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Daniel Jones’ Trainer Explains What He’s Working to Improve

Ira : 6/5/2021 11:46 am
Bobby Skinner interview.
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What I take away from this piece  
wonderback : 6/5/2021 12:07 pm : link
Is how beat up many of the players are as the season progresses. Generally we are unaware of what injuries they’re struggling with and how they impact their performance. I,e, Didn’t know Jones was struggling with foot and ankle issues as much as he apparently was.
RE: What I take away from this piece  
Big Blue '56 : 6/5/2021 12:45 pm : link
In comment 15280435 wonderback said:
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Is how beat up many of the players are as the season progresses. Generally we are unaware of what injuries they’re struggling with and how they impact their performance. I,e, Didn’t know Jones was struggling with foot and ankle issues as much as he apparently was.


It was reasonably apparent to me that he was struggling a lot..He couldn’t move until the season finale and even then, he wasn’t close to what he was prior to injury, imo
Foot and ankle injuries  
Bill in UT : 6/5/2021 12:47 pm : link
don't make you fumble
RE: Foot and ankle injuries  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/5/2021 12:48 pm : link
In comment 15280454 Bill in UT said:
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don't make you fumble


Sudden high pain levels can definitely make you fumble.
RE: Foot and ankle injuries  
Bill in UT : 6/5/2021 12:49 pm : link
In comment 15280454 Bill in UT said:
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don't make you fumble


Maybe they'll make you a little bit more of a target, but you still have to be able to hang on to the ball when you're hit
RE: Foot and ankle injuries  
robbieballs2003 : 6/5/2021 12:51 pm : link
In comment 15280454 Bill in UT said:
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don't make you fumble


Was fumbling a big issue last year compared to others? Or are we just besting him up from his rookie year?
Beating  
robbieballs2003 : 6/5/2021 12:51 pm : link
Not besting
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christian : 6/5/2021 12:52 pm : link
In retrospect it’s ridiculous Judge put Jones out there for the Cards game.

Jones got beat like a piñata, and clearly couldn’t get out of the way.
Yeah, it really was.  
Jimmy Googs : 6/5/2021 12:58 pm : link
BTW, it is not out of realm of possibility that Judge overrates Daniel Jones and what he is capable of...
RE: RE: Foot and ankle injuries  
Big Blue '56 : 6/5/2021 1:13 pm : link
In comment 15280457 robbieballs2003 said:
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don't make you fumble



Was fumbling a big issue last year compared to others? Or are we just besting him up from his rookie year?


Interesting how Josh Allen had 14 fumbles his second year. Rarely mentioned. Then he had his breakout year this past season with a better cast of performers..Just sayin’, nothing more as it doesn’t guarantee anything for DJ in year 3
Yes, I agree ...  
Manny in CA : 6/5/2021 1:18 pm : link

Sometimes a coach's responsibility is to protect a player from himself. McCoy was not a great option, but a gimpy Jones; "doesn't take a rocket scientist" to understand that wasn't going to work.
RE: RE: RE: Foot and ankle injuries  
christian : 6/5/2021 2:27 pm : link
In comment 15280466 Big Blue '56 said:
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Interesting how Josh Allen had 14 fumbles his second year. Rarely mentioned. Then he had his breakout year this past season with a better cast of performers..Just sayin’, nothing more as it doesn’t guarantee anything for DJ in year 3


Two reasons, one fair and one not:

1) Allen had a more productive season in his 2nd year -- more total TDs, more first downs, more wins

2) Allen only lost 4 of the fumbles, which is a bit of luck

Allen had 29 total TDS and 13 total turnovers. Jones had 12 total TDs and 16 total turnovers.

If you're going to be risky with the ball, you have to score a lot of TDs to make up for it.
Fair enough,  
Big Blue '56 : 6/5/2021 2:48 pm : link
but I believe Allen played all 16 games (still would have been more productive I believe) whereas DJ didn’t. Allen was healthy, DJ for 4-5 games(?) was hobbled. Allen had better receivers and a running game.

Again, agree, JA by any metric had the better 2nd year and really took a leap in year 3..I expect (who the hell can say for sure) DJ with reasonable protection, healthy legs, much better receiving corps and hopefully a back to normal SB to take a big leap as well, imo
Josh Allen Has an OL  
Samiam : 6/5/2021 2:59 pm : link
Like in much better than what Daniel Jones has. Makes a big difference
and for the 1 billionth time  
Dave on the UWS : 6/5/2021 3:12 pm : link
are turnovers the ONLY thing that has importance. Then Brett Favre and Eli Manning should have been drummed out of the league in short order as they were wicked turnover machines.
Let compare Allen's rookie year with Jones, since you guys want to cherry pick stats.
I'm only interested what Jones does this year. If he still can't deliver in the clutch and make the offense work, then you go another direction. The turnovers are only ONE part of the issue, not the entire issue.
RE: Fair enough,  
christian : 6/5/2021 3:52 pm : link
In comment 15280499 Big Blue '56 said:
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Again, agree, JA by any metric had the better 2nd year and really took a leap in year 3..I expect (who the hell can say for sure) DJ with reasonable protection, healthy legs, much better receiving corps and hopefully a back to normal SB to take a big leap as well, imo


If I look at the spectrum of likely outcomes I’d rate them like this:

1) The Giants added 2 WRs in Golladay and Toney with demonstrable physical advantages, and receiving core will very likely be much better

2) Jones in his 2nd year in the system, with an offseason, will be better prepared and likely be better

3) No one should be surprised if Barkley comes out slow like Dalvin Cook after his ACL surgery, and it’s a coin flip if he’s back to normal this season

4) The Giants are betting Peart, Lemieux, and Hernandez all elevate their play, which I believe is a low odds outcome
RE: What I take away from this piece  
81_Great_Dane : 6/5/2021 4:27 pm : link
In comment 15280435 wonderback said:
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Is how beat up many of the players are as the season progresses. Generally we are unaware of what injuries they’re struggling with and how they impact their performance. I,e, Didn’t know Jones was struggling with foot and ankle issues as much as he apparently was.
I think fans generally don't understand this. Playing an NFL game has been compared with being in a car wreck. You get in a car wreck on Sunday, patch yourself up, then go out and get in another car wreck the next Sunday. Or sometimes Thursday.

These guys are playing football at a high level with "dings" that would put most of us on crutches or in bed for weeks. And a lot of the time, those dings are kept quiet. The Giants kept Andrew Thomas's foot injury quiet until he got surgery; meanwhile we fans were freaking out about his awful footwork. That kind of thing is fairly common.
RE: RE: RE: Foot and ankle injuries  
santacruzom : 6/5/2021 10:35 pm : link
In comment 15280466 Big Blue '56 said:
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don't make you fumble



Was fumbling a big issue last year compared to others? Or are we just besting him up from his rookie year?



Interesting how Josh Allen had 14 fumbles his second year. Rarely mentioned. Then he had his breakout year this past season with a better cast of performers..Just sayin’, nothing more as it doesn’t guarantee anything for DJ in year 3


I've seen plenty mention of it here.

But I'm not sure how many of those fumbles were of the same nature as Jones' were. How many times did Allen fumble while scrambling vs being sacked in the pocket by someone he apparently didn't see, or even just slightly intuit?
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Go Terps : 6/5/2021 10:45 pm : link
Only on BBI would Jones be compared to the likes of Allen and Lamar Jackson. Those guys are legit 2021 MVP candidates while Jones is playing for his job.
RE: Foot and ankle injuries  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 6/5/2021 10:45 pm : link
In comment 15280454 Bill in UT said:
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don't make you fumble


Of course, they can and do.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Foot and ankle injuries  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 6/5/2021 10:47 pm : link
In comment 15280491 christian said:
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Interesting how Josh Allen had 14 fumbles his second year. Rarely mentioned. Then he had his breakout year this past season with a better cast of performers..Just sayin’, nothing more as it doesn’t guarantee anything for DJ in year 3



Two reasons, one fair and one not:

1) Allen had a more productive season in his 2nd year -- more total TDs, more first downs, more wins

2) Allen only lost 4 of the fumbles, which is a bit of luck

Allen had 29 total TDS and 13 total turnovers. Jones had 12 total TDs and 16 total turnovers.

If you're going to be risky with the ball, you have to score a lot of TDs to make up for it.


Allen also had some professional receivers.
RE: What I take away from this piece  
giantstock : 6/5/2021 11:28 pm : link
In comment 15280435 wonderback said:
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Is how beat up many of the players are as the season progresses. Generally we are unaware of what injuries they’re struggling with and how they impact their performance. I,e, Didn’t know Jones was struggling with foot and ankle issues as much as he apparently was.


This is why in part I don't want giving Jones very many designed runs. He gets beat up enough because of his OL and because they give him designed runs - he takes extra hits.

Keep him in the pocket often- and let him make quick throws. He's not "Mahomes." When things move Jones gets more flustered.

RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Foot and ankle injuries  
TheOtherManning : 6/5/2021 11:50 pm : link
In comment 15280715 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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In comment 15280466 Big Blue '56 said:


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Interesting how Josh Allen had 14 fumbles his second year. Rarely mentioned. Then he had his breakout year this past season with a better cast of performers..Just sayin’, nothing more as it doesn’t guarantee anything for DJ in year 3



Two reasons, one fair and one not:

1) Allen had a more productive season in his 2nd year -- more total TDs, more first downs, more wins

2) Allen only lost 4 of the fumbles, which is a bit of luck

Allen had 29 total TDS and 13 total turnovers. Jones had 12 total TDs and 16 total turnovers.

If you're going to be risky with the ball, you have to score a lot of TDs to make up for it.



Allen also had some professional receivers.


The 2019 Buffalo Bills' top 5 targeted players: John Brown, Cole Beasley, Dawson Knox, Devin Singletary, and Isaiah McKenzie.

Not exactly a murderer's row. That's why they went out and traded 4 picks for Stefon Diggs.
RE: .  
Tuckrule : 6/6/2021 9:43 am : link
In comment 15280710 Go Terps said:
[quote] Only on BBI would Jones be compared to the likes of Allen and Lamar Jackson. Those guys are legit 2021 MVP candidates while Jones is playing for his job. [/quote

You are a painful poster. You ignore the fact our line is garbage. Totally garbage. Our skill guys we easily the second worst in the entire league behind only the jets. Take a look at this write up from PFF has our line ranked 31 last year. Let’s also add in the fact jones was very banged up and in hindsight should not have played.

31. NEW YORK GIANTS

With one year in the books, the Giants can’t be feeling good about their decision to take Andrew Thomas as the first tackle off the board in last year’s draft, given the season he had compared to the tackles selected after him. Thomas allowed 57 pressures at left tackle this season, 14 more than any other player at the position. He was the only player at the position to be charged with 10 sacks allowed, as well.

As you could guess for a team coming in at second to last on this list, Thomas wasn’t the only problem up front for the Giants. Shane Lemieux and Will Hernandez both allowed pressure rates of at least 8% at left guard, while Cameron Fleming — filling in for the opted-out Nate Solder — allowed the sixth most pressures in the league at the right tackle position.


I’d love to josh Allen, Lamar even Aaron Rodgers behind this offensive line.
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