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so they could overpay Tobias Harris and washed up Al Horford. All that tanking and they sabotaged their own championship caliber team.

despite what the standings said. They beat Kevin Durant in a 7 game series when Durant was almost unstoppable. The questions I have for the Bucks are...

1. How will they handle the pressure of being an overwhelming favorite again, because they have no business losing this conference final
2. Did they spend all their energy in the Nets series and are too exhausted to win another series

is going to be a Suns win unless Kawhi comes back and is vintage Kawhi. In fact, it's going to take an otherworldly effort by any of the other teams in the playoffs to beat the Suns in a seven game series. They look like a juggernaut

walking around like Bernie Lomax

It's a bad mix

I think I said that earlier in this thread or another one a few days ago, but it's worth saying it again.

And Doc is an overrated coach. How many high seed playoff losses will it take before he stops immediately jumping to the top of everyone's list when there is an opening?

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In comment 15290731 Jon in NYC said: Quote: +7 was the easiest bet I've made in history. Embiid is constantly unclutch and don't even start on Ben Simmons. What does he do well excactly? No kidding. Easy money straight to my account. Good lord. Woke up this morning, saw that and was like - Happy Father's Day, B.

Next time y'all see something like that feel free to share lol.

I hate the Hawks more than any team in sports right now... maybe more than ive ever hated any team at one time. And I don’t really like the Bucks nor Giannis and Middleton either— yet I’ll still root for them over the Hawks. Such a boring ECF.

I agree the Hawks are being underrated though. The combination of their shooting, Capela and Collins in the paint (Collins really doing it all both outside and inside), and Trae emerging as an elite facilitator— they really have enough pieces on both sides to beat the Bucks. That said the Bucks are still the better team and have the Home advantage so they should win. But the thing is the Bucks are not some elite 3-point shooting team like the Hawks are proving to be, and what bailed them out against the Nets is the fact Giannis could just put his head down and go to the basket whenever the hell he wanted. I think Capela and Collins are gonna make that more difficult than the Nets did, but not so difficult that the Bucks end up losing IMO.

I do like how these playoffs have been very physical and the refs have let them play for the most part. That benefits the Bucks. I think Holiday on Young is a huge matchup. Holiday is probably the one player on the Bucks I actually like. He has elite lateral quickness so I don’t see Trae blowing by him so easily, terrific on-ball defender. If you can get in Trae’s personal space and pester him without getting into foul trouble you can tell he gets frustrated easily.

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I hate the Hawks more than any team in sports right now... maybe more than ive ever hated any team at one time. And I don’t really like the Bucks nor Giannis and Middleton either— yet I’ll still root for them over the Hawks. Such a boring ECF. I agree the Hawks are being underrated though. The combination of their shooting, Capela and Collins in the paint (Collins really doing it all both outside and inside), and Trae emerging as an elite facilitator— they really have enough pieces on both sides to beat the Bucks. That said the Bucks are still the better team and have the Home advantage so they should win. But the thing is the Bucks are not some elite 3-point shooting team like the Hawks are proving to be, and what bailed them out against the Nets is the fact Giannis could just put his head down and go to the basket whenever the hell he wanted. I think Capela and Collins are gonna make that more difficult than the Nets did, but not so difficult that the Bucks end up losing IMO. I do like how these playoffs have been very physical and the refs have let them play for the most part. That benefits the Bucks. I think Holiday on Young is a huge matchup. Holiday is probably the one player on the Bucks I actually like. He has elite lateral quickness so I don’t see Trae blowing by him so easily, terrific on-ball defender. If you can get in Trae’s personal space and pester him without getting into foul trouble you can tell he gets frustrated easily.

Good analysis. John Collins is a very underrated player. I'd take him on my team any day of the week.

I don't see how Simmons isn't moved this offseason.

In comment 15290789 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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I don't see how Simmons isn't moved this offseason.

What do you think they can get for him? I do not follow basketball that closely but where would he fit? What kind of system if he is a liability as a shooter in todays NBA?

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In comment 15290789 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: I don't see how Simmons isn't moved this offseason. What do you think they can get for him? I do not follow basketball that closely but where would he fit? What kind of system if he is a liability as a shooter in todays NBA?

He needs to be in a place where he is surrounded by 4 shooters and he can either orchestrate or be the roll man..

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I hate the Hawks more than any team in sports right now... maybe more than ive ever hated any team at one time. And I don’t really like the Bucks nor Giannis and Middleton either— yet I’ll still root for them over the Hawks. Such a boring ECF. I agree the Hawks are being underrated though. The combination of their shooting, Capela and Collins in the paint (Collins really doing it all both outside and inside), and Trae emerging as an elite facilitator— they really have enough pieces on both sides to beat the Bucks. That said the Bucks are still the better team and have the Home advantage so they should win. But the thing is the Bucks are not some elite 3-point shooting team like the Hawks are proving to be, and what bailed them out against the Nets is the fact Giannis could just put his head down and go to the basket whenever the hell he wanted. I think Capela and Collins are gonna make that more difficult than the Nets did, but not so difficult that the Bucks end up losing IMO. I do like how these playoffs have been very physical and the refs have let them play for the most part. That benefits the Bucks. I think Holiday on Young is a huge matchup. Holiday is probably the one player on the Bucks I actually like. He has elite lateral quickness so I don’t see Trae blowing by him so easily, terrific on-ball defender. If you can get in Trae’s personal space and pester him without getting into foul trouble you can tell he gets frustrated easily.

Brook Lopez can play a huge role in this series. We all know Capella doesn't like to chase guys out on the perimeter. If Brook gets hot from 3 then it will force Capella to make the decision to get away from the rim or keep giving him open looks from out there.

They can't bring him back.

You could see that a 5 of
Simmons
Quick
RJ
Randle
Stretch 5 (Turner?)

that could be a good team.

But it'd be incredibly hard to pull the trigger on a significant package to get Simmons after that performance.

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They can't bring him back. You could see that a 5 of Simmons Quick RJ Randle Stretch 5 (Turner?) that could be a good team. But it'd be incredibly hard to pull the trigger on a significant package to get Simmons after that performance.

i wouldnt want to trade for Simmons if all it costs is Kevin Knox, Simmons is unplayable in the 4th quartrr of close games..

I want nothing to do with him and his act woukdnt fly in NY

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They can't bring him back. You could see that a 5 of Simmons Quick RJ Randle Stretch 5 (Turner?) that could be a good team. But it'd be incredibly hard to pull the trigger on a significant package to get Simmons after that performance.

Hard pass. The guy is scared of the ball at this point. If his team is in the bonus he's scared to push the break because he knows there gonna foul him. This is a guy on a max contract? There are much better ways to build a roster than pay a guy 30+ million/per to run away from the ball.

reason I'd be pro Simmons is that you're definitely buying low on him. If he can get his head right and/or figure out his jumper at all, he's worth every penny of the max given his athleticism and defense.

But that said, I'm definitely not giving up much to get him, and it's unlikely that there's a fit given we can't give back any win now pieces that the Sixers would want.

who's a Blazers fan thinks McCollum for Simmons will happen, which I don't really think makes a ton of sense for either team.

I'd guess Simmons for Lowry in a S&T is a deal that gets done.

debacle is very bizarre. The guy completely fell apart. Not sure if I recall anything like it.

build a functional offense in today's NBA with Simmons prominently involved. You can get away with it in the regular season to an extent - but in a playoff series, a well coached opponent will figure out how to expose him. And he's got 4 years left on a max deal. He's a stay away IMO.

And if you think you can get him playing better surrounded by different players and a better coach, there could be something special there. I think Simmons and Embiid just doesn't work at all. He would be a lot different with a different cast and there have been games where Embiid is out where you can see that.

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And if you think you can get him playing better surrounded by different players and a better coach, there could be something special there. I think Simmons and Embiid just doesn't work at all. He would be a lot different with a different cast and there have been games where Embiid is out where you can see that.

Nope, your best player can not be a player who cant shoot, you will never win in the playoffs, he is unplayable in the 4th quarter..

and he just doesnt seem to have the work ethkc to want to change, something is wrong there, in the 4th he had an easy dunk and passed it off when trae young came over to him..

it would be a disaster

that an all-world defender like Simmons would hit another level with a coach like Thibs.

Plus, maybe the work ethics of Randle and Barrett would rub off on Simmons. If you can get him for next to nothing (unlikely), I'd take the chance.

on offense. It puts more pressure on your other 4 to be consistently excellent, and it makes it easier for the opposing defenses.

And not only is simmons a near zero, he clearly has some fog in his brain about his offensive challenges. He was straight up scared to make plays. Right now he's due $140m until 2025 and he only plays defense at a high level. That gets you nowhere.

Hard disagree on him being the Knicks best player. You can get on Randle for the playoffs if you want, but he was a legit 2nd team all nba player.

projects but Simmons is owed 140 million over the next 4 years. If you can't rehab his game, it would be nearly impossible to build a contender with him taking up so much of your cap.

That contract is atrocious

Fell apart like him also

a star asks for a trade in the next couple of weeks before the draft

but I still sorta root for Gallo even though he hasn't been a Knick for 10 years. He's played a long time and made a ton of money, but he had barely been in the playoffs and never been on a team that made it out of the first round. And now here he is at age 32 a key player on a really good team. Good for him.

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but I still sorta root for Gallo even though he hasn't been a Knick for 10 years. He's played a long time and made a ton of money, but he had barely been in the playoffs and never been on a team that made it out of the first round. And now here he is at age 32 a key player on a really good team. Good for him.

Gallo is 32 but moves like a geriatric. He was never particularly mobile but it always looks like his back is locked up.

are our thoughts on Dinwiddie? Obviously a huge need a PG, and he's one of the few starting caliber UFAs available.

That said, he's never been a particularly efficient scorer and is coming off a serious injury.

He does feel like a souped up version of Elf, which is part of the reason I bring it up.

In comment 15290939 Jon in NYC said:

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In comment 15290937 Enzo said: Quote: but I still sorta root for Gallo even though he hasn't been a Knick for 10 years. He's played a long time and made a ton of money, but he had barely been in the playoffs and never been on a team that made it out of the first round. And now here he is at age 32 a key player on a really good team. Good for him. Gallo is 32 but moves like a geriatric. He was never particularly mobile but it always looks like his back is locked up.

he was always kind of herky jerky on his drives. But in his prime he was able to draw fouls and get to the line a bunch. Whatever quickness he may have had was probably diminished when he had the ACL tear. He was never going to be an all-nba type, but with a few different breaks he maybe makes a couple of all-star teams.

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are our thoughts on Dinwiddie? Obviously a huge need a PG, and he's one of the few starting caliber UFAs available. That said, he's never been a particularly efficient scorer and is coming off a serious injury. He does feel like a souped up version of Elf, which is part of the reason I bring it up.

have said all along he is who the nets should target. he is long and can interchange spots. good finisher, improving shooter, improved on pick and roll, can run a team, athletic , proven that he can win games. not remotely close to elf.

In comment 15290940 Jon in NYC said:

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are our thoughts on Dinwiddie? Obviously a huge need a PG, and he's one of the few starting caliber UFAs available. That said, he's never been a particularly efficient scorer and is coming off a serious injury. He does feel like a souped up version of Elf, which is part of the reason I bring it up.

I think I'd prefer Dinwiddie to Lonzo. That said, I think the Nets are going to try and keep him (assuming the owner has no problems paying a big tax bill).

should read

In comment 15290956 Enzo said:

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In comment 15290940 Jon in NYC said: Quote: are our thoughts on Dinwiddie? Obviously a huge need a PG, and he's one of the few starting caliber UFAs available. That said, he's never been a particularly efficient scorer and is coming off a serious injury. He does feel like a souped up version of Elf, which is part of the reason I bring it up. I think I'd prefer Dinwiddie to Lonzo. That said, I think the Nets are going to try and keep him (assuming the owner has no problems paying a big tax bill).

Dinwiddie may want to stay, but he'd start for the Knicks and be the 6th man for the Nets, which could play a role.

i trade Harris and keep dinwiddie

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on offense. It puts more pressure on your other 4 to be consistently excellent, and it makes it easier for the opposing defenses. And not only is simmons a near zero, he clearly has some fog in his brain about his offensive challenges. He was straight up scared to make plays. Right now he's due $140m until 2025 and he only plays defense at a high level. That gets you nowhere. Hard disagree on him being the Knicks best player. You can get on Randle for the playoffs if you want, but he was a legit 2nd team all nba player.

Barkley also made the point that in today's NBA you can't have a guy who doesn't shoot WHEN HE'S YOUR POINT GUARD. It's one thing if he's the 4 or 5 and you can hide him on offense. We saw what happened this year with Elf.

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In comment 15290940 Jon in NYC said: Quote: are our thoughts on Dinwiddie? Obviously a huge need a PG, and he's one of the few starting caliber UFAs available. That said, he's never been a particularly efficient scorer and is coming off a serious injury. He does feel like a souped up version of Elf, which is part of the reason I bring it up. have said all along he is who the nets should target. he is long and can interchange spots. good finisher, improving shooter, improved on pick and roll, can run a team, athletic , proven that he can win games. not remotely close to elf.

They're only similar in that they both want to get downhill and are around the 6'4 range. Dinwiddie is a far better player.

In comment 15290960 Jon in NYC said:

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In comment 15290956 Enzo said: Quote: In comment 15290940 Jon in NYC said: Quote: are our thoughts on Dinwiddie? Obviously a huge need a PG, and he's one of the few starting caliber UFAs available. That said, he's never been a particularly efficient scorer and is coming off a serious injury. He does feel like a souped up version of Elf, which is part of the reason I bring it up. I think I'd prefer Dinwiddie to Lonzo. That said, I think the Nets are going to try and keep him (assuming the owner has no problems paying a big tax bill). Dinwiddie may want to stay, but he'd start for the Knicks and be the 6th man for the Nets, which could play a role.

Nets can offer the 5th year which may be important to him. It's a weak free agent class so this might be his year to cash in on a big contract. I think the Nets may look to re-sign him even if he's not part of their long term plans. They can alway trade him.

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i trade Harris and keep dinwiddie

I dont blame harris for sucking i blame nash for playing him. would have got a lot more out of shamet on both ends the last 2 games ---- so i tend to argree on this point! and its a good insurance to the ball handling duties of the injury prone

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In comment 15290962 nygiants16 said: Quote: i trade Harris and keep dinwiddie I dont blame harris for sucking i blame nash for playing him. would have got a lot more out of shamet on both ends the last 2 games ---- so i tend to argree on this point! and its a good insurance to the ball handling duties of the injury prone

he looked shook, he had wide open looks he missed that he woukd knock down like a layup in the regular season

Ben Simmons should be roasted for not developing his game. It's an embarrassment.

layup experience--- except harris shot a reverse that was tragic instead of passing it like simmons
zero confidence

Its stating the obvious but the problem isn't only that he can't shoot but he won't shoot. A player that talented and big needs to figure out a way to get to 15 minutes.

I think maybe you could build a good team around Simmons but it would just be so incredibly difficult. You need shooting, creators, a big that can stretch the floor and Simmons to be able to commit to at least trying to score inside. Ideally you'd want a team that ran a bunch on the break and defended. But its not easy filling in all those pieces.

Sixers have to trade him but I have no idea what his value would be. Also doesn't seem like a guy that would be happy in a small market. If I'm the Knicks I am staying away.

He won't shoot and it's fucking embarrassing. He needs to get his ass in a gym and shoot for hours all summer. Build up confidence.

raptors, pistons, pelicans
i could see as fits
but no idea what the trades would be.

pair that with his monster contract. Philly would have to give up a lot to get rid of him. It doesn't make sense to deal from this position now. The playoff emotions are too hot.

Someone will think they can fix him, but it's probably far cheaper for Philly to get him with a sports psych and try to fix him.

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In comment 15291096 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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pair that with his monster contract. Philly would have to give up a lot to get rid of him. It doesn't make sense to deal from this position now. The playoff emotions are too hot. Someone will think they can fix him, but it's probably far cheaper for Philly to get him with a sports psych and try to fix him.

I highly doubt they'd have to give up anything to move him. I bet he still has value on the trade market. The question is if it's enough value for it to make sense for them to move on. McCollum for Simmons has been floated as a possibility by a few in the media which I think makes some sense for both sides assuming Dame wants to stay and signs off on it.

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