That's fair. I see it as Green Bay has a great offense, and a good defense. They were in the driver's seat all year, and their young coach mismanaged the end of the championship game.
We're not talking several bad moves by the organization. We're talking arguably one debatable move -- on a pretty loaded team.
I think if Rodgers had played it cool -- most everyone would feel like it was a wise move to plan for the future.
I think the Love pick is water under the bridge at this point. I have no doubt that it pissed Rodgers off at the time, but his stance now is purely due to GB not renegotiating his contract. He was league MVP and wants to be paid like it.
It's hard to know how much of that is on the front office, as we don't know what they've offered him, but the longer this drag on, the worse they look.
That's fair. I see it as Green Bay has a great offense, and a good defense. They were in the driver's seat all year, and their young coach mismanaged the end of the championship game.
We're not talking several bad moves by the organization. We're talking arguably one debatable move -- on a pretty loaded team.
I think if Rodgers had played it cool -- most everyone would feel like it was a wise move to plan for the future.
I think the Love pick is water under the bridge at this point. I have no doubt that it pissed Rodgers off at the time, but his stance now is purely due to GB not renegotiating his contract. He was league MVP and wants to be paid like it.
It's hard to know how much of that is on the front office, as we don't know what they've offered him, but the longer this drag on, the worse they look.
It's not about the total money. It's about the guarantees because he wants some more security. Right now his contract is structured so that they can just drop him at the drop of the hat for minimal cost.
That's fair. I see it as Green Bay has a great offense, and a good defense. They were in the driver's seat all year, and their young coach mismanaged the end of the championship game.
We're not talking several bad moves by the organization. We're talking arguably one debatable move -- on a pretty loaded team.
I think if Rodgers had played it cool -- most everyone would feel like it was a wise move to plan for the future.
Green Bay got sunk when Bakhtiaria went down. The offensive line took a massive regression. And his injury happened so late in the year, it's hard to expect much from him this year. That offense looks night and day without him in the lineup, and he missed sometime early in the season and they struggled.
Rodgers probably wants to get traded, I think they take a massive step back this year without him. He knows he's on limited time with Packers and doesn't want to waste the time he has left on a team that probably can't compete for a SB. I'm surprised more people aren't talking about the loss of their All Pro LT and they have splits of what the offense looks like with him in and out of lineup. Kind of like our offensive splits when SB is in and out of lineup.
And that's why it's about the gurantees, he wants a commitment
Rodgers wants big money because he put up an MVP season (and did it with relative ease no less) and he wants the uncertainty on his remaining career in Green Bay to go away.
And the way he gets that is thru nice big guaranteed commitments and opt-out clauses on his end so he has the flexibility, not the Packers.
Green Bay got sunk when Bakhtiaria went down. The offensive line took a massive regression. And his injury happened so late in the year, it's hard to expect much from him this year. That offense looks night and day without him in the lineup, and he missed sometime early in the season and they struggled.
Bakhtiari went down after the Titans game in week 16. The Packers rolled over Chicago to clinch the number one seed the next week and scored 35 points. And then put nearly 500 yards and 32 points up against the best defense in the NFL in the divisional round.
I’m not saying Bakhtiari wouldn’t have helped against Tampa, but they played well without him going into the Tampa. The Bucs pass rush was on an absolute tear and against Rodgers and then Mahomes.
Green Bay got sunk when Bakhtiaria went down. The offensive line took a massive regression. And his injury happened so late in the year, it's hard to expect much from him this year. That offense looks night and day without him in the lineup, and he missed sometime early in the season and they struggled.
Bakhtiari went down after the Titans game in week 16. The Packers rolled over Chicago to clinch the number one seed the next week and scored 35 points. And then put nearly 500 yards and 32 points up against the best defense in the NFL in the divisional round.
I’m not saying Bakhtiari wouldn’t have helped against Tampa, but they played well without him going into the Tampa. The Bucs pass rush was on an absolute tear and against Rodgers and then Mahomes.
Are we just going to go gloss over the fact the Rams looked incompetent offensively and lost Aaron Darnold early. The defense looked night and day without him in it. The Packers ran wild.
They had 300 yards of offense in that Bears game.
The Bucs pass rush is very good and looked even better
because two teams they went up against were starting guys that didn't belong on a football field. The Bucs got an unbelievably fortunate run to the SB. Played the hapless WFT, a cooked Brees, and then two teams they matched up great against playing piss poor tackle play.
Green Bay got sunk when Bakhtiaria went down. The offensive line took a massive regression. And his injury happened so late in the year, it's hard to expect much from him this year. That offense looks night and day without him in the lineup, and he missed sometime early in the season and they struggled.
Bakhtiari went down after the Titans game in week 16. The Packers rolled over Chicago to clinch the number one seed the next week and scored 35 points. And then put nearly 500 yards and 32 points up against the best defense in the NFL in the divisional round.
I’m not saying Bakhtiari wouldn’t have helped against Tampa, but they played well without him going into the Tampa. The Bucs pass rush was on an absolute tear and against Rodgers and then Mahomes.
That's no time to prep, same thing happened to the Chiefs. They beat Chicago because Chicago stunk and Mack is someone you can neutralize at this point in his career. They didn't have a prayer that game.
If Bhaktiari went down mid season, that's likely enough time to learn how to play without him and/or trade for depth.
That's fair. I see it as Green Bay has a great offense, and a good defense. They were in the driver's seat all year, and their young coach mismanaged the end of the championship game.
We're not talking several bad moves by the organization. We're talking arguably one debatable move -- on a pretty loaded team.
I think if Rodgers had played it cool -- most everyone would feel like it was a wise move to plan for the future.
Green Bay got sunk when Bakhtiaria went down. The offensive line took a massive regression. And his injury happened so late in the year, it's hard to expect much from him this year. That offense looks night and day without him in the lineup, and he missed sometime early in the season and they struggled.
Rodgers probably wants to get traded, I think they take a massive step back this year without him. He knows he's on limited time with Packers and doesn't want to waste the time he has left on a team that probably can't compete for a SB. I'm surprised more people aren't talking about the loss of their All Pro LT and they have splits of what the offense looks like with him in and out of lineup. Kind of like our offensive splits when SB is in and out of lineup.
In the four games Bakhtiari missed last year Rodgers threw for four TDs three times and three TDs the other game. They put up 35, 34, 22, and 35 points in those games. What splits do you mean?
In the four games Bakhtiari missed last year Rodgers threw for four TDs three times and three TDs the other game. They put up 35, 34, 22, and 35 points in those games. What splits do you mean?
This was prior to the ACL injury. They lost him early last year against Bucs and looked completely inept. They then played the Texans the following week who had an atrocious defense. They put up 300 yards against the Bears and played against the Rams without Darnold combined with an inept offense that made a supbar defense that was absolutely gassed, and Rogers threw the ball 50 times against the Bucs, only put up 26 points and was under constant duress. When your QB is throwing that much, you need to see more points. Not to mention he'll get hurt. His loss is going to keep them from being a SB contender. Teams just don't lose their second-best player and not miss a beat. Especially when its on the offensive line. They did nothing to really address it either.
I know it's hard to get to/win Super Bowls, but it amazes me Rodgers has only been there once. I still can't believe how the Packers choked away that 4th quarter lead vs. the Hawks in the January 2015 NFC title game.
Green Bay got sunk when Bakhtiaria went down. The offensive line took a massive regression. And his injury happened so late in the year, it's hard to expect much from him this year. That offense looks night and day without him in the lineup, and he missed sometime early in the season and they struggled.
Bakhtiari went down after the Titans game in week 16. The Packers rolled over Chicago to clinch the number one seed the next week and scored 35 points. And then put nearly 500 yards and 32 points up against the best defense in the NFL in the divisional round.
I’m not saying Bakhtiari wouldn’t have helped against Tampa, but they played well without him going into the Tampa. The Bucs pass rush was on an absolute tear and against Rodgers and then Mahomes.
Are we just going to go gloss over the fact the Rams looked incompetent offensively and lost Aaron Darnold early. The defense looked night and day without him in it. The Packers ran wild.
They had 300 yards of offense in that Bears game.
I'm not glossing over anything. You're using terms like sunk and massive regression to describe their performance after Bakhtiari tore his ACL.
When in reality the outcome was probably closer to played a little less well.
quantify it with such a small sample size. I'm just going by how I saw them perform. Didn't watch week 17, but they didn't look good the following two weeks that's for sure.
Rodgers is looking for titles, not playoff experiences. Teams just don't lose their second best player and stay SB contenders. Not saying they aren't a playoff team, but they are probably one win and out, and that's mostly because of Rogers. He can only do so much. They also lost their very good starting center. That offensive line is going to be their Achilles heel next year. If I'm him, I want a guarantee I'm there in 2022 or I want out.
I watch McAfee quite a bit and he's a frequent guest. The insecurity of the situation is what irks him the most. He only has so many years left.
I do not wish AR harm, it wasn't my intent but I should have not written that. I am sorry and regret that.
. I'm maybe tired of hearing about him, and people kissing his ass.
Yes, Green Bay could have handled it better, drafted better etc.
..but he is still a roster guy no?
I do not wish him broken bones, and in the big picture I do not think about him often.
I do, however have distain for arrogance, I would not shed a tear if he played his last game.
I should have been more clear and close to what I was thinking in some of my replies to this thread yesterday or whatever,
for Rodgers. I think it's about a fresh start and in a market that's in the mountain or pacific zone.
So I still land on a trade to Denver. And the AFCW becomes the most exciting division in football.
Denver is very talented on both sides of the ball. I like Lock and think he could still be something interesting. But if they can get Rodgers, Denver is going to be a handful. And zoom right to the top of SB contenders...
for Rodgers. I think it's about a fresh start and in a market that's in the mountain or pacific zone.
So I still land on a trade to Denver. And the AFCW becomes the most exciting division in football.
Denver is very talented on both sides of the ball. I like Lock and think he could still be something interesting. But if they can get Rodgers, Denver is going to be a handful. And zoom right to the top of SB contenders...
It isn't about money, it's about respect. He think's he's earned enough respect to get a guarantee he'll be there in the future. You do that with guaranteed cut money. If they can't he wants to go somewhere he can win another SB. Bet that.
I understand why he wants to got Denver, very capable defensive coach and he can just run the offense. Their offense isn't much worse than GB, and he can trust his coach to lock up on back end.
I know it's hard to get to/win Super Bowls, but it amazes me Rodgers has only been there once. I still can't believe how the Packers choked away that 4th quarter lead vs. the Hawks in the January 2015 NFC title game.
Any other team but the Seahawks and you can blame the Packers.
Seahawks had truly incredible luck those early seasons under Carroll. I used to think NYG benefited a bit from luck, but Seattle took that to a new level.
The Patriots SB comeback from 28-3 made more sense than what happened in that 2014 NFC Championship.
- The Packers fired McCarthy before he had 2 full losing seasons
- They replaced him with an up and coming coach who immediately turned in a 13-win season
- They used a pick in the mid 20s on a QB, with a 37 year old QB
- Won 13 games again, a playoff game, and arguably could have won another
- The Packers took 2 pretty good offensive players in rounds 2 and 3
- The Packers had the 13th ranked scoring defense in the NFL last year
The Packers are one Aaron Rodgers press conference from being viewed as a well prepared, well coached, winning team set for success now and the future.
This, exactly. He had plenty of weapons last year. They lost because they lost Bahktiari when the Bucs were getting hot.
Him whining about weapons is bullshit.
We're not talking several bad moves by the organization. We're talking arguably one debatable move -- on a pretty loaded team.
I think if Rodgers had played it cool -- most everyone would feel like it was a wise move to plan for the future.
I think the Love pick is water under the bridge at this point. I have no doubt that it pissed Rodgers off at the time, but his stance now is purely due to GB not renegotiating his contract. He was league MVP and wants to be paid like it.
It's hard to know how much of that is on the front office, as we don't know what they've offered him, but the longer this drag on, the worse they look.
Agreed. Love happened, Rodgers responded on the field, your move Packers.
This year, management gave him some help and I think he plays for Green Bay.
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That's fair. I see it as Green Bay has a great offense, and a good defense. They were in the driver's seat all year, and their young coach mismanaged the end of the championship game.
We're not talking several bad moves by the organization. We're talking arguably one debatable move -- on a pretty loaded team.
I think if Rodgers had played it cool -- most everyone would feel like it was a wise move to plan for the future.
I think the Love pick is water under the bridge at this point. I have no doubt that it pissed Rodgers off at the time, but his stance now is purely due to GB not renegotiating his contract. He was league MVP and wants to be paid like it.
It's hard to know how much of that is on the front office, as we don't know what they've offered him, but the longer this drag on, the worse they look.
It's not about the total money. It's about the guarantees because he wants some more security. Right now his contract is structured so that they can just drop him at the drop of the hat for minimal cost.
We're not talking several bad moves by the organization. We're talking arguably one debatable move -- on a pretty loaded team.
I think if Rodgers had played it cool -- most everyone would feel like it was a wise move to plan for the future.
Green Bay got sunk when Bakhtiaria went down. The offensive line took a massive regression. And his injury happened so late in the year, it's hard to expect much from him this year. That offense looks night and day without him in the lineup, and he missed sometime early in the season and they struggled.
Rodgers probably wants to get traded, I think they take a massive step back this year without him. He knows he's on limited time with Packers and doesn't want to waste the time he has left on a team that probably can't compete for a SB. I'm surprised more people aren't talking about the loss of their All Pro LT and they have splits of what the offense looks like with him in and out of lineup. Kind of like our offensive splits when SB is in and out of lineup.
Rodgers wants big money because he put up an MVP season (and did it with relative ease no less) and he wants the uncertainty on his remaining career in Green Bay to go away.
And the way he gets that is thru nice big guaranteed commitments and opt-out clauses on his end so he has the flexibility, not the Packers.
Bakhtiari went down after the Titans game in week 16. The Packers rolled over Chicago to clinch the number one seed the next week and scored 35 points. And then put nearly 500 yards and 32 points up against the best defense in the NFL in the divisional round.
I’m not saying Bakhtiari wouldn’t have helped against Tampa, but they played well without him going into the Tampa. The Bucs pass rush was on an absolute tear and against Rodgers and then Mahomes.
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Green Bay got sunk when Bakhtiaria went down. The offensive line took a massive regression. And his injury happened so late in the year, it's hard to expect much from him this year. That offense looks night and day without him in the lineup, and he missed sometime early in the season and they struggled.
Bakhtiari went down after the Titans game in week 16. The Packers rolled over Chicago to clinch the number one seed the next week and scored 35 points. And then put nearly 500 yards and 32 points up against the best defense in the NFL in the divisional round.
I’m not saying Bakhtiari wouldn’t have helped against Tampa, but they played well without him going into the Tampa. The Bucs pass rush was on an absolute tear and against Rodgers and then Mahomes.
Are we just going to go gloss over the fact the Rams looked incompetent offensively and lost Aaron Darnold early. The defense looked night and day without him in it. The Packers ran wild.
They had 300 yards of offense in that Bears game.
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Green Bay got sunk when Bakhtiaria went down. The offensive line took a massive regression. And his injury happened so late in the year, it's hard to expect much from him this year. That offense looks night and day without him in the lineup, and he missed sometime early in the season and they struggled.
Bakhtiari went down after the Titans game in week 16. The Packers rolled over Chicago to clinch the number one seed the next week and scored 35 points. And then put nearly 500 yards and 32 points up against the best defense in the NFL in the divisional round.
I’m not saying Bakhtiari wouldn’t have helped against Tampa, but they played well without him going into the Tampa. The Bucs pass rush was on an absolute tear and against Rodgers and then Mahomes.
That's no time to prep, same thing happened to the Chiefs. They beat Chicago because Chicago stunk and Mack is someone you can neutralize at this point in his career. They didn't have a prayer that game.
If Bhaktiari went down mid season, that's likely enough time to learn how to play without him and/or trade for depth.
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That's fair. I see it as Green Bay has a great offense, and a good defense. They were in the driver's seat all year, and their young coach mismanaged the end of the championship game.
We're not talking several bad moves by the organization. We're talking arguably one debatable move -- on a pretty loaded team.
I think if Rodgers had played it cool -- most everyone would feel like it was a wise move to plan for the future.
Green Bay got sunk when Bakhtiaria went down. The offensive line took a massive regression. And his injury happened so late in the year, it's hard to expect much from him this year. That offense looks night and day without him in the lineup, and he missed sometime early in the season and they struggled.
Rodgers probably wants to get traded, I think they take a massive step back this year without him. He knows he's on limited time with Packers and doesn't want to waste the time he has left on a team that probably can't compete for a SB. I'm surprised more people aren't talking about the loss of their All Pro LT and they have splits of what the offense looks like with him in and out of lineup. Kind of like our offensive splits when SB is in and out of lineup.
In the four games Bakhtiari missed last year Rodgers threw for four TDs three times and three TDs the other game. They put up 35, 34, 22, and 35 points in those games. What splits do you mean?
In the four games Bakhtiari missed last year Rodgers threw for four TDs three times and three TDs the other game. They put up 35, 34, 22, and 35 points in those games. What splits do you mean?
This was prior to the ACL injury. They lost him early last year against Bucs and looked completely inept. They then played the Texans the following week who had an atrocious defense. They put up 300 yards against the Bears and played against the Rams without Darnold combined with an inept offense that made a supbar defense that was absolutely gassed, and Rogers threw the ball 50 times against the Bucs, only put up 26 points and was under constant duress. When your QB is throwing that much, you need to see more points. Not to mention he'll get hurt. His loss is going to keep them from being a SB contender. Teams just don't lose their second-best player and not miss a beat. Especially when its on the offensive line. They did nothing to really address it either.
I'd add, I thought the sloppy turnovers against TB hurt the Packers that game as much as anything else.
Maybe they do beat TB if he doesn't get hurt.
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Green Bay got sunk when Bakhtiaria went down. The offensive line took a massive regression. And his injury happened so late in the year, it's hard to expect much from him this year. That offense looks night and day without him in the lineup, and he missed sometime early in the season and they struggled.
Bakhtiari went down after the Titans game in week 16. The Packers rolled over Chicago to clinch the number one seed the next week and scored 35 points. And then put nearly 500 yards and 32 points up against the best defense in the NFL in the divisional round.
I’m not saying Bakhtiari wouldn’t have helped against Tampa, but they played well without him going into the Tampa. The Bucs pass rush was on an absolute tear and against Rodgers and then Mahomes.
Are we just going to go gloss over the fact the Rams looked incompetent offensively and lost Aaron Darnold early. The defense looked night and day without him in it. The Packers ran wild.
They had 300 yards of offense in that Bears game.
I'm not glossing over anything. You're using terms like sunk and massive regression to describe their performance after Bakhtiari tore his ACL.
When in reality the outcome was probably closer to played a little less well.
Rodgers is looking for titles, not playoff experiences. Teams just don't lose their second best player and stay SB contenders. Not saying they aren't a playoff team, but they are probably one win and out, and that's mostly because of Rogers. He can only do so much. They also lost their very good starting center. That offensive line is going to be their Achilles heel next year. If I'm him, I want a guarantee I'm there in 2022 or I want out.
I watch McAfee quite a bit and he's a frequent guest. The insecurity of the situation is what irks him the most. He only has so many years left.
I do not wish AR harm, it wasn't my intent but I should have not written that. I am sorry and regret that.
. I'm maybe tired of hearing about him, and people kissing his ass.
Yes, Green Bay could have handled it better, drafted better etc.
..but he is still a roster guy no?
I do not wish him broken bones, and in the big picture I do not think about him often.
I do, however have distain for arrogance, I would not shed a tear if he played his last game.
I should have been more clear and close to what I was thinking in some of my replies to this thread yesterday or whatever,
So I still land on a trade to Denver. And the AFCW becomes the most exciting division in football.
Denver is very talented on both sides of the ball. I like Lock and think he could still be something interesting. But if they can get Rodgers, Denver is going to be a handful. And zoom right to the top of SB contenders...
So I still land on a trade to Denver. And the AFCW becomes the most exciting division in football.
Denver is very talented on both sides of the ball. I like Lock and think he could still be something interesting. But if they can get Rodgers, Denver is going to be a handful. And zoom right to the top of SB contenders...
It isn't about money, it's about respect. He think's he's earned enough respect to get a guarantee he'll be there in the future. You do that with guaranteed cut money. If they can't he wants to go somewhere he can win another SB. Bet that.
I understand why he wants to got Denver, very capable defensive coach and he can just run the offense. Their offense isn't much worse than GB, and he can trust his coach to lock up on back end.
Any other team but the Seahawks and you can blame the Packers.
Seahawks had truly incredible luck those early seasons under Carroll. I used to think NYG benefited a bit from luck, but Seattle took that to a new level.
The Patriots SB comeback from 28-3 made more sense than what happened in that 2014 NFC Championship.
- The Packers fired McCarthy before he had 2 full losing seasons
- They replaced him with an up and coming coach who immediately turned in a 13-win season
- They used a pick in the mid 20s on a QB, with a 37 year old QB
- Won 13 games again, a playoff game, and arguably could have won another
- The Packers took 2 pretty good offensive players in rounds 2 and 3
- The Packers had the 13th ranked scoring defense in the NFL last year
The Packers are one Aaron Rodgers press conference from being viewed as a well prepared, well coached, winning team set for success now and the future.
This, exactly. He had plenty of weapons last year. They lost because they lost Bahktiari when the Bucs were getting hot.
Him whining about weapons is bullshit.