If he was, he wouldn’t have been subject to daily testing.
So not getting vaccinated cost him over a million bucks
Wouldn’t be a million, but I’ll bet he’s rethinking that decision now. Just can’t understand the logic behind not getting it, especially in a sport where you get paid by performance.
RE: RE: Isn't social distancing sort of built into golf?
So, perhaps he has to go without a caddie. What's the big deal? Why can't he continue to play?
It is an outdoors activity.
Agreed, total bullshit.
No, not bullshit. He could have easily prevented this. But he didnt. And there are consequences. Gonna cost him some money. Thems the breaks...boo effin hoo.
Exactly. The players can choose the extremely safe vaccine that dramatically cuts down the risk to everyone or go throw a testing protocol, and sit out for a positive, to cut down the risk to everyone.
The vaccines are not, and do not claim to be, 100% effective at preventing infection. I think the mRNA vaccines are claiming 95% effectiveness, which means he would have a 1/20 chance of infection. 1/20 is pretty good, but it's not zero.
These vaccines do claim to be, and are, close to 100% effective at preventing severe illness. A small % of people who vaccinated will get the virus. Some of the vaccinated people who get the virus will get sick. A small % of those will get very sick. Presumably, if hundreds of millions or billions of people get the vaccine, some of those will die of Covid-19.
Guy may have been vaccinated and just had some shitty luck.
Exactly. The players can choose the extremely safe vaccine that dramatically cuts down the risk to everyone or go throw a testing protocol, and sit out for a positive, to cut down the risk to everyone.
+1.
RE: I remember the days when you actually had to have symptoms
I grew up in the you had to have physical evidence (puke,fever,etc.) to miss school. Now it’s anyone at any given time can be positive and then it’s a crap shoot on whether you’re really sick or perfectly fine
RE: RE: I remember the days when you actually had to have symptoms
I grew up in the you had to have physical evidence (puke,fever,etc.) to miss school. Now it’s anyone at any given time can be positive and then it’s a crap shoot on whether you’re really sick or perfectly fine
Winner's purse for this tourney is $1.67M, and with a 6-shot lead, he had that all but in the bank. If, as has been reported, he failed to get vaccinated until getting exposed earlier this week, he has no one but himself to blame. Not even the least bit sorry for him. (If he chose to get vaccinated and tested positive anyway, THEN I feel bad for him.)
should take care to avoid being indoors for an extended period of time with very sick old people who are for some reason still unvaccinated, if they are symptomatic
playing in a golf tournament (distanced, outdoors) would an extremely extremely safe activity (especially because every fan/attendee who wants to be vaccinated certainly could be by now) even if he weren’t completely asymptomatic. they should disclose that he is positive and allow anyone concerned to steer clear of being within close distance of him for an extended period of time indoors if they are unvaccinated.
The PGA policy on this had been made clear to all golfers:
if you are fully vaxed, you are not subject to testing even if exposed. If you decided NOT to get fully vaxed and have a potential exposure, you are subject to daily testing. If you thereafter test positive, you have to withdraw and quarantine.
Rahm and every other golfer knew this before they even stepped on the course this week. This is not something that just happened today and the PGA had to make a decision on the spot how to deal with it.
should take care to avoid being indoors for an extended period of time with very sick old people who are for some reason still unvaccinated, if they are symptomatic
playing in a golf tournament (distanced, outdoors) would an extremely extremely safe activity (especially because every fan/attendee who wants to be vaccinated certainly could be by now) even if he weren’t completely asymptomatic. they should disclose that he is positive and allow anyone concerned to steer clear of being within close distance of him for an extended period of time indoors if they are unvaccinated.
they should disclose that he is positive and allow anyone concerned to steer clear of being within close distance of him for an extended period of time indoors if they are unvaccinated.
No, they shouldn't. They could make that the policy. But as many others in this thread have pointed out, they didn't, and Rahm and everyone else knows the policy. If someone thinks the policy doesn't make sense, so be it. But until it's changed, everyone knows the deal, and he willingly took the risk of not being able to continue playing. Unfortunately for him, that risk didn't work out. But that's the choice he made.
If he was, he wouldn’t have been subject to daily testing.
So not getting vaccinated cost him over a million bucks
Wouldn’t be a million, but I’ll bet he’s rethinking that decision now. Just can’t understand the logic behind not getting it, especially in a sport where you get paid by performance.
1. 1st place finish would've been $2.2 million.
2. They said earlier, during coverage, that he was exposed to an infected person on Monday, did the right thing and let officials know, and that's why he has been subjected to daily testing. Nobody knows if he's been vaccinated...vaccinated people can still test positive.
If he was, he wouldn’t have been subject to daily testing.
So not getting vaccinated cost him over a million bucks
This is a ridiculously myopic and judgmental position to take, but sadly, there are many who share your view.
Uh…. No.
Everything jlukes said is fact.
I understand what he stated was fact. I probably read between the lines more than I should have.
It s become a sensitive issue with me , people judging those who have chosen not to be vaccinated, I choose to be vaccinated, but understand the personal liberty of those choosing not to.
Jukes is a good poster, my apologies, read his post during a moment of irritation and overreacted.
players will go out and get vaccinated now? How many athletes? Missing out on the $2 mill is rough. Missing winning Jack's Tournament means more. At his level, winning a prestigious event is more important then the money. These guys have the money (of course his caddie just lost about $200k, so that hurts.) Not getting that handshake from Jack will hurt him more than anything.
While I do agree it should be an individual's choice and in some cases medical conditions would warrant avoiding vaccination, the prudent decision is to get the vaccine.
I like Rahm. Did not speak any English before attending ASU. Now barely has an accent. He even exhorts himself in English. I love his fire.
Hope he stays asymptomatic.
If he was, he wouldn’t have been subject to daily testing.
So not getting vaccinated cost him over a million bucks
Wouldn’t be a million, but I’ll bet he’s rethinking that decision now. Just can’t understand the logic behind not getting it, especially in a sport where you get paid by performance.
1. 1st place finish would've been $2.2 million.
2. They said earlier, during coverage, that he was exposed to an infected person on Monday, did the right thing and let officials know, and that's why he has been subjected to daily testing. Nobody knows if he's been vaccinated...vaccinated people can still test positive.
Per PGA Tour policy, vaccinated players are not subject to testing, even if they were exposed to COVID. Rahm was being tested daily since being expose. Therefore, we was not vaccinated
Well, if not vaccinated Rahm appears to have made his own choices
Too bad for him as he is such a great player right now. Hopefully he is able to get past this without any health issues and gets back on the course soon.
At least the tournament will be a bit more exciting to watch on Sunday as Rahm was likely heading towards an easy win...
which is protocol for those that are not vaccinated. If he were vaccinated, he would have not had to be tested daily. So, looking at it logically, he is not vaccinated, or not vaccinated at the time he was exposed.
He was well aware of the PGA protocol and CHOSE to not be vaccinated. A costly decision, but HIS decision.
RE: I remember the days when you actually had to have symptoms
should take care to avoid being indoors for an extended period of time with very sick old people who are for some reason still unvaccinated, if they are symptomatic
playing in a golf tournament (distanced, outdoors) would an extremely extremely safe activity (especially because every fan/attendee who wants to be vaccinated certainly could be by now) even if he weren’t completely asymptomatic. they should disclose that he is positive and allow anyone concerned to steer clear of being within close distance of him for an extended period of time indoors if they are unvaccinated.
It's because of people like you, not taking the pandemic seriously, that there are 600,000 dead Americans. Not all of those who died were "indoors for an extended period of time with very sick old people".
should take care to avoid being indoors for an extended period of time with very sick old people who are for some reason still unvaccinated, if they are symptomatic
playing in a golf tournament (distanced, outdoors) would an extremely extremely safe activity (especially because every fan/attendee who wants to be vaccinated certainly could be by now) even if he weren’t completely asymptomatic. they should disclose that he is positive and allow anyone concerned to steer clear of being within close distance of him for an extended period of time indoors if they are unvaccinated.
It's because of people like you, not taking the pandemic seriously, that there are 600,000 dead Americans. Not all of those who died were "indoors for an extended period of time with very sick old people".
I'll bet the vast majority were indoors. But since the vast majority were old and sick, I would say very few people, probably miniscule, caught it outdoors.
I know of no one that I know who did get sick caught it outside, In fact, every single one was at an indoor function and every single on was over 70.
I'll bet the vast majority were indoors. But since the vast majority were old and sick, I would say very few people, probably miniscule, caught it outdoors.
I know of no one that I know who did get sick caught it outside, In fact, every single one was at an indoor function and every single on was over 70.
No doubt, the vast majority were indoors, not necessarily for an "extended period of time" though. And not from being within 6 feet of an infected person for that time. Millions of people under 70 have caught it, tens of thousands of them have died, and countless of them have spread it to others who have died.
It's the people who wanted things to get back to normal, who weren't taking proper precautions, who were pushing to reopen the economy that made the pandemic so bad and made it last so long.
Here we are 15 months later and there are still people saying someone who is known to be COVID positive should be allowed to continue to play in a golf tournament.... He knew the risks and PGA rules and opted not to get vaccinated and likely wasn't following proper precautions. The consequences are entirely on him.
I'll bet the vast majority were indoors. But since the vast majority were old and sick, I would say very few people, probably miniscule, caught it outdoors.
I know of no one that I know who did get sick caught it outside, In fact, every single one was at an indoor function and every single on was over 70.
No doubt, the vast majority were indoors, not necessarily for an "extended period of time" though. And not from being within 6 feet of an infected person for that time. Millions of people under 70 have caught it, tens of thousands of them have died, and countless of them have spread it to others who have died.
It's the people who wanted things to get back to normal, who weren't taking proper precautions, who were pushing to reopen the economy that made the pandemic so bad and made it last so long.
Here we are 15 months later and there are still people saying someone who is known to be COVID positive should be allowed to continue to play in a golf tournament.... He knew the risks and PGA rules and opted not to get vaccinated and likely wasn't following proper precautions. The consequences are entirely on him.
I do not disagree that he chose to not get it and by rule he is DQ'd. And yes I agree he should not be allowed to participate as per PGATour rules. Rules are rules and these guys are mostly college grads. There is no need to put other people, some who may not be able to be vaccinated, at risk. Players, caddies, officials or patrons.
And as we have all seen, ala Gleyber Torres, whether you had Covid or got the vaccine, given the right variant, you can still get it.
such a political subject (;shouldn’t be) , we can tell the leanings of some on this thread. Here’s the bottom line. What if YOU were his playing partner, and he was allowed for an entire round to be up close and personal, risking YOUR health. Any sane person should have a problem with that. Since the guys running the tournament can’t be relied upon to manage correctly (they should have pulled Rahm the second they knew), it’s up to the players to insist ALL players are vaccinated, or they don’t get to play.
I grew up in the you had to have physical evidence (puke,fever,etc.) to miss school. Now it’s anyone at any given time can be positive and then it’s a crap shoot on whether you’re really sick or perfectly fine
And the problem is, even if you are perfectly "fine" you can still infect others.
the number of stupid comments on these threads are diminishing.
However, there are still fools who think it is perfectly fine if known sick people go out in public around other people as long as they are outside and/or socially distance.
And folks who don't comprehend that there are serious health risks to covid positive people who don't die.
I grew up in the you had to have physical evidence (puke,fever,etc.) to miss school. Now it’s anyone at any given time can be positive and then it’s a crap shoot on whether you’re really sick or perfectly fine
And the problem is, even if you are perfectly "fine" you can still infect others.
unless your vaxed then according to the cdc you cant infect others if you by some chance get the virus
I like Rahm. This really blows.
It is an outdoors activity.
So not getting vaccinated cost him over a million bucks
It is an outdoors activity.
Agreed, total bullshit.
So not getting vaccinated cost him over a million bucks
Wouldn’t be a million, but I’ll bet he’s rethinking that decision now. Just can’t understand the logic behind not getting it, especially in a sport where you get paid by performance.
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So, perhaps he has to go without a caddie. What's the big deal? Why can't he continue to play?
It is an outdoors activity.
Agreed, total bullshit.
No, not bullshit. He could have easily prevented this. But he didnt. And there are consequences. Gonna cost him some money. Thems the breaks...boo effin hoo.
So not getting vaccinated cost him over a million bucks
This is a ridiculously myopic and judgmental position to take, but sadly, there are many who share your view.
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If he was, he wouldn’t have been subject to daily testing.
So not getting vaccinated cost him over a million bucks
This is a ridiculously myopic and judgmental position to take, but sadly, there are many who share your view.
What part of that view is not objective fact?
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If he was, he wouldn’t have been subject to daily testing.
So not getting vaccinated cost him over a million bucks
This is a ridiculously myopic and judgmental position to take, but sadly, there are many who share your view.
Holy over reaction
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If he was, he wouldn’t have been subject to daily testing.
So not getting vaccinated cost him over a million bucks
This is a ridiculously myopic and judgmental position to take, but sadly, there are many who share your view.
Uh…. No.
Everything jlukes said is fact.
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If he was, he wouldn’t have been subject to daily testing.
So not getting vaccinated cost him over a million bucks
This is a ridiculously myopic and judgmental position to take, but sadly, there are many who share your view.
This is a ridiculously myopic and judgmental position to take, but sadly, there are many who share your view.
These vaccines do claim to be, and are, close to 100% effective at preventing severe illness. A small % of people who vaccinated will get the virus. Some of the vaccinated people who get the virus will get sick. A small % of those will get very sick. Presumably, if hundreds of millions or billions of people get the vaccine, some of those will die of Covid-19.
Guy may have been vaccinated and just had some shitty luck.
+1.
I grew up in the you had to have physical evidence (puke,fever,etc.) to miss school. Now it’s anyone at any given time can be positive and then it’s a crap shoot on whether you’re really sick or perfectly fine
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To be sick.
I grew up in the you had to have physical evidence (puke,fever,etc.) to miss school. Now it’s anyone at any given time can be positive and then it’s a crap shoot on whether you’re really sick or perfectly fine
yea were not in a pandemic or anything
playing in a golf tournament (distanced, outdoors) would an extremely extremely safe activity (especially because every fan/attendee who wants to be vaccinated certainly could be by now) even if he weren’t completely asymptomatic. they should disclose that he is positive and allow anyone concerned to steer clear of being within close distance of him for an extended period of time indoors if they are unvaccinated.
Rahm and every other golfer knew this before they even stepped on the course this week. This is not something that just happened today and the PGA had to make a decision on the spot how to deal with it.
playing in a golf tournament (distanced, outdoors) would an extremely extremely safe activity (especially because every fan/attendee who wants to be vaccinated certainly could be by now) even if he weren’t completely asymptomatic. they should disclose that he is positive and allow anyone concerned to steer clear of being within close distance of him for an extended period of time indoors if they are unvaccinated.
Well said, completely agree.
No, they shouldn't. They could make that the policy. But as many others in this thread have pointed out, they didn't, and Rahm and everyone else knows the policy. If someone thinks the policy doesn't make sense, so be it. But until it's changed, everyone knows the deal, and he willingly took the risk of not being able to continue playing. Unfortunately for him, that risk didn't work out. But that's the choice he made.
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If he was, he wouldn’t have been subject to daily testing.
So not getting vaccinated cost him over a million bucks
This is a ridiculously myopic and judgmental position to take, but sadly, there are many who share your view.
I don't think myopic means what you think it means, lol.
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If he was, he wouldn’t have been subject to daily testing.
So not getting vaccinated cost him over a million bucks
Wouldn’t be a million, but I’ll bet he’s rethinking that decision now. Just can’t understand the logic behind not getting it, especially in a sport where you get paid by performance.
1. 1st place finish would've been $2.2 million.
2. They said earlier, during coverage, that he was exposed to an infected person on Monday, did the right thing and let officials know, and that's why he has been subjected to daily testing. Nobody knows if he's been vaccinated...vaccinated people can still test positive.
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If he was, he wouldn’t have been subject to daily testing.
So not getting vaccinated cost him over a million bucks
This is a ridiculously myopic and judgmental position to take, but sadly, there are many who share your view.
What's the sad view here joeinpa?
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If he was, he wouldn’t have been subject to daily testing.
So not getting vaccinated cost him over a million bucks
This is a ridiculously myopic and judgmental position to take, but sadly, there are many who share your view.
Uh…. No.
Everything jlukes said is fact.
I understand what he stated was fact. I probably read between the lines more than I should have.
It s become a sensitive issue with me , people judging those who have chosen not to be vaccinated, I choose to be vaccinated, but understand the personal liberty of those choosing not to.
Jukes is a good poster, my apologies, read his post during a moment of irritation and overreacted.
While I do agree it should be an individual's choice and in some cases medical conditions would warrant avoiding vaccination, the prudent decision is to get the vaccine.
I like Rahm. Did not speak any English before attending ASU. Now barely has an accent. He even exhorts himself in English. I love his fire.
Hope he stays asymptomatic.
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If he was, he wouldn’t have been subject to daily testing.
So not getting vaccinated cost him over a million bucks
Wouldn’t be a million, but I’ll bet he’s rethinking that decision now. Just can’t understand the logic behind not getting it, especially in a sport where you get paid by performance.
1. 1st place finish would've been $2.2 million.
2. They said earlier, during coverage, that he was exposed to an infected person on Monday, did the right thing and let officials know, and that's why he has been subjected to daily testing. Nobody knows if he's been vaccinated...vaccinated people can still test positive.
Per PGA Tour policy, vaccinated players are not subject to testing, even if they were exposed to COVID. Rahm was being tested daily since being expose. Therefore, we was not vaccinated
Too bad for him as he is such a great player right now. Hopefully he is able to get past this without any health issues and gets back on the course soon.
At least the tournament will be a bit more exciting to watch on Sunday as Rahm was likely heading towards an easy win...
He was well aware of the PGA protocol and CHOSE to not be vaccinated. A costly decision, but HIS decision.
And I for one am glad we no longer always have to wait for symptoms to know you have a disease.
playing in a golf tournament (distanced, outdoors) would an extremely extremely safe activity (especially because every fan/attendee who wants to be vaccinated certainly could be by now) even if he weren’t completely asymptomatic. they should disclose that he is positive and allow anyone concerned to steer clear of being within close distance of him for an extended period of time indoors if they are unvaccinated.
It's because of people like you, not taking the pandemic seriously, that there are 600,000 dead Americans. Not all of those who died were "indoors for an extended period of time with very sick old people".
+1.
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should take care to avoid being indoors for an extended period of time with very sick old people who are for some reason still unvaccinated, if they are symptomatic
playing in a golf tournament (distanced, outdoors) would an extremely extremely safe activity (especially because every fan/attendee who wants to be vaccinated certainly could be by now) even if he weren’t completely asymptomatic. they should disclose that he is positive and allow anyone concerned to steer clear of being within close distance of him for an extended period of time indoors if they are unvaccinated.
It's because of people like you, not taking the pandemic seriously, that there are 600,000 dead Americans. Not all of those who died were "indoors for an extended period of time with very sick old people".
I'll bet the vast majority were indoors. But since the vast majority were old and sick, I would say very few people, probably miniscule, caught it outdoors.
I know of no one that I know who did get sick caught it outside, In fact, every single one was at an indoor function and every single on was over 70.
I'll bet the vast majority were indoors. But since the vast majority were old and sick, I would say very few people, probably miniscule, caught it outdoors.
I know of no one that I know who did get sick caught it outside, In fact, every single one was at an indoor function and every single on was over 70.
No doubt, the vast majority were indoors, not necessarily for an "extended period of time" though. And not from being within 6 feet of an infected person for that time. Millions of people under 70 have caught it, tens of thousands of them have died, and countless of them have spread it to others who have died.
It's the people who wanted things to get back to normal, who weren't taking proper precautions, who were pushing to reopen the economy that made the pandemic so bad and made it last so long.
Here we are 15 months later and there are still people saying someone who is known to be COVID positive should be allowed to continue to play in a golf tournament.... He knew the risks and PGA rules and opted not to get vaccinated and likely wasn't following proper precautions. The consequences are entirely on him.
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I'll bet the vast majority were indoors. But since the vast majority were old and sick, I would say very few people, probably miniscule, caught it outdoors.
I know of no one that I know who did get sick caught it outside, In fact, every single one was at an indoor function and every single on was over 70.
No doubt, the vast majority were indoors, not necessarily for an "extended period of time" though. And not from being within 6 feet of an infected person for that time. Millions of people under 70 have caught it, tens of thousands of them have died, and countless of them have spread it to others who have died.
It's the people who wanted things to get back to normal, who weren't taking proper precautions, who were pushing to reopen the economy that made the pandemic so bad and made it last so long.
Here we are 15 months later and there are still people saying someone who is known to be COVID positive should be allowed to continue to play in a golf tournament.... He knew the risks and PGA rules and opted not to get vaccinated and likely wasn't following proper precautions. The consequences are entirely on him.
I do not disagree that he chose to not get it and by rule he is DQ'd. And yes I agree he should not be allowed to participate as per PGATour rules. Rules are rules and these guys are mostly college grads. There is no need to put other people, some who may not be able to be vaccinated, at risk. Players, caddies, officials or patrons.
And as we have all seen, ala Gleyber Torres, whether you had Covid or got the vaccine, given the right variant, you can still get it.
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If he was, he wouldn’t have been subject to daily testing.
So not getting vaccinated cost him over a million bucks
This is a ridiculously myopic and judgmental position to take, but sadly, there are many who share your view.
I don't think myopic means what you think it means, lol.
Pretty certain I do. Maybe you don’t?
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To be sick.
I grew up in the you had to have physical evidence (puke,fever,etc.) to miss school. Now it’s anyone at any given time can be positive and then it’s a crap shoot on whether you’re really sick or perfectly fine
And the problem is, even if you are perfectly "fine" you can still infect others.
However, there are still fools who think it is perfectly fine if known sick people go out in public around other people as long as they are outside and/or socially distance.
And folks who don't comprehend that there are serious health risks to covid positive people who don't die.
English is his second language, he mixed up strokes with feet
Well played.
Hopefully, care and intelligence continues to defeat more and more of these types of occurrences.
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To be sick.
I grew up in the you had to have physical evidence (puke,fever,etc.) to miss school. Now it’s anyone at any given time can be positive and then it’s a crap shoot on whether you’re really sick or perfectly fine
And the problem is, even if you are perfectly "fine" you can still infect others.
unless your vaxed then according to the cdc you cant infect others if you by some chance get the virus