Giants eligible for Hard Knocks

Parcells type mentality that football is some kind of stealth warfare, and somehow it puts you at some competitive disadvantage if one iota of info from practices slips out to the public. I'm in my 50's and loved that era but have evolved. I mean the days of Parcells having snipers in the upper deck looking out for practice spies are long gone. Like FMIC says though it's most likely a moot point any way because the organization has avoided the shown like the plague.

I agree that Mara gets preferential treatment and would likely be able to avoid the show better than other franchises.

Thank you.

In comment 15284565 PaulBlakeTSU said:

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I agree that Mara gets preferential treatment and would likely be able to avoid the show better than other franchises.

And I'm sure if Judge really pushed to do it, they might relent. But if he's from the same mindset as Little Bill, I don't see that happening. And it isn't anything I've heard yet.

The Giants have given access for certain things in the past where they can lean back on the point that they've helped out without having to go all the way on Hard Knocks.

I think there is a certain arrogance that somehow the Maras or the Giants are somehow better than other franchises and I just don't buy into it. That it somehow means they should get preferential treatment.

I enjoy Hard Knocks because I like the extra footage of practices, learning more about the players on a personal level, seeing them beneath the pads. And every year I watch it I think "would be nice if it could be for the team I actually root for."

This isn’t like putting a live stream in the locker room. The show, like all reality based TV, is highly produced. Hard Knocks isn’t scripted but the content and storylines and what’s broadcast is managed by the teams. The NFL is the most media savvy and media aware (and I think successful) of all professional sports. If Hard Knocks were in any way shape or form bad for business the league would have put the kibosh on it long ago.

For me, I think the Giants would be stupid not to want to be on this show. It could go a long way to restoring the long standing mystique (myth?) of Giants franchise exceptionalism. The real question, in my mind, is whether or not the Giants PR team is capable of leveraging such a tremendous opportunity. Can Big Blue evolve past a hand written letter to a disgruntled season ticket holder? Lord knows that they’ve got more than few of those these days.

In comment 15284408 George from PA said:

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Poor records do that....but Mara holds a ton of say....and they stay clear of the Giants

Actually, that's not true. They were not eligible in 2016-2018 (had first year coach in 2016, made playoffs in 2016 so not eligible for 2 years) or 2020 (first year coach).

But other than that, you are dead on!

As much as I am a junkie for anything Giants related (moer!! mor!!) Please no hard knocks for the gmen.

In comment 15284569 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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In comment 15284565 PaulBlakeTSU said: Quote: I agree that Mara gets preferential treatment and would likely be able to avoid the show better than other franchises. And I'm sure if Judge really pushed to do it, they might relent. But if he's from the same mindset as Little Bill, I don't see that happening. And it isn't anything I've heard yet. The Giants have given access for certain things in the past where they can lean back on the point that they've helped out without having to go all the way on Hard Knocks.

When you look at the restrictions on who they can take there's only 5 teams eligible this year. You laid out a number of teams that have an agreement as well, the chance of us being on it is smaller, but it could happen. Of course I expect us to be in playoffs next 3-5 years so its a moot point.

In comment 15284778 Zeke's Alibi said:

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In comment 15284569 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: In comment 15284565 PaulBlakeTSU said: Quote: I agree that Mara gets preferential treatment and would likely be able to avoid the show better than other franchises. And I'm sure if Judge really pushed to do it, they might relent. But if he's from the same mindset as Little Bill, I don't see that happening. And it isn't anything I've heard yet. The Giants have given access for certain things in the past where they can lean back on the point that they've helped out without having to go all the way on Hard Knocks. When you look at the restrictions on who they can take there's only 5 teams eligible this year. You laid out a number of teams that have an agreement as well, the chance of us being on it is smaller, but it could happen. Of course I expect us to be in playoffs next 3-5 years so its a moot point.

That's not exactly true. Any team can be featured. Because most teams won't do it unless they have to, the league put in the following exemptions:
1) Having first-year head coach.
2) They have a playoff berth in the past two seasons.
3) They have appeared on Hard Knocks in the past 10 years

But a team that is exempt can still be chosen if they ask to be on and are chosen.

Even though Jax has a first year HC, they have asked the NFL to be featured, and they might get their wish.

No interest, but that's me. I'd end up watching it though.

especially #2. Makes it essentially a punishment for not being good (which is exactly how I see it). No one wants this outside of a couple coaches trying to make a name for themselves. If they are going to do it it should be open to all teams regardless of circumstance.

if NYG was the Hard Knocks team.

So I hope this comes to fruition for sure.

In comment 15285008 bw in dc said:

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if NYG was the Hard Knocks team. So I hope this comes to fruition for sure.

Haha. Wish I said that ...

Not get any preferential treatment. When Jerry Jones does we all flip out here. It should be equal across the board

break ranks with the league and deny access to the cameras. If I was an owner, I would.

In comment 15285848 TommyWiseau said:

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Not get any preferential treatment. When Jerry Jones does we all flip out here. It should be equal across the board

I agree that they shouldn't, but this is kinda how business works. Name an industry where having a great relationship doesn't have its advantages. Fair or unfair that's pretty much a rule that's stood the test of time.

And to Sneakers' point I wouldn't be at all surprised if Mara behind closed doors states that he will deny access and welcomes any fines that come along with it. NFL has to weigh how hard to press that issue which I imagine they wouldn't want to, publicly.