northeast for you.

Its 2022 and we can't air condition schools in one of the wealthiest counties in the country, its absurd. But hey, they police are up for raises sitting in their brand new air conditioned Explorers.
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UConn4523 : 6/7/2021 7:54 am : link
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for early dismissal tomorrow due to heat. I don’t want my kid wearing her mask in a non-air conditioned room, even with the shortened day. “It’s just 1 more week” is a bullshit answer.



When in-school is untenable, for whatever reason, I wonder why they couldn't quickly pivot to remote (and this is going forward, beyond the pandemic)? They should be pretty well-versed in that by now. This could be similar to the wfh arguments from last week.


As much as I would be frustrated by it since work is nuts right now for my wife and I, i'd rather this than my daughter sit in what could be a 85/90 degree classroom by late morning today. And add a mask on top of it?
Going to be 2022  
UConn4523 : 6/7/2021 7:54 am : link
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Bill L : 6/7/2021 8:07 am : link
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for early dismissal tomorrow due to heat. I don’t want my kid wearing her mask in a non-air conditioned room, even with the shortened day. “It’s just 1 more week” is a bullshit answer.



When in-school is untenable, for whatever reason, I wonder why they couldn't quickly pivot to remote (and this is going forward, beyond the pandemic)? They should be pretty well-versed in that by now. This could be similar to the wfh arguments from last week.



As much as I would be frustrated by it since work is nuts right now for my wife and I, i'd rather this than my daughter sit in what could be a 85/90 degree classroom by late morning today. And add a mask on top of it?


I'm not sure about where you live, but where I live, much of any year's increases in school budgets get swallowed up by increased personnel costs. There's little left for other things and then they have to do "special elections" for capital stuff. Those usually get passed because there is always an accompanying massive guilt campaign (if you vote no, you must hate children), but there is some pushback because of the double-funding. I think if there was a brake on the personnel side, you might get things like AC, etc.
I'm in CT (Fairfield county but now New Haven County)  
UConn4523 : 6/7/2021 8:11 am : link
same issue both places, its much of the northeast. I know why they aren't doing it (kicking the can down the road) but it bit Stamford when they had horrible black mold. If they aren't going to end school in May then they need to do something to deal with the heat. They also need to cool it and dehumidify them over the summer when not in use, or mold will just come back.
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RicFlair : 6/7/2021 8:22 am : link
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for early dismissal tomorrow due to heat. I don’t want my kid wearing her mask in a non-air conditioned room, even with the shortened day. “It’s just 1 more week” is a bullshit answer.



When in-school is untenable, for whatever reason, I wonder why they couldn't quickly pivot to remote (and this is going forward, beyond the pandemic)? They should be pretty well-versed in that by now. This could be similar to the wfh arguments from last week.



As much as I would be frustrated by it since work is nuts right now for my wife and I, i'd rather this than my daughter sit in what could be a 85/90 degree classroom by late morning today. And add a mask on top of it?



I'm not sure about where you live, but where I live, much of any year's increases in school budgets get swallowed up by increased personnel costs. There's little left for other things and then they have to do "special elections" for capital stuff. Those usually get passed because there is always an accompanying massive guilt campaign (if you vote no, you must hate children), but there is some pushback because of the double-funding. I think if there was a brake on the personnel side, you might get things like AC, etc.



How about instead of that we just supply more money to the schools. The personnel are the ones educating our youth. It’s time we treat it like the important job it is.
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Bill L : 6/7/2021 8:47 am : link
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Lines of Scrimmage : 6/7/2021 9:00 am : link
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for early dismissal tomorrow due to heat. I don’t want my kid wearing her mask in a non-air conditioned room, even with the shortened day. “It’s just 1 more week” is a bullshit answer.



When in-school is untenable, for whatever reason, I wonder why they couldn't quickly pivot to remote (and this is going forward, beyond the pandemic)? They should be pretty well-versed in that by now. This could be similar to the wfh arguments from last week.



As much as I would be frustrated by it since work is nuts right now for my wife and I, i'd rather this than my daughter sit in what could be a 85/90 degree classroom by late morning today. And add a mask on top of it?



I'm not sure about where you live, but where I live, much of any year's increases in school budgets get swallowed up by increased personnel costs. There's little left for other things and then they have to do "special elections" for capital stuff. Those usually get passed because there is always an accompanying massive guilt campaign (if you vote no, you must hate children), but there is some pushback because of the double-funding. I think if there was a brake on the personnel side, you might get things like AC, etc.




How about instead of that we just supply more money to the schools. The personnel are the ones educating our youth. It’s time we treat it like the important job it is.


How about raising the standards? Pay the best people through a challenging merit system. Weed out the marginal to average performers.

This concept has served the military and pro sports well. The state and local govt's have far too many people where doing just enough is acceptable. It would be more cost effective and the savings then could then be applied to improved work environment and programs that will improve teaching the kids. Never happen with these unions.
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RicFlair : 6/7/2021 9:02 am : link
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You’re right. The only option is no raises for teachers vs ac for kids.
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RicFlair : 6/7/2021 9:04 am : link
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for early dismissal tomorrow due to heat. I don’t want my kid wearing her mask in a non-air conditioned room, even with the shortened day. “It’s just 1 more week” is a bullshit answer.



When in-school is untenable, for whatever reason, I wonder why they couldn't quickly pivot to remote (and this is going forward, beyond the pandemic)? They should be pretty well-versed in that by now. This could be similar to the wfh arguments from last week.



As much as I would be frustrated by it since work is nuts right now for my wife and I, i'd rather this than my daughter sit in what could be a 85/90 degree classroom by late morning today. And add a mask on top of it?



I'm not sure about where you live, but where I live, much of any year's increases in school budgets get swallowed up by increased personnel costs. There's little left for other things and then they have to do "special elections" for capital stuff. Those usually get passed because there is always an accompanying massive guilt campaign (if you vote no, you must hate children), but there is some pushback because of the double-funding. I think if there was a brake on the personnel side, you might get things like AC, etc.




How about instead of that we just supply more money to the schools. The personnel are the ones educating our youth. It’s time we treat it like the important job it is.



How about raising the standards? Pay the best people through a challenging merit system. Weed out the marginal to average performers.

This concept has served the military and pro sports well. The state and local govt's have far too many people where doing just enough is acceptable. It would be more cost effective and the savings then could then be applied to improved work environment and programs that will improve teaching the kids. Never happen with these unions.



As long as its across the board for any govt employee.


How come we never hear complaints about other govt employees getting raises, but always when it’s teachers.
RE: Agreed that it isn’t scientific  
giants#1 : 6/7/2021 9:04 am : link
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and like I mentioned above, camp starts soon. While outside kids are going to be sharing things again, spending possibly 2x as much time with each other than they did in school, and their hygiene will fall by the wayside. The risk doesn’t just go away when school is out until they go back in a free months - it’s arguably going to be higher for many over the summer.


The risk of it spreading outdoors is much lower than indoors, even if protocols are loosened. Especially looking at the seasonality of it.
Or  
RicFlair : 6/7/2021 9:05 am : link
We are supposed to be the greatest nation on earth, how about we find a way to not make the kids be hot as hell in school.
Ric Flair  
Lines of Scrimmage : 6/7/2021 9:08 am : link
It should be applied across the board. You will raise the overall quality when people know that you are not entitled to the next year(s) and it opens up good jobs for those entering the workforce.
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RicFlair : 6/7/2021 9:11 am : link
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It should be applied across the board. You will raise the overall quality when people know that you are not entitled to the next year(s) and it opens up good jobs for those entering the workforce.



Sounds ok, but should this really have to be done to put AC in our schools?
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Bill L : 6/7/2021 9:12 am : link
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You’re right. The only option is no raises for teachers vs ac for kids.


I think it's going to vary based on many different things in every school district. I think it is really hard for you to say "just do this" without even knowing how much people are already making, the circumstances of the district, the amount people are already taxed, etc. Merely being reflexive and have a one size fits all doesn't work IMO.
I'll trust the science, but I dont understand how kids 9 and under  
ron mexico : 6/7/2021 9:12 am : link
don't spread the virus.

Those little fuckers are germ traps.

Is it something about their youth really making them more resistant or is it just they are the most compliant group with regards to masks because its easier to make them comply.

Either way I'm happy to loosen the restriction for kids that age, its is definitely getting to the point where the cure is worse than the disease for young children. They did their part, time for them to live.
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Bill L : 6/7/2021 9:13 am : link
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for early dismissal tomorrow due to heat. I don’t want my kid wearing her mask in a non-air conditioned room, even with the shortened day. “It’s just 1 more week” is a bullshit answer.



When in-school is untenable, for whatever reason, I wonder why they couldn't quickly pivot to remote (and this is going forward, beyond the pandemic)? They should be pretty well-versed in that by now. This could be similar to the wfh arguments from last week.



As much as I would be frustrated by it since work is nuts right now for my wife and I, i'd rather this than my daughter sit in what could be a 85/90 degree classroom by late morning today. And add a mask on top of it?



I'm not sure about where you live, but where I live, much of any year's increases in school budgets get swallowed up by increased personnel costs. There's little left for other things and then they have to do "special elections" for capital stuff. Those usually get passed because there is always an accompanying massive guilt campaign (if you vote no, you must hate children), but there is some pushback because of the double-funding. I think if there was a brake on the personnel side, you might get things like AC, etc.




How about instead of that we just supply more money to the schools. The personnel are the ones educating our youth. It’s time we treat it like the important job it is.



How about raising the standards? Pay the best people through a challenging merit system. Weed out the marginal to average performers.

This concept has served the military and pro sports well. The state and local govt's have far too many people where doing just enough is acceptable. It would be more cost effective and the savings then could then be applied to improved work environment and programs that will improve teaching the kids. Never happen with these unions.




As long as its across the board for any govt employee.


How come we never hear complaints about other govt employees getting raises, but always when it’s teachers.
FYI and speaking as a gov't employee, I'm not sure what raises you're talking about. It's been at least 4 years since we had any change our pay.
And I don’t know if y’all missed it  
RicFlair : 6/7/2021 9:14 am : link
But they have put this on hold. Masks are still currently required.
RE: I'll trust the science, but I dont understand how kids 9 and under  
Bill L : 6/7/2021 9:16 am : link
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don't spread the virus.

Those little fuckers are germ traps.

Is it something about their youth really making them more resistant or is it just they are the most compliant group with regards to masks because its easier to make them comply.

Either way I'm happy to loosen the restriction for kids that age, its is definitely getting to the point where the cure is worse than the disease for young children. They did their part, time for them to live.


They spread the virus as well or better than any other age group (excepting college-aged kids (which is more sociology than biology). It's just that people feel like since they (for the most part) don't get severely ill or even symptomatic (yet), they are not infectious. Of course, people are wrong.
N.Y. will end most remaining covid restrictions after 70% vaccinated  
RicFlair : 6/7/2021 1:04 pm : link
New York will lift most of its remaining pandemic-era restrictions on businesses and social settings once 70 percent of the state’s adults have received at least one dose of a coronavirus vaccine, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo announced on Monday.

Without offering many details, the governor said broadly that reaching the threshold would signify the end of restrictions on capacity limits, social distancing, disinfection protocols and health screenings.

He said, however, that the state would abide by mask guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Some restrictions would also continue in schools, public transit, homeless shelters and large venues, as well as correctional and health care facilities.

“When we hit 70 percent we will be back to life as normal,” Mr. Cuomo, a third-term Democrat, said during a news conference in Manhattan. “Or as normalized as you can be post-Covid.”

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RE: N.Y. will end most remaining covid restrictions after 70% vaccinated  
Bill L : 6/7/2021 1:08 pm : link
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New York will lift most of its remaining pandemic-era restrictions on businesses and social settings once 70 percent of the state’s adults have received at least one dose of a coronavirus vaccine, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo announced on Monday.

Without offering many details, the governor said broadly that reaching the threshold would signify the end of restrictions on capacity limits, social distancing, disinfection protocols and health screenings.

He said, however, that the state would abide by mask guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Some restrictions would also continue in schools, public transit, homeless shelters and large venues, as well as correctional and health care facilities.

“When we hit 70 percent we will be back to life as normal,” Mr. Cuomo, a third-term Democrat, said during a news conference in Manhattan. “Or as normalized as you can be post-Covid.” Link - ( New Window )


I think that the last 20% is going to be harder than the first 50%. All that are left, unfortunate, are the intransigent, uneducated, and misinformed.
RE: RE: N.Y. will end most remaining covid restrictions after 70% vaccinated  
Bill L : 6/7/2021 1:09 pm : link
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New York will lift most of its remaining pandemic-era restrictions on businesses and social settings once 70 percent of the state’s adults have received at least one dose of a coronavirus vaccine, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo announced on Monday.

Without offering many details, the governor said broadly that reaching the threshold would signify the end of restrictions on capacity limits, social distancing, disinfection protocols and health screenings.

He said, however, that the state would abide by mask guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Some restrictions would also continue in schools, public transit, homeless shelters and large venues, as well as correctional and health care facilities.

“When we hit 70 percent we will be back to life as normal,” Mr. Cuomo, a third-term Democrat, said during a news conference in Manhattan. “Or as normalized as you can be post-Covid.” Link - ( New Window )



I think that the last 20% is going to be harder than the first 50%. All that are left, unfortunate, are the intransigent, uneducated, and misinformed.


But, and I stress this and should stress more often. That's not on them. That's on us to educate and nurture them into choosing as well as enacting policy to incentivize or disincentivize not being vaccinated.
I wonder if it's 70% statewide?  
Bill L : 6/7/2021 1:11 pm : link
IMO, it should be county by county.
RE: RE: Agreed that it isn’t scientific  
UConn4523 : 6/7/2021 1:12 pm : link
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and like I mentioned above, camp starts soon. While outside kids are going to be sharing things again, spending possibly 2x as much time with each other than they did in school, and their hygiene will fall by the wayside. The risk doesn’t just go away when school is out until they go back in a free months - it’s arguably going to be higher for many over the summer.



The risk of it spreading outdoors is much lower than indoors, even if protocols are loosened. Especially looking at the seasonality of it.


I know, but I also don't fully buy it. All being outdoors does is prevent it spreading within close quarter droplets by sneezing, coughing etc. But I'm talking about kids in camp who are dirty all day, don't wash their hands, share food and objects, and that's in a day that's almost 2x longer than school (8am-6pm vs 8:30am-2:30pm). They will be supervised by college students, not teachers in a controlled environment where masks can be policed, along with social distancing.

It doesn't add up for me, I think camps are going to have pretty high transmission rates. And I'm all for moving forward with them and I'm sending my daughter, but to think it isn't going to happen because they are outside doesn't make much sense to me.
Wow. According to the Albany paper  
Bill L : 6/7/2021 1:18 pm : link
we are already at 68.6%, so we are almost there.

That gives me hope and more faith in people.
RE: Wow. According to the Albany paper  
CGiants07 : 6/7/2021 5:45 pm : link
In comment 15281615 Bill L said:
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we are already at 68.6%, so we are almost there.

That gives me hope and more faith in people.

yea the state offical page update today says we are at 66.4 % of adults with at least 1 dose and like 54 % fully vaxed
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CGiants07 : 6/7/2021 5:46 pm : link
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are beginning to get back to normal, but changing this with like a week left in the school year or whatever it is seems dumb. Just finish the year and everyone is free to do what they want...



Also huge for special Ed kids in 12 month programs. I work in special Ed law. This will make speech therapy, etc in district 75 schools easier. Their school year starts 7/2.



I understand that. My wife is a special education teacher. But the vast majority of kids have roughly a week left before they are set free for the summer. It just makes more sense to me to wait until that happens. I know this isn’t scientific enough for Dr. Burberry, but common sense would say to just let the mask rules end with the school year and then everything is back to normal when they go back. I read one parent quoted as saying this was great because now the kids can take selfies and make TikToks. I mean what are we doing here? Risk is low - not non-existent. Just finish the year out.

Cool. Why doesn't common sense tell you to just keep the mask rules in place, indefinitely? Precisely, what risk will be extinguished from next week until September that is currently a threat?




Why should they not keep the mask rules in place indefinitely? Because they won’t be in fucking school. That is the entire point. And then there is the entire summer to continue widespread vaccination. I feel like I am speaking another language.

And what is this "vast majority"? NYC is a large percentage of NYS student population and they have 3 more weeks of school.

yea upstate kids are in school until june 23rd
June 23 is criminal...  
Chris in Philly : 6/7/2021 6:17 pm : link
Come on, schools. Give these kids a summer already. Every school around here including my kids' is out next week at the latest.
RE: I wonder if it's 70% statewide?  
PwndPapi : 6/7/2021 6:42 pm : link
In comment 15281609 Bill L said:
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IMO, it should be county by county.


Bingo.
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Route 9 : 6/7/2021 7:18 pm : link
If you're a high school student, just cut.

You're not missing anything important until exams.

(Spoiler: those aren't important either)
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/7/2021 7:20 pm : link
School going to June 23? WTF?
First time I was in a store  
Bricktop : 6/7/2021 7:21 pm : link
in NY in 17 months without a mask today. It was weird.
RE: First time I was in a store  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/7/2021 7:26 pm : link
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in NY in 17 months without a mask today. It was weird.


First time for me was weird too. But good weird. It's time to get back to normal.
RE: RE: First time I was in a store  
Bricktop : 6/7/2021 7:31 pm : link
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in NY in 17 months without a mask today. It was weird.



First time for me was weird too. But good weird. It's time to get back to normal.


I was trying so hard not to touch my face. It's amazing how much you do it without realizing it.
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Route 9 : 6/7/2021 7:33 pm : link
Back in my day, little Rollins, we went til the 26th.

Why are you guys amazed by this bullshit? You expecting something else? It's NJ/NY lol shopping without masks is weird.

What a joke. Field trip to Stupid Town.
RE: RE: RE: First time I was in a store  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/7/2021 7:36 pm : link
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in NY in 17 months without a mask today. It was weird.



First time for me was weird too. But good weird. It's time to get back to normal.



I was trying so hard not to touch my face. It's amazing how much you do it without realizing it.


Haha. I think I read that the average person touches their face something like 20 times an hour, often without even realizing it. I've always been a germaphobe so I am like a zealot about not touching my face.
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