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trueblueinpw : 6/11/2021 7:55 am
According to this article (and I have no idea is this if a credible source), the Giants are eligible to be on HBO’s Hard Knocks.

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There are specific criteria to meet in order for a team to be featured on “Hard Knocks.” Per The Swing of Things, the criteria are that no teams who were in the playoffs in the last two seasons, no teams with a first-year head coach, no teams which have been featured on “Hard Knocks” in the last 10 years will be eligible for “Hard Knocks.” The five teams meeting that criteria in 2021 are the New York Giants, the Denver Broncos, the Dallas Cowboys, the Carolina Panthers, and the Arizona Cardinals.


I think this would be really great. I’d love to see DJ and the Judge and everyone else.
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They have been eligible for years....  
George from PA : 6/11/2021 8:00 am : link
Poor records do that....but Mara holds a ton of say....and they stay clear of tge Giants
When is it announced?  
CMicks3110 : 6/11/2021 8:01 am : link
I would love for them to do it this year. I think we have an up and coming team, a lot of training camp battles, and it would be good from a historical record to look back on. I know my Jets friends loved it when they did it a few years back.
Hopefully it’s still a hard no  
UConn4523 : 6/11/2021 8:06 am : link
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RE: Hopefully it’s still a hard no  
Sec 103 : 6/11/2021 8:10 am : link
In comment 15284410 UConn4523 said:
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Can't agree more!!!
What we don't need is another tent in the circus
Definitely  
Big Al : 6/11/2021 8:14 am : link
Yes.
As an interested party...sure, but its horrible for competitiviness  
George from PA : 6/11/2021 8:16 am : link
Adds turmoil....and would do nothing to help Giants become better...

Balancing it all out....no way.
Gotta be Dallas  
jpkmets : 6/11/2021 8:16 am : link
with Dak coming back and usual Jerrah presence.

Prefer no unneeded distractions for us. But I’ll definitely watch if it is us.
I don't know about you guys  
robbieballs2003 : 6/11/2021 8:17 am : link
But this could be a legit possibility, whether it is this year or another year.

Look at what Judge did last year. This team was more accessible to the fans than ever before. Remember all the videos last year like him walking around the stadium to show how they adapted to all the covid protocols? What about this year with the scouting and draft process? I think Judge is embracing these situations. And, imo, Mara will do what Judge wants. He will support his HC.
Oh gawd no!  
Big Blue '56 : 6/11/2021 8:23 am : link
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Please no  
US1 Giants : 6/11/2021 8:24 am : link
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Sure, sounds fine.  
Jimmy Googs : 6/11/2021 8:26 am : link
Hey, it's not as if not being selected has helped...
Do the teams get to choose?  
Heisenberg : 6/11/2021 8:30 am : link
I could definitely see the Giants getting picked. Lots of storylines

* Rehabbing Saquon
* 3rd year QB with a lot to prove
* Head coach that's good on TV and with some unconventional background and processes
* Big FA splashes
* Gettleman with a lot to prove

I pretty much feel at this point that it's gonna happen. I, for one, would love it.
I'm always astounded by the amount of people in these threads  
Stu11 : 6/11/2021 8:30 am : link
That don't want us to do it. I'm not a religious watcher of the series. I've watched some over the years. I think it would be so much fun seeing the inner workings of the organization and coaches preparing and get to know the players on a more personal level. To me that adds to the fan experience. I loved it when they had one for the Devils training camp a few years back on the NHL network. I was riveted. I may be mistaken but there's seems to be no consistent track record that it affects the team's performance that year positively or negatively. What's the downside for us fans? You honestly think Judge would let camp turn into any kind of circus? It's probably a moot point any way. I'm sure it will be the Cowboys. Jerry loves this kind attention and cameras swarming around them.
It’s  
Big Al : 6/11/2021 8:30 am : link
being entertained (isn’t that what watching sports is about) versus the unproven claim that it has a negative effect on team performance.
I think..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/11/2021 8:31 am : link
Judge probably knows the difference between controlled soundbites and the videos he did last year to uncontrolled editing of full access.

Unless Mara has had a drastic change of heart, the Giants will not be on Hard Knocks in the foreseeable future. I believe they gave the NFL some access to their draft day stuff that will help appease any requests for Hard Knocks.

They still have a behind the scenes deal with the league regarding Hard Knocks.
Also what Stu said  
Big Al : 6/11/2021 8:32 am : link
just as I was posting at the same time.
And I..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/11/2021 8:33 am : link
don't care one way or another if we do it. As a fan, I'd love it.

It just isn't the reality of the situation when fans think it is a possibility.
Stupid idea.  
section125 : 6/11/2021 8:34 am : link
Not really interested in guys performing for the TV and probably neither is Judge.
RE: I think..  
UConn4523 : 6/11/2021 8:36 am : link
In comment 15284432 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Judge probably knows the difference between controlled soundbites and the videos he did last year to uncontrolled editing of full access.

Unless Mara has had a drastic change of heart, the Giants will not be on Hard Knocks in the foreseeable future. I believe they gave the NFL some access to their draft day stuff that will help appease any requests for Hard Knocks.

They still have a behind the scenes deal with the league regarding Hard Knocks.


Agreed, don’t see Judge wanting this around the team.
RE: I think..  
Big Al : 6/11/2021 8:49 am : link
In comment 15284432 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Judge probably knows the difference between controlled soundbites and the videos he did last year to uncontrolled editing of full access.

Unless Mara has had a drastic change of heart, the Giants will not be on Hard Knocks in the foreseeable future. I believe they gave the NFL some access to their draft day stuff that will help appease any requests for Hard Knocks.

They still have a behind the scenes deal with the league regarding Hard Knocks.
Shocking that the honest open NFL would have secret deals.
Hard Knocks is a strange show  
ThreePoints : 6/11/2021 8:54 am : link
in the fact they entirely ignore some positions for the entire show. I remember the Browns season focused heavily on the QB, WR, OL and LB positions. I don't think they ever even mentioned the defensive backs - corners or safeties. It's like those positions didn't exist on a football team.

For example, if the Giants were on this year, they might focus on the QB, RB, WR and CB position. We might hear very little about the tight ends, linebackers and OL - all positions I imagine diehards would want to know about.

I imagine it's an access and resource issue (HBO only has so much staff and so many cameras). But it's something I've noticed in the past.
I know I'm in the minority  
Danny Kanell : 6/11/2021 8:58 am : link
But I would LOVE it if they were chosen for the show.
RE: Hard Knocks is a strange show  
Jimmy Googs : 6/11/2021 9:00 am : link
In comment 15284449 ThreePoints said:
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in the fact they entirely ignore some positions for the entire show. I remember the Browns season focused heavily on the QB, WR, OL and LB positions. I don't think they ever even mentioned the defensive backs - corners or safeties. It's like those positions didn't exist on a football team.

For example, if the Giants were on this year, they might focus on the QB, RB, WR and CB position. We might hear very little about the tight ends, linebackers and OL - all positions I imagine diehards would want to know about.

I imagine it's an access and resource issue (HBO only has so much staff and so many cameras). But it's something I've noticed in the past.


They don't want to cover everything because it will limit their storylines that they try to cover and track over the episodes in more depth.
RE: RE: I think..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/11/2021 9:00 am : link
In comment 15284445 Big Al said:
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In comment 15284432 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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Judge probably knows the difference between controlled soundbites and the videos he did last year to uncontrolled editing of full access.

Unless Mara has had a drastic change of heart, the Giants will not be on Hard Knocks in the foreseeable future. I believe they gave the NFL some access to their draft day stuff that will help appease any requests for Hard Knocks.

They still have a behind the scenes deal with the league regarding Hard Knocks.

Shocking that the honest open NFL would have secret deals.


It isn't even that secret. From what I've been told, the steelers, Packers and Bears also have the same agreement.

RE: I know I'm in the minority  
Big Al : 6/11/2021 9:01 am : link
In comment 15284450 Danny Kanell said:
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But I would LOVE it if they were chosen for the show.
The “minority” is sometimes actually the silent majority. I think this may be the case here.
As much as I have been totally against it in the past  
Dinger : 6/11/2021 9:03 am : link
I don't care if ther're on it and actually would welcome it only as a way to jam Mara. I believe JM has the Giants best interest at heart but the longer I'm a fan the longer I feel his passion for his team isn't as fervent as it should be. The more I think about how he came up with the PSL and prices at the stadium have continued to go up even during these oh so crappy years, the more I don't care. The more I think about the last 7 years and how awful they have been as a fan, I don't care if Mara doesn't get his way. Hard Knocks is adversity. Lets see how our team does through adversity. I like Judge and think he's going to be a good HC, but if you can't handle the cameras then you don't belong in New York. They all get paid a lot of money and this is simply entertainment so let them entertain me if they aren't going to win.
RE: I'm always astounded by the amount of people in these threads  
Big Blue '56 : 6/11/2021 9:04 am : link
In comment 15284430 Stu11 said:
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That don't want us to do it. I'm not a religious watcher of the series. I've watched some over the years. I think it would be so much fun seeing the inner workings of the organization and coaches preparing and get to know the players on a more personal level. To me that adds to the fan experience. I loved it when they had one for the Devils training camp a few years back on the NHL network. I was riveted. I may be mistaken but there's seems to be no consistent track record that it affects the team's performance that year positively or negatively. What's the downside for us fans? You honestly think Judge would let camp turn into any kind of circus? It's probably a moot point any way. I'm sure it will be the Cowboys. Jerry loves this kind attention and cameras swarming around them.


I don’t really care to watch. I have never watched even one second of a Hard Knocks since its inception and most likely never will..OTOH, i haven’t watched one second of highlights or read one word about an OTA or minicamp for at least 10-15 years save for an injury report..Zero interest.

If it doesn’t disrupt anything (Hard Knocks) then fine..
RE: I know I'm in the minority  
Jimmy Googs : 6/11/2021 9:06 am : link
In comment 15284450 Danny Kanell said:
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But I would LOVE it if they were chosen for the show.


Not sure it is the minority any longer. Not advocating for it but see no harm or sound logic against it either.
The other thing..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/11/2021 9:09 am : link
I've heard is that there's a bunch of stuff going on behind the scenes for the team to be shown this year. The Cowboys are eligible and Jerrah loves the spotlight on the team, but supposedly the Jags have proactively approached the NFL about being on the show.

I've heard they are just trying to work out the situation between the two.

Now watch as I post this and Rodgers or Watson gets traded to Denver and they're the team!!
If they believe in Judge the way that I think they do  
csb : 6/11/2021 9:10 am : link
It may be the best year for the Giants to participate. Lots of story lines from the coaching staff, DJ year 3, Saquon rehab, big free agent class, O-line questions, etc.

I never wanted the Giants on Hard Knocks but I think it would be a great year to do it. Seems like it will be a very likeable group and a good representation of the Giants brand.

RE: RE: Hard Knocks is a strange show  
ThreePoints : 6/11/2021 9:12 am : link
In comment 15284451 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 15284449 ThreePoints said:


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in the fact they entirely ignore some positions for the entire show. I remember the Browns season focused heavily on the QB, WR, OL and LB positions. I don't think they ever even mentioned the defensive backs - corners or safeties. It's like those positions didn't exist on a football team.

For example, if the Giants were on this year, they might focus on the QB, RB, WR and CB position. We might hear very little about the tight ends, linebackers and OL - all positions I imagine diehards would want to know about.

I imagine it's an access and resource issue (HBO only has so much staff and so many cameras). But it's something I've noticed in the past.



They don't want to cover everything because it will limit their storylines that they try to cover and track over the episodes in more depth.


I'm sure. But I still find it strange. Sometimes a player will get featured for a few minutes in an episode, and then we never hear from him again. But then sometimes they track guys from episode to episode.

It's just weird. Like I said, the Browns season, if I recall correctly, just totally ignored the DBs. Just completely avoided them, it seemed. Maybe they were all boring, who knows.
If Giants don't plan on doing it this year, they should at least  
Jimmy Googs : 6/11/2021 9:13 am : link
take out the Super Bowl countdown clock and put it back up in the locker room...
Well run teams never appear on Hard Knocks ! They don’t make  
Ivan15 : 6/11/2021 9:13 am : link
For good TV.

Let’s see the Chiefs and see how many drunks and self-destructive personalities are associated with that team.
RE: RE: RE: Hard Knocks is a strange show  
Jimmy Googs : 6/11/2021 9:14 am : link
In comment 15284465 ThreePoints said:
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In comment 15284451 Jimmy Googs said:


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In comment 15284449 ThreePoints said:


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in the fact they entirely ignore some positions for the entire show. I remember the Browns season focused heavily on the QB, WR, OL and LB positions. I don't think they ever even mentioned the defensive backs - corners or safeties. It's like those positions didn't exist on a football team.

For example, if the Giants were on this year, they might focus on the QB, RB, WR and CB position. We might hear very little about the tight ends, linebackers and OL - all positions I imagine diehards would want to know about.

I imagine it's an access and resource issue (HBO only has so much staff and so many cameras). But it's something I've noticed in the past.



They don't want to cover everything because it will limit their storylines that they try to cover and track over the episodes in more depth.



I'm sure. But I still find it strange. Sometimes a player will get featured for a few minutes in an episode, and then we never hear from him again. But then sometimes they track guys from episode to episode.



maybe they got cut that week...

:-)
I’ve never been impressed with the show  
UConn4523 : 6/11/2021 9:21 am : link
doesn’t seem that well produced which is weird since it’s HBO. Just seems like “footage” with high quality equipment. I’ve watched bits and pieces from various seasons and it’s just not for me I guess. The NFL is over saturated anyway.
I don't know why a fan WOULDN'T want the team on Hard Knocks  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/11/2021 9:25 am : link
fans seems to scrounge for any grainy footage of practice highlights that they can of this team. This would give more access to the Giants than any other channel. Is it manufactured? Sure, but it's still access and footage.

As a fan, part of the draw to watching a team is developing an affinity for the team/players/coaches. By seeing them more on a personal level, watching them communicate with teammates in practice-- it's just more exposure to that as a fan.

Also, the idea that being on Hard Knocks affects a teams performance is unsupported by any evidence. Here is an in-depth analysis of the "Hard Knocks (Non)Effect" through 2018 https://www.eldo.co/analysis/complete-analysis-hbo-hard-knocks-effect-on-nfl-teams





Updated
2018: Cleveland went from 0-16 to 7-8-1
2019: Raiders went from 4-12 to 7-9
2020: Chargers went from 5-11 to 7-9
2020: Rams 9-7 to 10-6
RE: If Giants don't plan on doing it this year, they should at least  
mfsd : 6/11/2021 9:29 am : link
In comment 15284466 Jimmy Googs said:
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take out the Super Bowl countdown clock and put it back up in the locker room...


Hehe well done
Every  
mitch300 : 6/11/2021 9:35 am : link
Year someone starts a thread about hardknocks and most it seems do not want it. I myself really like the show and would love to see the Giants featured on it.
Didn’t we do the road to bring giants  
56n11bestever : 6/11/2021 9:41 am : link
A few years ago the giants did a documentary on the scouting team process. That might have been their way not to do hard knocks.

The year we were eligible with shurmer it was announced the day of the town hall we would not be on the show by John Mara he had a huge smile on his face. When he told us.
Paul  
UConn4523 : 6/11/2021 9:43 am : link
I don't begrudge anyone that wants it. I just don't need it and I prefer to have some sort of mystery to sports. Every time I turn the show on its not that impressive anyway so even if I wanted the Giants to do it I don't think we'd get all that much.
RE: Paul  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/11/2021 9:46 am : link
In comment 15284491 UConn4523 said:
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I don't begrudge anyone that wants it. I just don't need it and I prefer to have some sort of mystery to sports. Every time I turn the show on its not that impressive anyway so even if I wanted the Giants to do it I don't think we'd get all that much.


And at the end of the day - it doesn't mean anything if X percentage of fans want to see this or not. It doesn't even matter if there is a perception that performance is impacted.

There's a reason the NFL has had to threaten teams and make it mandatory for a certain set - because teams generally don't want to do it, and they've given some preference to the older franchises, who don't want to participate.
It would be must-see TV from most on BBI  
Jimmy Googs : 6/11/2021 9:47 am : link
including those against them doing it. And guarantee plenty of threads after each episode...
RE: RE: Paul  
Big Blue '56 : 6/11/2021 9:49 am : link
In comment 15284493 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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In comment 15284491 UConn4523 said:


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I don't begrudge anyone that wants it. I just don't need it and I prefer to have some sort of mystery to sports. Every time I turn the show on its not that impressive anyway so even if I wanted the Giants to do it I don't think we'd get all that much.



And at the end of the day - it doesn't mean anything if X percentage of fans want to see this or not. It doesn't even matter if there is a perception that performance is impacted.

There's a reason the NFL has had to threaten teams and make it mandatory for a certain set - because teams generally don't want to do it, and they've given some preference to the older franchises, who don't want to participate.


Have there been any “elite” or serious contender teams that have done this that spring to mind?
For the amount of time I spend on this site while online  
mpinmaine : 6/11/2021 10:05 am : link
It is obvious to me that I starve for anything NYG related.

I would enjoy watching it, I doubt it makes any difference in wins or losses so why not.
RE: Every  
Big Al : 6/11/2021 10:05 am : link
In comment 15284483 mitch300 said:
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Year someone starts a thread about hardknocks and most it seems do not want it. I myself really like the show and would love to see the Giants featured on it.
i don’t think “most” is true. “It seems” is much closer to the truth. On these type of threads, the really hard core generally post against due to the perception that it will affect performance. Would people prefer that the Giants play their games in a top secret site closed to any view by the public or just be able to watch and be entertained by their team win or lose? Many posters here probably have an aversion to going against the prevailing comments they perceive may be the learned majority opinion. Or just don’t care enough to post and get into a debate,

After a few of us said yes, more and more jumped in to say yes. I think more convinced that a poll of Giants fans would overwhelmingly say yes. But as always, I may be wrong.
most fans definitely want it  
UConn4523 : 6/11/2021 10:12 am : link
I don't think there's any doubt there. I'm guessing it would be 80/20 split to be honest, possibly higher.
In the above post I meant to say  
Big Al : 6/11/2021 10:15 am : link
Play at a top secret site and win a Super Bowl,
RE: The other thing..  
BrettNYG10 : 6/11/2021 10:15 am : link
In comment 15284462 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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I've heard is that there's a bunch of stuff going on behind the scenes for the team to be shown this year. The Cowboys are eligible and Jerrah loves the spotlight on the team, but supposedly the Jags have proactively approached the NFL about being on the show.

I've heard they are just trying to work out the situation between the two.

Now watch as I post this and Rodgers or Watson gets traded to Denver and they're the team!!


Interesting stuff, thanks for sharing.
RE: RE: Paul  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/11/2021 10:47 am : link
In comment 15284493 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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In comment 15284491 UConn4523 said:


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I don't begrudge anyone that wants it. I just don't need it and I prefer to have some sort of mystery to sports. Every time I turn the show on its not that impressive anyway so even if I wanted the Giants to do it I don't think we'd get all that much.



And at the end of the day - it doesn't mean anything if X percentage of fans want to see this or not. It doesn't even matter if there is a perception that performance is impacted.

There's a reason the NFL has had to threaten teams and make it mandatory for a certain set - because teams generally don't want to do it, and they've given some preference to the older franchises, who don't want to participate.


FMIC, I don't give much weight to the idea that because teams generally don't want to do it, that I should interpret it as a bad idea.

There are a lot of things that teams don't want to do with regard to giving access. Many teams/coaches would rather not have to give press conferences, or answer any questions to the media about any type of decision (on the field, personnel, etc.). They'd rather keep everything completely under wraps.

But the only reason sports exist is to serve as entertainment for fans. And what adds to the entertainment of what happens between the lines for 60 minutes is learning about what went into those decisions, what the teams are doing in preparation of those actions, personal connections to the players and the team, storylines, narratives, etc.

This isn't to suggest that there shouldn't be boundaries, just that if every decision about access were completely left up to the desires of coaches and front offices, sports as a whole would be a lot less interesting.
I understand that.  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/11/2021 11:05 am : link
And as a fan, I'd watch this.

But there's been way too much discussion about how the ownership of some of the more established teams doesn't want to do it (and the league is tacitly helping them) that whenever people post that we might be on the show, that won't happen unless a significant change takes place.
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