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NGT: Philip Rivers talking ‘team’ to NC St.

Spider56 : 6/11/2021 8:16 am
He never won the big one, but 21 years of college and pro ball without missing a game. And he’s got 9 kids (with the same wife). I think he’ll be a good coach one day too but I’ll always wonder how he would have done with the Giants.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/11/2021 8:24 am : link
Not sure his personality would've meshed well with NY media. I think he landed in perfect place in San Diego, where there is little media/people are much more laid back.
Reminds me a little of Stafford....never played big in big games  
George from PA : 6/11/2021 8:26 am : link
Would not have been a good mix with NY media
have to admit  
Dr. D : 6/11/2021 8:52 am : link
I was surprised he never missed a game.

There's no way of knowing if Rivers would've gotten it done in the big games of '07 and '11, the way Eli did.

To paraphrase the Beach Boys - God only knows what we would've been without Eli.
If the trade wasn't proposed before the draft he never would have  
Blue21 : 6/11/2021 8:54 am : link
been a Giant. It would have been Big Ben.
RE: Reminds me a little of Stafford....never played big in big games  
ATL_Giants : 6/11/2021 9:05 am : link
In comment 15284426 George from PA said:
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Would not have been a good mix with NY media

re: Stafford, I think he played big in important games. His team may not have squeeked out the wins, and I'm not suggesting he's an all-timer, but I wouldn't encapsulate him that way.
Eli in the Big Games  
Samiam : 6/11/2021 9:06 am : link
I don’t think there are many QBs who could have done what Eli did in the big games. That said, and this is coming from a huge Eli fan, Rivers might have been a better QB over the totality of his career. Same for Big Ben. I never thought Rivers would have been successful because his arm motion was awkward to me. But, he had a very good career on what was probably a much weaker team than the Giants were once Coughlin got the team going in the right direction.
MY IMPRESSION of Rivers, was he was above average during  
Dinger : 6/11/2021 9:07 am : link
the regular season and MAYBE he'd get through a not so grueling playoff game, but when the chips are down, and you need someone to lead the team in the fourth quarter of a big game he WAS NOT the one you'd want. Crumples like an aluminum foil hat.
He's way better than Stafford could dream of  
McNally's_Nuts : 6/11/2021 10:14 am : link
Rivers played with a torn up knee in that 2007 AFCCG while Tomlinson kept his helmet on and jacket on while sitting on the bench for the whole game.
I think he would have been really good as NY Giant  
Jimmy Googs : 6/11/2021 10:28 am : link
and many here would have loved his fiery, competitive attitude...
RE: If the trade wasn't proposed before the draft he never would have  
PatersonPlank : 6/11/2021 10:28 am : link
In comment 15284448 Blue21 said:
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been a Giant. It would have been Big Ben.


Yep this is right. We had Big Ben rated close to Eli (supposedly). Rivers was considered below them. The only reason we took Rivers was that was who SD wanted. Big Ben would have been the pick if Eli was sticking in SD.

Imagine Big Ben in NYC, LOL.
He tore his ACL and MCL in the 2008 playoffs  
Metnut : 6/11/2021 10:43 am : link
and somehow managed to play in the AFC Championship game vs the Pats the next week.

Guy was a warrior and a stud. We would’ve loved him here. Glad we ended up with Eli though.
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Jim in Tampa : 6/11/2021 10:51 am : link
In comment 15284423 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Not sure his personality would've meshed well with NY media. I think he landed in perfect place in San Diego, where there is little media/people are much more laid back.

I never quite understood this thinking.

Rivers had a fiery personality, confident personality that does tend to play well in NY. I doubt he would have melted under media pressure.

If we could create an alternate timeline where Rivers was the Giants QB all those years and Eli had remained a Charger...and this thread was instead about Eli, I'll bet a number of posters would have a far different take on the type of personality it takes for a QB to succeed in NY.

In this alternate reality posters would be saying that Eli had a great career and was a great QB, but he would never have succeeded in NY because he was too laid back.

I liked him a lot as a prospect...  
sb from NYT Forum : 6/11/2021 10:59 am : link
...Fiery leader with A+ accuracy and a strong enough arm.

Between A+ accuracy and A+ arm strength, I always prefer accuracy, so long arm strength isn't average or worse.

Not sure how he'd do in NY though. I could see some reporters/WFAN hosts purposefully antagonizing him to get him to say something backpage worthy.
All three had great careers  
Lines of Scrimmage : 6/11/2021 11:19 am : link
and I think they would have had great success wherever they went amongst the three teams. The big thing all three had were outstanding coaches their first few years to get things in place for success. The Steelers did the best job over the duration of providing the best supporting team imv.

I think Rivers is actually going to be a High School coach.

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Ivan15 : 6/11/2021 11:58 am : link
In comment 15284423 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Not sure his personality would've meshed well with NY media. I think he landed in perfect place in San Diego, where there is little media/people are much more laid back.


Do you think Big Ben would have fit better with the media? That media compatibility crap is overrated. The media only cares about writing stories that sell newspapers and now get hits. It is all about advertising space.
Outside of the media issue  
Joe Beckwith : 6/11/2021 12:25 pm : link
He likely would have done well enough under the late Jim Fassel, but not as well under TC.
But while I think his accuracy would have won more regular season games, I’m not sure Reese would have gotten him the kind of talent Smith got him in SD to be any better here than he was there, though all things being equal, I think we are 10-6 or 11-5 in ‘07.
That said, it worked out well. For the Giants.
RE: Reminds me a little of Stafford....never played big in big games  
Tuckrule : 6/11/2021 12:56 pm : link
In comment 15284426 George from PA said:
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Would not have been a good mix with NY media


Did you miss the championship game vs pats when Tomlinson couldn’t play and rivers had a torn acl
Opinion.  
TLong : 6/11/2021 5:35 pm : link
Eli, Ben, Phil: any one of the three would have had great success when the NY Giants had a good GM, great coaches and a great supporting cast on the field.
Any one of the three would have suffered a lapse of success
when the management staff and then the team went down hill.
It's a team game! Good QBs with good teams win.
I wish all three great success in their post-playing careers because I admired the talent of all three.
Rivers  
spike : 6/11/2021 8:31 pm : link
is building his own football team, with his wife
RE: I think he would have been really good as NY Giant  
SomeFan : 6/11/2021 11:06 pm : link
In comment 15284524 Jimmy Googs said:
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and many here would have loved his fiery, competitive attitude...

Agree with this
All good 3 QBs in the draft  
upnyg : 6/13/2021 1:26 pm : link
I'll take the known and the 2 SBs with Eli.
I think his wife  
pjcas18 : 6/13/2021 2:48 pm : link
having 9 kids is more or just as impressive as him never missing a game.

Though Rivers did play the AFC CG vs the Pats in 2008 (SB XLII was next game) with a torn ACL. Might have been better for SD if he didn't play.
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