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NFT: Isles-Bruins Game 5

truebluelarry : 6/7/2021 7:29 am
The Islanders are in the exact same position they were in two weeks ago against Pittsburgh, tied in the series 2-2 following an inspiring Game 4 win at home and facing a critical Game 5 on the road.

The Bruins are a much tougher opponent than Pittsburgh, but I think the Isles can do it if Barzal stays hot and they play like they did in the third period Saturday when they smothered Boston.

I'm very pleased with the early 6:30 start, just in case we get another OT!
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LGI!  
adamg : 6/7/2021 5:33 pm : link
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Rough first period  
Mike from Ohio : 6/7/2021 7:37 pm : link
Lucky to come out of that one tied. Need to be more disciplined in their own zone.

And wow is Cassidy a whiner! When they win they played well, and when they lose the refs are against them. I hope he keeps bitching about the refs so his teams focus is on how the deck is stacked against them.

LGI!!!
Hell yeah baby  
adamg : 6/7/2021 8:19 pm : link
LFG
Wow! Where did this dangerous PP come from?  
Mike from Ohio : 6/7/2021 8:24 pm : link
They are taking advantage of their opportunities and took the crowd out of the game. Time to lock it down in the 3rd.

Don’t get baited into anything. Stay the course and play your game, aisles!

LGI!!!
5-2 bitch!  
adamg : 6/7/2021 8:38 pm : link
WOOOO
Come on Isles  
adamg : 6/7/2021 9:03 pm : link
Pick it up
Crazy last 10 minutes  
rnargi : 6/7/2021 9:14 pm : link
Great win for the Isles
Great win!  
truebluelarry : 6/7/2021 9:15 pm : link
I hate that they made it interesting, that Brock Nelson goal should have been icing on the cake.

Close it out Wednesday in 6!
LFG! Big Win baby!  
adamg : 6/7/2021 9:16 pm : link
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By the way,  
truebluelarry : 6/7/2021 9:17 pm : link
when was the last time the Islanders had 3 power play goals in a game?

RE: Brock and Bailey  
KDubbs : 6/7/2021 9:17 pm : link
In comment 15281447 KDubbs said:
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this would be a perfect game to have them have one of their games where they are both on. When they score, we win


just sayin....
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Danny Kanell : 6/7/2021 9:23 pm : link
Epic win. Fucking epic.
crazy game can't believe he pulled Rask  
Eric on Li : 6/7/2021 9:25 pm : link
gotta think they go back to him for game 6 right?
RE: crazy game can't believe he pulled Rask  
KDubbs : 6/7/2021 9:34 pm : link
In comment 15281950 Eric on Li said:
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gotta think they go back to him for game 6 right?


depends on his health. He got hurt in game 2 I think. He didnt skate this morning and i thought he wasnt himself early. rebounds and little misplays on the puck outside of the crease. just didnt seem like the rask from the other games
A lot of defensive zone mistakes in the 3rd  
Mike from Ohio : 6/7/2021 9:36 pm : link
They were way too deferential to the Bergeron line and gave way too much space. The time out was good because it did settle them down and get them back to being more calm.

They should be calm and confident going into game 6. That and the crowd should be enough to put this team behind us.

LGI!!!
Hell yea!!!  
Metnut : 6/7/2021 9:42 pm : link
Lethal Isles PP… who saw the coming?

Boston media/fans complaining about the refs is a joke. They are a dirty team and are getting what they deserve.

Game 6 might as well practically be game 7. Isles need to close this out on Wednesday.
Cassidy busting out the merlot early tonight  
Eric on Li : 6/7/2021 9:43 pm : link
seems like he's not happy with the way things are going.
Cassidy humiliating himself and his team  
Mike from Ohio : 6/7/2021 9:46 pm : link
In the post game presser.

"I think they sell a narrative over there it's more like the New York Saints, not the New York Islanders. The exact calls that are getting called on us are not getting called on them. I don't know why. You got the exact same high sticks... You just hope they'd see them."

I love that their coach is that distracted going into game 6.

Keep focusing on the refs, Bruce. Good idea.
Cassidy sounds like a  
Silver Spoon : 6/7/2021 10:02 pm : link
complete pussy.
I hope Joe Judge  
NewBlue : 6/7/2021 10:24 pm : link
Is our Barry Trotz
Amazing how the isles have gotten into their head  
Metnut : 6/7/2021 10:41 pm : link
Now their head coach is going off on the refs. Pitt tried the same thing and it didn’t work for them.

Boston took 194 minor penalties in the regular season. Isles took 130. This series there’s been 12 called in Boston and 9 on the Islanders.

How can anyone be surprised by what’s happening in this series? Boston is just being themselves
Pasta  
KDubbs : 6/7/2021 10:59 pm : link
also was crying about the refs. Pasta is sad! hey refs, lil help please
RE: Pasta  
Mike from Ohio : 6/7/2021 11:05 pm : link
In comment 15282013 KDubbs said:
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also was crying about the refs. Pasta is sad! hey refs, lil help please


Hey Ref. Check your woicemail. You missed some calls.
Boston is a bunch of scum bags  
theold5j : 6/7/2021 11:17 pm : link
Cheap shots all over the ice.
Gotta luv that win  
Sec 103 : 6/8/2021 7:00 am : link
Bruins gave them all they had to open the game, and they took it and changed the course in the second.
WTGI
Cassidy is in a tough place  
Mike from Ohio : 6/8/2021 8:31 am : link
His plan for this series seems to have been to play the Islanders physical style and hope to beat them at it. Now that they are taking stupid penalties and the injuries are mounting for them, he needs someone to blame.

Boston has a lot more scoring skill that the Islanders. While the top line is still managing to score, the second line has been largely absent because they don’t play that game well. Now their backs are against the wall and they know there is just more coming on Wednesday.

Call one of the least penalized teams in the league dirty. Rant about a conspiracy to keep propping up the team everyone thinks is boring. It’s all just to distract how he set up his own team for failure in this series by playing exactly how the Islanders wanted them to play.
RE: Cassidy sounds like a  
BlueHurricane : 6/8/2021 10:27 am : link
In comment 15281977 Silver Spoon said:
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complete pussy.


This ^^^^

Lets go New York Saints!!!!

YES! YES! YES! YES!

End this in a big way tomorrow.
Cassidy seemed quite composed to me...  
BillKo : 6/8/2021 10:56 am : link
...and is just trying to work the refs, from the standpoint he feels he's not getting the calls.

It's the same way Trotz called Bergeron a cheater at the circle a day before.

Islanders have had a rabbit's foot in their back pocket, we'll see how long it lasts.

RE: crazy game can't believe he pulled Rask  
BillKo : 6/8/2021 11:01 am : link
In comment 15281950 Eric on Li said:
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gotta think they go back to him for game 6 right?


Rask should have come with with the first goal and 4th goal IMO, if you're going to be a top flight goalie.

And he is a top flight goalie, but for whatever reason Rask will have these games - esp in big games - where he doesn't come up large.

I thought pulling him was a good idea, esp if he's not 100% and we know a goalie pull sometimes sparks a team. It almost worked.

Not sure what the management is thinking but I think they'll let Rask go and start go with Swayman and a vet net year.

Rask is older and starting to show injury cracks.......great career though.
RE: Cassidy seemed quite composed to me...  
Mike in NY : 6/8/2021 11:07 am : link
In comment 15282342 BillKo said:
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...and is just trying to work the refs, from the standpoint he feels he's not getting the calls.

It's the same way Trotz called Bergeron a cheater at the circle a day before.

Islanders have had a rabbit's foot in their back pocket, we'll see how long it lasts.


The penalty discrepancy should have been a lot larger if the refs had called Marchand's slash on Beau which directly caused first goal, Lauzon tackling an Islander, Ritchie's elbow to Mayfield. How about reducing an obvious spear to a slashing minor. The Islanders averaged well under 3 minors per game during the regular season got called for 2, the Bruins averaged approximately 4 minors per game during the regular season got called for 4.
RE: Cassidy seemed quite composed to me...  
Mike from Ohio : 6/8/2021 11:32 am : link
In comment 15282342 BillKo said:
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Islanders have had a rabbit's foot in their back pocket, we'll see how long it lasts.


What about this series has been "lucky" for the Islanders?
RE: RE: Cassidy seemed quite composed to me...  
KDubbs : 6/8/2021 11:44 am : link
In comment 15282375 Mike from Ohio said:
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In comment 15282342 BillKo said:


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Islanders have had a rabbit's foot in their back pocket, we'll see how long it lasts.




What about this series has been "lucky" for the Islanders?


Everything. the teams we beat are always the better team and get unlucky bounces and calls.

Cheating is cheating and it seems to be a Boston sports team thing. Butch has been calling out Bergeron all season, even in the regular season games.
I'm not trying to call anyone out  
Mike from Ohio : 6/8/2021 11:50 am : link
I am just trying to understand the comment.

Some folks look at the shot numbers and say "oh wow they are lucky to win when they get outshot 40-20" without realizing that happens night after night for the Islanders and they are built that way. It is not an anomaly that will regress to the norm since it has existed for the last 3 years.

And if it is the penalty discrepancy, my question would be why would you expect the penalties to even out when one team is one of the most penalized teams in the league, and one is one of the least penalized?

Hockey is the only sport I have ever seen where people think a well officiated game is one where the power plays are evenly distributed.
The Islanders haven't been lucky in the series.  
Mike in Long Beach : 6/8/2021 12:16 pm : link
But they were obviously lucky to win last night. There are plenty of games they deserve to win and don't, too.

Not sure why it's up for debate. In addition to an outrageous shot discrepancy, Marchand also missed an open net on that wrap around, plus they rung two posts. Almost no one wins a Stanley Cup without stealing a game they didn't deserve.

It's possible to acknowledge it without apologizing for it.
RE: RE: Cassidy seemed quite composed to me...  
BlueHurricane : 6/8/2021 12:16 pm : link
In comment 15282352 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 15282342 BillKo said:


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...and is just trying to work the refs, from the standpoint he feels he's not getting the calls.

It's the same way Trotz called Bergeron a cheater at the circle a day before.

Islanders have had a rabbit's foot in their back pocket, we'll see how long it lasts.




The penalty discrepancy should have been a lot larger if the refs had called Marchand's slash on Beau which directly caused first goal, Lauzon tackling an Islander, Ritchie's elbow to Mayfield. How about reducing an obvious spear to a slashing minor. The Islanders averaged well under 3 minors per game during the regular season got called for 2, the Bruins averaged approximately 4 minors per game during the regular season got called for 4.


Good point on the spear to the nuts of Barzy. That was a fucking joke.
RE: The Islanders haven't been lucky in the series.  
BlueHurricane : 6/8/2021 12:19 pm : link
In comment 15282416 Mike in Long Beach said:
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But they were obviously lucky to win last night. There are plenty of games they deserve to win and don't, too.

Not sure why it's up for debate. In addition to an outrageous shot discrepancy, Marchand also missed an open net on that wrap around, plus they rung two posts. Almost no one wins a Stanley Cup without stealing a game they didn't deserve.

It's possible to acknowledge it without apologizing for it.


I will admit without shame the Isles stole both game 5's in the last two series. They were severely outplayed last night and stole the win. Its what good teams do on the road. Now lock it up at home.
Shots hit posts on both sides almost every game  
Mike from Ohio : 6/8/2021 12:25 pm : link
Sure, you can call that luck. I wouldn't.

Marchand missed a wide open cage because he rushed his shot. Is that Islander luck or Marchand mistake? Are mistakes by teams always lucky?

To me, luck is a dump in along the boards hitting the zamboni door and popping in front of the net for an easy goal. Something you had no right to expect and nothing to do with skill or plan.

A guy whiffing on a shot or a WR dropping a pass in his chest when he is wide open? I wouldn't consider that luck.

Was Montreal "lucky" that Scheifele missed 3 games against them? I don't think most would classify opponent idiocy as luck.
Mike, come on.  
Mike in Long Beach : 6/8/2021 12:36 pm : link
Yes, shots off posts happen for both teams. The operative word you said was "both," and that wasn't the case yesterday. Hence the luck.

Yes, Marchand "rushed" the shot, I suppose. How many times would you expect Marchand to miss that shot.

And all this excludes the fact shots were 44-20. The Bruins had 76 attempts. I don't even know why you feel apologetic about it and want to argue it. Of course they were lucky. That doesn't mean they're undeserving or that they're incapable of winning more hockey games.
Speaking of Ritchie's elbow to Mayfield  
Mike in NY : 6/8/2021 12:38 pm : link
Ritchie was fined $5,000, the max allowed under CBA. That makes 3 Bruins receiving max fines this series resulting in one minor penalty called. But yeah the Refs are screwing the Bruins.
Mike in LB  
Mike from Ohio : 6/8/2021 1:12 pm : link
I am not apologizing for anything. You and I define "luck" differently. For years people have said the Giants were "lucky" to win SB 42 because of a dropped interception. I wouldn't call it luck. If you define a good player making a physical mistake in a big moment as luck then you would.

Every team that wins has some degree of luck. Playing hard generates luck. Not sure why you are suggesting I am apologizing for it. I just think the terminology is silly.
RE: Mike in LB  
Mike in Long Beach : 6/8/2021 2:58 pm : link
In comment 15282481 Mike from Ohio said:
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I am not apologizing for anything. You and I define "luck" differently. For years people have said the Giants were "lucky" to win SB 42 because of a dropped interception. I wouldn't call it luck. If you define a good player making a physical mistake in a big moment as luck then you would.

Every team that wins has some degree of luck. Playing hard generates luck. Not sure why you are suggesting I am apologizing for it. I just think the terminology is silly.


We actually are defining it the same. Because I agree with you, of course the Giants weren't lucky because of one single play (the dropped INT). It was a dead even game that came down to a play or two and we made them.

This isn't that. The Bruins manhandled the Islanders and lost. When we say the shots were 44-19 and the attempts were 76-37, that's not referencing a single odd play and pinning the entire fortune or misfortune on it. That's just referencing how the Bruins were a dominant force and deserved to win the game (and would win the game 95+ percent of the time). When I bring up the Marchand miss and the two posts, that's just adding additional color to the story, but it's not the story itself.

If the Islanders played a relatively even game and Marchand hits that post, and people call the Islanders lucky because of it, I'm right there with you calling it silly. But again, this ain't that.
Where we disagree Mike  
Mike from Ohio : 6/8/2021 3:38 pm : link
is the idea that number of shots is somehow indicative of dominating the game. Yes, last night at 5 on 5 Boston carried the play. The Bruins had far more scoring chances at even strength. But the Islanders got much better goal tending, and had far fewer stupid penalties, had far fewer defensive breakdowns, and dominated special teams.

If the Isles lost every time they were badly outshot they would never sniff the playoffs. They have been losing the analytics battle pretty much since Trotz arrived. I am arguing that the story of this game was not the Bruins dominating and the Isles somehow winning because of some puck luck.
RE: Where we disagree Mike  
Mike in Long Beach : 6/8/2021 3:58 pm : link
In comment 15282600 Mike from Ohio said:
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is the idea that number of shots is somehow indicative of dominating the game. Yes, last night at 5 on 5 Boston carried the play. The Bruins had far more scoring chances at even strength. But the Islanders got much better goal tending, and had far fewer stupid penalties, had far fewer defensive breakdowns, and dominated special teams.

If the Isles lost every time they were badly outshot they would never sniff the playoffs. They have been losing the analytics battle pretty much since Trotz arrived. I am arguing that the story of this game was not the Bruins dominating and the Isles somehow winning because of some puck luck.


Are you saying that the Bruins weren't dominant last night?
RE: RE: Where we disagree Mike  
Mike from Ohio : 6/8/2021 4:11 pm : link
In comment 15282611 Mike in Long Beach said:
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In comment 15282600 Mike from Ohio said:


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is the idea that number of shots is somehow indicative of dominating the game. Yes, last night at 5 on 5 Boston carried the play. The Bruins had far more scoring chances at even strength. But the Islanders got much better goal tending, and had far fewer stupid penalties, had far fewer defensive breakdowns, and dominated special teams.

If the Isles lost every time they were badly outshot they would never sniff the playoffs. They have been losing the analytics battle pretty much since Trotz arrived. I am arguing that the story of this game was not the Bruins dominating and the Isles somehow winning because of some puck luck.



Are you saying that the Bruins weren't dominant last night?


At 5 on 5 they outplayed the Islanders by a wide margin. I said that in my last post.

But they got poor goaltending, played poor defense, and took stupid penalties. That offset most of their 5 on 5 advantage.
Cassidy fined $25k by the NHL  
Mike from Ohio : 6/8/2021 4:12 pm : link
for his post-game comments.
Ritchie fined $5,000 for elbowing Mayfield  
Mike from Ohio : 6/8/2021 4:19 pm : link
No penalty was called.

I would imagine Cassidy has no comment.
We were definitely fortunate to win  
islander1 : 6/8/2021 4:29 pm : link
but we DID score 5.

Rask, if healthy, we lose that game 4-3, maybe 4-2. If it wasn't my team facing him, I'd feel bad for him. Bruins defense didn't do him many favors though, I mean it's nice to give up only 19 or 20 shots but if 11-12 of them are high danger then sometimes this result happens.

The crying about penalties is so fucking pathetic. Statistics show not only are the Bruins one of the highest penalized teams all year, the Islanders are I believe third least. This isn't some fluke, although I would certainly agree the refs last night sucked. They just sucked for everyone.

Penalty whining aside  
Diversify yo bonds : 6/8/2021 4:30 pm : link
The reality is the Bruins are dominant when the Bergeron line is out, its uncanny how many second and third possessions they generate off the forecheck. However, they are getting very little from the other 3 lines

Their blue line without Carlo and Miller is totally exposed. The isles got wide open looks right between the hash marks.

The story is balanced depth VS elite top end. We'll see who wins.
unrelated - check out the Habs  
islander1 : 6/8/2021 4:31 pm : link
sweet jesus
RE: We were definitely fortunate to win  
Mike from Ohio : 6/8/2021 4:34 pm : link
In comment 15282635 islander1 said:
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but we DID score 5.

Rask, if healthy, we lose that game 4-3, maybe 4-2. If it wasn't my team facing him, I'd feel bad for him. Bruins defense didn't do him many favors though, I mean it's nice to give up only 19 or 20 shots but if 11-12 of them are high danger then sometimes this result happens.

The crying about penalties is so fucking pathetic. Statistics show not only are the Bruins one of the highest penalized teams all year, the Islanders are I believe third least. This isn't some fluke, although I would certainly agree the refs last night sucked. They just sucked for everyone.


This is exactly it. You have to look at all aspects of the game, not how the Bergeron line played.

On Bailey's goal he was standing all alone in front of Rask with all day to shoot. Palmieri camped out on the top of the crease and simply waited for the puck to come to him. Eberle scored on a cross crease pass that he settled before he even had to shoot it.

It's wonderful to dominate for 50 minutes, but when you play like absolute dog shit for the other 10, did you really "deserve" to win?

The Pasternak-Bergeron-Marchand line deserved to win. The Bruins team did not.
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