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2nd team all rookie. Had the 6th most votes, just barely missed out on 1st team.

Let’s see if they remember to play two halves tonight. Harden still not pushing it, but is putting up some points.

trying to pick up a foul on a three……

when Harden or Young complain about another player getting a foul call that they do all the time

Don’t have much faith in the Bucks winning it, but they’ve won 3.5 of the past 4 games.

as amazing as that sounds

I have no idea how close he is, does anyone know? That would be amazing if they finally get all 3 together (even if 2/3 of them are hobbled) just for game 7. My guess is he does not play though that sprain looked pretty bad.

I still can’t believe anyone picked the Bucks in this series before it started (I.e. before any of the Big 3 were injured). Nets could very well end up winning this series having had only 1.5 or 2 of their stars on the court for all but 43 seconds of game 1.

Maybe Bud finally figured it out, or Popovich called him and told him.

Game 7. Love it.

Got lame AF dry wedding Saturday that kicks off at 530 & ends at 830. This Game 7 is a great excuse to leave early. Wife will understand when I treat her out next day.

In comment 15288886 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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Got lame AF dry wedding Saturday that kicks off at 530 & ends at 830. This Game 7 is a great excuse to leave early. Wife will understand when I treat her out next day.

Treat or eat?

In comment 15288887 BrettNYG10 said:

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In comment 15288886 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: Got lame AF dry wedding Saturday that kicks off at 530 & ends at 830. This Game 7 is a great excuse to leave early. Wife will understand when I treat her out next day. Treat or eat?

Batman don't do that

Cooper, Josh Christopher, Keon Johnson, or Tre Mann with our picks. We need athleticism and skill in our backcourt, badly.

In comment 15288928 Jim in Hoboken said:

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Cooper, Josh Christopher, Keon Johnson, or Tre Mann with our picks. We need athleticism and skill in our backcourt, badly.

hate to burst your bubble but knicks are not adding 3 rookiez

for Al Horford and Moses Brown. Some second round picks exchanged, too. OKC has a billion draft picks.

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horrible trade you traded 1 bad contract for another and traded out of the 1st in a deep draft

contracts are pretty close, unless you think Kemba opts out of his last year which right now would sound crazy. Brown showed some flashes, but he needs to eat like 5K calories a day. That said i could see him easily having a better career then whoever goes 16th.

All that said i think Al fits better since BOS has Brown and tatum and really dont need another ball dominant player. Horford can do more to help the team. OVerally dont love it, but i dont think its an awful trade.

overlook Moses Brown. He has future NBA starter ability. Not having Kemba burden them is addition by subtraction.

I actually like it for the Celtics.

and now you moved it, saved $10 million in cap space, and got back a guy you like (even if he’s ancient).

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overlook Moses Brown. He has future NBA starter ability. Not having Kemba burden them is addition by subtraction. I actually like it for the Celtics.

Boston could have gotten a nice young guard to pair with tatum and brown..

you also coukd of waited until the draft

is only guaranteed about $13 million in 22/23, so there's big financial savings for Boston that year, but it might not add up to big cap savings depending on what else they do between now and then.

Going back two years, I still don't know what Philly was thinking giving Horford that huge deal.

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Cooper, Josh Christopher, Keon Johnson, or Tre Mann with our picks. We need athleticism and skill in our backcourt, badly.

I'm a UConn fan and i'm not huge on Bouknight. I don't love him for the NBA

In comment 15288960 shockeyisthebest8056 said:

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and now you moved it, saved $10 million in cap space, and got back a guy you like (even if he’s ancient).

save more like 6 million and it doesnt give them any room under the cap

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In comment 15288960 shockeyisthebest8056 said: Quote: and now you moved it, saved $10 million in cap space, and got back a guy you like (even if he’s ancient). save more like 6 million and it doesnt give them any room under the cap

It’s still money you’re not spending on a guy you don’t want on your team anymore. (Also a guy who people didn’t think could be moved.) Now it’s time to move Marcus Smart and Tristan.

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In comment 15288968 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15288960 shockeyisthebest8056 said: Quote: and now you moved it, saved $10 million in cap space, and got back a guy you like (even if he’s ancient). save more like 6 million and it doesnt give them any room under the cap It’s still money you’re not spending on a guy you don’t want on your team anymore. (Also a guy who people didn’t think could be moved.) Now it’s time to move Marcus Smart and Tristan.

but why do it now? they didnt HAVE to move kemba, you could of waited

The team that took on Kemba’s contract with two years left is a franchise that happens to have no goals beyond acquiring all 30 first round picks of a draft and flipped the Celtics a less expensive contract of an old player the Celtics happen to like. Do you think it was going to get better than that before next offseason? I don’t. The Celtics obviously don’t want to keep Kemba around for another year and that’s fine.

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The team that took on Kemba’s contract with two years left is a franchise that happens to have no goals beyond acquiring all 30 first round picks of a draft and flipped the Celtics a less expensive contract of an old player the Celtics happen to like. Do you think it was going to get better than that before next offseason? I don’t. The Celtics obviously don’t want to keep Kemba around for another year and that’s fine.

but you basically painted yourself into a corner with this trade, you have to resign fournier, you have to trade thompson, you are not resigning smart and you are not adding a young player..

you are basically saying this is our team

and really didn’t want to keep Kemba around another year.

The alternative, if keeping Kemba around isn’t an option, was giving away even more picks or some of the young players on their roster whose value is questionable at the moment.

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and really didn’t want to keep Kemba around another year. The alternative, if keeping Kemba around isn’t an option, was giving away even more picks or some of the young players on their roster whose value is questionable at the moment.

that is the million dollar question is there something that happened that forced the celtics to trade him now

any significant cap space over the next 2 seasons. If that's the case, it comes down to which dead money player do you want on your team for 2 years? It could be that Boston knows Kemba's knee is shot and he's about to fall off a cliff. Or maybe Stevens really just wanted Horford back? Trades have been made for dumber reasons.

Is it possible for Knicks to trade for a guy like Lillard with his 43 Million dollar salary next year and make the salaries close enough without including both Toppin and RJ? Is it doable?

In comment 15289042 NYG-TDBlue said:

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Is it possible for Knicks to trade for a guy like Lillard with his 43 Million dollar salary next year and make the salaries close enough without including both Toppin and RJ? Is it doable?

Knicks dont have to match salary

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In comment 15289042 NYG-TDBlue said: Quote: Is it possible for Knicks to trade for a guy like Lillard with his 43 Million dollar salary next year and make the salaries close enough without including both Toppin and RJ? Is it doable? Knicks dont have to match salary

Thanks ny I tried the trade simulator on ESPN and it wouldn't work without including RJ's 8 mill.

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In comment 15289046 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15289042 NYG-TDBlue said: Quote: Is it possible for Knicks to trade for a guy like Lillard with his 43 Million dollar salary next year and make the salaries close enough without including both Toppin and RJ? Is it doable? Knicks dont have to match salary Thanks ny I tried the trade simulator on ESPN and it wouldn't work without including RJ's 8 mill.

because they are still using this tears cap

He is, of course, no superstar, but it really astonishes me how many sports commentators either forgot or ignored the fact that Noel injured his ankle in the first game of the series, and never made it back close to being healthy. Guys, he wasn't THAT awful, considering that he was hopping on one foot.

General rule: if you want to be considered a sports expert, pretend that you actually know something.

He has very little value on the current Knicks, because Randall has to play huge minutes or the team regresses. That could change as soon as next year, of course, if the Kneaks add enough starting talent at the 1 and the 3.
Toppin is no superstar either, but he could provide reasonable value a) on a Knick team not nearly so reliant on Randle playing league-high minutes, or b) on another team substantially lacking at the 4. With Toppin's size, strength, speed, outside shot and leaping ability, he could add value to a a number of teams who are weak at the 4.

Toppin's defensive weaknesses were not nearly as bad as initially thought, and he has offensive capabilities that he can only optimize by playing more. I can easily envision him ending up with a really kickass 10-foot bank shot, for example, along with an interior jump shot, and the ability to move without the ball that most 4's don't have.

Of course, to show all of that, he would have to be traded, or Thibs would have to be convinced that Randall playing 30-32 minutes a game is better for the team over the course of a season. If that happens, Toppin might have considerably more trade value a year out than he has now.

18 1st round picks and 17 2nd round picks over the next 6 drafts. Damn. An average of 3 1sts and 3 2nds each over the next 6 years. And people say the Knicks have a bunch of draft picks. You would almost think OKC could build a pretty good team with that kind of capital. We shall see.
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They say at the beginning of the article “18 1st round licks through 2027.” It’s actually 18 through 2026, and then in 2027 they have 1 1st and 4 2nds. They have the picks listed correctly by year at the bottom of the article though.

Over the next 6 drafts (2021-2026) they have 18 1sts and 17 2nds.
Over the next 7 drafts (2021-2027) they have 19 1sts and 21 2nds.

I think ATL ends this tonight. I don't see the 76ers bouncing back after that epic choke job in Game 5. And if the 76ers do get bounced...man, no chance in hell they're running that back. I'd fully expect Simmons to get moved this summer, though the asking price might be at all time low. Dude, lock yourself in a gym all summer & learn to shoot the fucking ball. It's beyond embarrassing at this point.

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I think ATL ends this tonight. I don't see the 76ers bouncing back after that epic choke job in Game 5. And if the 76ers do get bounced...man, no chance in hell they're running that back. I'd fully expect Simmons to get moved this summer, though the asking price might be at all time low. Dude, lock yourself in a gym all summer & learn to shoot the fucking ball. It's beyond embarrassing at this point.

This Philly/Atlanta series is just super intriguing to me for some reason. I agree Atlanta definitely smells blood in the water after that embarrassing collapse by the Sixers. But it’s just interesting that it feels like the Sixers have essentially been the better team for 15 or 16 of the 20 quarters in the series and yet they’re down 3-2. I still say they’re the better team with the more favorable matchups. They can erase all of this bad juju of the last 2 games if they just play 4 solid quarters of basketball tonight. It’s gonna be tough to have short memories and every basket Philly scores to take a lead is gonna feel like it could evaporate at any second. That said— pressure is on Atlanta and they’re a super young team and; they need to close this out tonight. Making it to the ECF is suddenly a pretty big deal— are they ready to seize a major opportunity like that? Got my popcorn ready.

I fucking hate the Hawks so much. I haven’t hated an NBA team this much like pretty much ever. So that is adding to the intrigue for me as well lol. I never in a million years would’ve thought I’d be rooting this hard for a Philly based sports team (though I never really minded the 76ers anyway tbh). But a villain like the Hawks and the annoying little shit Trae Young are exactly the kind of stuff that makes watching basketball fun.

All that said — I’ll admit I secretly wish that when the Knicks were down in games 3 thru 5 they could’ve played with half the intensity and resolve the Hawks played with in the last two games’ 2nd halves vs. the 6ers. Everyone except Rose and Taj seemed to just have that same sad defeated look on their faces once the Hawks went on one of their little runs in the 2nd or 3rd quarter. I guess the ability to snap out of that shit comes with more playoff experience.

an opposing exec told him the 3 Knicks picks can get them into the top 8 and doesnt expect the Knicks to keep all 3

If Joel was 100%, this isn't 3-2. & I agree 76ers have been better most quarters this series, but I think 76ers fold tonight. We'll see. And I can't wait for Ben to miss 15 more FTs...what a joke. I don't even like the 76ers, but he just pisses me off as a fan because he should be much better, but doesn't seem to put in the work.

BTW, anyone read that Zion piece yesterday on The Athletic? Apparently his friends & family aren't exactly thrilled with what's going on in NOLA. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out. Sooner or later, one of these young studs is going to say 'Fuck it. I'm not signing the supermax. I'm hitting FA.' Could it be Zion? And if so, remember all the kind words-seemingly 100% earnest too-he had about playing at The Garden. Let me dream on this beautiful summer night on my porch...

In comment 15289284 nygiants16 said:

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an opposing exec told him the 3 Knicks picks can get them into the top 8 and doesnt expect the Knicks to keep all 3

Wow, that's pretty surprising tbh. I'd absolutely bundle 19, 21 and 32 to move to 8 or higher.

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BTW, anyone read that Zion piece yesterday on The Athletic? Apparently his friends & family aren't exactly thrilled with what's going on in NOLA. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out. Sooner or later, one of these young studs is going to say 'Fuck it. I'm not signing the supermax. I'm hitting FA.' Could it be Zion? And if so, remember all the kind words-seemingly 100% earnest too-he had about playing at The Garden. Let me dream on this beautiful summer night on my porch...

If his family is saying it, it is really hin saying it, he is not going to come out and say that, he uses his family..

Nktice not a peepe from him denying it..

3 coaches in 3 years, mismatched roster and one of hsi favorite players to play with will probabky not be on the team

if Knicks want to make a big trade this year for a star, its going to have to be before the draft, because once the draft happens the picka this year lose value

Hawks jumped 76ers early. This is over.