NFT: Harvey lit up. Mets up 7-1 in the third. Mets at Orioles

I know Matt looks completely done but i think it is not a bad suggestion. It will cost little to nothing and maybe working with Hefner helps.

Mets only need him for 4/5 starts during the next month

Granted, I know very little about the effects of TOS. I know it’s been a career killer of an injury.

But, Harvey still throws pretty hard. I know that’s not everything but it’s hard to pinpoint why TOS is so devastating of an injury for a pitcher.

Anyone want to give me the quick and dirty on this topic?

I would trade him for Harvey

He was done 5+ years ago.

I'd rather see Peterson work through his troubles or promote Szapucki. At least they both have upside. Harvey is done.

and one tomorrow, plus two blowouts, bullpen should be well rested for a tough stretch coming up

In comment 15283452 CooperDash said:

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Granted, I know very little about the effects of TOS. I know it’s been a career killer of an injury. But, Harvey still throws pretty hard. I know that’s not everything but it’s hard to pinpoint why TOS is so devastating of an injury for a pitcher. Anyone want to give me the quick and dirty on this topic?

Understanding how thoracic outlet syndrome forced Matt Harvey into an early decline - ( New Window )

stories of MLB and how hard it is to make it.

Debuted like lightning in bottle and captured the attention and adulation of the city almost over night. I remember the start to his Mets career like it was yesterday and how certain it seemed he'd be at the top of the Mets rotation the next decade or more.

he never even made it to one free agent contract. Not saying anyone should weep for him, his career earnings from baseball are over $28M (more than many of us will earn in a lifetime), but he had the talent to be elite.

Kind of like Mark Prior of the Cubs. Destined for stardom then injuries derailed it.

The control is the far bigger issue IMO. He doesnt have that pinpoint command anymore like a deGrom does. Harvey was a surgeon before the surgery.

Now, his stuff is mediocre and he just doesnt even know where every pitch is even going anymore.

Just my observation. Its sad though. Loved Harvey.

He seems to instill confidence in the Mets' bats.

Dude is a #2 on many staffs.

Only question with him for me is how many innings can he pitch this year?

I was at that 2015 WS Game 5 where Harvey pitched his heart out. Glad to see he got a nice ovation on his return. But, there's no reason to think he'd be much better than he has shown so far this year. I'd rather give the starts to Eickhoff or Puck.

Apparently Carrasco's leg STILL isnt strong enough to start a rehab assignment.

So damn frustrating. This is quickly turning into another Lowry situation.

Absolutely awful.

Almora will be demoted to AAA when we are at full strength again. No chance, he get's DFA.

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Not overall achievements but at their peak. Mine would be:

Degrom
Seaver
Gooden
Harvey
Koosman
Thor
Leiter
Matlack
Cone
El Sid

I probably forgot someone obvious and I did not see the pre 1985 guys. For example, I know Craig Swan won the ERA title one year but don’t know enough about him

In comment 15283484 Vanzetti said:

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Not overall achievements but at their peak. Mine would be: Degrom Seaver Gooden Harvey Koosman Thor Leiter Matlack Cone El Sid I probably forgot someone obvious and I did not see the pre 1985 guys. For example, I know Craig Swan won the ERA title one year but don’t know enough about him

I think until Degrom wins a World Series than Seaver is still 1

In comment 15283488 Earl the goat said:

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In comment 15283484 Vanzetti said: Quote: Not overall achievements but at their peak. Mine would be: Degrom Seaver Gooden Harvey Koosman Thor Leiter Matlack Cone El Sid I probably forgot someone obvious and I did not see the pre 1985 guys. For example, I know Craig Swan won the ERA title one year but don’t know enough about him I think until Degrom wins a World Series than Seaver is still 1

It's almost blasphemous for a Mets fan to rate anyone above Seaver but de Grom is doing things on the field that even Seaver didn't do, and he's sustained this excellence for an extended time. I think it's fair to rank him above Seaver.

Gooden was about as good as a pitcher can be in 1985 but didn't really sustain that level. Third behind de Grom and Seaver seems right.

1985 is the best pitcher season I've seen, only one that I'd consider might be better is Pedro's 1999.

deGrom's 2021 could give both a run for their money but Doc pitched 276 innings which is a 70's throwback #. deGrom will never pitch that much.

deGrom's 2018, and Seavers 1971 are IMO just below Doc's 1985.

If it's career I'd probably say deGrom is already past Doc and close to Seaver. it's a matter of time if deGrom stays healthy.

Santana might crack a list or two... 98-2002 Leiter.

Lots of great pitching in Mets lore.

Syndergaard was incredible.

lol. Totally whiffed on same names you listed. haha. Getting late.

are finally heating up for real. Dont trust Lindor or Dom are 100% "hot" yet. But guys like McCann, Alonso, Villar, Pillar... ARE!

In comment 15283458 ZGiants98 said:

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I'd rather see Peterson work through his troubles or promote Szapucki. At least they both have upside. Harvey is done.

I mean I know its not optimistic but I would really like to see what Hefner and McCann could do with Harvey.

We need a guy who can get us innings and protect our bullpen.

hasn’t been mentioned. Had a couple real good years here

RA Dickey Cy Young year

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Kevin Pillar and Billy McKinney are just the second pair of #Mets outfielders each with multiple homers during the same game – they join Darryl Strawberry and Kevin McReynolds, who did so on Aprill 4, 1988.

Mason Williams hit a homerun too. So the whole OF got homers in this game.

3rd in Cy Young voting, was a 20 game winner with a 2.67 ERA. 20-12 and was an All-Star both full seasons with the Mets.

Also, people always forget El Sid, who was so good on the Mets for so long. He was just consistently very good, he was such a key part of that rotation from 1985-1993.

Mets picked the right time to have the bats start perking up. The next 4.5 weeks are going to be insane. Enjoy the rest day tomorrow fellas. All hell is about to break loose after.

32 games in 30 days coming up.

In comment 15283585 ZGiants98 said:

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Mets picked the right time to have the bats start perking up. The next 4.5 weeks are going to be insane. Enjoy the rest day tomorrow fellas. All hell is about to break loose after. 32 games in 30 days coming up.

It's going to make or break the season, with many games against the NL East

In comment 15283533 KDavies said:

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RA Dickey Cy Young year

So good of a call. I saw R.A. daxxle the Rays at the Trop in St. Pete in 2012. He threw a 1 hitter and struck out 12. And the only hit he allowed was a little dribbler to 3rd that David Wright unsuccessfully tried to barehand, and I have always thought that Wright could've gloved it and thrown Upton out.

Part of me never forgave Wright for that, because I could've been in attendance for what would've been the second Mets' no-hitter in their history AND the 2nd for them in avout 2 weeks if Wright makes that play, a play he's made many times before.

I also saw deGrom shut out the Padres in Petco in 2018 for 7 and a third, allowing just 5 hits, no runs, 8 Ks in a 5-1 victory.

Now, let me tell you, I've only been to maybe 4 professional Mets regular season games, and half of them were guys throwing absolute gems in their Cy Young seasons. Pretty cool, right?

Mets you thought were going to be absolute stars but completely fizzled. I thought Jordany Valdespin was going to be tremendous.

Another: Lastings Milledge.

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Mets you thought were going to be absolute stars but completely fizzled. I thought Jordany Valdespin was going to be tremendous. Another: Lastings Milledge.

Fernando Martinez
Alex Escobar
Jay Payton (who wasn't bad)
Prentice Redman
Jason Tyner
Alex Ochoa
Mike Pelfrey
Phil Humber
Generation K (Izzy was good)

so many failed prospects who I thought were going to be elite

Was another I thought would take off. Great power but could never put it all together.

I think thought Davis was going to hit 4 or 5 hundred Mets homers, just didn't happen.

Highly touted coming up.

R.I.P.

has to be on that list. Even though a relief pitcher, have to included Tug McGraw on the list of great Met's pitchers.

here's an update on one. Remember Shortstop, Gavin Cecchini? He was a first round pick (#12 overall) in the 2012 draft. He got called up a couple of times and made 89 plate appearances for the Mets in 2016 and 2017. He's now playing for my hometown minor league team (Rocket City Trash Panda's). He's not doing bad, but I think his MLB days are behind him. The Trash Panda's are the AA affiliate for the Angels and this is their first year in the Southern League of MiLB. BTW... Jay Bell (former Met) is the coach of this team.

In comment 15283636 Mike in NY said:

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R.I.P.

That’s a little different than fizzled. Cole would have been an All-Star if he didn’t die. He was unreal. Age 21 season between high-A and AA. 137 games, 104 runs, 35 doubles, 7 triples, 19 HR, 86 RBI, 69 steals, .301 BA. Great article on him that I read about once a year.


Link - ( New Window )

are Gen K, as mentioned. Pulsipher, Isringhausen, and Wilson. A quick lesson on the fragility of pitching prospects.

And Butch Huskey

In comment 15283453 KDavies said:

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I would trade him for Harvey

I wouldn't trade a bag of balls for Harvey. I feel bad for the guy, but Harvey is done. 31 ER's over the last 19 IP, how long before he is DFA'd?

In comment 15283500 pjcas18 said:

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1985 is the best pitcher season I've seen, only one that I'd consider might be better is Pedro's 1999. deGrom's 2021 could give both a run for their money but Doc pitched 276 innings which is a 70's throwback #. deGrom will never pitch that much. deGrom's 2018, and Seavers 1971 are IMO just below Doc's 1985. If it's career I'd probably say deGrom is already past Doc and close to Seaver. it's a matter of time if deGrom stays healthy.

I agree. 1985 Doc ranks up there with '68 Gibson and '99 Pedro. He was unhittable. Imagine if he didn't have to pitch in day games!

In comment 15283688 Section331 said:

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In comment 15283500 pjcas18 said: Quote: 1985 is the best pitcher season I've seen, only one that I'd consider might be better is Pedro's 1999. deGrom's 2021 could give both a run for their money but Doc pitched 276 innings which is a 70's throwback #. deGrom will never pitch that much. deGrom's 2018, and Seavers 1971 are IMO just below Doc's 1985. If it's career I'd probably say deGrom is already past Doc and close to Seaver. it's a matter of time if deGrom stays healthy. I agree. 1985 Doc ranks up there with '68 Gibson and '99 Pedro. He was unhittable. Imagine if he didn't have to pitch in day games!

Yeah by every advanced metric out there, Doc's 85 season was the best in Mets history.

Johan's 2008 and Pedro's 2005 even make the Mets top 10 pitching WAR season list.

1. Dwight Gooden • 1985 12.2
2. Tom Seaver • 1973 10.6
3. Tom Seaver • 1971 10.2
4. Jacob deGrom • 2018 9.9
5. Jon Matlack • 1974 9.1
6. Jacob deGrom • 2019 8.0
7. Tom Seaver • 1975 7.8
8. Tom Seaver • 1969 7.2
9. Johan Santana • 2008 7.1
10. Pedro Martinez • 2005 7.0

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are Gen K, as mentioned. Pulsipher, Isringhausen, and Wilson. A quick lesson on the fragility of pitching prospects. And Butch Huskey

The difference with Generation K is they never ACTUALLY delivered on the hype in the big leagues..

Harvey was THE man and had the persona to be the biggest star in NY.

Truly remarkable fall from dominance.

Complete bust. I'd say Paul Wilson & Jay Payton were the next two

In comment 15283595 allstarjim said:

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Mets you thought were going to be absolute stars but completely fizzled. I thought Jordany Valdespin was going to be tremendous. Another: Lastings Milledge.

Gregg Jefferies is at the top of this list for me. He ended up having a somewhat decent career, just not with the Mets. But I thought he was going to be a star.

Already mentioned, but I thought Phil Humber was going to be a star too. I remember when they drafted him out of Rice watching clips and he looked tremendous.

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In comment 15283688 Section331 said: Tom Seaver • 1969 7.2 Tom Seaver • 1971 10.2 Tom Seaver • 1973 10.6 Tom Seaver • 1975 7.8

Appreciate the list!!
But how have I gone this long and never knew that Seaver was actually the first Saberhagen?? That’s incredible!!

Jason Tyner being more of a speedster with a questionable bat and absolutely zero or close to zero power. I never thought of him highly even though he was a first rounder.

was the next Manny Ramirez.