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NFT: Giancarlo Stanton

Bricktop : 6/5/2021 10:55 pm
He made $79,452 today. How much did you make? And Aaron Poon said he hit the ball hard to 3rd base, so things are looking up.

He's hitting 087 in the last week. And 170 in two weeks.

He's a full time DH who needs days off so he doesn't get a boo boo.

If that isn't an indictment on Brian Cashman and the front office, I don't know what it is at this point.

Sorry to start a new thread, but this philosophy that the Yankees have instituted - analytics, launch angle, HRs, huge contracts to players with injury history, deploying yes men in the dugout, absurd loyalty to a GM who hasn't won shit in over a decade, and employing a Fucking Chickenhawk do-boy to manage the team is ruining our team.
Billy Martin  
Chip : 6/5/2021 11:02 pm : link
Can you imagine what he would be thinking right now.
Hey, it's okay. Marlins are paying for some of his contract, so only  
Jim in Hoboken : 6/5/2021 11:10 pm : link
like 85% of his sucktitude is on us. And don't worry that he's hurt every 5th game during his prime years, all of his injuries are freak injuries because they are on muscles even physicians have never heard of. Or from him bench pressing Adriana Lima...

Get him and Sanchez off the team, maybe the attitude of the team would improve.
Weren’t most fans happy with trade when it happened  
steve in ky : 6/5/2021 11:26 pm : link
Or am I remembering that wrong?
RE: Weren’t most fans happy with trade when it happened  
Bricktop : 6/5/2021 11:48 pm : link
In comment 15280737 steve in ky said:
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Or am I remembering that wrong?


No.
I just can't get good with the idea that K's don't matter...  
sb from NYT Forum : 6/6/2021 12:33 am : link
...throw me all the numbers you want, but basically Dave Kingman would be a $250,000,000 player in this era.

What the hell does that say?!?
It's not just Stanton  
Crazed Dogs : 6/6/2021 7:38 am : link
It is the whole team... 6 hits yesterday and 3 runs....pathetic. I keep waiting for that game that the team breaks out of the team hitting slump and the players start hitting like the stats they have on the back of their baseball card.
I for one hated that trade  
JoeyBigBlue : 6/6/2021 8:02 am : link
For the life of me I could not understand why the Yankees would traded for a guy that was so similar to Judge. I guess they were enamored with this 59 Home Run season.
For some perspective  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2021 8:07 am : link
if someone has a salary of $250,000 they would make ~ $961 dollars per day (with a 5 day work week and an 8 hour day for math purposes). Before taxes, health insurance, retirement, etc.).

Not comparing the average working person to a professional athlete, but that difference in staggering.

$80,000 per day?
RE: For some perspective  
adamg : 6/6/2021 8:28 am : link
In comment 15280798 pjcas18 said:
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if someone has a salary of $250,000 they would make ~ $961 dollars per day (with a 5 day work week and an 8 hour day for math purposes). Before taxes, health insurance, retirement, etc.).

Not comparing the average working person to a professional athlete, but that difference in staggering.

$80,000 per day?


A $250,000 salary is well above average.
Steve,  
Giant John : 6/6/2021 8:29 am : link
Most fans thought we were getting a player that was going to play often and well. That’s not happened so I would expect those same fans to be disappointed. So much promise and so little delivered.
This is why the NFL is better  
give66 : 6/6/2021 8:33 am : link
You can cut guys like this.
RE: RE: For some perspective  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2021 8:52 am : link
In comment 15280802 adamg said:
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if someone has a salary of $250,000 they would make ~ $961 dollars per day (with a 5 day work week and an 8 hour day for math purposes). Before taxes, health insurance, retirement, etc.).

Not comparing the average working person to a professional athlete, but that difference in staggering.

$80,000 per day?



A $250,000 salary is well above average.


Yes it is.
It's not even the first time Cashman has done this  
arniefez : 6/6/2021 9:01 am : link
The Yankees had a better player at Stanton's position that cost a fraction of the money in Judge.

Just like they had a better player at Ellsbury's position for a fraction of the cost in Gardner.

The Yankees have reached the point where the best thing that could happen for their fans is a catastrophically bad season by NYY standards that forces ownership to make total house cleaning changes at every level of the baseball operation.

RE: RE: For some perspective  
Dave in PA : 6/6/2021 9:06 am : link
In comment 15280802 adamg said:
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In comment 15280798 pjcas18 said:


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if someone has a salary of $250,000 they would make ~ $961 dollars per day (with a 5 day work week and an 8 hour day for math purposes). Before taxes, health insurance, retirement, etc.).

Not comparing the average working person to a professional athlete, but that difference in staggering.

$80,000 per day?



A $250,000 salary is well above average.
Yea I’d like to find some of this average employment he’s talking about
RE: RE: RE: For some perspective  
section125 : 6/6/2021 9:13 am : link
In comment 15280819 Dave in PA said:
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In comment 15280798 pjcas18 said:


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if someone has a salary of $250,000 they would make ~ $961 dollars per day (with a 5 day work week and an 8 hour day for math purposes). Before taxes, health insurance, retirement, etc.).

Not comparing the average working person to a professional athlete, but that difference in staggering.

$80,000 per day?



A $250,000 salary is well above average.

Yea I’d like to find some of this average employment he’s talking about


Believe $250 k is upper 4% range...FWIW
Sorry  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2021 9:18 am : link
I will clarify, I didn't mean 250k was average salary for an working professional, I meant I wasn't comparing the average corporate working person to a professional athlete who possesses skills 99.9% of the population doesn't possess. Of course the pay will be at some level commensurate with the uniqueness of the skill the athlete offers.

My point was only to show the perspective of what a 250k salary was in "per day" terms so the $$$ delta was clear.
RE: I just can't get good with the idea that K's don't matter...  
Giantsfan79 : 6/6/2021 9:18 am : link
In comment 15280745 sb from NYT Forum said:
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...throw me all the numbers you want, but basically Dave Kingman would be a $250,000,000 player in this era.

What the hell does that say?!?


it says that math/stat guys have determined that the number of HRs Stanton will produce are so valuable that you live with days like these.

I'll say this about Stanton's contract. The way contracts have inflated since he signed his (Nov 2014) and will continue to inflate into the future, he becomes more of a bargain each year.

Last thing, I know he's in a slump but when he's on, Stanton is one on a very short list of hitters who can carry a team for a couple weeks or a post season series. Those guys aren't easy to find and are always going to be expensive to acquire.
RE: It's not just Stanton  
johnnyb : 6/6/2021 9:19 am : link
In comment 15280786 Crazed Dogs said:
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It is the whole team... 6 hits yesterday and 3 runs....pathetic. I keep waiting for that game that the team breaks out of the team hitting slump and the players start hitting like the stats they have on the back of their baseball card.


Is your name Aaron Boone? He is waiting for that day too.

It’s getting late early.
Take a look at that new SI article on pitchers loading up the ball  
rich in DC : 6/6/2021 10:14 am : link
Also note that the Yanks are top 3 in increased spin rate. Which the author surmised, probably correctly, that the Yanks as an organization are promoting loading up the ball with their pitchers- and probably have been for some time.

This implies several important theories about the make-up of the current year Yanks. #1- the front office is aware and is fine with loading up the ball. #2- in light of #1, also made the hitter adjustment to focus on launch angle as a solution- hit HR if it is harder to get hits, because at least that way, you score- and can possibly outscore the other team with fewer hits. #3- #2 might have been the right solution, but they have the wrong mix of hitters.

My theories are based on the idea that the Yanks have intentionally and publicly embraced launch angle for their hitters, which implies that they know pitchers are harder to hit and need to find a way to increase scoring. In turn, that would imply, since they also publicly embrace the idea that they use data to increase performance. If the data says loading up the ball improves pitcher performance, the Yanks have probably embraced it as a performance enhancer to their pitchers.

The problem is that while launch angle is a defensible response to the ball being harder to hit, the Yanks may have accumulated the wrong set of hitters to implement it.

Fans have known for several years (as do other teams) the way to get Sanchez out is to throw something breaking away from him- he’ll swing and miss it. Judge, Stanton and Voit were prolific swing and miss guys before launch angle was a thing. Hicks and DJLM are hitters whose game is based on sifting out pitches to find the one you want to hit. Frazier is about bat speed- and increased launch angle means a shorter time in the “hitting” zone- and with higher bat speed, his time in the zone is shorter than others.

To sum it up- you have guys who have build their entire career from little league on up to either swinging and missing a lot or taking a lot of pitches- and thereby running the risk of taking extra strikes as the core of your team.

While launch angle offsets some of that because the production (HR) can offset the anticipated increase in Ks from increased pitch movement (hitters can no longer anticipate where a pitch will end up because pitchers have unnaturally increased movement), if you swing and miss even more you run the risk of losing any advantage to increased launch angle.

That’s a VERY long way of saying that the Yanks had the right idea to combat increased movement- but the wrong pieces. If you struggled to make contact before loading up became a thing, you’ll struggle more now. If your game is increasingly reliant on the HR, you don’t take the opportunity to push the balls the other way or through holes in the shift.

Just my theories on why the Yanks are struggling.
The entire team is greatly underperforming  
Beer Man : 6/6/2021 10:43 am : link
There is too much talent to be playing this poorly; they seem to be failing in most areas of the game (hitting, SP, base running, fielding, etc.). When this occurs it is generally due to poor coaching. If this can't be turned around the entire coaching staff must go, starting with Boone.
After the lay-off  
Beer Man : 6/6/2021 10:45 am : link
China Doll Stanton should have been sent on a rehab assignment (to find his stroke) before returning to NY
I read the article  
arniefez : 6/6/2021 10:52 am : link
I read your post. I agree with some of it.

The Yankees are struggling because they are a one dimensional redundant lineup being over produced to do the wrong things.

Pitchers loading up the ball didn't assemble a lineup of 3 outcome non athletic non contact hitters. The GM did that.

The Yankees offense struggling is nothing new. They have struggled since Stanton arrived to score any way other than a HR.

All of the fans and media who mocked the minority of us that were saying you can't playoff series with this type of approach have changed their tune now it's harder to hit HRs.

With the increased spin rates now you can't even win regular season games with this lineup.

The reason is there are no AAAA pitchers to load up stats and runs scored on anymore. Every team has a good pitching staff now.

Interestingly to me two of the Yankees hitters, Judge and Torres, seem to have made some adjustments and seem to be ignoring the organizational mantra of swing for an HR on every pitch.

It's mind boggling to me that with so many non contact hitters already in their lineup Cashman insists on playing Odor every day. When was the last time the Yankees had an every day player as bad as Odor?

The Yankees are in trouble going forward unless there is a new Baseball Operations Team for 2022. The current one has created a mess.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/6/2021 11:12 am : link
Don't mean to miller, but hasn't Cashman been running the Yanks since the late '90s? Sometimes you need to make change for the sake of change. Look @ what happened this past week with the Celts & Ainge...sometimes fresh blood/fresh pair of eyes is needed for a reset.
RE: I read the article  
Beer Man : 6/6/2021 12:21 pm : link
In comment 15280872 arniefez said:
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I read your post. I agree with some of it.

The Yankees are struggling because they are a one dimensional redundant lineup being over produced to do the wrong things.

Pitchers loading up the ball didn't assemble a lineup of 3 outcome non athletic non contact hitters. The GM did that.

The Yankees offense struggling is nothing new. They have struggled since Stanton arrived to score any way other than a HR.

All of the fans and media who mocked the minority of us that were saying you can't playoff series with this type of approach have changed their tune now it's harder to hit HRs.

With the increased spin rates now you can't even win regular season games with this lineup.

The reason is there are no AAAA pitchers to load up stats and runs scored on anymore. Every team has a good pitching staff now.

Interestingly to me two of the Yankees hitters, Judge and Torres, seem to have made some adjustments and seem to be ignoring the organizational mantra of swing for an HR on every pitch.

It's mind boggling to me that with so many non contact hitters already in their lineup Cashman insists on playing Odor every day. When was the last time the Yankees had an every day player as bad as Odor?

The Yankees are in trouble going forward unless there is a new Baseball Operations Team for 2022. The current one has created a mess.
Their line-up shouldn't be one-dimensional. I don't know if it is the team philosophy to swing for the fence or if the players have become Home Run happy, but the following all have the ability to hit for average, and IMO should be - DJ, Torres, Urshela, Andujar, probably Frazier, and Judge (who can hit with both power and average). IMO, the HR mentality is killing the O.
It is absoluley an organzational philosophy  
arniefez : 6/6/2021 1:38 pm : link
to swing for HRs on every pitch. Just like it's an organizational philosophy to throw every pitch as hard as you can and only throw 4 seamers and sliders.

What that has created is hitters who can't make contact and pitchers who only throw and can't pitch.

Cashman has run the Yankees since 2005. George had his life changing stroke in the winter of 2003 before the 2004 season. By 2005 he couldn't run the day to day anymore.

We're closing in on two decades of Cashman prospect development and the Yankees haven't produced a single quality MLB starting pitcher. What other GM could have survived that?


The Yankees have spent well over 2 billion on payroll alone in the last 10 years and have won only a handful of playoffs series total during that time. They turnover an old way overpaid non athletic roster to a younger way overpaid non athletic roster. What other GM could have survived that?
RE: After the lay-off  
mitch300 : 6/6/2021 2:05 pm : link
In comment 15280868 Beer Man said:
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China Doll Stanton should have been sent on a rehab assignment (to find his stroke) before returning to NY

EXACTLY ! Bonnie made a comment when Stanton first came back saying he just needs to get in the flow etc. I said why wasn’t he sent down for a rehab game or two.
Swinging for the fence  
Giant John : 6/6/2021 4:18 pm : link
Is a coaching issue. That needs to change. Cashman has had more than ample opportunities to get this team to the WS. He needs to go. Complete turnover. Boston sucked last year. They turn it around in one season? Then so can Yankees.
Out of the lineup again  
terz22 : 6/6/2021 5:01 pm : link
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pinch hitting in the 8th  
RasputinPrime : 6/6/2021 10:04 pm : link
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looked absolutely awful with a K on a pitch below the knees.
RE: pinch hitting in the 8th  
Bricktop : 6/6/2021 10:05 pm : link
In comment 15281211 RasputinPrime said:
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looked absolutely awful with a K on a pitch below the knees.


Whatever RP. You don't know anything.

He hit a ball hard to 3rd yesterday. Poon said so.
I heard an interesting take on why Cashman isn't going anywhere...  
Matt M. : 6/7/2021 12:37 am : link
at least not this year. With Hal Steinbrenner at the helm, they do not like to fire guys and then ultimately pay two people for the same job. Cashman has time left on his deal, so he's not going anywhere. Boone, on the other hand is in the last year of his deal. So, he is the more likely of the two to be gone at the end of the year.
RE: Weren’t most fans happy with trade when it happened  
TheMick7 : 6/7/2021 6:52 am : link
In comment 15280737 steve in ky said:
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Or am I remembering that wrong?


I think when the trade was made, the assumption was we were getting a full time OFer, not a full time DH. Before that trade, Cashman always spoke of not bringing in a full time DH so that it would be open for players to get a "1/2 day of rest". Hal's preoccupation w/the cap was obvious with this trade, as he told Cashman he needed to move salary even to Stanton's. Castro was moved in that trade & during spring training, Headley was moved so Headley/Castro contracts equaled Stanton's. The problem is that Dr Frankenstein Cashman continued to add the wrong parts to his monster & needs to find new ones to make the monster work. The lack of LH bats in this lineup has been an eyesore for 3+ years. If they want to be in the playoffs this year, action needs to be taken now. Problem is Hal needs to sign off to go over the cap & it seems like he's locked in not to. Yankees are worth 5+ billion,2+ billion more than any other MLB team & the amount they'd pay for being over the cap is nothing earth shattering financially. Dodgers won the World Series last year, were over the cap & still signed Bauer. Since Hal completely took over from George, the Hal era hasn't made the World Series in more than a decade(Only time the Yankees, at the very least, didn't make at least one World Series in a decade).I'd love to see Boone fired, as he's done less with more than any manager should. But, he'll stay because he's a YES man to Cashman & the analytic people, even though any type of analytics would say that the whole bunch should be fired, as their computerized game plan looks like it's been hacked!
I've been pretty patient  
AJ23 : 6/7/2021 9:16 am : link
They are obviously capable of getting hot and closing 6.5 games or whatever our deficit is right now really quickly. But watching Boone throw his hands up in the air while Mendoza (via Marcus Thames) and Phil Nevin (with an IV port still in his arm) got thrown out last night really pissed me off.
RE: I heard an interesting take on why Cashman isn't going anywhere...  
rich in DC : 6/7/2021 9:43 am : link
In comment 15281337 Matt M. said:
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at least not this year. With Hal Steinbrenner at the helm, they do not like to fire guys and then ultimately pay two people for the same job. Cashman has time left on his deal, so he's not going anywhere. Boone, on the other hand is in the last year of his deal. So, he is the more likely of the two to be gone at the end of the year.


If the Yanks ask him to “step into a non GM role” and promote Tim Naehring to the GM role, he may voluntarily step aside. I think I’ve read that he thinks he is on this last contract and would like Naehring to be the next GM
Re. launch angle  
Dr. D : 6/7/2021 10:02 am : link
Aren't more hitters adjusting their launch angle (down) in response to the pitching?

Kris Bryant (once a champion of high launch angle) has lowered his avg. launch angle from near 20 degrees his first 6 seasons, to about 13 degrees this yr. and is having the best year he's had in a few years. Health is also a factor, but he worked hard and made an effort to adjust his launch angle down in response to the pitching.

I'm a Met fan, don't follow Yankees, but from what I read above, it seems what the Yankees are emphasizing was the thing, ca. 2018; maybe not best for 2021.
RE: RE: I heard an interesting take on why Cashman isn't going anywhere...  
TheMick7 : 6/7/2021 10:21 am : link
In comment 15281449 rich in DC said:
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at least not this year. With Hal Steinbrenner at the helm, they do not like to fire guys and then ultimately pay two people for the same job. Cashman has time left on his deal, so he's not going anywhere. Boone, on the other hand is in the last year of his deal. So, he is the more likely of the two to be gone at the end of the year.



If the Yanks ask him to “step into a non GM role” and promote Tim Naehring to the GM role, he may voluntarily step aside. I think I’ve read that he thinks he is on this last contract and would like Naehring to be the next GM



And if we blacked out the names & asked someone what team that first paragraph was talking about,most would guess the Pirates! Yankees, under Hal,seem to be positioning themselves as one of the have nots,rather than the richest team in baseball!
RE: RE: Weren’t most fans happy with trade when it happened  
rnargi : 6/7/2021 12:18 pm : link
In comment 15281349 TheMick7 said:
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In comment 15280737 steve in ky said:


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Or am I remembering that wrong?



I think when the trade was made, the assumption was we were getting a full time OFer, not a full time DH. Before that trade, Cashman always spoke of not bringing in a full time DH so that it would be open for players to get a "1/2 day of rest". Hal's preoccupation w/the cap was obvious with this trade, as he told Cashman he needed to move salary even to Stanton's. Castro was moved in that trade & during spring training, Headley was moved so Headley/Castro contracts equaled Stanton's. The problem is that Dr Frankenstein Cashman continued to add the wrong parts to his monster & needs to find new ones to make the monster work. The lack of LH bats in this lineup has been an eyesore for 3+ years. If they want to be in the playoffs this year, action needs to be taken now. Problem is Hal needs to sign off to go over the cap & it seems like he's locked in not to. Yankees are worth 5+ billion,2+ billion more than any other MLB team & the amount they'd pay for being over the cap is nothing earth shattering financially. Dodgers won the World Series last year, were over the cap & still signed Bauer. Since Hal completely took over from George, the Hal era hasn't made the World Series in more than a decade(Only time the Yankees, at the very least, didn't make at least one World Series in a decade).I'd love to see Boone fired, as he's done less with more than any manager should. But, he'll stay because he's a YES man to Cashman & the analytic people, even though any type of analytics would say that the whole bunch should be fired, as their computerized game plan looks like it's been hacked!


I hated the trade at the time because I felt he was an unnecessary luxury. I liked Stanton but had become wary of contracts that huge after dealing with Arod,et al for a decade. We already had a solid team. We needed to build around the margins, not revamp the power core. I have said since the trade, it was the beginning of this groups' window closing. Not opening.
They look totally lost at the plate. Let’s not talk HR’s when  
Jim in Hoboken : 6/7/2021 12:32 pm : link
they can barely make contact.

It’s akin to not having money to eat 3 meals a day but insisting on steak for that one meal of the day.

With the analytics, you’d think they know what pitchers like to throw, but noooo, everyone is flailing at everything.

Just a suggestion, maybe they should look at exit velocity every AB other than walks. What good is exit velo of 115 when hitter only makes contact once a blue moon?
RE: RE: RE: Weren’t most fans happy with trade when it happened  
TheMick7 : 6/7/2021 12:38 pm : link
In comment 15281560 rnargi said:
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Or am I remembering that wrong?



I think when the trade was made, the assumption was we were getting a full time OFer, not a full time DH. Before that trade, Cashman always spoke of not bringing in a full time DH so that it would be open for players to get a "1/2 day of rest". Hal's preoccupation w/the cap was obvious with this trade, as he told Cashman he needed to move salary even to Stanton's. Castro was moved in that trade & during spring training, Headley was moved so Headley/Castro contracts equaled Stanton's. The problem is that Dr Frankenstein Cashman continued to add the wrong parts to his monster & needs to find new ones to make the monster work. The lack of LH bats in this lineup has been an eyesore for 3+ years. If they want to be in the playoffs this year, action needs to be taken now. Problem is Hal needs to sign off to go over the cap & it seems like he's locked in not to. Yankees are worth 5+ billion,2+ billion more than any other MLB team & the amount they'd pay for being over the cap is nothing earth shattering financially. Dodgers won the World Series last year, were over the cap & still signed Bauer. Since Hal completely took over from George, the Hal era hasn't made the World Series in more than a decade(Only time the Yankees, at the very least, didn't make at least one World Series in a decade).I'd love to see Boone fired, as he's done less with more than any manager should. But, he'll stay because he's a YES man to Cashman & the analytic people, even though any type of analytics would say that the whole bunch should be fired, as their computerized game plan looks like it's been hacked!



I hated the trade at the time because I felt he was an unnecessary luxury. I liked Stanton but had become wary of contracts that huge after dealing with Arod,et al for a decade. We already had a solid team. We needed to build around the margins, not revamp the power core. I have said since the trade, it was the beginning of this groups' window closing. Not opening.


I had mixed emotions,because I knew it would take us out of the running for Harper & his lefty bat in Yankee Stadium. If I had known he was going to DH exclusively, I also would have been against it!I agree with that being the closing of the window, because Hal became increasingly cap cautious(w/the Cole exception, because there was no way he could beg out of signing him.The pressure was too great & he wanted to sell mucho tix,not thinking COVID would curtail that.) This lineup is truly Frankenstein's monster,as parts were added w/o any rhyme or reason to fitting it to the ballpark. ARod pisses me off on TV,but last night he was spot on on so many Yankee issues.It's sad that it's the first week in June & I'm already looking forward to football season starting!
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