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Pete44 : 6/11/2021 10:57 am
It is being reported by Empire Sports Media that the Knicks are one of the teams interested in Pacers C Myles Turner.

This would make some sense as Turner is a rim protector and an offensive threat. The lack of Gibson/Noel being an offensive threat was definitely a detriment in the Hawks series. Of course, the cost could be prohibitive as Indiana is tough to deal with.
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RE: #3 is gonna turn Trae into Elf Payton.  
Mike from SI : 6/22/2021 3:23 pm : link
In comment 15291940 bceagle05 said:
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Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
NBA referees will be trained to properly officiate the following actions used to draw fouls:

- Shooter launches/leans into defender at abnormal angle

- Shooter kicks leg at abnormal angle

- Offensive player abruptly veers off path (sideways/ backwards) into defender



For whatever reason, the last one bothers me the most. (If you get a guy off the ground, I'm ok leaning into him to shoot, because in that case I feel like it's a good basketball play that you got him to jump and you can try for the reward.) The random moving in all directions to create fouls just bugs me more.
RE: RE: #3 is gonna turn Trae into Elf Payton.  
nygiants16 : 6/22/2021 3:27 pm : link
In comment 15291946 Mike from SI said:
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In comment 15291940 bceagle05 said:


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Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
NBA referees will be trained to properly officiate the following actions used to draw fouls:

- Shooter launches/leans into defender at abnormal angle

- Shooter kicks leg at abnormal angle

- Offensive player abruptly veers off path (sideways/ backwards) into defender





For whatever reason, the last one bothers me the most. (If you get a guy off the ground, I'm ok leaning into him to shoot, because in that case I feel like it's a good basketball play that you got him to jump and you can try for the reward.) The random moving in all directions to create fouls just bugs me more.


That and using the off arm to hook the defender and make it look like he grabbed you..

The guy jumping me in the air obly bothers me when the defender jumpa straight up and the offensive player jumpa forward into him, that is not a foul..

What Trae Young and Harden do is not basketball
RE: People like complaining. They say they want highbrow, informative  
Semipro Lineman : 6/22/2021 3:44 pm : link
In comment 15291732 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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content, but the money shows that what sells is actually the horseshit.

Not just here but anywhere. If there was no money in this sort of content, they wouldn't be shoveling it out.


Totally agree. Which is why I find the self-serving nature of the complaints to be ridiculous. Personally, I enjoy being occasionally silly and doing some Benny Hill level stuff but I don't turn around and pretend to be a host of Masterpiece Theater and look down my nose at ESPN and company for indulging the masses when we're part of the problem too.

/ rant
RE: NBA’s officially cracking down on “unnatural moves” to draw fouls.  
Semipro Lineman : 6/22/2021 3:48 pm : link
In comment 15291849 bceagle05 said:
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Hallelujah.


They need to retroactively adjust Reggie Millers' career numbers as well
Spencer Dinwiddie  
nygiants16 : 6/22/2021 6:27 pm : link
has been fully cleared
RE: RE: RE: #3 is gonna turn Trae into Elf Payton.  
Leg of Theismann : 6/22/2021 6:50 pm : link
In comment 15291952 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15291946 Mike from SI said:


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In comment 15291940 bceagle05 said:


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Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
NBA referees will be trained to properly officiate the following actions used to draw fouls:

- Shooter launches/leans into defender at abnormal angle

- Shooter kicks leg at abnormal angle

- Offensive player abruptly veers off path (sideways/ backwards) into defender





For whatever reason, the last one bothers me the most. (If you get a guy off the ground, I'm ok leaning into him to shoot, because in that case I feel like it's a good basketball play that you got him to jump and you can try for the reward.) The random moving in all directions to create fouls just bugs me more.



That and using the off arm to hook the defender and make it look like he grabbed you..

The guy jumping me in the air obly bothers me when the defender jumpa straight up and the offensive player jumpa forward into him, that is not a foul..

What Trae Young and Harden do is not basketball


It's interesting because at least in that list of 3 things they're cracking down on, it sounds some of the things Durant and Harden do at least in the way of swinging their arms upward and catching the defender's arm will possibly still be called a foul. Which I think is okay as long as the shooting motion is natural. My question is does "shooter launches at an abnormal angle" include the launching of his arms? Or just his entire body? We do many times see it way over done where a guy swings his arms literally 2 feet out to the side of his body to catch the defender's arm as though anyone has ever attempted a jump shot with that motion-- I will that will count as "launching at an abnormal angle."

My number 1 concern was the fact that Trae Young is literally able to just jump into a defender while running down the court and it's automatically a foul. That's actually exactly what happened in the last minute of game 1 that gave the Hawks the game-- Barrett played solid defense IMO and Trae literally just jumped sideways into him and got the call, hit the foul shots and that was the game. What was RJ supposed to do in that situation exactly? It was disappointing because the refs had laid off the whistles all game and then with less than a min to go THAT's when they decide to make that call and decide the game???

My other question is: the Knicks reviewed that play, if it were to be reviewed again, could it be determined Trae jumped at an "abnormal" angle and the call could be reversed? They couldn't reverse the call in game 1 because there technically was "contact" but it was clear to everyone with eyes that the refs completely fucked up making that call then and there.
RE: Spencer Dinwiddie  
Leg of Theismann : 6/22/2021 6:54 pm : link
In comment 15292097 nygiants16 said:
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has been fully cleared


I love Dinwiddie's game. I hope we sign him. The only thing is he talked shit about the Knicks... multiple times. Which kinda pisses me off but I have to imagine he might change his tune after the season the Knicks just had. He's lived in the area for like 6 years, if the Nets don't keep him I wonder how interested he is in staying in NY.
Dinwiddie talks Knicks - ( New Window )
I wonder if he would’ve played for the Nets  
bceagle05 : 6/22/2021 7:00 pm : link
had they gone to the Finals - probably asking a lot, but they were desperate.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/22/2021 7:04 pm : link
Nets left a title on the table this season. And it was due to injuries. No chance in hell this team doesn't win it all if their Big Three is 100%. Sucks for them, though I'm not losing sleep over it.
RE: ...  
nygiants16 : 6/22/2021 7:17 pm : link
In comment 15292119 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Nets left a title on the table this season. And it was due to injuries. No chance in hell this team doesn't win it all if their Big Three is 100%. Sucks for them, though I'm not losing sleep over it.


They need more depth so that Harden, Kyrie and Durant dont have to play 48 minutes in the playoffs
nygiants16  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/22/2021 7:23 pm : link
No doubt. And I think Atkinson will address that this summer. But again, if KD, Irving, & Harden were 100%, this team is in the ECF right now & the overwhelming favorites to win it all.

I'm somewhat pumped for the lottery tonight. It's a stupid thing to be excited for, but I always find it to be good TV.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/22/2021 7:24 pm : link
Meant to say Marks, not Atkinson. Haha.
RE: nygiants16  
nygiants16 : 6/22/2021 7:28 pm : link
In comment 15292132 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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No doubt. And I think Atkinson will address that this summer. But again, if KD, Irving, & Harden were 100%, this team is in the ECF right now & the overwhelming favorites to win it all.

I'm somewhat pumped for the lottery tonight. It's a stupid thing to be excited for, but I always find it to be good TV.


100% agreed theyd probably sweep atlanta to..

I am too, no neeves, i am interested to see which team lands where because then you can start seeing spots to trade up
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/22/2021 7:50 pm : link
I got a feeling Raps move into top 4.
RE: ...  
nygiants16 : 6/22/2021 7:50 pm : link
In comment 15292149 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I got a feeling Raps move into top 4.


but of course haha
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/22/2021 8:47 pm : link
Is this lottery ever going to start?
Ugh  
Leg of Theismann : 6/22/2021 8:47 pm : link
really wish we could draft Davion Mitchell. I love this kid. I was originally thinking he'd go in the 8-12 range, looking like he could go as high as the 5-7 range though.
RE: ...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/22/2021 8:50 pm : link
In comment 15292149 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I got a feeling Raps move into top 4.


I'm a sootsayer, Haha.
Pistons,  
Jon in NYC : 6/22/2021 8:51 pm : link
Rockets, Raptors, Cavs top 4.

...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/22/2021 8:52 pm : link
I woke up this morning thinking Toronto was logical team to move up. Haha. I shoulda put $ on it.
Swin Cash’s reaction (New Orleans) was hilarious.  
bceagle05 : 6/22/2021 8:52 pm : link
That franchise probably figures it needed another miracle jump to keep Zion there long-term.
RE: Swin Cash’s reaction (New Orleans) was hilarious.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/22/2021 8:55 pm : link
In comment 15292191 bceagle05 said:
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That franchise probably figures it needed another miracle jump to keep Zion there long-term.


I could see Zion being first dude turning down max. The Athletic reported last week that his friends/family are unhappy, nobody in LA cares about the Pels, & the team isn't well run.
Good  
Jon in NYC : 6/22/2021 8:56 pm : link
for the Pistons. They need a lot of help. So do the Rockets.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/22/2021 8:58 pm : link
So I'm assuming Cade to Pistons?
Well  
Carl in CT : 6/22/2021 8:59 pm : link
Love to get in the top 5 somehow
RE: ...  
BigBlueShock : 6/22/2021 9:02 pm : link
In comment 15292202 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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So I'm assuming Cade to Pistons?

Lol. Poor bastard
Mitchell  
Carl in CT : 6/22/2021 9:15 pm : link
A lot shorter than expected at the combine. Might drop him. Only 6FT.
So assumkng  
nygiants16 : 6/22/2021 9:15 pm : link
GS packages both their picks for an established player?
Booknight only  
Carl in CT : 6/22/2021 9:15 pm : link
6ft 3.5 inch also shorter.
GS I agree does that  
Carl in CT : 6/22/2021 9:23 pm : link
16. Does Obi + #19, #21 & #32 get you to #4?
RE: GS I agree does that  
Jon in NYC : 6/22/2021 9:27 pm : link
In comment 15292220 Carl in CT said:
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16. Does Obi + #19, #21 & #32 get you to #4?


It seems like there's a clear top 5, but I bet that gets you to the 2nd tier at 6-9.
Amazing what some lottery luck can do.  
bceagle05 : 6/22/2021 9:29 pm : link
Cade/Hayes/Bey/Stewart is a pretty good young core, with Grant as the vet.
Bouknight is mocked in the late lottery now, so out of Knicks' reach.  
Jim in Hoboken : 6/22/2021 9:33 pm : link
Surprised Cooper is 6'3.
I know the warriors wont do it  
nygiants16 : 6/22/2021 9:34 pm : link
but if i were them id keep both picks and add 2 more young players to their vets, they wont do it because they are going to try and win at all costs..But they could set up a nice transition
Yes they’ll need a young core in place  
bceagle05 : 6/22/2021 9:38 pm : link
when Steph signs here next summer. I’m going to speak it into existence.
RE: Bouknight is mocked in the late lottery now, so out of Knicks' reach.  
Jon in NYC : 6/22/2021 9:39 pm : link
In comment 15292237 Jim in Hoboken said:
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Surprised Cooper is 6'3.


Cooper at 6'3 -- if true -- really does change things about his game. He still can't shoot a lick but if he's there at 19 he does enough other things well that it is worth considering.
Cooper was listed at 6'1 and he barely looks it even with the fro, I  
Jim in Hoboken : 6/22/2021 9:45 pm : link
don't know how much milk he drank in the last month but 6'3 is a surprise for sure.

We need guards with quicks and skills. Either Christopher for the athleticism and upside or Mann for the scoring, creating. Mann reminds me of a smaller SGA.
I think the combine  
Carl in CT : 6/22/2021 10:00 pm : link
Might have a lot more value this year then in the past. It sure looks like you can get the same value at #6 as #20 depending on a teams preference. I wouldn’t move up unless into the top 5. After that I trade picks and players for other players.
RE: Mitchell  
Leg of Theismann : 6/22/2021 10:38 pm : link
In comment 15292212 Carl in CT said:
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A lot shorter than expected at the combine. Might drop him. Only 6FT.


I could see the Knicks packaging both #19 and #21 to move up to the Spurs spot at #12 and nabbing someone they deemed to have "fallen out of" the top 10-- I saw a mock draft yesterday that had us doing that and it made sense-- they had us taking Bouknight there. Maybe that could be Davion Mitchell for the reason you just mentioned about his height.

I don't know much about Mann. How does he compare to the other 2 names I just mentioned? I saw someone here say they don't see much difference between the #20 and #6 player, is Mann worth waiting for at #19 and then we grab an extra guy at #21? Or maybe if we do stay put then we see a trade like Robinson + #21 for someone (idk maybe Myles Turner).

If we do draft a PG we believe is the guy of the future I'd still like to sign Lowry and Rose for a year to tag team at PG while the young dude develops.
oh that was you who said that lol  
Leg of Theismann : 6/22/2021 10:44 pm : link
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Raptors moving up to four probably pushes Lowry out the door  
bceagle05 : 6/22/2021 10:45 pm : link
though I think he’s gone either way. They’ll draft whichever Jalen is on the board to pair with FVV in the backcourt.
Suns/Clips is insane.  
bceagle05 : 6/23/2021 12:00 am : link
Five minutes of reviews for every minute of game action.
This is hilarious  
ghost718 : 6/23/2021 12:02 am : link
I think they're on the phone with Silver trying to write a new rule that will help the Clippers.
Scott Foster in the middle of the action, as usual.  
bceagle05 : 6/23/2021 12:15 am : link
Everything breaking the Suns way with CP3 ready to return.
Ty Lue  
Bricktop : 6/23/2021 12:16 am : link
With a completely ham-handed attempt to pull a fast one.

Either that, or he's trying to be too damned smart.

F the Clippers.
Question about free agent signings an contracts  
Leg of Theismann : 6/23/2021 3:31 am : link
Is there such a thing as a contract year that is BOTH a player and a team option? I was thinking what would ideal for signing Lowry would be to sign him to 2 years — 1 year being guaranteed and the 2nd year being a team option basically, but I realized Lowry probably wouldn’t like that so was wondering if it could be like a mutual option on the 2nd year where BOTH team and player need to pick up the option. I wouldn’t even mind making it $25M for the first year and $30M for the 2nd year. I just feel like if we draft a PG, the ideal situation would be to have Lowry and Rose for 1 or 2 years tag teaming at PG basically, but it would be nice to have flexibility in the even say we have an opportunity to sign a big time star in 2022 free agency and we can’t because of Lowry’s contract— and let’s say our rookie PG comes on much quicker than we anticipate. Would obviously be nice to play it by ear for year 2 of his contract, but I’m sure Lowry might feel the same about wanting to be flexible so that’s why I thought of it. If we don’t make any other like MASSIVE signings this offseason I wouldn’t mind giving Lowry a large guaranteed number just for this year to entice him to agree to this.
This looks like a 4.5 player draft. Unless they have strong  
Jim in Hoboken : 6/23/2021 5:39 am : link
conviction on someone, I’d stay put.

Is Keon Johnson better than Josh Christopher? Who knows? Bouknight better than Mann? Who knows?

I really like Cooper tho, measuring 6-3 may propel him out of our range.
RE: Suns/Clips is insane.  
TyreeHelmet : 6/23/2021 8:06 am : link
In comment 15292359 bceagle05 said:
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Five minutes of reviews for every minute of game action.


Those reviews ruined a great game. They simply cannot go to the monitor after every play. It’s become unwatchable. I’d rather they miss a call than completely destroy the flow of the game. Needs to be fixed.
the replays do suck  
Enzo : 6/23/2021 8:26 am : link
but if I'm a fan of either team in that game I'd wait as long as it took to get the right call.

What I don't like is the free timeouts that come as a result of the replays. It's a huge strategic advantange to the team with possession. Are the Suns able to run a play like that if they don't have 5 minutes to draw it up? That play might have just decided the series.
Watched it live and heard the replays this am  
Stu11 : 6/23/2021 8:41 am : link
Kudos the Van Gundy and the Suns color guy for knowing the rule right away that you can touch the ball in the cylinder there. As an amateur official I know that but so often these announcers don't have a clue about the rules.
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