I was reading another QB ranking that said Jones has to excel this year or it should be over for him. This one from SBNation. My view is Jones has already shown enough to deserve his full four years. Then the Giants could make a decision on the fifth year option.
There are only 12 quarterbacks since 1950 that have had Daniel Jones' numbers in their first two years.
Passes Intercepted & lt;= 25 and Passing Yds & gt;= 5500 and Passing TD & gt;= 35 and Pass Completion % & gt;= 60 and Yds/Pass Att & gt;= 6.5
Of those 12 Jones has the second best rushing yards per attempt and fifth highest rushing yards.
He holds the NFL rookie record for 3 games with 4 TD passes and zero interceptions. He is tie with 3 QBs for having a rookie game record of 5 passing touchdowns.
In his second year he moved up in ranking for deep passing from 24th by PFF his rookie year to top by next gen stats in 2020. His fumbles lost dropped from 11 his rookie year to 6 in 2020.
The guy shows all the intangibles I loved about Eli - tough, fearless, hard-worker, quiet leader, competitive, team player.
Sure there are things to get better at such as the bad TD numbers last year. But Jones has shown that he will focus on an improvement and achieve it.
The one thing I want to see from Jones is to make the playoffs. But I give him his four years to do so. Sooner is better.
That SBNation writer probably would have passed on on Fran Tarkenton, Jim Plunkett, Warren Moon, Drew Brees, Troy Aikman, Steve Young and Phil Simms after three years.
That's your opinion..
Good point. I did think something about that. But it just seemed like most of the threads were this is it for Jones. I did not see much of the other view.
I am a huge Jones fan. I want to see him succeed here. But, imo, it is his job to end the conversations for the organization. He didn't do that last year. If he was able to lead us to the playoffs then the conversations about him would be completely different. He wasn't able to do that. He was also really banged up and it affected his play but he's a tough son of a bitch even going back to his days at Duke and playing through a broken collarbone or something like that. This is a huge year for Jones no matter how anyone breaks it down. That doesn't mean if he has a subpar year he is gone but it does increase the likelihood that conversations are had and a move could be made. The ball is in Jones' court now. What does he do with it?
Totally agree with this.
Passing in Herbert tells me all I need to know about how the Giants view him. Even Gettleman was head over heels about Herbert.
2. DJ was behind Eli his rookie year through camp.
3. DJ's rookie year was sensational EXCEPT for the fumbles
4. DJ's sophmore year was with a new HC and system
5. DJ's sophmore year had no training camp
6. DJ's sophmore year was played behind one of the worst if not the worst pass protecting lines in the league
7. DJ lost his only stud weapon in Barkley for part of his rookie and almost all his sophmore year
The bottom line is that this will be the first year DJ is heading into a training camp as the #1 and in a system he understands. Sure we will judge him this year cause he has less of an excuse so long as the OL is at least NFL "average" and I believe this young unit will be at least that much. It really depends upon how fast they grow and understand the OL scheme as well as their health.
I am going to say this: DJ will show us why we drafted him and have a superb season for us. The team just has to stay healthy in the key spots. He has the talent to be "more than good enough" to win you a SB. I believe in him based on his play to date behind a bad offense.
THIS. If Jones does make the playoffs then move on on a new GM and QB with the draft capital next year.
This is a prove it year for Jones, maybe not make or break, but he has to show progress or this team and coach will start to plan accordingly.
If he regresses, which I don’t believe he will, we are 100% moving on - especially with two first round picks in the upcoming draft.
I personally think Jones is going to have a monster season and will be successful here long term - at which point this conversation will be irrelevant.
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If the team only wins 6 games, it's going to be awfully hard for the Giants to retain him in the face of fan sentiment. I think he did a great job to secure our future this year as well as set us up for mid road success (I think we are talking 2022 as a SB contender).
I don't understand how this is a make or break year for Barkley unless he gets hurt again. Obviously, we don't have a crystal ball, but it's pretty well documented that the 1800 carry mark is when their play starts to fall off. It's not the age, it's the mileage. If all goes well with his recovery (and why wouldn't it based on recent ACL rehab) that gives us 4-5 years where his play is still elite. No sense in dumping him. In fact if DJ sucks (not seeing this at all, but for arguments sake) and we draft a QB next year, it gives us the backhalf of Saquon's elite play window with a QB in year 2-4 of a rookie deal (the real cap advantage).
2. DJ was behind Eli his rookie year through camp.
3. DJ's rookie year was sensational EXCEPT for the fumbles
4. DJ's sophmore year was with a new HC and system
5. DJ's sophmore year had no training camp
6. DJ's sophmore year was played behind one of the worst if not the worst pass protecting lines in the league
7. DJ lost his only stud weapon in Barkley for part of his rookie and almost all his sophmore year
The bottom line is that this will be the first year DJ is heading into a training camp as the #1 and in a system he understands. Sure we will judge him this year cause he has less of an excuse so long as the OL is at least NFL "average" and I believe this young unit will be at least that much. It really depends upon how fast they grow and understand the OL scheme as well as their health.
I am going to say this: DJ will show us why we drafted him and have a superb season for us. The team just has to stay healthy in the key spots. He has the talent to be "more than good enough" to win you a SB. I believe in him based on his play to date behind a bad offense.
Good post!
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1. DJ is drafted out of Duke and they were TERRIBLE.
2. DJ was behind Eli his rookie year through camp.
3. DJ's rookie year was sensational EXCEPT for the fumbles
4. DJ's sophmore year was with a new HC and system
5. DJ's sophmore year had no training camp
6. DJ's sophmore year was played behind one of the worst if not the worst pass protecting lines in the league
7. DJ lost his only stud weapon in Barkley for part of his rookie and almost all his sophmore year
The bottom line is that this will be the first year DJ is heading into a training camp as the #1 and in a system he understands. Sure we will judge him this year cause he has less of an excuse so long as the OL is at least NFL "average" and I believe this young unit will be at least that much. It really depends upon how fast they grow and understand the OL scheme as well as their health.
I am going to say this: DJ will show us why we drafted him and have a superb season for us. The team just has to stay healthy in the key spots. He has the talent to be "more than good enough" to win you a SB. I believe in him based on his play to date behind a bad offense.
Good post!
IIRC, when Sy evaluated Daniel Jones before the draft and was still doing player comparisons, Ryan Tannehill was the player he compared him to.
I really think some of those people, media and posters here, would rather be right than see Jones succeed.
- You think he has absolutely shown enough to even have already earned a Yr 4 and you list all the reasons why.
- However, the ONE thing you want to see from Jones is that he has to make the playoffs before end of Yr 4.
So you're tired of everybody elses's ultimatums so you decided to come up with one yourself...make the playoffs or your out DJ.
gogiants - do I have this right?
I really think some of those people, media and posters here, would rather be right than see Jones succeed.
This one never gets old...
I don't debate things well but I want to post something, so let me just tell others that their opinions/views are disingenuous.
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Focusing on his negatives while ignoring his positives, has been instigated by those who don’t like DG, and hated this pick.
I really think some of those people, media and posters here, would rather be right than see Jones succeed.
This one never gets old...
I don't debate things well but I want to post something, so let me just tell others that their opinions/views are disingenuous.
Well said Googs.
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You might be tired about hearing that talk, but it's 100% the truth.
That's your opinion..
Not really. That’s obviously what’s happening. Year 3. They got him tons of weapons. Year 3 of the rookie qb deal is where you need to major leaps forward especially when you added all these weapons on offense. They got golladay spentbig bucks and drafted another weapon in the first round. That’s a lot of assets going towards helping the QB. It’s an opinion but it’s one shared by about 99.72 percent of people who follow and cover this team.
The reason is: with a normal offseason, 2nd yr in same offense, significant addition of weapons, more experienced and coached up DJ and OL, he and the team are going to take a Giant leap forward this yr and it will be clear he's our guy.
I could be wrong, but that's what i expect (and I believe what Coach JJ expects), based on what he's already done (what you listed), his hard work, expected maturation and major impact of the added weapons.
He showed growth in certain areas last yr, by cutting down on his turnovers. This yr, he'll continue that trend, while adding a lot more TDs, etc.
Can people try to put themselves in his shoes and imagine you have 2 seconds to find an open receiver and the only one open has hands of stone (resulting in drops and INTs). That won't be the situation this yr.
A more experienced and coached up OL is also going to help DJ's perceived decision making and pocket presence.
What I'm sick of, is all anyone (especially on ESPN) talks about are the turnovers.
He still has to prove to me he can run the offense consistently and most importantly, get it done in the clutch when winning or losing is on the line. Guys like Favre and oh yeah, Eli Manning were turnover machines their whole careers. But in the clutch? they were different animals.
I love the weapons he will have now, especially assuming Barkley will be 100%. However, the OL still worries me a ton and may ultimately be Jones' undoing.
This led to him getting dinged up and that's all she wrote. If he needs his mobility to produce there is greater risk of injury.
I see the stats you posted and an article linked on this forum ranking him number one as a deep ball thrower. But, from me watching I don't see it on the screen. Jones' play thus far doesn't jump out as a guy throwing game changing bombs all over the field and leading an offense to score when it counts.
This is the very definition of a make or break year, for Barkley too.
The D is improving and hopefully the o line too. If Jones can't do it this year it will be time to go to plan B.
Again, same with Barkley.
God forbid he is running for his life every snap with no run game to support him. How do you judge that?
Having said the worst case scenario, I honestly believe this OL will be "average" at worst and our skill position players are likely going to be "average" at worst as well.
And despite average + average, well, I believe DJ will be above average and will be our QB of the future.
I still hope the Bears suck so bad this year they have a top five pick so we have a shot at a QB IF necessary but I don't think that will be the case. I honestly believe we will be solid.
The likely more relevant topic will be whether the Offense is or is not meeting a reasonable enough standard of production for the team to be a consistent winner going forward. And if not, whether Jones is one of the primary reasons behind it.
Would imagine there will be plenty of in-season debates on this, and where credit should be going if the Giants are winning or where blame will be placed if not.
The problem becomes what if DJ stinks and there's no stud QB prospect to be had in the draft. Then you're punting the decision a year (I would hope) in order to better use the draft picks, or the opportunity to strike in the 2023 draft.
I haven't had that feeling since the days when Eli had some time to throw.