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than Mitch asking for 20 million per

Away from the basket cause us (a chance) to win the series. Not saying we would have won. But to take to next level you need one.

Media simply comments on other peoples rumors, in this case the note was made by J. Michael of the Indianapolis Star who noted the Hornets and Wolves had shown the most interest.

I have a little concern that he's always injured somehow, but that would definitely solve the issue of have a 5 that defenses don't respect to score.

the more miraculous it seems that we won as many games as we did this year. Payton and Noel/Taj are zeroes on offense by today's standards (or any day's standards), and Mitch doesn't space the floor at all either.

Was that reported anywhere? I know guys make outrageous money but that would be up there

dont love it dont hate it. He is a big upgrade to mitch because he can do something other then Dunk. Depends what the trade cost would be.

In comment 15284563 Samiam said:

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Was that reported anywhere? I know guys make outrageous money but that would be up there

It's high but not shockingly so. Last off-season alone Marcus Morris got 4 for 64, Jeremi Grant 3 for 60, Bertans 5 for 80.

this summer while he has value. I think he's been way overvalued by the Knicks fanbase because he was the only glimmer of hope on the roster pre RJ draft.

Terrified of paying a guy who gets hurt all the time and can't score. He's not nearly as good as Clint Capela who makes $17M per.

addition to this team. The guy is good at everything including the 3 ball. Would be a very welcome addition and would enable them to move Mitch.

In comment 15284584 GGGGmen said:

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this summer while he has value. I think he's been way overvalued by the Knicks fanbase because he was the only glimmer of hope on the roster pre RJ draft. Terrified of paying a guy who gets hurt all the time and can't score. He's not nearly as good as Clint Capela who makes $17M per.

Capela is 4 years older than Mitch. There’s not much daylight between where Mitch is now and where Capela was after three seasons. I’m not even advocating re-signing Mitch. I just think the Knicks and fans have to be more forward looking with Mitch as opposed to what he is at this very second.

is that he doesn't seem to be adding anything to his game. He brought some great skills and qualities, especially for a second-round pick, but I'm not seeing new moves, an improved outside shot, better passing... He seems to be content to be what he is and do what he does. Which would make him a valuable backup center on a good NBA team but not a starter.

than Mitch.

Watching the playoffs makes me think we should be thinking more about Will Barton as a 2/3 option in addition to the Norm Powell/Bullock/Gary Trent list of folks that often gets mentioned.

If we can land Lowry and Barton, I think we start to look a lot more potent.

Lowry/Rose
RJ/IQ
Barton/[1st rounder?]
Julius/Obi
Mitch/Taj

Get his buddy back to the Eastern conference?

He's got his strengths and weaknesses. I like his rim protection and a ability to stretch the floor. Not crazy about his rebounding or ability to stay healthy. Depending on the cost I could be on board with it. The more I think about it I'd go with Ball and either Powell or Duncan Robinson. I know the RFA thing can be tricky, I think a Ball transaction would be smoother as they have Kiara Lewis and bean pole as a point fwd. Robinson would be trickier with Miami, but I think they have to let him go cap wise if they get a big PG like Lowry or a Dame trade. You could probably add Ball and one of the other 2 for the 40-45 million range. It makes you better at pg and adds another top shooter and leaves the flexible space to add another superstar if they come available and or bring back anyone you like off the current roster or maybe trade for Turner too. It gives you talent upgrades and let's us retain most of our young guys and picks. It's a nice roster of young guys in their early 20's mixed with Randle and Powell or Hunter who are in that 25-28 yo range. It's a team that doesn't probably make the top 3 in the conference yet but it should put us in that 4-6 seed range and allows growth through maturing and adding a star if they come available.

I'm not sure I believe any rumor that Berman posts in the Post. But what do we think of Oubre. I would think they'd want to spend their money on a more consistent outside shooter.

Oubre had an awful shooting start to the season but got better. I like his toughness, his ability to drive the ball, and his athleticism.

However, would not pay him $20m+ which is what he is allegedly looking for.
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We should be in a good position. Patience

In comment 15284642 31southst said:

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Watching the playoffs makes me think we should be thinking more about Will Barton as a 2/3 option in addition to the Norm Powell/Bullock/Gary Trent list of folks that often gets mentioned. If we can land Lowry and Barton, I think we start to look a lot more potent. Lowry/Rose RJ/IQ Barton/[1st rounder?] Julius/Obi Mitch/Taj

I’m rooting for the Knicks to make a run at Dinwiddie and re-sign Rose, but if we can’t Dinwiddie (and we don’t trade for Dame), I do like the idea of a Lowry and Rose tag team duo at PG for 2 years while we try to find/develop a PG of the future. I’m not a huge Ball fan and wouldn’t want to commit to him as our PG of the future. Would rather go Lowry and Rose and keep our eyes peeled for other prospects in this draft or in future FA.

But Will Barton? I don’t see how he suddenly makes us “a lot more potent.” He’s probably a more well-rounded player than Bullock and overall maybe a touch better, but Bullock is absolutely the better shooter. I don’t see the benefit to signing Barton as opposed to bringing back Bullock who already has chemistry/experience w/ the team. Powell on the other hand I would definitely see as an upgrade over Bullock.

In comment 15284647 Carl in CT said:

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Get his buddy back to the Eastern conference?

Are you referring to Powell or Kawhi? Haha

see this video? Not sure how recent but sounds like Hart and Lowry love Thibs, and apparently Thibs tried to draft Hart.

I think both would be good pickups.

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see this video? Not sure how recent but sounds like Hart and Lowry love Thibs, and apparently Thibs tried to draft Hart. I think both would be good pickups.

Lmao forgot to link the video
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see this video? Not sure how recent but sounds like Hart and Lowry love Thibs, and apparently Thibs tried to draft Hart. I think both would be good pickups.

I wonder what Hart's number would be, he is restricted but cant see the Pelicans matching everything..

The Lowry part was interesting to because i really didnt think Knicks had a shot at him

it is from a year ago

makes me hesitant to pay Robinson, getting absolutely abused and is useless in this game..

In comment 15285532 nygiants16 said:

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makes me hesitant to pay Robinson, getting absolutely abused and is useless in this game..

Expand on that a little more? What does Gobert getting abused and making $41M a year have anything to do w/ us paying Mitchell Robinson $15-$20M? I think you’re saying they’re similar players (which I agree with) so it’s making you question if that’s the type of Center we should commit to? But if a 7’1” 250 lb all star known for his defense and rebounding is getting abused then what center wouldn’t be getting abused in that game? Or are you saying it’s better to just concede the paint and try to get a center who can at least shoot from the outside?

We don’t have to pay Mitch this year right? And he’s super cheap for this one year so why not make him play out his contract? He needs to prove he can stay healthy. And in that case I’m saying why couldn’t we get Myles Turner AND keep Robinson for this year? They’re 2 very different players and I think could be a nice one two punch at the 5 at least for this year and we’d be hedging our bets considering BOTH of them are injury prone. Just don’t know why we even have to have an “either /or” conversation at this point.

Not sure if y’all already knew this or not but he has explicitly stated he’s going to opt out this offseason (link below)! I think this would be an ideal signing and he’ll be cheaper than Ball or Lowry. Hopefully he’d like to stay in the area, he’s been here for 5 or 6 years I believe.
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The $12M option is only “half” of the going rate for a starting PG which he quotes at $20-25M... but there’s no way he’s getting that. He’s clearly smart to opt out and will get more than 12, but who the hell is giving him 20-25? I could see Ball getting that kind of money from some team out there, but not Dinwiddie considering he’s coming off of injury. I’d be happy to give him 17 or 18 though. And make it A “prove it” deal of sorts.

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Not sure why they mailed in the first two games, but here we are.

on the Kyrie ankle injury.

Watch the replay at 0:34 of the link.

He did that on KP's ACL too.


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but he has done nothing this series

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on the Kyrie ankle injury. Watch the replay at 0:34 of the link. He did that on KP's ACL too. footwork - ( New Window )

Thats a pretty big reach reading that play. Giannis wasn't even looking down, he was looking up the whole time. Seems to me the shot went up and he slid in and was was looking to box-out for the rebound.

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Thats a pretty big reach reading that play. Giannis wasn't even looking down, he was looking up the whole time. Seems to me the shot went up and he slid in and was was looking to box-out for the rebound.

He knows where he's putting his foot without having to look down.

And of course he knows he needs to make it look like an accident.

Down 15 with the ball …. And Brooklyn quits???

at one point

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Down 15 with the ball …. And Brooklyn quits???

Durant played 42 of the 44 minutes in the game to that point. Game 5 is going to be the season for both of these teams. Can the Nets get either Irving or Harden back? Can Milwaukee keep on locking the Nets down as they did twice at home

you might hurt yourself with that all time level reach on the Kyrie injury.

He did nothing deliberate, dirty or even close to any of them. That's just shitty luck, it happens.

In comment 15285858 MookGiants said:

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you might hurt yourself with that all time level reach on the Kyrie injury. He did nothing deliberate, dirty or even close to any of them. That's just shitty luck, it happens.

Exactly right. Giannis was boxing out for a rebound and it was a freak injury

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In comment 15285858 MookGiants said: Quote: you might hurt yourself with that all time level reach on the Kyrie injury. He did nothing deliberate, dirty or even close to any of them. That's just shitty luck, it happens. Exactly right. Giannis was boxing out for a rebound and it was a freak injury

Exactly. And why would Giannis intentionally put his foot there to be landed on when he could hurt himself in the process? Really weird take.

It’s a toss up at this point. Can’t wait for game five.

i wonder if Harden tries to push it

is a foul. It's a foul because it's dangerous to the player coming down.

If deemed intentional, it's a flagrant.

I didn't check the Nets' message board before forming my opinion of the Giannis/Kyrie play but, now that I have, there are certainly a number of posters seeing it as a dirty play.

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is a foul. It's a foul because it's dangerous to the player coming down. If deemed intentional, it's a flagrant. I didn't check the Nets' message board before forming my opinion of the Giannis/Kyrie play but, now that I have, there are certainly a number of posters seeing it as a dirty play.

of course they do because Kyrie got hurt, just likr we all yelled at first when Kp got hurt but in reality it wasnt dirty..

If Giannis was thr net player and Kyrie was the bucks player you think Nets fans would be calling it dirty?

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It’s a toss up at this point. Can’t wait for game five.

I thought it was over after Game 2. Tuesday will be fun. Nets need one of Harden or Kyrie. KD can't do it alone.

In comment 15285881 nygiants16 said:

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i wonder if Harden tries to push it

I can't see Kyrie playing in 48 hours.

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In comment 15285881 nygiants16 said: Quote: i wonder if Harden tries to push it I can't see Kyrie playing in 48 hours.

No way. Rachel Nichols reported that Irving was in a walking boot and on crutches leaving the arena

So Portland lost 4-2 to a Denver team that looks like it’s about to get swept in the second round. Can only help fuel his desire to get out of there hopefully.

Hopefully they can finish off the sweep and give CP3 time to rest that shoulder. It's always a challenge keeping him healthy.