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NFT: NY removing school mask mandate effective Monday

Danny Kanell : 6/4/2021 2:55 pm
Good to see some common sense being applied. No political motives here, just passing along some important info. Pretty awesome how far we are coming along as we get back to normal.
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Great that things...  
Chris in Philly : 6/4/2021 3:03 pm : link
are beginning to get back to normal, but changing this with like a week left in the school year or whatever it is seems dumb. Just finish the year and everyone is free to do what they want...
I’m praying NJ  
Jolly Blue Giant : 6/4/2021 3:05 pm : link
Follows suit
RE: Great that things...  
Danny Kanell : 6/4/2021 3:05 pm : link
In comment 15280039 Chris in Philly said:
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are beginning to get back to normal, but changing this with like a week left in the school year or whatever it is seems dumb. Just finish the year and everyone is free to do what they want...


I think it's probably because they're calling for a heatwave next week and a lot of schools aren't air conditioned.
I’m praying NJ  
Jolly Blue Giant : 6/4/2021 3:05 pm : link
Follows
"the common sense" part seems political to me  
Bill L : 6/4/2021 3:09 pm : link
and, I'm not sure that I agree with it at all. A friend's son's lacrosse team just had 4 players go into quarantine because of a seed at school.
RE:  
Danny Kanell : 6/4/2021 3:15 pm : link
In comment 15280054 Bill L said:
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and, I'm not sure that I agree with it at all. A friend's son's lacrosse team just had 4 players go into quarantine because of a seed at school.


How so? The numbers are so low and it's going to be very hot next week. I have friends on both sides of the aisle that have been begging for masks mandates to be lifted for kids. Your comment was unnecessary and incorrect.
RE: Great that things...  
UConn4523 : 6/4/2021 3:20 pm : link
In comment 15280039 Chris in Philly said:
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are beginning to get back to normal, but changing this with like a week left in the school year or whatever it is seems dumb. Just finish the year and everyone is free to do what they want...


I just got a note from our Super in CT that they may have to close school next week if the heat is bad enough. We still have a mask mandate but I draw the line with the heat. I've told my daughter that if she gets uncomfortable with it on, to take it off and if there are any issues her teacher can call us.

Absolutely no way in hell i'm telling her to keep it on in the heat.
Not commenting on the mask stuff..  
Sean : 6/4/2021 3:36 pm : link
But, the school year should not be going into June when most of these schools don’t have AC. Makes no sense. Just run the school year from the Tuesday after Labor Day up until Memorial Day weekend.
I disagree  
Giant John : 6/4/2021 3:38 pm : link
And think it’s too soon. Hope I’m wrong though.
RE: Not commenting on the mask stuff..  
UConn4523 : 6/4/2021 3:45 pm : link
In comment 15280084 Sean said:
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But, the school year should not be going into June when most of these schools don’t have AC. Makes no sense. Just run the school year from the Tuesday after Labor Day up until Memorial Day weekend.


I don't get it either. If teachers are still getting their normal time off as per their contract it shouldn't matter when that time is.

Its also preposterous that schools can't even get window units installed but that's for a whole other thread.
RE:  
Juice921 : 6/4/2021 3:47 pm : link
In comment 15280054 Bill L said:
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and, I'm not sure that I agree with it at all. A friend's son's lacrosse team just had 4 players go into quarantine because of a seed at school.


I agree with Bill. It's two more weeks. finish the year, lift it for September. I complete disagree its "common sense"
the heat makes for an interesting variable  
LG in NYC : 6/4/2021 3:47 pm : link
but with the majority (?) of these kids not likely vaccinated and with the school year almost over, it seems a silly thing to do.
(again, if the heat wave is driving this move, then it makes more sense)

I am fully vaccinated and am taking full advantage of that fact but still, I am more than happy to wear a mask on the PATH or public places (and airplanes when I eventually get to go somewhere!)

its annoying to wear a mask but it isn't life altering.
Heat wave?  
Blue92 : 6/4/2021 3:54 pm : link
I live in NJ and per my weather app, the highs for next week are currently 91, 90, 90, 81, 73. The lows are 68, 70, 70, 63, 59. That's not out of the norm for late spring / early summer.

I think the indoor mask mandate makes sense but my school district mandates that you keep them on outside, even if you're vaccinated, which makes no sense. At drop off and pick up, you see a bunch of parents and kids standing around outside spread out wearing masks. That's just unnecessary hygiene theater.
Yeah but public school includes 5 year olds  
UConn4523 : 6/4/2021 3:55 pm : link
High schoolers should suck it up by I’m not telling my 5 year old that. We are both vaxxed and kids are low risk as it is. What happens when a kid passes out or worse?
RE: RE: Great that things...  
Chris in Philly : 6/4/2021 4:03 pm : link
In comment 15280067 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 15280039 Chris in Philly said:


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are beginning to get back to normal, but changing this with like a week left in the school year or whatever it is seems dumb. Just finish the year and everyone is free to do what they want...



I just got a note from our Super in CT that they may have to close school next week if the heat is bad enough. We still have a mask mandate but I draw the line with the heat. I've told my daughter that if she gets uncomfortable with it on, to take it off and if there are any issues her teacher can call us.

Absolutely no way in hell i'm telling her to keep it on in the heat.


If the heat is that bad and they have no A/C they should just switch to virtual instruction.
I would agree  
UConn4523 : 6/4/2021 4:17 pm : link
as much as it sucks for us I'd rather that than the alternatives.

Its also worth noting kids are going to be spending a lot more time together when camp starts - longer days, less supervision, and tons of "shared" objects. So stopping masks with 1 weeks to go in school doesn't mean much - they will likely be transmitting at higher levels over the summer.
RE: Great that things...  
Beezer : 6/4/2021 4:20 pm : link
In comment 15280039 Chris in Philly said:
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are beginning to get back to normal, but changing this with like a week left in the school year or whatever it is seems dumb. Just finish the year and everyone is free to do what they want...


This.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/4/2021 4:41 pm : link
Good.
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Route 9 : 6/4/2021 5:17 pm : link
Yikes. I'm don't know whether to be happy or jealous I got out of high school when I did.

My old high school had the asbestos issue and if you were 14-18 in that window for the last few years, your whole high school experience was fucked up. Split days, COVID. No prom. No graduation. What a mess within those 4 years.

I only say I'm jealous because with all this going on, I just wouldn't ever show up lol you're not missing anything. Proud to be New Jersey.
......  
Route 9 : 6/4/2021 5:19 pm : link
Oh yeah and now if kids have a ton snow, you still have to do classes online?


How sad.

Blah. Still wouldn't "show up" lol.
RE: ......  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/4/2021 5:28 pm : link
In comment 15280139 Route 9 said:
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Oh yeah and now if kids have a ton snow, you still have to do classes online?


How sad.

Blah. Still wouldn't "show up" lol.


It would have been worth it if you could trade the last month or school of so to do at home. Absolutely brutal and can't believe we expect kids to learn in that environment. In fact I remember the last month of school essentially being bunch of bullshit because of the heat.
......  
Route 9 : 6/4/2021 5:41 pm : link
I remember one year I got out the 25th or the 26th. It had to be in 2003 when we had that huge blizzard and we were out for a week in February. By the time your High School "career" rolled around, you could almost plan your own schedule.

By Junior, Senior year, majority of the schedule were electives and gym. So when exams rolled around you could just leave early or there were no exams worth showing up for on certain days. Some of the teachers who taught the elective classes even allowed us to take the exams early on because they wanted to get the fuck out of there LOL

I remember taking two math classes or two Sciences classes in one year just to get them over with. I have no idea if they still allow stuff like that. I am 100% out of the loop.

I bet a lot of school districts  
Bricktop : 6/4/2021 6:03 pm : link
will bypass the Governor's mandate and wait for the NYS or county health department's directives. With so little time left in the school year, this seems short-sighted to me. Especially for the under-12 age group that hasn't been able to get vaccinated yet. Politics aside on BBI, there have been some very "interesting" moves by Cuomo that a lot of people don't agree with here in NY.
CDC  
RicFlair : 6/4/2021 6:41 pm : link
From CDC:

"Current evidence demonstrates that consistent mask use indoors among people two and older who are not fully vaccinated, along with other preventive strategies, is key to reducing the spread of COVID-19."


https://twitter.com/reportermarina/status/1400944660600795144?s=21 - ( New Window )
RE: ......  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/4/2021 7:46 pm : link
In comment 15280139 Route 9 said:
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Oh yeah and now if kids have a ton snow, you still have to do classes online?


How sad.

Blah. Still wouldn't "show up" lol.


One of my favorite snow days memories was in high school me and two of my friends crushed a handle of wild turkey and half fifth of svedka while his mom was away on business. Many drunken snow day activities where to be had that day.
Case rates are dropping. It's time to get back to normal.  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 6/4/2021 7:48 pm : link
Over 46% of New Yorkers are fully vaxxed at over 54% have at least one shot. Add that to the over 10% of people who have had the disease and that's a big majority that have at least some immunity.

Today's seven day moving average of daily cases is 648, or just over 3 per 100,000. That's roughly 20% of what it was 30 days ago.

Everyone 12 and over can get the vaccine. The mRNA shots are 95% effective. If you are fully vaccinated, your risk from COVID-19 is very very small

Children 9 and under have very little risk from COVID-19 and are much less likely to spread it.

I have tremendous respect for the CDC, but everyone should understand that, as an organization, they are very risk averse. They're the ones who tell you that eggs must be cooked with hard yolks and hamburgers need to be at least medium well.
Gary.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/4/2021 7:53 pm : link
Well said. I have a tremendous amount of respect for the CDC, but as you said, it's an overly cautious agency. And I get it...that's their job. I don't give them hell either for the mixed messages last spring because we were pretty much flying blind. But it's time to get back to normal.
RE: Case rates are dropping. It's time to get back to normal.  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/4/2021 8:07 pm : link
In comment 15280198 Gary from The East End said:
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Over 46% of New Yorkers are fully vaxxed at over 54% have at least one shot. Add that to the over 10% of people who have had the disease and that's a big majority that have at least some immunity.

Today's seven day moving average of daily cases is 648, or just over 3 per 100,000. That's roughly 20% of what it was 30 days ago.

Everyone 12 and over can get the vaccine. The mRNA shots are 95% effective. If you are fully vaccinated, your risk from COVID-19 is very very small

Children 9 and under have very little risk from COVID-19 and are much less likely to spread it.

I have tremendous respect for the CDC, but everyone should understand that, as an organization, they are very risk averse. They're the ones who tell you that eggs must be cooked with hard yolks and hamburgers need to be at least medium well.


Right 50% of Americans (and almost all of those that want it and need it, except for the immunocompromised) have had a vaccination and 1 in 3 Americans have already had it. At this point, if you don't relax mask-wearing, you may as well just wear masks year round to protect from flu deaths. Some people are just naturally nervous nellies.
Saying that schools should wait one additional week...  
Chris in Philly : 6/4/2021 8:16 pm : link
for the school year to end is not pearl clutching nervous nellies. It's one frigging week. Jesus the generalization around here is so annoying...
The overreaching generalizations  
Bricktop : 6/4/2021 8:19 pm : link
are really something. Comparing cooking hamburgers to a worldwide pandemic. Nervous Nellie's. Not being "risk averse" at the very beginning got us to this point. Good lord.
RE: RE: Case rates are dropping. It's time to get back to normal.  
Bill L : 6/4/2021 8:30 pm : link
In comment 15280213 Zeke's Alibi said:
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In comment 15280198 Gary from The East End said:


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Over 46% of New Yorkers are fully vaxxed at over 54% have at least one shot. Add that to the over 10% of people who have had the disease and that's a big majority that have at least some immunity.

Today's seven day moving average of daily cases is 648, or just over 3 per 100,000. That's roughly 20% of what it was 30 days ago.

Everyone 12 and over can get the vaccine. The mRNA shots are 95% effective. If you are fully vaccinated, your risk from COVID-19 is very very small

Children 9 and under have very little risk from COVID-19 and are much less likely to spread it.

I have tremendous respect for the CDC, but everyone should understand that, as an organization, they are very risk averse. They're the ones who tell you that eggs must be cooked with hard yolks and hamburgers need to be at least medium well.



Right 50% of Americans (and almost all of those that want it and need it, except for the immunocompromised) have had a vaccination and 1 in 3 Americans have already had it. At this point, if you don't relax mask-wearing, you may as well just wear masks year round to protect from flu deaths. Some people are just naturally nervous nellies.

I just hope they couple dropping mask requirements fro vaccine requirements for schools, public offices, extracurricular, including travel youth sports, etc.
Bill L...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/4/2021 8:34 pm : link
When do you think they drop wearing masks on planes/trains/buses?
RE: Bill L...  
Bill L : 6/4/2021 8:37 pm : link
In comment 15280227 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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When do you think they drop wearing masks on planes/trains/buses?
No clue. But I expect airplanes to maybe be the last considering international travel still has to be worked out. Unless they set different rules for domestic vs international. But, then again, I really really want them to check vaccination status during the tsa check in and act appropriately. Either enforce mask, or better still make vaccination a requirment to board.
The one pro of all this, is that mask wearing while sick is going to  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/4/2021 8:50 pm : link
be socially expected. You go into a room a coughing fit and not wearing a mask, everyone is going to think you're an asshole. It's not going to stop all, but I expect much more mask-wearing in the future.
RE: RE: Case rates are dropping. It's time to get back to normal.  
Matt M. : 6/4/2021 9:19 pm : link
In comment 15280213 Zeke's Alibi said:
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In comment 15280198 Gary from The East End said:


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Over 46% of New Yorkers are fully vaxxed at over 54% have at least one shot. Add that to the over 10% of people who have had the disease and that's a big majority that have at least some immunity.

Today's seven day moving average of daily cases is 648, or just over 3 per 100,000. That's roughly 20% of what it was 30 days ago.

Everyone 12 and over can get the vaccine. The mRNA shots are 95% effective. If you are fully vaccinated, your risk from COVID-19 is very very small

Children 9 and under have very little risk from COVID-19 and are much less likely to spread it.

I have tremendous respect for the CDC, but everyone should understand that, as an organization, they are very risk averse. They're the ones who tell you that eggs must be cooked with hard yolks and hamburgers need to be at least medium well.



Right 50% of Americans (and almost all of those that want it and need it, except for the immunocompromised) have had a vaccination and 1 in 3 Americans have already had it. At this point, if you don't relax mask-wearing, you may as well just wear masks year round to protect from flu deaths. Some people are just naturally nervous nellies.
I don't know if those vaccinations stats are correct, but even if they are, wasn't the desired threshold at least 70% vaccinated?
RE: Great that things...  
Matt M. : 6/4/2021 9:20 pm : link
In comment 15280039 Chris in Philly said:
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are beginning to get back to normal, but changing this with like a week left in the school year or whatever it is seems dumb. Just finish the year and everyone is free to do what they want...
Agreed, especially with vaccines only opened to 12-15 year olds this week. Allo more time for them to be vaccinated. Finish out this year and drop it for next year.
RE: RE: RE: Case rates are dropping. It's time to get back to normal.  
Matt M. : 6/4/2021 9:22 pm : link
In comment 15280224 Bill L said:
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In comment 15280213 Zeke's Alibi said:


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In comment 15280198 Gary from The East End said:


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Over 46% of New Yorkers are fully vaxxed at over 54% have at least one shot. Add that to the over 10% of people who have had the disease and that's a big majority that have at least some immunity.

Today's seven day moving average of daily cases is 648, or just over 3 per 100,000. That's roughly 20% of what it was 30 days ago.

Everyone 12 and over can get the vaccine. The mRNA shots are 95% effective. If you are fully vaccinated, your risk from COVID-19 is very very small

Children 9 and under have very little risk from COVID-19 and are much less likely to spread it.

I have tremendous respect for the CDC, but everyone should understand that, as an organization, they are very risk averse. They're the ones who tell you that eggs must be cooked with hard yolks and hamburgers need to be at least medium well.



Right 50% of Americans (and almost all of those that want it and need it, except for the immunocompromised) have had a vaccination and 1 in 3 Americans have already had it. At this point, if you don't relax mask-wearing, you may as well just wear masks year round to protect from flu deaths. Some people are just naturally nervous nellies.


I just hope they couple dropping mask requirements fro vaccine requirements for schools, public offices, extracurricular, including travel youth sports, etc.
Bill - agreed. It won't happen, but teachers should have to get vaccinated. The UFT had reason after reason, based on very little, to close schools, keep people home, etc. yet won't ask their members to vaccinated and won't allow principals or the DOE inquire about vaccination status.
RE: RE: RE: Case rates are dropping. It's time to get back to normal.  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/4/2021 9:22 pm : link
In comment 15280250 Matt M. said:
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In comment 15280213 Zeke's Alibi said:




Right 50% of Americans (and almost all of those that want it and need it, except for the immunocompromised) have had a vaccination and 1 in 3 Americans have already had it. At this point, if you don't relax mask-wearing, you may as well just wear masks year round to protect from flu deaths. Some people are just naturally nervous nellies.

I don't know if those vaccinations stats are correct, but even if they are, wasn't the desired threshold at least 70% vaccinated?


I meant to write 50% of adults.
My 5 year old has been back in school  
antdog24 : 6/4/2021 10:57 pm : link
5 days a week full classes since early april. Not one case and if you think these kids aren't moving their masks, picking their noses, getting spit all over everything and touching each other... I got a bridge to sell you. The least vulnerable, low infection rate ages should have never been wearing masks. Never made sense.
If we’re following the science...  
BurberryManning : 6/5/2021 4:24 am : link
What are the probabilities associated with schoolchildren...
A) getting the virus, given my understanding that they are less likely to contract it?
B) spread the virus to other children, given my understanding that they are much less likely to transmit it and contract it?
C) spread the virus to more vulnerable populations, given high vaccination rates amongst those demographics?
D) become ill, given the (thankfully) very low documented likelihood of hospitalization rates and death?

Based upon the data it would seem as though the downside probabilities to our youth shedding their COVID masks are not dissimilar and may even be lower than those of other infectious diseases, of which we don’t prescribe the same precautionary measures.

If we’re no longer worried about Junior killing grandma or any responsible adult for that matter (assuming getting vaxxed qualifies as responsible), then what are the negative outcomes we’re looking to prevent?

And “just wait another freaking week,” doesn’t come off as very scientific.
Agreed that it isn’t scientific  
UConn4523 : 6/5/2021 6:51 am : link
and like I mentioned above, camp starts soon. While outside kids are going to be sharing things again, spending possibly 2x as much time with each other than they did in school, and their hygiene will fall by the wayside. The risk doesn’t just go away when school is out until they go back in a free months - it’s arguably going to be higher for many over the summer.
It may or may not be political  
Bubba : 6/5/2021 7:03 am : link
but it is interesting timing with the NY primaries a few weeks away.
RE: It may or may not be political  
Route 9 : 6/5/2021 8:11 am : link
In comment 15280340 Bubba said:
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but it is interesting timing with the NY primaries a few weeks away.


Nope. No way. Nothing in life is ever politically motivated, conspiracy man!!
RE: If we’re following the science...  
Bill L : 6/5/2021 10:15 am : link
In comment 15280327 BurberryManning said:
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What are the probabilities associated with schoolchildren...
A) getting the virus, given my understanding that they are less likely to contract it?
B) spread the virus to other children, given my understanding that they are much less likely to transmit it and contract it?
C) spread the virus to more vulnerable populations, given high vaccination rates amongst those demographics?
D) become ill, given the (thankfully) very low documented likelihood of hospitalization rates and death?

Based upon the data it would seem as though the downside probabilities to our youth shedding their COVID masks are not dissimilar and may even be lower than those of other infectious diseases, of which we don’t prescribe the same precautionary measures.

If we’re no longer worried about Junior killing grandma or any responsible adult for that matter (assuming getting vaxxed qualifies as responsible), then what are the negative outcomes we’re looking to prevent?

And “just wait another freaking week,” doesn’t come off as very scientific.


I don’t think you’re wrong, is probabilities right? We’re currently involved in a large national study on children with a condition called multi inflammatory syndrome in children. It’s a COVID caused syndrome which can have severe, possibly fatal consequences. There are a fair number of children enrolled in the study. Overall, it’s a very low frequency occurrence, but, hey, what if it’s my kid.
Its based on the science Bill  
Dave on the UWS : 6/5/2021 3:55 pm : link
Gary is right on point. Its not based on what time of the school year it is. Covid, like measles, and flu, is likely to be with us permanently. But the incidence of contraction and hospitalizations has dropped to a point, that its time to get back to business.
Now if we could just get the 20% who are hold outs, we would be in even better shape.
RE: RE: If we’re following the science...  
BurberryManning : 6/5/2021 7:08 pm : link
In comment 15280383 Bill L said:
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In comment 15280327 BurberryManning said:


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What are the probabilities associated with schoolchildren...
A) getting the virus, given my understanding that they are less likely to contract it?
B) spread the virus to other children, given my understanding that they are much less likely to transmit it and contract it?
C) spread the virus to more vulnerable populations, given high vaccination rates amongst those demographics?
D) become ill, given the (thankfully) very low documented likelihood of hospitalization rates and death?

Based upon the data it would seem as though the downside probabilities to our youth shedding their COVID masks are not dissimilar and may even be lower than those of other infectious diseases, of which we don’t prescribe the same precautionary measures.

If we’re no longer worried about Junior killing grandma or any responsible adult for that matter (assuming getting vaxxed qualifies as responsible), then what are the negative outcomes we’re looking to prevent?

And “just wait another freaking week,” doesn’t come off as very scientific.



I don’t think you’re wrong, is probabilities right? We’re currently involved in a large national study on children with a condition called multi inflammatory syndrome in children. It’s a COVID caused syndrome which can have severe, possibly fatal consequences. There are a fair number of children enrolled in the study. Overall, it’s a very low frequency occurrence, but, hey, what if it’s my kid.

I empathize with that viewpoint, Bill, and especially with someone of your credentials which far surpass mine. I've just become increasingly displeased with sliding goalposts of public health concern, what quantifies as such, and what measures we're willing to go through to minimize them. I think the utilitarian threshold has already been reached as it relates to the a good portion of the U.S.'s populations response to the virus. At this point it seems little more than symbolic and virtue-signaling.

Then there are the endless straw men we can invent to put that question of, "what if it's my kid," into context. Under similar guise of youth safety we could surely look to question any sort of automobile travel, pool ownership, etc. And ironically, youth suicide has been exacerbated by the COVID lockdowns but many seem to skate over that negative externality of the pandemic response.
RE: Great that things...  
jpkmets : 6/5/2021 9:19 pm : link
In comment 15280039 Chris in Philly said:
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are beginning to get back to normal, but changing this with like a week left in the school year or whatever it is seems dumb. Just finish the year and everyone is free to do what they want...


Also huge for special Ed kids in 12 month programs. I work in special Ed law. This will make speech therapy, etc in district 75 schools easier. Their school year starts 7/2.
RE: RE: RE: If we’re following the science...  
Bill L : 6/5/2021 10:02 pm : link
In comment 15280593 BurberryManning said:
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In comment 15280383 Bill L said:


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In comment 15280327 BurberryManning said:


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What are the probabilities associated with schoolchildren...
A) getting the virus, given my understanding that they are less likely to contract it?
B) spread the virus to other children, given my understanding that they are much less likely to transmit it and contract it?
C) spread the virus to more vulnerable populations, given high vaccination rates amongst those demographics?
D) become ill, given the (thankfully) very low documented likelihood of hospitalization rates and death?

Based upon the data it would seem as though the downside probabilities to our youth shedding their COVID masks are not dissimilar and may even be lower than those of other infectious diseases, of which we don’t prescribe the same precautionary measures.

If we’re no longer worried about Junior killing grandma or any responsible adult for that matter (assuming getting vaxxed qualifies as responsible), then what are the negative outcomes we’re looking to prevent?

And “just wait another freaking week,” doesn’t come off as very scientific.



I don’t think you’re wrong, is probabilities right? We’re currently involved in a large national study on children with a condition called multi inflammatory syndrome in children. It’s a COVID caused syndrome which can have severe, possibly fatal consequences. There are a fair number of children enrolled in the study. Overall, it’s a very low frequency occurrence, but, hey, what if it’s my kid.


I empathize with that viewpoint, Bill, and especially with someone of your credentials which far surpass mine. I've just become increasingly displeased with sliding goalposts of public health concern, what quantifies as such, and what measures we're willing to go through to minimize them. I think the utilitarian threshold has already been reached as it relates to the a good portion of the U.S.'s populations response to the virus. At this point it seems little more than symbolic and virtue-signaling.

Then there are the endless straw men we can invent to put that question of, "what if it's my kid," into context. Under similar guise of youth safety we could surely look to question any sort of automobile travel, pool ownership, etc. And ironically, youth suicide has been exacerbated by the COVID lockdowns but many seem to skate over that negative externality of the pandemic response.

The difference is that for those things you take a risk because you have to to get something done. In this case you can actively eliminate the risk. For this, you’re entirely in control.
RE: RE: Great that things...  
Chris in Philly : 6/6/2021 12:20 am : link
In comment 15280658 jpkmets said:
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In comment 15280039 Chris in Philly said:


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are beginning to get back to normal, but changing this with like a week left in the school year or whatever it is seems dumb. Just finish the year and everyone is free to do what they want...



Also huge for special Ed kids in 12 month programs. I work in special Ed law. This will make speech therapy, etc in district 75 schools easier. Their school year starts 7/2.


I understand that. My wife is a special education teacher. But the vast majority of kids have roughly a week left before they are set free for the summer. It just makes more sense to me to wait until that happens. I know this isn’t scientific enough for Dr. Burberry, but common sense would say to just let the mask rules end with the school year and then everything is back to normal when they go back. I read one parent quoted as saying this was great because now the kids can take selfies and make TikToks. I mean what are we doing here? Risk is low - not non-existent. Just finish the year out.
Mask or not mask the last week  
Lines of Scrimmage : 6/6/2021 7:10 am : link
does not seem a very big deal.

What was a big deal and this was particularly in urban environments was the virtual teaching. It will take time but the number of Kids who fell further behind (and don't recover), got caught up in bad things, etc. will be far worse than the negative outcomes that would have occurred by them being in school imo.
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