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NFT: Euro 2020 starts today!

Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 6/11/2021 9:37 am
A year later, the Euros gets underway with Italy v Turkey. Always has been my favorite tournament even with the expanded format.

Although France are heavy favorites, I think with the amount of soccer played these last 14 months that players are tired and any team can get hot and make a run.
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France Germany Euro 2020 final.  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/16/2021 1:17 pm : link
Watching Turkey right now, I’m really wondering how good Italy actually is. Portugal is a 1 man show practically and Spain can’t finish.
Bale hasn’t finished in ages, one of the reasons I liked Turkey today  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/16/2021 1:20 pm : link
but man is their back line and goalie look suspect.
RE: France Germany Euro 2020 final.  
giantBCP : 6/16/2021 1:30 pm : link
In comment 15287646 Zeke's Alibi said:
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Watching Turkey right now, I’m really wondering how good Italy actually is. Portugal is a 1 man show practically and Spain can’t finish.


Unbeaten in 28 games. 9 straight clean sheets.
I'm a novice regarding the sport but I'm getting more into it  
montanagiant : 6/16/2021 1:50 pm : link
I do watch the World Cup every time and every now and then a Premiership game but this is my first year watching Euro. Only been to one live upper echelon match and that was Dortmund vs Bayern Munich back in 2013. So

So my opinion is purely from that standpoint. What I saw with Portugal was a team that was very crisp and quick with their passing especially when they were pressing. I thought Spain looked good but blew some real chances. France looked very good but I had not watched them until yesterday for the 1st time so that was after my earlier Portugal post. I thought Germany did well but I can't shake the fact they lost to N. Macedonia a couple of months ago. Looking forward to watching Italy for the first time.
RE: France Germany Euro 2020 final.  
Blue92 : 6/16/2021 1:53 pm : link
In comment 15287646 Zeke's Alibi said:
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Watching Turkey right now, I’m really wondering how good Italy actually is. Portugal is a 1 man show practically and Spain can’t finish.

I disagree about Portugal. They have several good players who are prominent fixtures at top clubs. They can certainly beat Germany, though France is a different story. They look like they're a cut above the rest of the field.
RE: Bale hasn’t finished in ages, one of the reasons I liked Turkey today  
montanagiant : 6/16/2021 1:53 pm : link
In comment 15287652 Zeke's Alibi said:
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but man is their back line and goalie look suspect.

Bale sure looked good these last 2 minutes though
Burak for Turkey  
Bricktop : 6/16/2021 1:57 pm : link
was absolute dog shit. He couldn't have played worse.
Wales scores in stoppage time to make it 2-0  
giantBCP : 6/16/2021 1:57 pm : link
I don’t really agree with third place teams qualifying, but with goal difference weighing so highly on the tie breakers for 3rd place qualification, it adds a nice element to these group stage games where teams are not only going for results.
RE: Wales scores in stoppage time to make it 2-0  
Blue92 : 6/16/2021 2:01 pm : link
In comment 15287679 giantBCP said:
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I don’t really agree with third place teams qualifying, but with goal difference weighing so highly on the tie breakers for 3rd place qualification, it adds a nice element to these group stage games where teams are not only going for results.

True. You also get situations like Group F, which will essentially turn into a contest to see who can thump Hungary the most.
RE: France Germany Euro 2020 final.  
bw in dc : 6/16/2021 2:03 pm : link
In comment 15287646 Zeke's Alibi said:
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Watching Turkey right now, I’m really wondering how good Italy actually is. Portugal is a 1 man show practically and Spain can’t finish.


Portugal is not a one man show at all. Silva, Felix, Jota, Dias have all won major trophies with their teams and contributed.
RE: RE: Bale hasn’t finished in ages, one of the reasons I liked Turkey today  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/16/2021 2:07 pm : link
In comment 15287674 montanagiant said:
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but man is their back line and goalie look suspect.


Bale sure looked good these last 2 minutes though


He looked good all game, guy just doesn’t score anymore. 13 caps in a row without a goal.
Spain was third in xG of all teams (behind Portugal and Austria)  
Go Terps : 6/16/2021 2:13 pm : link
That's despite playing a team that completely parked the bus. Sweden created two chances (both by the super talented Isak...big clubs should be all over this guy).

I don't think Spain wins the tournament, but I expect them to get out of the group comfortably. I wouldn't do much different against Poland or Slovakia than they did against Sweden. Advancing in this tournament is about keeping clean sheets.

I'd tier the contenders like this:

1. France
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2. Italy
3-6. Spain, England, Portugal, Belgium in any order
7. Germany
8. Netherlands

It's gonna be tough for anyone to beat France. Kante is the best player in the world and Mbappe is Thierry Henry all over again.
RE: RE: France Germany Euro 2020 final.  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/16/2021 2:14 pm : link
In comment 15287660 giantBCP said:
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In comment 15287646 Zeke's Alibi said:


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Watching Turkey right now, I’m really wondering how good Italy actually is. Portugal is a 1 man show practically and Spain can’t finish.



Unbeaten in 28 games. 9 straight clean sheets.


That might have been a little confusing. I was referring to people talking about them on Frances level right now (which IMO is a cut above the rest) A 3-0 shellacking of what was considered a solid Turkey team solidified that a bit. The odds have come way down on Switzerland so I think this is a much better test if they belong on that top tier with France.
If KDB is 100%  
Bricktop : 6/16/2021 2:29 pm : link
I'd put Belgium slightly ahead of Italy.
One other note about Spain  
Go Terps : 6/16/2021 2:41 pm : link
Morata is being absolutely murdered in Spanish media, and a lot of that is fair...he's a striker and his main job is to score goals. He can't miss that sitter...just can't. I've never been his biggest fan because he has always lacked that killer instinct that the top strikers have.

I will give the guy credit for the rest of his game though. He works his ass off pressing, moving off the ball, chasing lost causes...he's a big part of the reason Spain had 80-whatever percent of the possession. If they replace him with Moreno (a better finisher, but maybe not as good in these other areas), I think it's going to cost them in their ability to hold the ball.

Because of how they play Spain is rarely going to be around a lot of goals either scored or conceded - they're going to have a lot of the ball and opponents are going to sit deep. That's just how they play. They hold the ball to defend and exhaust opponents...not to create a million scoring chances.

This team is really young and inexperienced so I expect that'll cost them in this tournament. But they might be really good in the next couple tournaments.
Terps  
Blue92 : 6/16/2021 2:46 pm : link
Is that the same Isak who was with Dortmund a few years back? From what I remember, he was talented but could never quite break through but he would have only been ~17/18 at the time if it's indeed the same player.

Spain, like Germany, has sort of fallen back to the top end of the tier 2 teams in Europe. I would put Portugal ahead of both at this point in time.
RE: Terps  
Del Shofner : 6/16/2021 2:51 pm : link
In comment 15287746 Blue92 said:
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Is that the same Isak who was with Dortmund a few years back? From what I remember, he was talented but could never quite break through but he would have only been ~17/18 at the time if it's indeed the same player.


Yes, same Isak. And he was 17-18 at the time (with Dortmund). He sure looked good the other day.
Switzerland’s only chance of scoring is going to be down the side  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/16/2021 3:19 pm : link
over the top getting Chielinni in space. Other than that Italy looks like a very well oiled machine.
Amazing from Locatelli  
giantBCP : 6/16/2021 3:27 pm : link
He was the player that played the ball out wide to Berardi, and he followed up down field and ended up with the goal.
This might be the best Italian team in my lifetime  
Giants in 07 : 6/16/2021 3:29 pm : link
Still very solid defensively as always.. but I can't remember them ever having an offense quite like this
Shaqiri looks like a guy thae guy that plays fullback on your  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/16/2021 3:36 pm : link
average high school football team.
RE: Terps  
bw in dc : 6/16/2021 3:36 pm : link
In comment 15287746 Blue92 said:
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Is that the same Isak who was with Dortmund a few years back? From what I remember, he was talented but could never quite break through but he would have only been ~17/18 at the time if it's indeed the same player.

Spain, like Germany, has sort of fallen back to the top end of the tier 2 teams in Europe. I would put Portugal ahead of both at this point in time.


Agree on Germany. I think they are lacking any real scoring threats. Muller has been a great player, but no longer. Do you trust Werner as a go-to striker?

I like Sane's pace and athleticism. I would use him much more...
Well the Swiss are very fortunate to only be down 1-0  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/16/2021 3:48 pm : link
but the Euro has been a tale of two halves and the Italians seemed to lose a bit of steam the last ten minutes of that half. I think the announcer got it right, only Italy's focus will defeat them in this one.
nice one!  
Del Shofner : 6/16/2021 4:10 pm : link
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That was a beautiful counter-attack by Italy  
montanagiant : 6/16/2021 4:10 pm : link
For their second goal
Swiss are playing like their namesake bankers:  
ColHowPepper : 6/16/2021 4:15 pm : link
stodgy, unimaginative, risk averse, plodding...except in one respect: execution is dismal.

Isak is such an unusual combination of length and extremely good ball skills and elusiveness in tight space.
Flags up on offside position calls  
ColHowPepper : 6/16/2021 4:35 pm : link
This has been a constant in the tourney, so it must be instruction from UEFA/FIFA:

The rule can be summarized thusly: a player can be in an offside position--it is not a violation unless that player interferes with play or with an opponent from that position. Interfering with play is engaging in active play, whether vs the opponent or making a play on the ball, not even necessarily touching it, though certainly the latter.

Flags have been going up so late, so long AFTER the player in an offside position is engaged in active play, that it can trick defenders, keepers, and other attackers into thinking there is no offsides violation and altering their approach. Just weird.
RE: Flags up on offside position calls  
Del Shofner : 6/16/2021 5:12 pm : link
In comment 15287835 ColHowPepper said:
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Flags have been going up so late, so long AFTER the player in an offside position is engaged in active play, that it can trick defenders, keepers, and other attackers into thinking there is no offsides violation and altering their approach. Just weird.


I have noticed this too and agree that it's weird. I'm wondering if AR's have been instructed to keep the flag down if there's any doubt, since VAR is available as well (kind of like NFL refs letting them play subject to video review in certain situations). The problem with that is what you say - players glance at the AR and alter their approach accordingly. I think the AR's should just call 'em as they see 'em. VAR can sort out obvious errors but the players are entitled to decisions in real time as well.
RE: RE: Flags up on offside position calls  
PatersonPlank : 6/17/2021 11:40 am : link
In comment 15287879 Del Shofner said:
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Flags have been going up so late, so long AFTER the player in an offside position is engaged in active play, that it can trick defenders, keepers, and other attackers into thinking there is no offsides violation and altering their approach. Just weird.



I have noticed this too and agree that it's weird. I'm wondering if AR's have been instructed to keep the flag down if there's any doubt, since VAR is available as well (kind of like NFL refs letting them play subject to video review in certain situations). The problem with that is what you say - players glance at the AR and alter their approach accordingly. I think the AR's should just call 'em as they see 'em. VAR can sort out obvious errors but the players are entitled to decisions in real time as well.


Even in the PL refs have taken this approach, so its really not new. Basically its the same philosophy as the NFL now does with things like fumble recoveries (as an example). They know VAR (or in the NFL's instance instant replay) is there, so they let the play continue to its end. Then they review it and make the decision. Its a lot better than stopping it right there and being wrong
Wow!!  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/17/2021 12:03 pm : link
Denmark scores 2 minutes in
terrible Belgium giveaway -  
Del Shofner : 6/17/2021 12:03 pm : link
DEN up 1-0 in the 2nd minute.
Quick goal by  
montanagiant : 6/17/2021 12:03 pm : link
Denmark
They're really letting Belgium get away with a bunch of  
montanagiant : 6/17/2021 12:08 pm : link
Grabbing and holding.
this match is in Copenhagen -  
Del Shofner : 6/17/2021 12:24 pm : link
nice for Denmark. I wonder if Koldegaard is there.
I just realized..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/17/2021 12:30 pm : link
that my conference call in 30 minutes is going to be during this game, and it is with our team in Leuven, Belgium.

I'll have to ask if their citizenship status will be revoked!
I have a couple..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/17/2021 12:49 pm : link
of friends who are refs and I asked them why so many calls on who the ball last touched are missed, and he said there's only three of us at most. Sometimes only 2.

Even at the top level, several missed deflections and who the ball last touched are missed. I wonder if the reason is the lack of people who can see it?
And KDB makes an  
Bricktop : 6/17/2021 1:13 pm : link
immediate impact. He's ridiculous.
Beautiful goal  
montanagiant : 6/17/2021 1:14 pm : link
By Belgium
Kevin DeBruyne is magnificent...  
bw in dc : 6/17/2021 1:20 pm : link
Guy has a great antenna to find open players.
He's unreal  
Bricktop : 6/17/2021 1:29 pm : link
Just unreal.
Danes are in big trouble now  
PatersonPlank : 6/17/2021 1:29 pm : link
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RE: Kevin DeBruyne is magnificent...  
Del Shofner : 6/17/2021 1:30 pm : link
In comment 15288520 bw in dc said:
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Guy has a great antenna to find open players.


He has completely changed the game since coming in.
Best player in the world  
Bricktop : 6/17/2021 1:30 pm : link
And I'm not sure it's close right now.
That set play that just scored for Belgium  
montanagiant : 6/17/2021 1:30 pm : link
Was surgical
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/17/2021 1:41 pm : link
we heard two separate roars in the background while we were on the conference call. I knew they were goals. Just saw the replay of the De Bruyne goal. Awesome.
Belgium's back line is very suspect  
Bricktop : 6/17/2021 1:43 pm : link
They look pretty terrible today.
RE: Belgium's back line is very suspect  
Del Shofner : 6/17/2021 1:54 pm : link
In comment 15288548 Bricktop said:
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They look pretty terrible today.


Yes, looks like they will win today but their back line can't play like this against better scoring teams.
RE: RE: Kevin DeBruyne is magnificent...  
bw in dc : 6/17/2021 2:22 pm : link
In comment 15288532 Del Shofner said:
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Guy has a great antenna to find open players.



He has completely changed the game since coming in.


That goal was a laser.

He's just a great all-around player. Personally, I think he's the best player in the game right now.
watching the replays, Lukaku's role in both goals  
Del Shofner : 6/17/2021 3:01 pm : link
should not be overlooked. He got both sequences started even if he wasn't the assist man on either.
NED go up 1  
Del Shofner : 6/17/2021 3:11 pm : link
on a PK.
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