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than Mitch asking for 20 million per

Away from the basket cause us (a chance) to win the series. Not saying we would have won. But to take to next level you need one.

Media simply comments on other peoples rumors, in this case the note was made by J. Michael of the Indianapolis Star who noted the Hornets and Wolves had shown the most interest.

I have a little concern that he's always injured somehow, but that would definitely solve the issue of have a 5 that defenses don't respect to score.

the more miraculous it seems that we won as many games as we did this year. Payton and Noel/Taj are zeroes on offense by today's standards (or any day's standards), and Mitch doesn't space the floor at all either.

Was that reported anywhere? I know guys make outrageous money but that would be up there

dont love it dont hate it. He is a big upgrade to mitch because he can do something other then Dunk. Depends what the trade cost would be.

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Was that reported anywhere? I know guys make outrageous money but that would be up there

It's high but not shockingly so. Last off-season alone Marcus Morris got 4 for 64, Jeremi Grant 3 for 60, Bertans 5 for 80.

this summer while he has value. I think he's been way overvalued by the Knicks fanbase because he was the only glimmer of hope on the roster pre RJ draft.

Terrified of paying a guy who gets hurt all the time and can't score. He's not nearly as good as Clint Capela who makes $17M per.

addition to this team. The guy is good at everything including the 3 ball. Would be a very welcome addition and would enable them to move Mitch.

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this summer while he has value. I think he's been way overvalued by the Knicks fanbase because he was the only glimmer of hope on the roster pre RJ draft. Terrified of paying a guy who gets hurt all the time and can't score. He's not nearly as good as Clint Capela who makes $17M per.

Capela is 4 years older than Mitch. There’s not much daylight between where Mitch is now and where Capela was after three seasons. I’m not even advocating re-signing Mitch. I just think the Knicks and fans have to be more forward looking with Mitch as opposed to what he is at this very second.

is that he doesn't seem to be adding anything to his game. He brought some great skills and qualities, especially for a second-round pick, but I'm not seeing new moves, an improved outside shot, better passing... He seems to be content to be what he is and do what he does. Which would make him a valuable backup center on a good NBA team but not a starter.

than Mitch.

Watching the playoffs makes me think we should be thinking more about Will Barton as a 2/3 option in addition to the Norm Powell/Bullock/Gary Trent list of folks that often gets mentioned.

If we can land Lowry and Barton, I think we start to look a lot more potent.

Lowry/Rose
RJ/IQ
Barton/[1st rounder?]
Julius/Obi
Mitch/Taj

Get his buddy back to the Eastern conference?

He's got his strengths and weaknesses. I like his rim protection and a ability to stretch the floor. Not crazy about his rebounding or ability to stay healthy. Depending on the cost I could be on board with it. The more I think about it I'd go with Ball and either Powell or Duncan Robinson. I know the RFA thing can be tricky, I think a Ball transaction would be smoother as they have Kiara Lewis and bean pole as a point fwd. Robinson would be trickier with Miami, but I think they have to let him go cap wise if they get a big PG like Lowry or a Dame trade. You could probably add Ball and one of the other 2 for the 40-45 million range. It makes you better at pg and adds another top shooter and leaves the flexible space to add another superstar if they come available and or bring back anyone you like off the current roster or maybe trade for Turner too. It gives you talent upgrades and let's us retain most of our young guys and picks. It's a nice roster of young guys in their early 20's mixed with Randle and Powell or Hunter who are in that 25-28 yo range. It's a team that doesn't probably make the top 3 in the conference yet but it should put us in that 4-6 seed range and allows growth through maturing and adding a star if they come available.

I'm not sure I believe any rumor that Berman posts in the Post. But what do we think of Oubre. I would think they'd want to spend their money on a more consistent outside shooter.

Oubre had an awful shooting start to the season but got better. I like his toughness, his ability to drive the ball, and his athleticism.

However, would not pay him $20m+ which is what he is allegedly looking for.
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We should be in a good position. Patience

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Watching the playoffs makes me think we should be thinking more about Will Barton as a 2/3 option in addition to the Norm Powell/Bullock/Gary Trent list of folks that often gets mentioned. If we can land Lowry and Barton, I think we start to look a lot more potent. Lowry/Rose RJ/IQ Barton/[1st rounder?] Julius/Obi Mitch/Taj

I’m rooting for the Knicks to make a run at Dinwiddie and re-sign Rose, but if we can’t Dinwiddie (and we don’t trade for Dame), I do like the idea of a Lowry and Rose tag team duo at PG for 2 years while we try to find/develop a PG of the future. I’m not a huge Ball fan and wouldn’t want to commit to him as our PG of the future. Would rather go Lowry and Rose and keep our eyes peeled for other prospects in this draft or in future FA.

But Will Barton? I don’t see how he suddenly makes us “a lot more potent.” He’s probably a more well-rounded player than Bullock and overall maybe a touch better, but Bullock is absolutely the better shooter. I don’t see the benefit to signing Barton as opposed to bringing back Bullock who already has chemistry/experience w/ the team. Powell on the other hand I would definitely see as an upgrade over Bullock.

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Get his buddy back to the Eastern conference?

Are you referring to Powell or Kawhi? Haha

see this video? Not sure how recent but sounds like Hart and Lowry love Thibs, and apparently Thibs tried to draft Hart.

I think both would be good pickups.

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see this video? Not sure how recent but sounds like Hart and Lowry love Thibs, and apparently Thibs tried to draft Hart. I think both would be good pickups.

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see this video? Not sure how recent but sounds like Hart and Lowry love Thibs, and apparently Thibs tried to draft Hart. I think both would be good pickups.

I wonder what Hart's number would be, he is restricted but cant see the Pelicans matching everything..

The Lowry part was interesting to because i really didnt think Knicks had a shot at him

it is from a year ago

makes me hesitant to pay Robinson, getting absolutely abused and is useless in this game..

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makes me hesitant to pay Robinson, getting absolutely abused and is useless in this game..

Expand on that a little more? What does Gobert getting abused and making $41M a year have anything to do w/ us paying Mitchell Robinson $15-$20M? I think you’re saying they’re similar players (which I agree with) so it’s making you question if that’s the type of Center we should commit to? But if a 7’1” 250 lb all star known for his defense and rebounding is getting abused then what center wouldn’t be getting abused in that game? Or are you saying it’s better to just concede the paint and try to get a center who can at least shoot from the outside?

We don’t have to pay Mitch this year right? And he’s super cheap for this one year so why not make him play out his contract? He needs to prove he can stay healthy. And in that case I’m saying why couldn’t we get Myles Turner AND keep Robinson for this year? They’re 2 very different players and I think could be a nice one two punch at the 5 at least for this year and we’d be hedging our bets considering BOTH of them are injury prone. Just don’t know why we even have to have an “either /or” conversation at this point.

Not sure if y’all already knew this or not but he has explicitly stated he’s going to opt out this offseason (link below)! I think this would be an ideal signing and he’ll be cheaper than Ball or Lowry. Hopefully he’d like to stay in the area, he’s been here for 5 or 6 years I believe.
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The $12M option is only “half” of the going rate for a starting PG which he quotes at $20-25M... but there’s no way he’s getting that. He’s clearly smart to opt out and will get more than 12, but who the hell is giving him 20-25? I could see Ball getting that kind of money from some team out there, but not Dinwiddie considering he’s coming off of injury. I’d be happy to give him 17 or 18 though. And make it A “prove it” deal of sorts.

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Not sure why they mailed in the first two games, but here we are.

on the Kyrie ankle injury.

Watch the replay at 0:34 of the link.

He did that on KP's ACL too.


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but he has done nothing this series

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on the Kyrie ankle injury. Watch the replay at 0:34 of the link. He did that on KP's ACL too. footwork - ( New Window )

Thats a pretty big reach reading that play. Giannis wasn't even looking down, he was looking up the whole time. Seems to me the shot went up and he slid in and was was looking to box-out for the rebound.

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Thats a pretty big reach reading that play. Giannis wasn't even looking down, he was looking up the whole time. Seems to me the shot went up and he slid in and was was looking to box-out for the rebound.

He knows where he's putting his foot without having to look down.

And of course he knows he needs to make it look like an accident.

Down 15 with the ball …. And Brooklyn quits???

at one point

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Down 15 with the ball …. And Brooklyn quits???

Durant played 42 of the 44 minutes in the game to that point. Game 5 is going to be the season for both of these teams. Can the Nets get either Irving or Harden back? Can Milwaukee keep on locking the Nets down as they did twice at home

you might hurt yourself with that all time level reach on the Kyrie injury.

He did nothing deliberate, dirty or even close to any of them. That's just shitty luck, it happens.

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you might hurt yourself with that all time level reach on the Kyrie injury. He did nothing deliberate, dirty or even close to any of them. That's just shitty luck, it happens.

Exactly right. Giannis was boxing out for a rebound and it was a freak injury

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In comment 15285858 MookGiants said: Quote: you might hurt yourself with that all time level reach on the Kyrie injury. He did nothing deliberate, dirty or even close to any of them. That's just shitty luck, it happens. Exactly right. Giannis was boxing out for a rebound and it was a freak injury

Exactly. And why would Giannis intentionally put his foot there to be landed on when he could hurt himself in the process? Really weird take.

It’s a toss up at this point. Can’t wait for game five.

i wonder if Harden tries to push it

is a foul. It's a foul because it's dangerous to the player coming down.

If deemed intentional, it's a flagrant.

I didn't check the Nets' message board before forming my opinion of the Giannis/Kyrie play but, now that I have, there are certainly a number of posters seeing it as a dirty play.

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is a foul. It's a foul because it's dangerous to the player coming down. If deemed intentional, it's a flagrant. I didn't check the Nets' message board before forming my opinion of the Giannis/Kyrie play but, now that I have, there are certainly a number of posters seeing it as a dirty play.

of course they do because Kyrie got hurt, just likr we all yelled at first when Kp got hurt but in reality it wasnt dirty..

If Giannis was thr net player and Kyrie was the bucks player you think Nets fans would be calling it dirty?

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It’s a toss up at this point. Can’t wait for game five.

I thought it was over after Game 2. Tuesday will be fun. Nets need one of Harden or Kyrie. KD can't do it alone.

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i wonder if Harden tries to push it

I can't see Kyrie playing in 48 hours.

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In comment 15285881 nygiants16 said: Quote: i wonder if Harden tries to push it I can't see Kyrie playing in 48 hours.

No way. Rachel Nichols reported that Irving was in a walking boot and on crutches leaving the arena

So Portland lost 4-2 to a Denver team that looks like it’s about to get swept in the second round. Can only help fuel his desire to get out of there hopefully.

Hopefully they can finish off the sweep and give CP3 time to rest that shoulder. It's always a challenge keeping him healthy.

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Yeah that was terrible - hopefully the Suns embarrass these clowns for the rest of the game.

Beautiful.

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I cant stand Jokic and will maintain they will never win a title with him..

He always gets away with traveling, hooking is arm, pushing off with his kff hand and i dont know why

don't get the Jokic hate. I think he's so fun to watch and is such a unique player. Thrilled he won MVP.

Their league MVP in an elimination game. Great product Adam.

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Their league MVP in an elimination game. Great product Adam.

he deserved to be tossed

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don't get the Jokic hate. I think he's so fun to watch and is such a unique player. Thrilled he won MVP.

cant stand him

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In comment 15285949 moespree said: Quote: Their league MVP in an elimination game. Great product Adam. he deserved to be tossed

It's a flagrant 1 definitely. It's not a 2. But the league has changed, I suppose, so it is what it is.

That being said there are a number past MVPs in the league I can think of that I have a difficult time believing would be ejected in an elimination game.

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In comment 15285951 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15285949 moespree said: Quote: Their league MVP in an elimination game. Great product Adam. he deserved to be tossed It's a flagrant 1 definitely. It's not a 2. But the league has changed, I suppose, so it is what it is. That being said there are a number past MVPs in the league I can think of that I have a difficult time believing would be ejected in an elimination game.

maybe maybe not, but the fact is he threw a hissy fit because he was having a bad game, and full wind up tried to hurt Payne, there eas no basketball play there, he tried to hard foul him. He could of easily broken Paynes nose..

His intent was to hurt Payne which is why he was ejecred

If Kyrie breaks his ankle who gives a shit to be frank about it!

I think the Suns are winning the West.

Two smaller market teams that were put together the traditional way with great scouting and drafting and smart FA signings and trades. It would be great for the league.

NBA Central
@TheNBACentral
There's concern internally about Luka Doncic’s desire to remain in Dallas long-term, per @TheAthleticNBA

Either that or they're gonna hire a few Russians

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NBA Central @TheNBACentral There's concern internally about Luka Doncic’s desire to remain in Dallas long-term, per @TheAthleticNBA

Could we see Giannis for Doncic?

no 21st or 23rd pick..

Basically capped out unless they let THJR and Brunson walk..

The only hope is KP finds his old self because no one is takong that contract on and bailing out the mavs..

Harlabob Voulgaris has a big role in the Dallas front office. I have no idea if he's a competent front office exec, but I do recall him when he was a regular with Simmons and he was extremely arrogant and full of himself.

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Harlabob Voulgaris has a big role in the Dallas front office. I have no idea if he's a competent front office exec, but I do recall him when he was a regular with Simmons and he was extremely arrogant and full of himself.

I read that story too. I can't see how he's a competent exec with no league experience. He was telling Carlisle who to play and what his rotations should be? Insanity.

it basically says that Luka will sign his super max but that the mavs window to build around him will be that extension (5 years). So he isnt leaving anytime soon.

the 4+1 max deal from the team that drafts them. But now that the money is so huge in the first few years of the extension, I wonder if players will start asking for 3+1 or even 2+1 deals so that they have more control over their career earlier.

a big-money extension.

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a big-money extension.

He's already loaded from the Duke money

and I have no idea what mental gymnastics you have to do to come to the conclusion that was a dirty play or somehow intentional on Giannis's part.

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no 21st or 23rd pick.. Basically capped out unless they let THJR and Brunson walk.. The only hope is KP finds his old self because no one is takong that contract on and bailing out the mavs..

He would be taking a pretty big financial risk, but barring a career ending injury he would make most of that money back in a few years. But I think he should he at least consider it.

Like you said the Mavs are pretty locked into that roster and honestly he should be an even bigger star than he is. Maybe a bigger market could be that enticing but I'm probably just being a wishful Knicks homer.

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In comment 15286209 nygiants16 said: Quote: no 21st or 23rd pick.. Basically capped out unless they let THJR and Brunson walk.. The only hope is KP finds his old self because no one is takong that contract on and bailing out the mavs.. He would be taking a pretty big financial risk, but barring a career ending injury he would make most of that money back in a few years. But I think he should he at least consider it. Like you said the Mavs are pretty locked into that roster and honestly he should be an even bigger star than he is. Maybe a bigger market could be that enticing but I'm probably just being a wishful Knicks homer.

Doubt he doesnt sign an extension, i could see him signing the extension and then in a couple of years asking for a trade

the competition commitee will discuss hoe to get those cheap drawing of fouls done by offenisve players around the league

I still wouldn't trust Milwaukee in a spot like this, but that's an awful lot to overcome for Brooklyn (barring some Willis Reed moment).

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And Durant might just go for 50 and win the game by himself.

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is a foul. It's a foul because it's dangerous to the player coming down. If deemed intentional, it's a flagrant. I didn't check the Nets' message board before forming my opinion of the Giannis/Kyrie play but, now that I have, there are certainly a number of posters seeing it as a dirty play.

You're kidding! Nets fans posting on a message board thought that a play that resulted in a Kyrie injury was dirty?

What are the odds of that?

Story is suggesting he might leave... after his 5 year extension, not that he wouldn’t sign it: it’s a nothingburger

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And Durant might just go for 50 and win the game by himself.

Or someone might criticize him on Twitter and he could cry.

There is no softer superstar in sports.

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Story is suggesting he might leave... after his 5 year extension, not that he wouldn’t sign it: it’s a nothingburger

I read that on The Athletic. Weird story...apparently Cuban hired some gambler who has an inordinate amount of sway within the organization.

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And Durant might just go for 50 and win the game by himself.

Which he might. Amazing how fast a series can swing. After Game 2, I thought the Nets were going to take out the Bucks in 5, at max.

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In comment 15286352 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Story is suggesting he might leave... after his 5 year extension, not that he wouldn’t sign it: it’s a nothingburger I read that on The Athletic. Weird story...apparently Cuban hired some gambler who has an inordinate amount of sway within the organization.

It read like the kind of story we've been used to reading about the Knicks over the last 20 years

What the Hawks did to the Knicks. Where it just becomes painfully clear the other team has more talent and over time it just slowly suffocates you to death. Honestly this series should’ve been a sweep of Doc hadn’t been late to the party with putting Simmons on Trae in game 1.

You can see Young getting slowly more and more frustrated. You could see it in his eyes after game 3 he knew he wasn’t winning this series. Notice similar to the Knicks when a players starts saying “it’s a 7 game series, first to 4 wins, etc.” it usually means they can tell they’re about to lose, they’re just searching for some way to delay their inevitable fate. I remember Julius Randle and RJ saying it, and Trae said it after game 3.

I have to say i’ve been getting a lot of guilty pleasure out of watching the Hawks slowly die and self destruct (since game 2 when Doc finally woke up). The Hawks are by far the team I hate most in the NBA right now, and this started well back in the regular season for me, not even with this past playoff series.

I still can’t believe how many people thought the Hawks suddenly had more talent than the Sixers, based solely on the fact they had more talent than the Knicks lmao

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I think the Hawks could’ve given several other remaining playoff teams some problems— but the Hawks with Simmons and Embiid are literally the kryptonite to this Trae + Capela/Collins pick n roll shit. Simmons has been Phenomenal. I’m surprised more people haven’t mentioned the fact you couldn’t pick a much better duo to defend this shit. Trae is running around like he doesn’t know what he’s doing with his life and Embiid is making Capela his bitch the way Capela made Noel/Taj his bitch. This is really really enjoyable to watch.

Of hearing the Hawks fans boo every 3 possessions thinking a travel should be called on the Sixers. Like have any of you watched basketball in the last 25 years, or ever? These are not even close to travels. If anything Trae Young is the only one in this game who hasn’t been called for traveling when he should’ve been.

That Brian Anderson is not even trying to hide the fact he wants the Hawks to win? It’s insane the difference in his reactions between the two teams’ buckets. He’s literally screaming after every Atlanta basket and then you see Dwight Howard with a massive dunk or Shake Milton with a nice And 1 and it’s crickets.

of all people just tweeted that this sounds like a Hawks broadcast.

constantly bail out Trae Young?

and i have never seen a team taunt after every single basket they make like the Hawks do, constantly chirping at either the official or the other team

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constantly bail out Trae Young? and i have never seen a team taunt after every single basket they make like the Hawks do, constantly chirping at either the official or the other team

come on the calls he gets are ridiculous, but that one on Embiid was legit. He clocked him in the head while he was still an airborne shooter.

They bailed his ass out. He was horrific in the 4th qtr. Collins made some huge hustle plays and hit a huge 3.

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I was talking more in general, but it was still a late ass call

Not calling out my earlier post for being wildly pre mature lol. But i still say the Sixers are winning this series as they’re clearly the better team. They still have the home court and Hawks got incredibly lucky— I’m pretty sure Embiid had zero FGs in the 2nd half which will never happen again. That said I’m not sure what was wrong with Embiid for that half he looked out of it and lethargic— not sure if the injury is catching up with him.

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of all people just tweeted that this sounds like a Hawks broadcast.

It was honestly the most ridiculous broadcast I’ve ever heard. And it’s weird to because I get the Hawks broadcasts all season because I live in Nashville and their crew is the most biased “team” broadcast of any team broadcast I’ve ever heard (which is saying something). They’re literally always saying NOT ENOUGH fouls are called in Trae’s favor (imagine that). So here we are with TNT broadcasts in the playoffs and for some odd reason Brian Anderson is literally orgasming after every Trae Young 3. He’s a 33% 3 shooter why do people act like it counts for 5 points every time he makes one?

And their taunting after every single basket is one of the cringiest things I’ve ever seen in pro sports.

is a 5'6“ twerp who is mostly "known" as a TBS baseball broadcaster. He's an Atlanta boot licker. It's no secret. Dude resides in Clowntown. His call tonight was absurd.

Three “pivotal game 5”s as the great Marv Albert round say

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Seems like an odd thing to do if they're not gonna trot him out there.

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Seems like an odd thing to do if they're not gonna trot him out there.

Apparently he is going to test it pregame and is pushing to play, so they had to at least upgrade him to doubtful so he has a chance..

are tricky. I'm no doctor but that can potentially go very badly for Harden if he pushes himself too much. You would think Kyrie has more of a chance to contribute, even if he's limited.

feel like I'm in some kind of Long Island time warp.

Big game tonight for the Nets. And a big game for KD.

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Surprising. Let's see how long he lasts on the court. As noted above, hamstrings can be tricky...it doesn't take much to reaggravate it.

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if he gets hurt again the Nets are going to get ripped

Puts a lot more pressure on the Nets and sends out the signal they are desperate. They probably should have waited till they faced elimination.

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Puts a lot more pressure on the Nets and sends out the signal they are desperate. They probably should have waited till they faced elimination.

If i am the Bucks i am attscking Harden every time and whoever is guarding him be as physical as possible

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It's going to be tough for them. They'll probably put him on PJ Tucker? Not a good offensive player but good enough that he can make something happen.

the superstar-orchestrated team-ups fail. It being the Nets would be icing on the cake.

Let's go Bucks.

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Definitely a precarious situation. But the thing is I can actually see Harden being one of those few players who can be effective without having to exert a ton of energy and put pressure on that hamstring. He relies a lot more on skill rather than speed and quickness. He's pretty much gonna have to just sit back and make the right passes/reads and take some step back 3's, probably shouldn't be making quick movements to drive to the basket and of course he's going to have to be careful running full speed to get back on D (that's originally how he aggravated it too). I think in half-court D he could be okay but again he's gonna literally have to be conscious of his movements at all time. Maybe if the Nets can come out the gate and hit shots it'll allow them to get back and set their D but if the pace of the game picks up at any point Harden could be in trouble.

Steve Nash just said it is Harden's decision if he wants to play, seriously?

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Steve Nash just said it is Harden's decision if he wants to play, seriously?

Idiotic thinking. I get that you don't want to piss off your stars, but the medical people need to have the final word.

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I have no dog in the fight, but what happens if Hardens hamstring tears or worse he hurts somrthing over comoensating, this really reminds me of Dursnt when he tore his achilles

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Yup. And I bet KD-if on truth serum-wouldn't have played in hindsight.

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But (and I hate the NJ Nets) never refer to them as NY in any way. But KD should have been on a team. No doubt.

Not over KD.

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But (and I hate the NJ Nets) never refer to them as NY in any way. But KD should have been on a team. No doubt.

He onlynplayed 35 games, he missed half the season

I admit it's odd that KD-who is probably top 25ish of all time-didn't make an All NBA Team, but then I remember he barely played.

Good call I thought he played like 50 as did Butler, George and Leonard. But you are right only 35.

maybe it loosens up and he starts move better, but he can barely move

Harden looks like me @ 40 on the NBA court, Haha.

Finals prediction right now...Suns vs. 76ers.

what an overpay

NBA needs to change the buyout nonsense.

Giannis was starting to roll and he takes him out? dude it is the playoffs he can rest at half time

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what an overpay

He makes all of his shots or none of them. There’s very little in between.

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In comment 15287073 nygiants16 said: Quote: what an overpay He makes all of his shots or none of them. There’s very little in between.

and he is a terrible defender, a lot different in post season when every shot is contested

Let’s see if the Bucks have grown up at all yet.

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Meltdown in progress.

Budenholzer should be fired immediately..leaving lopez in killed them defensively..

then went completely iso heavy offensively

Then completely fall apart and allow layup after layup?

He's pretty much dead coach walking.

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Then completely fall apart and allow layup after layup?

refs have started to call the game a lot tighter as well..not saying they are calling a bad game but definitely tighter

when the game becomes half court

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Yeah but it was a 10 minute layup drill. It's not like the Nets got a ton of ft's

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putting Lopez back in the game, getting absolutely destroyed by the small ball lineuo

If I were a Bucks fan I’d be throwing shit at this point.

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....against Harden.

Harden suited up. He's been beyond atrocious. That last 3 he jacked up was mind boggling. Get the F'in ball to Durant and go hide somewhere. In the 90's when Jordan was hot Scotty Pippen didn't dribble around and take shitty fade away 3's.

if they lose this series

by Durant he should be showered eith praise, playing every minute and straight up carrying this team

with an all time choke job

Unreal.

Aaaaand the deer in headlights come through again. Good luck Milwaukee rooting for this crew and actually believing they will win anything

but does anyone think the Bucks can win a Game 7?

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Aaaaand the deer in headlights come through again. Good luck Milwaukee rooting for this crew and actually believing they will win anything

locked in for the next 5 years...they will fire budenholzer and hire dantoni saying they need a better offensive system

taking out guys for 2 minutes and going to a shorter rotation..

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taking out guys for 2 minutes and going to a shorter rotation..

Gotta get the ball out of KD’s hands and if you lose because of Joe Harris or Shamet, oh well. Jrue Holliday was AWFUL down the stretch. Like embarrassingly so. He can’t take a one legged man off of the dribble?????? Budenholzer was horrendous too.

But give Nash credit for leaving Durant in there for 48. Durant can rest in August. He was their only shot tonight. Also give Jeff Green credit. His early shooting kept them in it when they easily could have been down 25.

After that game (even though only 35 games) maybe he did deserve it 😄

may have been the worst shot of the closing stretch, tie game, you have harden on you and you settle for a fadeaway...

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may have been the worst shot of the closing stretch, tie game, you have harden on you and you settle for a fadeaway...

On another late possession, Harden was guarding Brook Lopez and Lopez just stood at the three point line watching Giannis.

Not a well coached team. I still can’t believe Holliday couldn’t exploit Harden.

but I'm a little surprised he made it over guys like Tatum, Mitchell, Booker.

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But give Nash credit for leaving Durant in there for 48. Durant can rest in August. He was their only shot tonight. Also give Jeff Green credit. His early shooting kept them in it when they easily could have been down 25.

I definitely give Nash credit for the job he's done, really all year but especially in the playoffs. He hasn't been perfect but what coach is. I think how good of a job he's doing for this being his first year in coaching is being overshadowed by the fact he clearly has the most talented team. But he's really made this team often look like a well-oiled machine which actually isn't easy for a team with 3 future HOFers who all like the ball in their hands and have rarely been on the court altogether at once.

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but I'm a little surprised he made it over guys like Tatum, Mitchell, Booker.

Randle deserved it. If Tatum has a complaint, it should be with Jimmy Butler making it over him. He missed a bunch of games.

Booker and Mitchell are guards. That has nothing to do with Randle.

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I was about to say the Nets literally have the 2 best coaches in the series right now.

I’m kind of liking the idea of just staying safe and wait to sign the big money stars in 2022. Unless Kawhi becomes available of course. But if no Kawhi, I like the idea of signing Dinwiddie and Powell, and re-signing most of our own UFA guys (the ones we like lol). Let Dinwiddie start and do what Payton was supposed to do all year and Rose can go back to coming off the bench . I’d also be fine w/ them getting Myles Turner if they don’t have to give up too much— having a center who can shoot from the outside will open things up, but I’d like to also keep Mitchell Robinson too (we need both guys so one can hedge against the other’s injury risk lol).

I feel like if we do this we obviously don’t compete for a title next year, but in 2022 we’d be in prime position cap-wise to make multiple big splashes when the UFA class will be better. I mean I like Derozan but he is 32 years old do we really think he’s gonna be one of our main options in our future title run (whenever that actually becomes a realistic thing lol)? Lowry is a little different story since I think he’s a guy you just bring in for like 2 years— lower risk IMO, and him and Rose tag teaming at PG for the next 2 years , we’d be in good hands while we search for /develop a PG of the future.

Who can drive and kick and get guys good looks. Powell gives us a sharpshooter who can play some good D. I’m not a huge fan of Myles Turner because he’s not a good rebounder (despite his size fooling people) but hey I can definitely see the resulting indirect and direct benefits of a center who can shoot from the outside.

Dinwiddie
Barrett
Powell
Randle
Turner

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Rose
Quickley
Bullock
Burks
Toppin
Mitch
Taj

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what an overpay

Well I mean he did shoot 47.5% from 3 this year on 6.4 attempts per game. Granted he’s choking like a shit-eating dog in this series but at least for his production in the regular season there are definitely worse-spent $20M contracts out there.

Why is Jared Butler not getting more love? He can shoot the 3, has good handle, get into the lane and finish, good passer, good defender..

Is it because he is a little bit older?

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He is absolutely a good shooter but he doesnt nothing else..

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I’m kind of liking the idea of just staying safe and wait to sign the big money stars in 2022. Unless Kawhi becomes available of course. But if no Kawhi, I like the idea of signing Dinwiddie and Powell, and re-signing most of our own UFA guys (the ones we like lol). Let Dinwiddie start and do what Payton was supposed to do all year and Rose can go back to coming off the bench . I’d also be fine w/ them getting Myles Turner if they don’t have to give up too much— having a center who can shoot from the outside will open things up, but I’d like to also keep Mitchell Robinson too (we need both guys so one can hedge against the other’s injury risk lol). I feel like if we do this we obviously don’t compete for a title next year, but in 2022 we’d be in prime position cap-wise to make multiple big splashes when the UFA class will be better. I mean I like Derozan but he is 32 years old do we really think he’s gonna be one of our main options in our future title run (whenever that actually becomes a realistic thing lol)? Lowry is a little different story since I think he’s a guy you just bring in for like 2 years— lower risk IMO, and him and Rose tag teaming at PG for the next 2 years , we’d be in good hands while we search for /develop a PG of the future.

a lot will depend on who signs extensions who are eligible for free agency in 22..

Guys like Lavine, Curry and Beal could all sign extensions

That should be a pretty attractive spot, by NBA coaching vacancy standards.

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That should be a pretty attractive spot, by NBA coaching vacancy standards.

shoukd of never been hired in the first place

to his 3rd coach in 3 years, i hope he is watching Giannis in the playoffs and works on that jump shot

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NBA Central @TheNBACentral John Calipari is 'open' to jumping back into the NBA, per @VinceGoodwill

Don't leave us, Kenny Payne.

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Thibs is not the youngest coach in the NBA, i wonder if they told Payne and Bryant they would be the leading candidates ehen zthibs decides to retire

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I know he has put up some nice stats but what a disappointment this series. Complete choke job last night and what a disaster collapse from the Bucks. All time performance from Durant but the Bucks completely blew that game.

And how does Giannis not guard Durant ever? Built like an andonis , 26 and supposedly one of the best defenders in the league? The guy is soft.

makes Beal consider asking for a trade..the wizards were really playing well to finish the season

Donnie Nelson let go in Dallas, watch Cuban hire Voulgaris as president

on a arizona radio show, said it is not suns related

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In comment 15287537 bceagle05 said: Quote: Quote: NBA Central @TheNBACentral John Calipari is 'open' to jumping back into the NBA, per @VinceGoodwill Don't leave us, Kenny Payne. Thibs is not the youngest coach in the NBA, i wonder if they told Payne and Bryant they would be the leading candidates ehen zthibs decides to retire

He is only 63 and just got his dream job, I seriously doubt he or the Knicks have discussed his retirement.

see Thibs going anywhere anytime soon. 2021 was a very strong season given expectations which means even if they stunk next season he'd almost certainly be back so you're looking at 2+ years down the line. Guys like Payne etc aren't holding out hope Thibs retires.

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see Thibs going anywhere anytime soon. 2021 was a very strong season given expectations which means even if they stunk next season he'd almost certainly be back so you're looking at 2+ years down the line. Guys like Payne etc aren't holding out hope Thibs retires.

yeah probably right

I was listening to Vernon & KOC's pod earlier...lots of talk that if Milwaukee gets bounced here, Bud is a goner, thus why some big names-Kidd, Billups, etc.-are taking their time.

about the Donnie Nelson firing tomorrow and is supposedly upset about it

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about the Donnie Nelson firing tomorrow and is supposedly upset about it

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about the Donnie Nelson firing tomorrow and is supposedly upset about it

He's still signing the max, but there's smoke in Dallas for sure.

imagine asking for a trade, but the more dysfunction with that team the better.

Fuck Porzingis, plus it drives up the value of the 2023 pick even if there are rumors he may want out.

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yeah he is signing the max but maybe he takes a shorter deal likr Lebron did

If Luka ever hit the open market...Good Lord. Teams would move heaven & earth to get a shot @ him. He's a future multiple time MVP winner.

probably change my opinion a few more times but if we keep a first this year, I think the guy I want is Duarte.

He's going to be 24, so he's pretty much a finished product, so I think that product is pretty damn good. Deadly, deadly shooter. Pretty athletic, good at getting steals.

I think he has starting potential, or at least looks like a key rotation guy early, which would be a huge boost with the 19th or 21st pick.

Kai Jones as a Noel replacement, but I think he'll be gone.

guy I really like is Jaden Springer. His game looks a lot like Brogdon imo.

No interest in Bouknight, Tre Mann, Sharife Cooper or Jared Butler.

the Hawks at the moment.

now up 1..

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76ers about to go down 3-2.

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the Hawks at the moment.

I'm available at a reasonable cost if you'd like pins stuck into the voodoo dolls of any team you don't like. @NetsAreChampions

biggest NBA playoff choke ever? Must be up there.

For not coming up with a "game plan" to stop Trae. Doc and all his brilliance and having one of the best defenders in the league has gotten his ass handed to him by Trae just Like we did.

with Atlanta down 20 in the third. Crazy.

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It's beyond obvious at this point.

embiid or simmons this offseason

I think is so over rated. Until he learns to shoot he can’t be the cornerstone.

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I think is so over rated. Until he learns to shoot he can’t be the cornerstone.

I tried to tell people

of significant value for Simmons?

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I think is so over rated. Until he learns to shoot he can’t be the cornerstone.

4 out of 14 from the line. Geez man you could put one of us at the line 14 times in an NBA playoff game I bet we hit 5.

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of significant value for Simmons?

some team would, why wouodnt a team like the kings?

A team desperate for a "star"

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In comment 15288233 Mike from SI said: Quote: of significant value for Simmons? some team would, why wouodnt a team like the kings? A team desperate for a "star"

I take it back there are some dumb teams out there, as you alluded to.

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That’s what is so crazy about “The Process” - if they break it up now people will mock them and say it didn’t work, but it did. Butler-Embiid-Simmons probably wins a title last year or this year. They could’ve won it the one postseason they were together if not for Kawhi’s three that bounced on the rim 100 times. Crazy to let him get away, and supposedly it was because he was “high maintenance.”

P.S. I know Butler wasn’t drafted, but they traded young pieces and picks to get him.

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I don’t understand how no one has at least told Simmons you’re not going to make many free throws if you’re firing line drives at the rim. Even if putting arc on the ball doesn’t feel natural to him it at least gives the ball a chance to go the fuck in.

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Yeah I feel like Simmons is the type of player that could be a 3rd all star on a perennial championship contender, but he needs 2 all stars flanking him who can both get buckets in half-court offense when needed. Embiid is one, but you need a guy like Butler too. They thought Harris could be that guy but he clearly was not ready for the moment in the playoffs here. Butker damn sure would’ve gotten buckets when they most needed it in the 4th quarter both Monday night and tonight. Even just replace Harris with Butler and the Sixers have this series won in 5. I mean it took Embiid going 0/12 in the 2nd half on Monday and then Embiid not scoring a single point in the final 8 minutes of the game tonight to blow those games this badly. If you think Jimmy Butler doesn’t close both those games out for you you’re crazy.

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He is absolutely a good shooter but he doesnt nothing else..

He's not a good shooter, he's a great shooter.

Watching him, I think he's playing through a lower-body injury of some kind. He's mostly missing short and he's not moving well.

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A UVA grad, no less. Hahaha.

according to shams

than Zion bailing on New Orleans ASAP? You could see how miserable he was on lottery night.

When he's 78.

That guy may never retire.

is a tomorrow problem, but Randle and Zion could not be a worse match.

to keep ball

was rock fucking hard talking about playing at MSG. Unlike some of these other "his uncle is from NYC" BS stories, I think he'd have the Knicks very high on his wishlist.

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is a tomorrow problem, but Randle and Zion could not be a worse match.

Randle would most likely be in the deal

I guess that’s the floor for Zion trade.

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I guess that’s the floor for Zion trade.

that trade was different, clippers would of given up 10 if they had to

he straight up asks out, there's just no way Zion gets moved and won't be a free agent for a WHILE.

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he straight up asks out, there's just no way Zion gets moved and won't be a free agent for a WHILE.

he basically has to do what porzingis did

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I guess that’s the floor for Zion trade.

They were trading for George and Kawhi. George wouldn't have been traded for that package otherwise. Unique situation.

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In comment 15288505 Jon in NYC said: Quote: he straight up asks out, there's just no way Zion gets moved and won't be a free agent for a WHILE. he basically has to do what porzingis did

And if he does that then it would be impossible for you to root for him and the Knicks. It would definitely make any success less fun and exciting as a fan. Based on that, I think you would want them to avoid Zion, right?

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In comment 15288507 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15288505 Jon in NYC said: Quote: he straight up asks out, there's just no way Zion gets moved and won't be a free agent for a WHILE. he basically has to do what porzingis did And if he does that then it would be impossible for you to root for him and the Knicks. It would definitely make any success less fun and exciting as a fan. Based on that, I think you would want them to avoid Zion, right?

Just reread this, I’m not singling you out, you’re one of the better and more level headed fans. This is directed towards the bitter/jealous Knicks fans.

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This is directed towards the bitter/jealous Knicks fans.

Justice would finally be served for the Adam Silver screwing the Knicks and rigging that lottery in favor of New Orleans! (I'm kidding)

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In comment 15288507 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15288505 Jon in NYC said: Quote: he straight up asks out, there's just no way Zion gets moved and won't be a free agent for a WHILE. he basically has to do what porzingis did And if he does that then it would be impossible for you to root for him and the Knicks. It would definitely make any success less fun and exciting as a fan. Based on that, I think you would want them to avoid Zion, right?

who the fuck you attacking? go read what i wrote on the nets thread then come back to me

See my next post, not an attack on you.

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See my next post, not an attack on you.

ok my apologies

never do it, but I'd absolutely send everyone not named RJ or Julius for Zion right now.

Obi, Mitch, IQ, 4 1sts for Zion and Lonzo on a new deal.

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never do it, but I'd absolutely send everyone not named RJ or Julius for Zion right now. Obi, Mitch, IQ, 4 1sts for Zion and Lonzo on a new deal.

you wouod probably have to take on adams or bledsoe as well and add 2 more 1sts

toppin has no value--- you have to play or be a prospect to get value--- he didn't play and is older then jaret allen.

Mitch you have to pay and he cant stay on the court. there is a reason you are ok to offer those guys---

this is a step or 2 above agbayani and peyton for sosa on WFAN in 1999

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toppin has no value--- you have to play or be a prospect to get value--- he didn't play and is older then jaret allen. Mitch you have to pay and he cant stay on the court. there is a reason you are ok to offer those guys--- this is a step or 2 above agbayani and peyton for sosa on WFAN in 1999

didnt the nets just get a top 10 player for caris levert, always hurt, and jarret allen, has to be paid?

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you were ok giving them up so by yoir definition it was a bad offer

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toppin has no value--- you have to play or be a prospect to get value--- he didn't play and is older then jaret allen. Mitch you have to pay and he cant stay on the court. there is a reason you are ok to offer those guys--- this is a step or 2 above agbayani and peyton for sosa on WFAN in 1999

yup, you need to offer a haul to get a star. Like Boston did for Kyrie. Oh wait...

never gets equal value back unless they hit on the picks, 9 times oit of 10 the team trading the star is more interested in cap relief and draft picks

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or get right back on the wheel. I'm sure he'll have a few offers.

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From everything I’ve read Luka gets along with basically…no one. Fantastic talent for sure. But that dude would be a handful to deal with.

2nd team all rookie. Had the 6th most votes, just barely missed out on 1st team.

Let’s see if they remember to play two halves tonight. Harden still not pushing it, but is putting up some points.

trying to pick up a foul on a three……

when Harden or Young complain about another player getting a foul call that they do all the time

Don’t have much faith in the Bucks winning it, but they’ve won 3.5 of the past 4 games.

as amazing as that sounds

I have no idea how close he is, does anyone know? That would be amazing if they finally get all 3 together (even if 2/3 of them are hobbled) just for game 7. My guess is he does not play though that sprain looked pretty bad.

I still can’t believe anyone picked the Bucks in this series before it started (I.e. before any of the Big 3 were injured). Nets could very well end up winning this series having had only 1.5 or 2 of their stars on the court for all but 43 seconds of game 1.

Maybe Bud finally figured it out, or Popovich called him and told him.

Game 7. Love it.

Got lame AF dry wedding Saturday that kicks off at 530 & ends at 830. This Game 7 is a great excuse to leave early. Wife will understand when I treat her out next day.

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Got lame AF dry wedding Saturday that kicks off at 530 & ends at 830. This Game 7 is a great excuse to leave early. Wife will understand when I treat her out next day.

Treat or eat?

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In comment 15288886 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: Got lame AF dry wedding Saturday that kicks off at 530 & ends at 830. This Game 7 is a great excuse to leave early. Wife will understand when I treat her out next day. Treat or eat?

Batman don't do that

Cooper, Josh Christopher, Keon Johnson, or Tre Mann with our picks. We need athleticism and skill in our backcourt, badly.

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Cooper, Josh Christopher, Keon Johnson, or Tre Mann with our picks. We need athleticism and skill in our backcourt, badly.

hate to burst your bubble but knicks are not adding 3 rookiez

for Al Horford and Moses Brown. Some second round picks exchanged, too. OKC has a billion draft picks.

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horrible trade you traded 1 bad contract for another and traded out of the 1st in a deep draft

contracts are pretty close, unless you think Kemba opts out of his last year which right now would sound crazy. Brown showed some flashes, but he needs to eat like 5K calories a day. That said i could see him easily having a better career then whoever goes 16th.

All that said i think Al fits better since BOS has Brown and tatum and really dont need another ball dominant player. Horford can do more to help the team. OVerally dont love it, but i dont think its an awful trade.

overlook Moses Brown. He has future NBA starter ability. Not having Kemba burden them is addition by subtraction.

I actually like it for the Celtics.

and now you moved it, saved $10 million in cap space, and got back a guy you like (even if he’s ancient).

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overlook Moses Brown. He has future NBA starter ability. Not having Kemba burden them is addition by subtraction. I actually like it for the Celtics.

Boston could have gotten a nice young guard to pair with tatum and brown..

you also coukd of waited until the draft

is only guaranteed about $13 million in 22/23, so there's big financial savings for Boston that year, but it might not add up to big cap savings depending on what else they do between now and then.

Going back two years, I still don't know what Philly was thinking giving Horford that huge deal.

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Cooper, Josh Christopher, Keon Johnson, or Tre Mann with our picks. We need athleticism and skill in our backcourt, badly.

I'm a UConn fan and i'm not huge on Bouknight. I don't love him for the NBA

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and now you moved it, saved $10 million in cap space, and got back a guy you like (even if he’s ancient).

save more like 6 million and it doesnt give them any room under the cap

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In comment 15288960 shockeyisthebest8056 said: Quote: and now you moved it, saved $10 million in cap space, and got back a guy you like (even if he’s ancient). save more like 6 million and it doesnt give them any room under the cap

It’s still money you’re not spending on a guy you don’t want on your team anymore. (Also a guy who people didn’t think could be moved.) Now it’s time to move Marcus Smart and Tristan.

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In comment 15288968 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15288960 shockeyisthebest8056 said: Quote: and now you moved it, saved $10 million in cap space, and got back a guy you like (even if he’s ancient). save more like 6 million and it doesnt give them any room under the cap It’s still money you’re not spending on a guy you don’t want on your team anymore. (Also a guy who people didn’t think could be moved.) Now it’s time to move Marcus Smart and Tristan.

but why do it now? they didnt HAVE to move kemba, you could of waited

The team that took on Kemba’s contract with two years left is a franchise that happens to have no goals beyond acquiring all 30 first round picks of a draft and flipped the Celtics a less expensive contract of an old player the Celtics happen to like. Do you think it was going to get better than that before next offseason? I don’t. The Celtics obviously don’t want to keep Kemba around for another year and that’s fine.

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The team that took on Kemba’s contract with two years left is a franchise that happens to have no goals beyond acquiring all 30 first round picks of a draft and flipped the Celtics a less expensive contract of an old player the Celtics happen to like. Do you think it was going to get better than that before next offseason? I don’t. The Celtics obviously don’t want to keep Kemba around for another year and that’s fine.

but you basically painted yourself into a corner with this trade, you have to resign fournier, you have to trade thompson, you are not resigning smart and you are not adding a young player..

you are basically saying this is our team

and really didn’t want to keep Kemba around another year.

The alternative, if keeping Kemba around isn’t an option, was giving away even more picks or some of the young players on their roster whose value is questionable at the moment.

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and really didn’t want to keep Kemba around another year. The alternative, if keeping Kemba around isn’t an option, was giving away even more picks or some of the young players on their roster whose value is questionable at the moment.

that is the million dollar question is there something that happened that forced the celtics to trade him now

any significant cap space over the next 2 seasons. If that's the case, it comes down to which dead money player do you want on your team for 2 years? It could be that Boston knows Kemba's knee is shot and he's about to fall off a cliff. Or maybe Stevens really just wanted Horford back? Trades have been made for dumber reasons.

Is it possible for Knicks to trade for a guy like Lillard with his 43 Million dollar salary next year and make the salaries close enough without including both Toppin and RJ? Is it doable?

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Is it possible for Knicks to trade for a guy like Lillard with his 43 Million dollar salary next year and make the salaries close enough without including both Toppin and RJ? Is it doable?

Knicks dont have to match salary

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Thanks ny I tried the trade simulator on ESPN and it wouldn't work without including RJ's 8 mill.

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because they are still using this tears cap

He is, of course, no superstar, but it really astonishes me how many sports commentators either forgot or ignored the fact that Noel injured his ankle in the first game of the series, and never made it back close to being healthy. Guys, he wasn't THAT awful, considering that he was hopping on one foot.

General rule: if you want to be considered a sports expert, pretend that you actually know something.

He has very little value on the current Knicks, because Randall has to play huge minutes or the team regresses. That could change as soon as next year, of course, if the Kneaks add enough starting talent at the 1 and the 3.
Toppin is no superstar either, but he could provide reasonable value a) on a Knick team not nearly so reliant on Randle playing league-high minutes, or b) on another team substantially lacking at the 4. With Toppin's size, strength, speed, outside shot and leaping ability, he could add value to a a number of teams who are weak at the 4.

Toppin's defensive weaknesses were not nearly as bad as initially thought, and he has offensive capabilities that he can only optimize by playing more. I can easily envision him ending up with a really kickass 10-foot bank shot, for example, along with an interior jump shot, and the ability to move without the ball that most 4's don't have.

Of course, to show all of that, he would have to be traded, or Thibs would have to be convinced that Randall playing 30-32 minutes a game is better for the team over the course of a season. If that happens, Toppin might have considerably more trade value a year out than he has now.

18 1st round picks and 17 2nd round picks over the next 6 drafts. Damn. An average of 3 1sts and 3 2nds each over the next 6 years. And people say the Knicks have a bunch of draft picks. You would almost think OKC could build a pretty good team with that kind of capital. We shall see.
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They say at the beginning of the article “18 1st round licks through 2027.” It’s actually 18 through 2026, and then in 2027 they have 1 1st and 4 2nds. They have the picks listed correctly by year at the bottom of the article though.

Over the next 6 drafts (2021-2026) they have 18 1sts and 17 2nds.
Over the next 7 drafts (2021-2027) they have 19 1sts and 21 2nds.

I think ATL ends this tonight. I don't see the 76ers bouncing back after that epic choke job in Game 5. And if the 76ers do get bounced...man, no chance in hell they're running that back. I'd fully expect Simmons to get moved this summer, though the asking price might be at all time low. Dude, lock yourself in a gym all summer & learn to shoot the fucking ball. It's beyond embarrassing at this point.

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I think ATL ends this tonight. I don't see the 76ers bouncing back after that epic choke job in Game 5. And if the 76ers do get bounced...man, no chance in hell they're running that back. I'd fully expect Simmons to get moved this summer, though the asking price might be at all time low. Dude, lock yourself in a gym all summer & learn to shoot the fucking ball. It's beyond embarrassing at this point.

This Philly/Atlanta series is just super intriguing to me for some reason. I agree Atlanta definitely smells blood in the water after that embarrassing collapse by the Sixers. But it’s just interesting that it feels like the Sixers have essentially been the better team for 15 or 16 of the 20 quarters in the series and yet they’re down 3-2. I still say they’re the better team with the more favorable matchups. They can erase all of this bad juju of the last 2 games if they just play 4 solid quarters of basketball tonight. It’s gonna be tough to have short memories and every basket Philly scores to take a lead is gonna feel like it could evaporate at any second. That said— pressure is on Atlanta and they’re a super young team and; they need to close this out tonight. Making it to the ECF is suddenly a pretty big deal— are they ready to seize a major opportunity like that? Got my popcorn ready.

I fucking hate the Hawks so much. I haven’t hated an NBA team this much like pretty much ever. So that is adding to the intrigue for me as well lol. I never in a million years would’ve thought I’d be rooting this hard for a Philly based sports team (though I never really minded the 76ers anyway tbh). But a villain like the Hawks and the annoying little shit Trae Young are exactly the kind of stuff that makes watching basketball fun.

All that said — I’ll admit I secretly wish that when the Knicks were down in games 3 thru 5 they could’ve played with half the intensity and resolve the Hawks played with in the last two games’ 2nd halves vs. the 6ers. Everyone except Rose and Taj seemed to just have that same sad defeated look on their faces once the Hawks went on one of their little runs in the 2nd or 3rd quarter. I guess the ability to snap out of that shit comes with more playoff experience.

an opposing exec told him the 3 Knicks picks can get them into the top 8 and doesnt expect the Knicks to keep all 3

If Joel was 100%, this isn't 3-2. & I agree 76ers have been better most quarters this series, but I think 76ers fold tonight. We'll see. And I can't wait for Ben to miss 15 more FTs...what a joke. I don't even like the 76ers, but he just pisses me off as a fan because he should be much better, but doesn't seem to put in the work.

BTW, anyone read that Zion piece yesterday on The Athletic? Apparently his friends & family aren't exactly thrilled with what's going on in NOLA. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out. Sooner or later, one of these young studs is going to say 'Fuck it. I'm not signing the supermax. I'm hitting FA.' Could it be Zion? And if so, remember all the kind words-seemingly 100% earnest too-he had about playing at The Garden. Let me dream on this beautiful summer night on my porch...

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an opposing exec told him the 3 Knicks picks can get them into the top 8 and doesnt expect the Knicks to keep all 3

Wow, that's pretty surprising tbh. I'd absolutely bundle 19, 21 and 32 to move to 8 or higher.

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BTW, anyone read that Zion piece yesterday on The Athletic? Apparently his friends & family aren't exactly thrilled with what's going on in NOLA. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out. Sooner or later, one of these young studs is going to say 'Fuck it. I'm not signing the supermax. I'm hitting FA.' Could it be Zion? And if so, remember all the kind words-seemingly 100% earnest too-he had about playing at The Garden. Let me dream on this beautiful summer night on my porch...

If his family is saying it, it is really hin saying it, he is not going to come out and say that, he uses his family..

Nktice not a peepe from him denying it..

3 coaches in 3 years, mismatched roster and one of hsi favorite players to play with will probabky not be on the team

if Knicks want to make a big trade this year for a star, its going to have to be before the draft, because once the draft happens the picka this year lose value

Hawks jumped 76ers early. This is over.

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Throw in that the Pels might be the 25th most loved sports team in LA...Haha. I love NOLA, but that is a terrible NBA market. That is a Saints town. And to be honest, LSU Tigers town/state.

76ers showing some fight.

Maybe 3 picks and a few spiked drinks

give those 3 picks and then some for Davion Mitchell.

and still has his fastball.

between Embiid and Collins

looked like it had some intent behind it, though he may have been just trying to draw contact. Nice little scrum to spice things up.

this Hawks squad is so irritating they actually have me rooting for a Philly team.

Sounds like trouble if there’s a game seven.

hate him but he can play.

I hate him. But Trae is UFB.

the lights just went out!

Embiid. Beast.

Sixers showed some guts.

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Love it.

But I think I hate Atlanta a little bit more.

A seventh game buys a little more time for CP3.

Matchups make the fights and this has been a really interesting. We may hate him but these playoffs have been Trae's coming out party. He's taken his game to a whole new level. We caught a bad break in that Atlanta has been banged up all year and we caught them the 2 healthiest weeks they had all year. Hunter has missed the series and no surprise Bogdanovic's knee has been barking. He's shot awful the past 3 games. Give Curry a lot of credit he has taken his game to a whole new level this series. Should be an interesting game 7.

Within seven.

It's raining 3's! Clippers up 1 in the 4th.

Hard to consider it a meltdown when a team just hits a million threes. Clippers can’t miss.

The Clippers pull away. What a wacky 3 or 4 days of blown huge leads all over the league.

Doesn’t whine to the refs or flop around all game looking for whistles - just plays the game the right way.

Outscored Utah 81-47 in the 2nd half.

I know this was a randomly amazing night from Mann, but honestly Reggie Jackson has been impressive as hell this postseason— I think he’s a legit offensive threat.

Have to admit I’m happy to know that either Paul George or CP3 will get to a 1st ever trip to the NBA Finals. A lot of negative talk about both those guys for their entire careers, written off numerous times and they’ve both persevered and answered the call of adversity.

I give Paul George a ton of credit for taking on the role as lead dog the last 2 games— he’s clearly matured as a player over the course of his career and I honestly don’t know if he would’ve ever been prepared for this challenge until this exact moment in his career. Btw people do seem to forget he took the Miami Big 3 to the brink— went 7 games in the ECF when he was the only all star on the team that year (2013).

I also particularly credit Chris Paul for never attempting to form a super team or team up with 2-3 other superstars just to get a ring, despite the fact he’s good friends with a lot of the superstars including Lebron.

I like both guys and both teams— looking forward to a great series.

It’s awesome because to me the Suns looked like the most confident team in the entire playoffs coming out of that sweep of Denver... but then what the Clippers just did tonight? Shoot 74% from 3 in the 2nd half, come back from down 25 to clinch a series on their home court and bring the Clippers to their first ever conference finals? They look like a freight train coming off that court with all that momentum and confidence. This is one of the few times I could see momentum literally carrying over all the way from clinching this series right into Game 1 of a brand new series. But teams gonna be hugely confident, although the Suns maybe a little less so just for the 1st game being that they won’t have Chris Paul.

Coming back down 0-2 in both series might be a huge psychological advantage for them. They'll never think they're out of it.

Lue deserves a lot of credit for that.

Brazdeikis.

Any wonder why we suck?

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Doesn’t whine to the refs or flop around all game looking for whistles - just plays the game the right way.

He’s my dream Knicks target. Would be perfect here.

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Brazdeikis. Any wonder why we suck?

Yes because terrence mann was going to change everything..

was in college, but nobody maybe except GMEN46 could’ve predicted the shooting and shot creating ability. Unfortunately Big Chief Triangle fell asleep and preferred players who didn’t dunk or get triple doubles.

We need to stockpile these players. True, the 3 draft picks may play a combined 12 minutes a game under Thibs next year, but you get what you got in the playoffs when the veteran scrubs long on grit but short on talent get exposed. We are going to be a perennial 4-5th seed unless we luck into a star or 2. If we don’t, this past year would’ve been for naught, the excitement aside.

was also offered as a throw in in the Morris deal and we said no.

What's the deal w/ Paul? If he's out there, I'm taking Phoenix. But if he isn't, I'm going Clips.

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was also offered as a throw in in the Morris deal and we said no.

was it mann and the 1st or was it mann and a future 2nd?

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I'm pretty sure it was Mann and Kabengele and a 2nd or the 1st.

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so basically quickley or mann

going small with 5 guys who can defend and sjoot is better than 4 guy and a rim runner and shot blocker..

Atlanta trying to hang on in game 7.

against a Hawks team they should have put away in 5

That’s hilarious.

needs to be done in Philly. They're never going to get over the hump with him on the team, both sides need to get away from each other

are still sleeping on this Hawks team. They're gelling at the right time.

but Philly lost a game 7 at home when Trae couldn’t buy a bucket all night. That’s pathetic.

but that Bucks team has a 2-time MVP on it in Giannis plus an excellent #2 in Middleton and lots of size in Brook Lopez. The Sixers getting knocked out by the Hawks is about 10 times more embarrassing than what happened to the Nets

+7 was the easiest bet I've made in history.

Embiid is constantly unclutch and don't even start on Ben Simmons. What does he do well excactly?

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Against the Knicks it's understandable that they won. Against the Sixers with Joel Embiid? The Sixers lost a series they should have won in five games. They lost three times at home to a team with Trae Young as its best player, and in Game 7 Trae Young played poorly no less

and the Nets can take their South Jersey Jersey Shore B&T Hipster Bandwagon and form a Super Duper Special Team to not get bounced in the 2nd round again.

Heurter from the famous Shenendehowa High School has a monster game. Happy for him - despite the fact that I'm far from a fan.

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+7 was the easiest bet I've made in history. Embiid is constantly unclutch and don't even start on Ben Simmons. What does he do well excactly?

No kidding. Easy money straight to my account. Good lord. Woke up this morning, saw that and was like - Happy Father's Day, B.

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In comment 15290728 Jon in NYC said: Quote: are still sleeping on this Hawks team. They're gelling at the right time. Against the Knicks it's understandable that they won. Against the Sixers with Joel Embiid? The Sixers lost a series they should have won in five games. They lost three times at home to a team with Trae Young as its best player, and in Game 7 Trae Young played poorly no less

Trae's a bonafide superstar. They're also really deep, although the Hunter injury is a major blow. They have a lot of shooters, some interior defense. I think they're still being underrated and will probably take the Bucks to 6 at least.

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Well Giannis is going to go from major underdog against the Nets to prohibitive favorite again in a series. We'll see how that goes. The Bucks have all the pressure on them now in the Eastern Conference Final because they certainly have the better team

so they could overpay Tobias Harris and washed up Al Horford. All that tanking and they sabotaged their own championship caliber team.

despite what the standings said. They beat Kevin Durant in a 7 game series when Durant was almost unstoppable. The questions I have for the Bucks are...

1. How will they handle the pressure of being an overwhelming favorite again, because they have no business losing this conference final
2. Did they spend all their energy in the Nets series and are too exhausted to win another series

is going to be a Suns win unless Kawhi comes back and is vintage Kawhi. In fact, it's going to take an otherworldly effort by any of the other teams in the playoffs to beat the Suns in a seven game series. They look like a juggernaut

walking around like Bernie Lomax

It's a bad mix

I think I said that earlier in this thread or another one a few days ago, but it's worth saying it again.

And Doc is an overrated coach. How many high seed playoff losses will it take before he stops immediately jumping to the top of everyone's list when there is an opening?

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Next time y'all see something like that feel free to share lol.

I hate the Hawks more than any team in sports right now... maybe more than ive ever hated any team at one time. And I don’t really like the Bucks nor Giannis and Middleton either— yet I’ll still root for them over the Hawks. Such a boring ECF.

I agree the Hawks are being underrated though. The combination of their shooting, Capela and Collins in the paint (Collins really doing it all both outside and inside), and Trae emerging as an elite facilitator— they really have enough pieces on both sides to beat the Bucks. That said the Bucks are still the better team and have the Home advantage so they should win. But the thing is the Bucks are not some elite 3-point shooting team like the Hawks are proving to be, and what bailed them out against the Nets is the fact Giannis could just put his head down and go to the basket whenever the hell he wanted. I think Capela and Collins are gonna make that more difficult than the Nets did, but not so difficult that the Bucks end up losing IMO.

I do like how these playoffs have been very physical and the refs have let them play for the most part. That benefits the Bucks. I think Holiday on Young is a huge matchup. Holiday is probably the one player on the Bucks I actually like. He has elite lateral quickness so I don’t see Trae blowing by him so easily, terrific on-ball defender. If you can get in Trae’s personal space and pester him without getting into foul trouble you can tell he gets frustrated easily.

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I hate the Hawks more than any team in sports right now... maybe more than ive ever hated any team at one time. And I don’t really like the Bucks nor Giannis and Middleton either— yet I’ll still root for them over the Hawks. Such a boring ECF. I agree the Hawks are being underrated though. The combination of their shooting, Capela and Collins in the paint (Collins really doing it all both outside and inside), and Trae emerging as an elite facilitator— they really have enough pieces on both sides to beat the Bucks. That said the Bucks are still the better team and have the Home advantage so they should win. But the thing is the Bucks are not some elite 3-point shooting team like the Hawks are proving to be, and what bailed them out against the Nets is the fact Giannis could just put his head down and go to the basket whenever the hell he wanted. I think Capela and Collins are gonna make that more difficult than the Nets did, but not so difficult that the Bucks end up losing IMO. I do like how these playoffs have been very physical and the refs have let them play for the most part. That benefits the Bucks. I think Holiday on Young is a huge matchup. Holiday is probably the one player on the Bucks I actually like. He has elite lateral quickness so I don’t see Trae blowing by him so easily, terrific on-ball defender. If you can get in Trae’s personal space and pester him without getting into foul trouble you can tell he gets frustrated easily.

Good analysis. John Collins is a very underrated player. I'd take him on my team any day of the week.

I don't see how Simmons isn't moved this offseason.

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I don't see how Simmons isn't moved this offseason.

What do you think they can get for him? I do not follow basketball that closely but where would he fit? What kind of system if he is a liability as a shooter in todays NBA?

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He needs to be in a place where he is surrounded by 4 shooters and he can either orchestrate or be the roll man..

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I hate the Hawks more than any team in sports right now... maybe more than ive ever hated any team at one time. And I don’t really like the Bucks nor Giannis and Middleton either— yet I’ll still root for them over the Hawks. Such a boring ECF. I agree the Hawks are being underrated though. The combination of their shooting, Capela and Collins in the paint (Collins really doing it all both outside and inside), and Trae emerging as an elite facilitator— they really have enough pieces on both sides to beat the Bucks. That said the Bucks are still the better team and have the Home advantage so they should win. But the thing is the Bucks are not some elite 3-point shooting team like the Hawks are proving to be, and what bailed them out against the Nets is the fact Giannis could just put his head down and go to the basket whenever the hell he wanted. I think Capela and Collins are gonna make that more difficult than the Nets did, but not so difficult that the Bucks end up losing IMO. I do like how these playoffs have been very physical and the refs have let them play for the most part. That benefits the Bucks. I think Holiday on Young is a huge matchup. Holiday is probably the one player on the Bucks I actually like. He has elite lateral quickness so I don’t see Trae blowing by him so easily, terrific on-ball defender. If you can get in Trae’s personal space and pester him without getting into foul trouble you can tell he gets frustrated easily.

Brook Lopez can play a huge role in this series. We all know Capella doesn't like to chase guys out on the perimeter. If Brook gets hot from 3 then it will force Capella to make the decision to get away from the rim or keep giving him open looks from out there.

They can't bring him back.

You could see that a 5 of
Simmons
Quick
RJ
Randle
Stretch 5 (Turner?)

that could be a good team.

But it'd be incredibly hard to pull the trigger on a significant package to get Simmons after that performance.

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i wouldnt want to trade for Simmons if all it costs is Kevin Knox, Simmons is unplayable in the 4th quartrr of close games..

I want nothing to do with him and his act woukdnt fly in NY

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They can't bring him back. You could see that a 5 of Simmons Quick RJ Randle Stretch 5 (Turner?) that could be a good team. But it'd be incredibly hard to pull the trigger on a significant package to get Simmons after that performance.

Hard pass. The guy is scared of the ball at this point. If his team is in the bonus he's scared to push the break because he knows there gonna foul him. This is a guy on a max contract? There are much better ways to build a roster than pay a guy 30+ million/per to run away from the ball.

reason I'd be pro Simmons is that you're definitely buying low on him. If he can get his head right and/or figure out his jumper at all, he's worth every penny of the max given his athleticism and defense.

But that said, I'm definitely not giving up much to get him, and it's unlikely that there's a fit given we can't give back any win now pieces that the Sixers would want.

who's a Blazers fan thinks McCollum for Simmons will happen, which I don't really think makes a ton of sense for either team.

I'd guess Simmons for Lowry in a S&T is a deal that gets done.

debacle is very bizarre. The guy completely fell apart. Not sure if I recall anything like it.

build a functional offense in today's NBA with Simmons prominently involved. You can get away with it in the regular season to an extent - but in a playoff series, a well coached opponent will figure out how to expose him. And he's got 4 years left on a max deal. He's a stay away IMO.

And if you think you can get him playing better surrounded by different players and a better coach, there could be something special there. I think Simmons and Embiid just doesn't work at all. He would be a lot different with a different cast and there have been games where Embiid is out where you can see that.

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And if you think you can get him playing better surrounded by different players and a better coach, there could be something special there. I think Simmons and Embiid just doesn't work at all. He would be a lot different with a different cast and there have been games where Embiid is out where you can see that.

Nope, your best player can not be a player who cant shoot, you will never win in the playoffs, he is unplayable in the 4th quarter..

and he just doesnt seem to have the work ethkc to want to change, something is wrong there, in the 4th he had an easy dunk and passed it off when trae young came over to him..

it would be a disaster

that an all-world defender like Simmons would hit another level with a coach like Thibs.

Plus, maybe the work ethics of Randle and Barrett would rub off on Simmons. If you can get him for next to nothing (unlikely), I'd take the chance.

on offense. It puts more pressure on your other 4 to be consistently excellent, and it makes it easier for the opposing defenses.

And not only is simmons a near zero, he clearly has some fog in his brain about his offensive challenges. He was straight up scared to make plays. Right now he's due $140m until 2025 and he only plays defense at a high level. That gets you nowhere.

Hard disagree on him being the Knicks best player. You can get on Randle for the playoffs if you want, but he was a legit 2nd team all nba player.

projects but Simmons is owed 140 million over the next 4 years. If you can't rehab his game, it would be nearly impossible to build a contender with him taking up so much of your cap.

That contract is atrocious

Fell apart like him also

a star asks for a trade in the next couple of weeks before the draft

but I still sorta root for Gallo even though he hasn't been a Knick for 10 years. He's played a long time and made a ton of money, but he had barely been in the playoffs and never been on a team that made it out of the first round. And now here he is at age 32 a key player on a really good team. Good for him.

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but I still sorta root for Gallo even though he hasn't been a Knick for 10 years. He's played a long time and made a ton of money, but he had barely been in the playoffs and never been on a team that made it out of the first round. And now here he is at age 32 a key player on a really good team. Good for him.

Gallo is 32 but moves like a geriatric. He was never particularly mobile but it always looks like his back is locked up.

are our thoughts on Dinwiddie? Obviously a huge need a PG, and he's one of the few starting caliber UFAs available.

That said, he's never been a particularly efficient scorer and is coming off a serious injury.

He does feel like a souped up version of Elf, which is part of the reason I bring it up.

In comment 15290939 Jon in NYC said:

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In comment 15290937 Enzo said: Quote: but I still sorta root for Gallo even though he hasn't been a Knick for 10 years. He's played a long time and made a ton of money, but he had barely been in the playoffs and never been on a team that made it out of the first round. And now here he is at age 32 a key player on a really good team. Good for him. Gallo is 32 but moves like a geriatric. He was never particularly mobile but it always looks like his back is locked up.

he was always kind of herky jerky on his drives. But in his prime he was able to draw fouls and get to the line a bunch. Whatever quickness he may have had was probably diminished when he had the ACL tear. He was never going to be an all-nba type, but with a few different breaks he maybe makes a couple of all-star teams.

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are our thoughts on Dinwiddie? Obviously a huge need a PG, and he's one of the few starting caliber UFAs available. That said, he's never been a particularly efficient scorer and is coming off a serious injury. He does feel like a souped up version of Elf, which is part of the reason I bring it up.

have said all along he is who the nets should target. he is long and can interchange spots. good finisher, improving shooter, improved on pick and roll, can run a team, athletic , proven that he can win games. not remotely close to elf.

In comment 15290940 Jon in NYC said:

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are our thoughts on Dinwiddie? Obviously a huge need a PG, and he's one of the few starting caliber UFAs available. That said, he's never been a particularly efficient scorer and is coming off a serious injury. He does feel like a souped up version of Elf, which is part of the reason I bring it up.

I think I'd prefer Dinwiddie to Lonzo. That said, I think the Nets are going to try and keep him (assuming the owner has no problems paying a big tax bill).

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In comment 15290940 Jon in NYC said: Quote: are our thoughts on Dinwiddie? Obviously a huge need a PG, and he's one of the few starting caliber UFAs available. That said, he's never been a particularly efficient scorer and is coming off a serious injury. He does feel like a souped up version of Elf, which is part of the reason I bring it up. I think I'd prefer Dinwiddie to Lonzo. That said, I think the Nets are going to try and keep him (assuming the owner has no problems paying a big tax bill).

Dinwiddie may want to stay, but he'd start for the Knicks and be the 6th man for the Nets, which could play a role.

i trade Harris and keep dinwiddie

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on offense. It puts more pressure on your other 4 to be consistently excellent, and it makes it easier for the opposing defenses. And not only is simmons a near zero, he clearly has some fog in his brain about his offensive challenges. He was straight up scared to make plays. Right now he's due $140m until 2025 and he only plays defense at a high level. That gets you nowhere. Hard disagree on him being the Knicks best player. You can get on Randle for the playoffs if you want, but he was a legit 2nd team all nba player.

Barkley also made the point that in today's NBA you can't have a guy who doesn't shoot WHEN HE'S YOUR POINT GUARD. It's one thing if he's the 4 or 5 and you can hide him on offense. We saw what happened this year with Elf.

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In comment 15290940 Jon in NYC said: Quote: are our thoughts on Dinwiddie? Obviously a huge need a PG, and he's one of the few starting caliber UFAs available. That said, he's never been a particularly efficient scorer and is coming off a serious injury. He does feel like a souped up version of Elf, which is part of the reason I bring it up. have said all along he is who the nets should target. he is long and can interchange spots. good finisher, improving shooter, improved on pick and roll, can run a team, athletic , proven that he can win games. not remotely close to elf.

They're only similar in that they both want to get downhill and are around the 6'4 range. Dinwiddie is a far better player.

In comment 15290960 Jon in NYC said:

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In comment 15290956 Enzo said: Quote: In comment 15290940 Jon in NYC said: Quote: are our thoughts on Dinwiddie? Obviously a huge need a PG, and he's one of the few starting caliber UFAs available. That said, he's never been a particularly efficient scorer and is coming off a serious injury. He does feel like a souped up version of Elf, which is part of the reason I bring it up. I think I'd prefer Dinwiddie to Lonzo. That said, I think the Nets are going to try and keep him (assuming the owner has no problems paying a big tax bill). Dinwiddie may want to stay, but he'd start for the Knicks and be the 6th man for the Nets, which could play a role.

Nets can offer the 5th year which may be important to him. It's a weak free agent class so this might be his year to cash in on a big contract. I think the Nets may look to re-sign him even if he's not part of their long term plans. They can alway trade him.

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i trade Harris and keep dinwiddie

I dont blame harris for sucking i blame nash for playing him. would have got a lot more out of shamet on both ends the last 2 games ---- so i tend to argree on this point! and its a good insurance to the ball handling duties of the injury prone

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In comment 15290962 nygiants16 said: Quote: i trade Harris and keep dinwiddie I dont blame harris for sucking i blame nash for playing him. would have got a lot more out of shamet on both ends the last 2 games ---- so i tend to argree on this point! and its a good insurance to the ball handling duties of the injury prone

he looked shook, he had wide open looks he missed that he woukd knock down like a layup in the regular season

Ben Simmons should be roasted for not developing his game. It's an embarrassment.

layup experience--- except harris shot a reverse that was tragic instead of passing it like simmons
zero confidence

Its stating the obvious but the problem isn't only that he can't shoot but he won't shoot. A player that talented and big needs to figure out a way to get to 15 minutes.

I think maybe you could build a good team around Simmons but it would just be so incredibly difficult. You need shooting, creators, a big that can stretch the floor and Simmons to be able to commit to at least trying to score inside. Ideally you'd want a team that ran a bunch on the break and defended. But its not easy filling in all those pieces.

Sixers have to trade him but I have no idea what his value would be. Also doesn't seem like a guy that would be happy in a small market. If I'm the Knicks I am staying away.

He won't shoot and it's fucking embarrassing. He needs to get his ass in a gym and shoot for hours all summer. Build up confidence.

raptors, pistons, pelicans
i could see as fits
but no idea what the trades would be.

pair that with his monster contract. Philly would have to give up a lot to get rid of him. It doesn't make sense to deal from this position now. The playoff emotions are too hot.

Someone will think they can fix him, but it's probably far cheaper for Philly to get him with a sports psych and try to fix him.

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pair that with his monster contract. Philly would have to give up a lot to get rid of him. It doesn't make sense to deal from this position now. The playoff emotions are too hot. Someone will think they can fix him, but it's probably far cheaper for Philly to get him with a sports psych and try to fix him.

I highly doubt they'd have to give up anything to move him. I bet he still has value on the trade market. The question is if it's enough value for it to make sense for them to move on. McCollum for Simmons has been floated as a possibility by a few in the media which I think makes some sense for both sides assuming Dame wants to stay and signs off on it.

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He won't shoot and it's fucking embarrassing. He needs to get his ass in a gym and shoot for hours all summer. Build up confidence.

The bigger issue imo is that he needs to learn to shoot from his right hand. He's a righty and yet was taught to shoot as a lefty and the results have been abysmal. He's been resistant to making the change for years now but at this point he's got nothing to lose...

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In comment 15291096 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: pair that with his monster contract. Philly would have to give up a lot to get rid of him. It doesn't make sense to deal from this position now. The playoff emotions are too hot. Someone will think they can fix him, but it's probably far cheaper for Philly to get him with a sports psych and try to fix him. I highly doubt they'd have to give up anything to move him. I bet he still has value on the trade market. The question is if it's enough value for it to make sense for them to move on. McCollum for Simmons has been floated as a possibility by a few in the media which I think makes some sense for both sides assuming Dame wants to stay and signs off on it.

Portland is cap-hamstrung. Hard to see where they're going to take on a second superstar contract for a guy who can't and won't score. Not sure how that helps get Dame Lilliard closer to winning. At least CJ is a complementary scorer.

and Simmons is due ~$33M. In terms of fit, Kevin O'Connor did a good job of laying it out:

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McCollum for Simmons as the main piece in a Blazers-Sixers deal is what executives around the league, just like fans, think is a reasonable trade that makes sense for both sides. Simmons could be like a supercharged Draymond Green to Damian Lillard’s Steph Curry. For years, the Warriors have shredded teams because Curry would often draw a trap and pass the ball to Draymond, who could get to the rim or make a clutch pass to a teammate. Simmons would thrive in a role like that since Lillard feels the same type of pressure in the pick-and-roll.

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based on upside. Oh lord.

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based on upside. Oh lord.

he also wanted to trade the 8th overally for westbrook

he deserves all the crap he's getting now, but he's a better player than what people are saying right now.

He's a career 60% FT shooter
He shot 34% from the FT line in the playoffs (worst of all-time)

The "Really bad at the FT line" version of Ben Simmons is a borderline All-Star and one of the best defenders and passers in the league.

But anyone who shoots 34% from the FT line over 73 attempts doesn't belong on an NBA court. And that's the version of Simmons we saw these playoffs. It was clearly in his head and caused him to be ultra passive when it came to attacking the rim. He wanted no part of getting fouled and going to the line.

Just sad. Hopefully he figures it out.

been talk that Simmons is not a hard worker. That he cares more about being a reality star than he does being an NBA player. That's a major problem and makes sense when you see him getting worse as a shooter and not better.

the fact that he hasn't gotten better as a shooter is a big knock on him.

But he was also considered a really really bad defensive player in college. He's turned into one of the 5 best defensive players in the league. So that does show he worked hard in atleast one area of his game.

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based on upside. Oh lord.

Kay is out to lunch.

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In comment 15291220 bceagle05 said: Quote: based on upside. Oh lord. Kay is out to lunch.

no wonder his ratings are going down the crapper, not to mention they allow rosenburg to talk sports

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the fact that he hasn't gotten better as a shooter is a big knock on him. But he was also considered a really really bad defensive player in college. He's turned into one of the 5 best defensive players in the league. So that does show he worked hard in atleast one area of his game.

Honestly I just think it reflects more that he didn't care to try hard in college. He's pretty much admitted that he didn't care about LSU.

I think Philly has to trade him. He could rebound somewhere else but it's not happening in Philly.

It's been a while.

draft the Knicks will own ALL of their future draft picks. I have no clue when the last time was that they didn't owe anyone a pick of some sort.

For some reason I believe it would still take more than him for a trade to happen. Not saying I want Simmons but am saying not sure Philly would take Randle straight up (assuming we signed to a long extension even though we do not have to match salaries.)

Now is the time to make it happen with the bitter taste still in their mouth.

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For some reason I believe it would still take more than him for a trade to happen. Not saying I want Simmons but am saying not sure Philly would take Randle straight up (assuming we signed to a long extension even though we do not have to match salaries.)

Lol Randle for Simmons? Doc Rivers would not only drive to NY to pick him up, he'd offer to adopt him and renounce Austin to make the trade happen.

for Simmons would be an absurd trade.

I think I'm in the minority but if the price is very right, I'd make a move for Simmons. Gotta buy that this is the lowest it'll go for him but if you're going to win a title you have to make some risks and this seems like a smart one to me.

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and Simmons is due ~$33M. In terms of fit, Kevin O'Connor did a good job of laying it out: Quote: McCollum for Simmons as the main piece in a Blazers-Sixers deal is what executives around the league, just like fans, think is a reasonable trade that makes sense for both sides. Simmons could be like a supercharged Draymond Green to Damian Lillard’s Steph Curry. For years, the Warriors have shredded teams because Curry would often draw a trap and pass the ball to Draymond, who could get to the rim or make a clutch pass to a teammate. Simmons would thrive in a role like that since Lillard feels the same type of pressure in the pick-and-roll. Link - ( New Window )

Eh. You can afford a Draymond Green type when you have two of the best 3pt shooters in league history. Portland doesnt. Their offense is Lillard and ???. And while Simmons is a great defender I'm not sure if he can guard any position any time like Green can.

at the 3pt line. He has had a few years where he was reasonable from there. Problem with simmons is you dont even have to stand within 6 feet of him.

Look id take simmons for 50 cents on the dollar. Yeah u have to get his head on right from the line at minimum, but he is still a good player. But i wouldnt give up anything more then like Obi and a first (and filler). And if your philly and that is the best offer you are getting then im pretty sure they just hold on to him and hope they can get his head on straight.

arent trading him without getting a really good player in return. If all they're going to get is a lottery ticket and filler they're going to keep him and hope they can fix him

Is there any scenario where the Knicks can trade up into the top 4 or 5 in the draft? I know how unlikely it is but I am just dreaming of Jalen Suggs on this team and if he lasts to 4th or even 5th I wonder if there would be a price to pay.

Would 19th and 21st this year along with the Knicks 2023 and Dallas 2023 entice any teams that high? Would you do that deal if you are the Knicks?

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Is there any scenario where the Knicks can trade up into the top 4 or 5 in the draft? I know how unlikely it is but I am just dreaming of Jalen Suggs on this team and if he lasts to 4th or even 5th I wonder if there would be a price to pay. Would 19th and 21st this year along with the Knicks 2023 and Dallas 2023 entice any teams that high? Would you do that deal if you are the Knicks?

I think Knicks aave their picks for an established player..

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In comment 15291702 TyreeHelmet said: Quote: Is there any scenario where the Knicks can trade up into the top 4 or 5 in the draft? I know how unlikely it is but I am just dreaming of Jalen Suggs on this team and if he lasts to 4th or even 5th I wonder if there would be a price to pay. Would 19th and 21st this year along with the Knicks 2023 and Dallas 2023 entice any teams that high? Would you do that deal if you are the Knicks? I think Knicks aave their picks for an established player..

I think you are right and have no problem with it. But the other is if you can cash in on stud with the extra picks and then try to surround him with more talent using cap space while he's on the rookie deal. But even top rookies take time to develop in the league and I would guess this regime wants to win now. Honestly I just love Suggs and think getting him at 4 is a steal...

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For some reason I believe it would still take more than him for a trade to happen. Not saying I want Simmons but am saying not sure Philly would take Randle straight up (assuming we signed to a long extension even though we do not have to match salaries.)

Simmons for Randle? Holy shit.

Philly needs shooting and slashing.

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In comment 15291704 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15291702 TyreeHelmet said: Quote: Is there any scenario where the Knicks can trade up into the top 4 or 5 in the draft? I know how unlikely it is but I am just dreaming of Jalen Suggs on this team and if he lasts to 4th or even 5th I wonder if there would be a price to pay. Would 19th and 21st this year along with the Knicks 2023 and Dallas 2023 entice any teams that high? Would you do that deal if you are the Knicks? I think Knicks aave their picks for an established player.. I think you are right and have no problem with it. But the other is if you can cash in on stud with the extra picks and then try to surround him with more talent using cap space while he's on the rookie deal. But even top rookies take time to develop in the league and I would guess this regime wants to win now. Honestly I just love Suggs and think getting him at 4 is a steal...

it wouod probably take rj or Mitch in the deal with 4 picks and even that might not work..

but I want to point out that the two threads on athletes cheating on their wives and vise versa have garnered about 6,000 views which is similar to the amount of this off-season chat.

So the next time, someone in here complains about the TMZ-ization of sports and how trashy it is now, I want them to look in the fucking mirror.

content, but the money shows that what sells is actually the horseshit.

Not just here but anywhere. If there was no money in this sort of content, they wouldn't be shoveling it out.

But he does have to be able to make FTs.
hes got a solid post up game and can get to the rim.
but if he cant make FTs he cant be on the court.

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Is there any scenario where the Knicks can trade up into the top 4 or 5 in the draft? I know how unlikely it is but I am just dreaming of Jalen Suggs on this team and if he lasts to 4th or even 5th I wonder if there would be a price to pay. Would 19th and 21st this year along with the Knicks 2023 and Dallas 2023 entice any teams that high? Would you do that deal if you are the Knicks?

I don't think there's an equivalent trade in the history of the draft. Typically you can't get into the top of the lottery unless you're pretty much already in the lottery. Or you're trading a very good player. Celtics traded #5 for Ray Allen years ago as part of a bigger deal. The Wizards traded #5 in 2009 for Mike Miller and Randy Foye but IIRC correctly that was an owner driven trade and was first guessed as incredibly dumb (they could have had Steph Curry)

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But he does have to be able to make FTs. hes got a solid post up game and can get to the rim. but if he cant make FTs he cant be on the court.

ITA. He has to get that number to and above 70%. (I’m not even going to discuss what he did this postseason. That was sub-Dudley shit.) I’d love to see him on the Blazers although I don’t think McCollum is the caliber of what they have in mind for a return. Portland would have to move Nurkic too. Any team acquiring Simmons has to make it look like the Bucks around Giannis, including the perimeter shooting center. Or maybe the Warriors, but the affect of Steph and Klay is damn near impossible to reproduce elsewhere.

In comment 15291755 Enzo said:

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In comment 15291702 TyreeHelmet said: Quote: Is there any scenario where the Knicks can trade up into the top 4 or 5 in the draft? I know how unlikely it is but I am just dreaming of Jalen Suggs on this team and if he lasts to 4th or even 5th I wonder if there would be a price to pay. Would 19th and 21st this year along with the Knicks 2023 and Dallas 2023 entice any teams that high? Would you do that deal if you are the Knicks? I don't think there's an equivalent trade in the history of the draft. Typically you can't get into the top of the lottery unless you're pretty much already in the lottery. Or you're trading a very good player. Celtics traded #5 for Ray Allen years ago as part of a bigger deal. The Wizards traded #5 in 2009 for Mike Miller and Randy Foye but IIRC correctly that was an owner driven trade and was first guessed as incredibly dumb (they could have had Steph Curry)

Good convo. Hollinger has Suggs as his sixth best player in an Athletic article out today. If he dropped to the Warriors at six, is there some sort of scenario in which the Knicks could use their cap space to take on a contract that somehow helps the Warriors acquire a big name player in a three way deal of some sort? The problem ultimately is why wouldn’t the team trading the big name player (e.g. Washington) take the pick instead of the Knicks first rounders. Actually, the first problem is simply taking Wiggins off of the Warriors doesn’t create enough cap space for a star replacement.

I’d love to get Suggs on this team too, but c’est la vie.

But I'd settle for a case of Money Bag soda

Love making the olympic team over Julius Randle is a joke.

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In comment 15291755 Enzo said: Quote: In comment 15291702 TyreeHelmet said: Quote: Is there any scenario where the Knicks can trade up into the top 4 or 5 in the draft? I know how unlikely it is but I am just dreaming of Jalen Suggs on this team and if he lasts to 4th or even 5th I wonder if there would be a price to pay. Would 19th and 21st this year along with the Knicks 2023 and Dallas 2023 entice any teams that high? Would you do that deal if you are the Knicks? I don't think there's an equivalent trade in the history of the draft. Typically you can't get into the top of the lottery unless you're pretty much already in the lottery. Or you're trading a very good player. Celtics traded #5 for Ray Allen years ago as part of a bigger deal. The Wizards traded #5 in 2009 for Mike Miller and Randy Foye but IIRC correctly that was an owner driven trade and was first guessed as incredibly dumb (they could have had Steph Curry) Good convo. Hollinger has Suggs as his sixth best player in an Athletic article out today. If he dropped to the Warriors at six, is there some sort of scenario in which the Knicks could use their cap space to take on a contract that somehow helps the Warriors acquire a big name player in a three way deal of some sort? The problem ultimately is why wouldn’t the team trading the big name player (e.g. Washington) take the pick instead of the Knicks first rounders. Actually, the first problem is simply taking Wiggins off of the Warriors doesn’t create enough cap space for a star replacement. I’d love to get Suggs on this team too, but c’est la vie.

The fact that Hollinger has him ranked 6th makes me like him even more...

But you guys are right there really isn't a history of this type of trade. I think it would have to be a scenario where he drops to 4th or later and maybe the team could send the Knicks a toxic contract.

For arguments sake lets say the Warriors jump to up to the 4th pick. Maybe there is a 3 way trade there where the Warriors are getting a veteran and the Knicks have to take back Wiggins or a bad contract. That's really the only scenario I could see. Otherwise the picks in the late 1st simply aren't that valuable...

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Love making the olympic team over Julius Randle is a joke.

Are we sure Randle wants the Olympics?

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In comment 15291786 Jon in NYC said: Quote: Love making the olympic team over Julius Randle is a joke. Are we sure Randle wants the Olympics?

We're not, especially since he has kid no. 2 on the way, but it would be cool for both him and the Knicks to have representation there. Plus he can try to pitch Lillard lol

Hallelujah.

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Hallelujah.

This is good news. The players have rightly learned to optimize the rules in their favor but it's been hard to watch some times, notably with Harden's utter mastery in Houston.

honesty this is going to really hurt Harden. He gets to the line -- A LOT -- based on that shit.

Trae young too to some extent.

but I wouldn't mind if Knicks keep all their picks.

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but I wouldn't mind if Knicks keep all their picks.

they only have 8 players under contract so it's not like there isn't room for some young guys.

just to move up to #16 or something. If we can package them to move up to #12, that's fine.

“Obi is a prospect,” Greenberg said. “Problem is an old prospect but I don’t think that’s a big thing. He’s got good energy, runs the floor…. I thought he’d shoot it better. He’s a very good passer but didn’t show that ability. I’m not sure he has a position. I don’t think physically he can be a small-ball 5. He doesn’t have great lateral quickness. He’s a sprinter, a rim runner…. I think he’ll be a solid player and be in the league a while but never be an impactful player. He looked a little more confident shooting the ball in the playoffs, but he’s an if.”

would you trade Simmons (+cap filler) for Westbrook?

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would you trade Simmons (+cap filler) for Westbrook?

No chance. Westbrook doesn't solve their problems and now you have two huge injury risks on big contracts.

will be much thinner than you guys are postulating.

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In comment 15291909 TJ said: Quote: but I wouldn't mind if Knicks keep all their picks. they only have 8 players under contract so it's not like there isn't room for some young guys.

I've started looking at mock drafts to see who might be there if we don't trade our picks. CBS has the Knicks taking PG Tre Mann from Florida and PF Isaiah Jackson from Kentucky.

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but I wouldn't mind if Knicks keep all their picks.

I dont think its stupid, but looking how they played last year and who their coach is they are going to be looking for ready made players to inprove the team..

I dont think they sacrifice future for a quick fix though

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Quote: Shams Charania @ShamsCharania NBA referees will be trained to properly officiate the following actions used to draw fouls: - Shooter launches/leans into defender at abnormal angle - Shooter kicks leg at abnormal angle - Offensive player abruptly veers off path (sideways/ backwards) into defender

For whatever reason, the last one bothers me the most. (If you get a guy off the ground, I'm ok leaning into him to shoot, because in that case I feel like it's a good basketball play that you got him to jump and you can try for the reward.) The random moving in all directions to create fouls just bugs me more.

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In comment 15291940 bceagle05 said: Quote: Quote: Shams Charania @ShamsCharania NBA referees will be trained to properly officiate the following actions used to draw fouls: - Shooter launches/leans into defender at abnormal angle - Shooter kicks leg at abnormal angle - Offensive player abruptly veers off path (sideways/ backwards) into defender For whatever reason, the last one bothers me the most. (If you get a guy off the ground, I'm ok leaning into him to shoot, because in that case I feel like it's a good basketball play that you got him to jump and you can try for the reward.) The random moving in all directions to create fouls just bugs me more.

That and using the off arm to hook the defender and make it look like he grabbed you..

The guy jumping me in the air obly bothers me when the defender jumpa straight up and the offensive player jumpa forward into him, that is not a foul..

What Trae Young and Harden do is not basketball

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content, but the money shows that what sells is actually the horseshit. Not just here but anywhere. If there was no money in this sort of content, they wouldn't be shoveling it out.

Totally agree. Which is why I find the self-serving nature of the complaints to be ridiculous. Personally, I enjoy being occasionally silly and doing some Benny Hill level stuff but I don't turn around and pretend to be a host of Masterpiece Theater and look down my nose at ESPN and company for indulging the masses when we're part of the problem too.

/ rant

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Hallelujah.

They need to retroactively adjust Reggie Millers' career numbers as well

has been fully cleared

In comment 15291952 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 15291946 Mike from SI said: Quote: In comment 15291940 bceagle05 said: Quote: Quote: Shams Charania @ShamsCharania NBA referees will be trained to properly officiate the following actions used to draw fouls: - Shooter launches/leans into defender at abnormal angle - Shooter kicks leg at abnormal angle - Offensive player abruptly veers off path (sideways/ backwards) into defender For whatever reason, the last one bothers me the most. (If you get a guy off the ground, I'm ok leaning into him to shoot, because in that case I feel like it's a good basketball play that you got him to jump and you can try for the reward.) The random moving in all directions to create fouls just bugs me more. That and using the off arm to hook the defender and make it look like he grabbed you.. The guy jumping me in the air obly bothers me when the defender jumpa straight up and the offensive player jumpa forward into him, that is not a foul.. What Trae Young and Harden do is not basketball

It's interesting because at least in that list of 3 things they're cracking down on, it sounds some of the things Durant and Harden do at least in the way of swinging their arms upward and catching the defender's arm will possibly still be called a foul. Which I think is okay as long as the shooting motion is natural. My question is does "shooter launches at an abnormal angle" include the launching of his arms? Or just his entire body? We do many times see it way over done where a guy swings his arms literally 2 feet out to the side of his body to catch the defender's arm as though anyone has ever attempted a jump shot with that motion-- I will that will count as "launching at an abnormal angle."

My number 1 concern was the fact that Trae Young is literally able to just jump into a defender while running down the court and it's automatically a foul. That's actually exactly what happened in the last minute of game 1 that gave the Hawks the game-- Barrett played solid defense IMO and Trae literally just jumped sideways into him and got the call, hit the foul shots and that was the game. What was RJ supposed to do in that situation exactly? It was disappointing because the refs had laid off the whistles all game and then with less than a min to go THAT's when they decide to make that call and decide the game???

My other question is: the Knicks reviewed that play, if it were to be reviewed again, could it be determined Trae jumped at an "abnormal" angle and the call could be reversed? They couldn't reverse the call in game 1 because there technically was "contact" but it was clear to everyone with eyes that the refs completely fucked up making that call then and there.

In comment 15292097 nygiants16 said:

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has been fully cleared

I love Dinwiddie's game. I hope we sign him. The only thing is he talked shit about the Knicks... multiple times. Which kinda pisses me off but I have to imagine he might change his tune after the season the Knicks just had. He's lived in the area for like 6 years, if the Nets don't keep him I wonder how interested he is in staying in NY.
Dinwiddie talks Knicks - ( New Window )

had they gone to the Finals - probably asking a lot, but they were desperate.

Nets left a title on the table this season. And it was due to injuries. No chance in hell this team doesn't win it all if their Big Three is 100%. Sucks for them, though I'm not losing sleep over it.

In comment 15292119 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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Nets left a title on the table this season. And it was due to injuries. No chance in hell this team doesn't win it all if their Big Three is 100%. Sucks for them, though I'm not losing sleep over it.

They need more depth so that Harden, Kyrie and Durant dont have to play 48 minutes in the playoffs

No doubt. And I think Atkinson will address that this summer. But again, if KD, Irving, & Harden were 100%, this team is in the ECF right now & the overwhelming favorites to win it all.

I'm somewhat pumped for the lottery tonight. It's a stupid thing to be excited for, but I always find it to be good TV.

Meant to say Marks, not Atkinson. Haha.

In comment 15292132 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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No doubt. And I think Atkinson will address that this summer. But again, if KD, Irving, & Harden were 100%, this team is in the ECF right now & the overwhelming favorites to win it all. I'm somewhat pumped for the lottery tonight. It's a stupid thing to be excited for, but I always find it to be good TV.

100% agreed theyd probably sweep atlanta to..

I am too, no neeves, i am interested to see which team lands where because then you can start seeing spots to trade up

I got a feeling Raps move into top 4.

In comment 15292149 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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I got a feeling Raps move into top 4.

but of course haha

Is this lottery ever going to start?

really wish we could draft Davion Mitchell. I love this kid. I was originally thinking he'd go in the 8-12 range, looking like he could go as high as the 5-7 range though.

In comment 15292149 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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I got a feeling Raps move into top 4.

I'm a sootsayer, Haha.

Rockets, Raptors, Cavs top 4.

I woke up this morning thinking Toronto was logical team to move up. Haha. I shoulda put $ on it.

That franchise probably figures it needed another miracle jump to keep Zion there long-term.

In comment 15292191 bceagle05 said:

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That franchise probably figures it needed another miracle jump to keep Zion there long-term.

I could see Zion being first dude turning down max. The Athletic reported last week that his friends/family are unhappy, nobody in LA cares about the Pels, & the team isn't well run.

for the Pistons. They need a lot of help. So do the Rockets.

So I'm assuming Cade to Pistons?

Love to get in the top 5 somehow

In comment 15292202 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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So I'm assuming Cade to Pistons?

Lol. Poor bastard

A lot shorter than expected at the combine. Might drop him. Only 6FT.

GS packages both their picks for an established player?

6ft 3.5 inch also shorter.

16. Does Obi + #19, #21 & #32 get you to #4?

In comment 15292220 Carl in CT said:

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16. Does Obi + #19, #21 & #32 get you to #4?

It seems like there's a clear top 5, but I bet that gets you to the 2nd tier at 6-9.

Cade/Hayes/Bey/Stewart is a pretty good young core, with Grant as the vet.

Surprised Cooper is 6'3.

but if i were them id keep both picks and add 2 more young players to their vets, they wont do it because they are going to try and win at all costs..But they could set up a nice transition

when Steph signs here next summer. I’m going to speak it into existence.

In comment 15292237 Jim in Hoboken said:

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Surprised Cooper is 6'3.

Cooper at 6'3 -- if true -- really does change things about his game. He still can't shoot a lick but if he's there at 19 he does enough other things well that it is worth considering.

don't know how much milk he drank in the last month but 6'3 is a surprise for sure.

We need guards with quicks and skills. Either Christopher for the athleticism and upside or Mann for the scoring, creating. Mann reminds me of a smaller SGA.

Might have a lot more value this year then in the past. It sure looks like you can get the same value at #6 as #20 depending on a teams preference. I wouldn’t move up unless into the top 5. After that I trade picks and players for other players.

In comment 15292212 Carl in CT said:

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A lot shorter than expected at the combine. Might drop him. Only 6FT.

I could see the Knicks packaging both #19 and #21 to move up to the Spurs spot at #12 and nabbing someone they deemed to have "fallen out of" the top 10-- I saw a mock draft yesterday that had us doing that and it made sense-- they had us taking Bouknight there. Maybe that could be Davion Mitchell for the reason you just mentioned about his height.

I don't know much about Mann. How does he compare to the other 2 names I just mentioned? I saw someone here say they don't see much difference between the #20 and #6 player, is Mann worth waiting for at #19 and then we grab an extra guy at #21? Or maybe if we do stay put then we see a trade like Robinson + #21 for someone (idk maybe Myles Turner).

If we do draft a PG we believe is the guy of the future I'd still like to sign Lowry and Rose for a year to tag team at PG while the young dude develops.

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though I think he’s gone either way. They’ll draft whichever Jalen is on the board to pair with FVV in the backcourt.

Five minutes of reviews for every minute of game action.

I think they're on the phone with Silver trying to write a new rule that will help the Clippers.

Everything breaking the Suns way with CP3 ready to return.

With a completely ham-handed attempt to pull a fast one.

Either that, or he's trying to be too damned smart.

F the Clippers.

Is there such a thing as a contract year that is BOTH a player and a team option? I was thinking what would ideal for signing Lowry would be to sign him to 2 years — 1 year being guaranteed and the 2nd year being a team option basically, but I realized Lowry probably wouldn’t like that so was wondering if it could be like a mutual option on the 2nd year where BOTH team and player need to pick up the option. I wouldn’t even mind making it $25M for the first year and $30M for the 2nd year. I just feel like if we draft a PG, the ideal situation would be to have Lowry and Rose for 1 or 2 years tag teaming at PG basically, but it would be nice to have flexibility in the even say we have an opportunity to sign a big time star in 2022 free agency and we can’t because of Lowry’s contract— and let’s say our rookie PG comes on much quicker than we anticipate. Would obviously be nice to play it by ear for year 2 of his contract, but I’m sure Lowry might feel the same about wanting to be flexible so that’s why I thought of it. If we don’t make any other like MASSIVE signings this offseason I wouldn’t mind giving Lowry a large guaranteed number just for this year to entice him to agree to this.

conviction on someone, I’d stay put.

Is Keon Johnson better than Josh Christopher? Who knows? Bouknight better than Mann? Who knows?

I really like Cooper tho, measuring 6-3 may propel him out of our range.

In comment 15292359 bceagle05 said:

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Five minutes of reviews for every minute of game action.

Those reviews ruined a great game. They simply cannot go to the monitor after every play. It’s become unwatchable. I’d rather they miss a call than completely destroy the flow of the game. Needs to be fixed.

but if I'm a fan of either team in that game I'd wait as long as it took to get the right call.

What I don't like is the free timeouts that come as a result of the replays. It's a huge strategic advantange to the team with possession. Are the Suns able to run a play like that if they don't have 5 minutes to draw it up? That play might have just decided the series.

Kudos the Van Gundy and the Suns color guy for knowing the rule right away that you can touch the ball in the cylinder there. As an amateur official I know that but so often these announcers don't have a clue about the rules.

The 5 players should have to stay be center court with no interaction with then bench or coach or that team is T Ed up.

3 pick is a big get.
people already starting to talk about a trade for a vet, but i would think hard to pass up the big 3 in the draft.
they also might move sexton ahead of contract.
good for the pistons to get the top pick their roster is a dumpster fire.

In comment 15292419 hitdog42 said:

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3 pick is a big get. people already starting to talk about a trade for a vet, but i would think hard to pass up the big 3 in the draft. they also might move sexton ahead of contract. good for the pistons to get the top pick their roster is a dumpster fire.

You would think if they draft suggs or green they move Sexton..

Garland,Green or suggs, osman, nance, allen is not a bad young 5

In comment 15292426 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 15292419 hitdog42 said: Quote: 3 pick is a big get. people already starting to talk about a trade for a vet, but i would think hard to pass up the big 3 in the draft. they also might move sexton ahead of contract. good for the pistons to get the top pick their roster is a dumpster fire. You would think if they draft suggs or green they move Sexton.. Garland,Green or suggs, osman, nance, allen is not a bad young 5

I wonder if they take Suggs if they'd be open to moving Garland. I doubt it but if they would I'd want the Knicks to be all over that.

In comment 15292419 hitdog42 said:

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3 pick is a big get. people already starting to talk about a trade for a vet, but i would think hard to pass up the big 3 in the draft. they also might move sexton ahead of contract. good for the pistons to get the top pick their roster is a dumpster fire.

Why are they so eager to get rid of Sexton?

In comment 15292455 Jon in NYC said:

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In comment 15292419 hitdog42 said: Quote: 3 pick is a big get. people already starting to talk about a trade for a vet, but i would think hard to pass up the big 3 in the draft. they also might move sexton ahead of contract. good for the pistons to get the top pick their roster is a dumpster fire. Why are they so eager to get rid of Sexton?

Lots of reports that teammates dont like playing with him.

In comment 15292455 Jon in NYC said:

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In comment 15292419 hitdog42 said: Quote: 3 pick is a big get. people already starting to talk about a trade for a vet, but i would think hard to pass up the big 3 in the draft. they also might move sexton ahead of contract. good for the pistons to get the top pick their roster is a dumpster fire. Why are they so eager to get rid of Sexton?

They are hesitant to pay him because of fit eith Garland, there has bren some stuff aboit hoe he dominates the ball

In comment 15292456 Heisenberg said:

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In comment 15292455 Jon in NYC said: Quote: In comment 15292419 hitdog42 said: Quote: 3 pick is a big get. people already starting to talk about a trade for a vet, but i would think hard to pass up the big 3 in the draft. they also might move sexton ahead of contract. good for the pistons to get the top pick their roster is a dumpster fire. Why are they so eager to get rid of Sexton? Lots of reports that teammates dont like playing with him.

He definitely isn't a pure pg, so I get if it you're looking for someone to distribute. But He's 22 and just scored a really efficient 24 PPG.

I'd trade Obi for him in a second.

In comment 15292461 Jon in NYC said:

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In comment 15292456 Heisenberg said: Quote: In comment 15292455 Jon in NYC said: Quote: In comment 15292419 hitdog42 said: Quote: 3 pick is a big get. people already starting to talk about a trade for a vet, but i would think hard to pass up the big 3 in the draft. they also might move sexton ahead of contract. good for the pistons to get the top pick their roster is a dumpster fire. Why are they so eager to get rid of Sexton? Lots of reports that teammates dont like playing with him. He definitely isn't a pure pg, so I get if it you're looking for someone to distribute. But He's 22 and just scored a really efficient 24 PPG. I'd trade Obi for him in a second.

Yeah, our management is pretty plugged in, so maybe they could tell if the teammate stuff is something they'd want to avoid with Sexton. But I've always liked him, since the draft. If CLE doesn't think he and Garland are a good fit, then I'd definitely take a chance on him.

In comment 15292474 Heisenberg said:

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In comment 15292461 Jon in NYC said: Quote: In comment 15292456 Heisenberg said: Quote: In comment 15292455 Jon in NYC said: Quote: In comment 15292419 hitdog42 said: Quote: 3 pick is a big get. people already starting to talk about a trade for a vet, but i would think hard to pass up the big 3 in the draft. they also might move sexton ahead of contract. good for the pistons to get the top pick their roster is a dumpster fire. Why are they so eager to get rid of Sexton? Lots of reports that teammates dont like playing with him. He definitely isn't a pure pg, so I get if it you're looking for someone to distribute. But He's 22 and just scored a really efficient 24 PPG. I'd trade Obi for him in a second. Yeah, our management is pretty plugged in, so maybe they could tell if the teammate stuff is something they'd want to avoid with Sexton. But I've always liked him, since the draft. If CLE doesn't think he and Garland are a good fit, then I'd definitely take a chance on him.

leon rose was his agent

whoops. Well we definitely have good info on Sexton then.

for Sexton would be pretty high - even if the Cavs are not looking to pay him. The production is obviously there. Maybe a team offers to take on Love's deal (about 2/60 remaining) as part of a trade.

In comment 15291952 nygiants16 said:

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What Trae Young and Harden do is not basketball

I'm pretty sure it is.

In comment 15292459 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 15292455 Jon in NYC said: Quote: In comment 15292419 hitdog42 said: Quote: 3 pick is a big get. people already starting to talk about a trade for a vet, but i would think hard to pass up the big 3 in the draft. they also might move sexton ahead of contract. good for the pistons to get the top pick their roster is a dumpster fire. Why are they so eager to get rid of Sexton? They are hesitant to pay him because of fit eith Garland, there has bren some stuff aboit hoe he dominates the ball

Dude, can you just use the preview feature occasionally if you're not going to proofread before you hit post? This is like one of those memes where you realize that you don't really need all the letters in proper order.