It is being reported by Empire Sports Media that the Knicks are one of the teams interested in Pacers C Myles Turner.
This would make some sense as Turner is a rim protector and an offensive threat. The lack of Gibson/Noel being an offensive threat was definitely a detriment in the Hawks series. Of course, the cost could be prohibitive as Indiana is tough to deal with.
The bigger issue imo is that he needs to learn to shoot from his right hand. He's a righty and yet was taught to shoot as a lefty and the results have been abysmal. He's been resistant to making the change for years now but at this point he's got nothing to lose...
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pair that with his monster contract. Philly would have to give up a lot to get rid of him. It doesn't make sense to deal from this position now. The playoff emotions are too hot.
Someone will think they can fix him, but it's probably far cheaper for Philly to get him with a sports psych and try to fix him.
I highly doubt they'd have to give up anything to move him. I bet he still has value on the trade market. The question is if it's enough value for it to make sense for them to move on. McCollum for Simmons has been floated as a possibility by a few in the media which I think makes some sense for both sides assuming Dame wants to stay and signs off on it.
Portland is cap-hamstrung. Hard to see where they're going to take on a second superstar contract for a guy who can't and won't score. Not sure how that helps get Dame Lilliard closer to winning. At least CJ is a complementary scorer.
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he also wanted to trade the 8th overally for westbrook
He's a career 60% FT shooter
He shot 34% from the FT line in the playoffs (worst of all-time)
The "Really bad at the FT line" version of Ben Simmons is a borderline All-Star and one of the best defenders and passers in the league.
But anyone who shoots 34% from the FT line over 73 attempts doesn't belong on an NBA court. And that's the version of Simmons we saw these playoffs. It was clearly in his head and caused him to be ultra passive when it came to attacking the rim. He wanted no part of getting fouled and going to the line.
Just sad. Hopefully he figures it out.
But he was also considered a really really bad defensive player in college. He's turned into one of the 5 best defensive players in the league. So that does show he worked hard in atleast one area of his game.
Kay is out to lunch.
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based on upside. Oh lord.
Kay is out to lunch.
no wonder his ratings are going down the crapper, not to mention they allow rosenburg to talk sports
But he was also considered a really really bad defensive player in college. He's turned into one of the 5 best defensive players in the league. So that does show he worked hard in atleast one area of his game.
Honestly I just think it reflects more that he didn't care to try hard in college. He's pretty much admitted that he didn't care about LSU.
I think Philly has to trade him. He could rebound somewhere else but it's not happening in Philly.
Lol Randle for Simmons? Doc Rivers would not only drive to NY to pick him up, he'd offer to adopt him and renounce Austin to make the trade happen.
I think I'm in the minority but if the price is very right, I'd make a move for Simmons. Gotta buy that this is the lowest it'll go for him but if you're going to win a title you have to make some risks and this seems like a smart one to me.
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McCollum for Simmons as the main piece in a Blazers-Sixers deal is what executives around the league, just like fans, think is a reasonable trade that makes sense for both sides. Simmons could be like a supercharged Draymond Green to Damian Lillard’s Steph Curry. For years, the Warriors have shredded teams because Curry would often draw a trap and pass the ball to Draymond, who could get to the rim or make a clutch pass to a teammate. Simmons would thrive in a role like that since Lillard feels the same type of pressure in the pick-and-roll.
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Eh. You can afford a Draymond Green type when you have two of the best 3pt shooters in league history. Portland doesnt. Their offense is Lillard and ???. And while Simmons is a great defender I'm not sure if he can guard any position any time like Green can.
Look id take simmons for 50 cents on the dollar. Yeah u have to get his head on right from the line at minimum, but he is still a good player. But i wouldnt give up anything more then like Obi and a first (and filler). And if your philly and that is the best offer you are getting then im pretty sure they just hold on to him and hope they can get his head on straight.
Would 19th and 21st this year along with the Knicks 2023 and Dallas 2023 entice any teams that high? Would you do that deal if you are the Knicks?
Would 19th and 21st this year along with the Knicks 2023 and Dallas 2023 entice any teams that high? Would you do that deal if you are the Knicks?
I think Knicks aave their picks for an established player..
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Is there any scenario where the Knicks can trade up into the top 4 or 5 in the draft? I know how unlikely it is but I am just dreaming of Jalen Suggs on this team and if he lasts to 4th or even 5th I wonder if there would be a price to pay.
Would 19th and 21st this year along with the Knicks 2023 and Dallas 2023 entice any teams that high? Would you do that deal if you are the Knicks?
I think Knicks aave their picks for an established player..
I think you are right and have no problem with it. But the other is if you can cash in on stud with the extra picks and then try to surround him with more talent using cap space while he's on the rookie deal. But even top rookies take time to develop in the league and I would guess this regime wants to win now. Honestly I just love Suggs and think getting him at 4 is a steal...
Simmons for Randle? Holy shit.
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Is there any scenario where the Knicks can trade up into the top 4 or 5 in the draft? I know how unlikely it is but I am just dreaming of Jalen Suggs on this team and if he lasts to 4th or even 5th I wonder if there would be a price to pay.
Would 19th and 21st this year along with the Knicks 2023 and Dallas 2023 entice any teams that high? Would you do that deal if you are the Knicks?
I think Knicks aave their picks for an established player..
I think you are right and have no problem with it. But the other is if you can cash in on stud with the extra picks and then try to surround him with more talent using cap space while he's on the rookie deal. But even top rookies take time to develop in the league and I would guess this regime wants to win now. Honestly I just love Suggs and think getting him at 4 is a steal...
it wouod probably take rj or Mitch in the deal with 4 picks and even that might not work..
So the next time, someone in here complains about the TMZ-ization of sports and how trashy it is now, I want them to look in the fucking mirror.
Not just here but anywhere. If there was no money in this sort of content, they wouldn't be shoveling it out.
hes got a solid post up game and can get to the rim.
but if he cant make FTs he cant be on the court.
Would 19th and 21st this year along with the Knicks 2023 and Dallas 2023 entice any teams that high? Would you do that deal if you are the Knicks?
I don't think there's an equivalent trade in the history of the draft. Typically you can't get into the top of the lottery unless you're pretty much already in the lottery. Or you're trading a very good player. Celtics traded #5 for Ray Allen years ago as part of a bigger deal. The Wizards traded #5 in 2009 for Mike Miller and Randy Foye but IIRC correctly that was an owner driven trade and was first guessed as incredibly dumb (they could have had Steph Curry)
hes got a solid post up game and can get to the rim.
but if he cant make FTs he cant be on the court.
ITA. He has to get that number to and above 70%. (I’m not even going to discuss what he did this postseason. That was sub-Dudley shit.) I’d love to see him on the Blazers although I don’t think McCollum is the caliber of what they have in mind for a return. Portland would have to move Nurkic too. Any team acquiring Simmons has to make it look like the Bucks around Giannis, including the perimeter shooting center. Or maybe the Warriors, but the affect of Steph and Klay is damn near impossible to reproduce elsewhere.
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Is there any scenario where the Knicks can trade up into the top 4 or 5 in the draft? I know how unlikely it is but I am just dreaming of Jalen Suggs on this team and if he lasts to 4th or even 5th I wonder if there would be a price to pay.
Would 19th and 21st this year along with the Knicks 2023 and Dallas 2023 entice any teams that high? Would you do that deal if you are the Knicks?
I don't think there's an equivalent trade in the history of the draft. Typically you can't get into the top of the lottery unless you're pretty much already in the lottery. Or you're trading a very good player. Celtics traded #5 for Ray Allen years ago as part of a bigger deal. The Wizards traded #5 in 2009 for Mike Miller and Randy Foye but IIRC correctly that was an owner driven trade and was first guessed as incredibly dumb (they could have had Steph Curry)
Good convo. Hollinger has Suggs as his sixth best player in an Athletic article out today. If he dropped to the Warriors at six, is there some sort of scenario in which the Knicks could use their cap space to take on a contract that somehow helps the Warriors acquire a big name player in a three way deal of some sort? The problem ultimately is why wouldn’t the team trading the big name player (e.g. Washington) take the pick instead of the Knicks first rounders. Actually, the first problem is simply taking Wiggins off of the Warriors doesn’t create enough cap space for a star replacement.
I’d love to get Suggs on this team too, but c’est la vie.
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Is there any scenario where the Knicks can trade up into the top 4 or 5 in the draft? I know how unlikely it is but I am just dreaming of Jalen Suggs on this team and if he lasts to 4th or even 5th I wonder if there would be a price to pay.
Would 19th and 21st this year along with the Knicks 2023 and Dallas 2023 entice any teams that high? Would you do that deal if you are the Knicks?
I don't think there's an equivalent trade in the history of the draft. Typically you can't get into the top of the lottery unless you're pretty much already in the lottery. Or you're trading a very good player. Celtics traded #5 for Ray Allen years ago as part of a bigger deal. The Wizards traded #5 in 2009 for Mike Miller and Randy Foye but IIRC correctly that was an owner driven trade and was first guessed as incredibly dumb (they could have had Steph Curry)
Good convo. Hollinger has Suggs as his sixth best player in an Athletic article out today. If he dropped to the Warriors at six, is there some sort of scenario in which the Knicks could use their cap space to take on a contract that somehow helps the Warriors acquire a big name player in a three way deal of some sort? The problem ultimately is why wouldn’t the team trading the big name player (e.g. Washington) take the pick instead of the Knicks first rounders. Actually, the first problem is simply taking Wiggins off of the Warriors doesn’t create enough cap space for a star replacement.
I’d love to get Suggs on this team too, but c’est la vie.
The fact that Hollinger has him ranked 6th makes me like him even more...
But you guys are right there really isn't a history of this type of trade. I think it would have to be a scenario where he drops to 4th or later and maybe the team could send the Knicks a toxic contract.
For arguments sake lets say the Warriors jump to up to the 4th pick. Maybe there is a 3 way trade there where the Warriors are getting a veteran and the Knicks have to take back Wiggins or a bad contract. That's really the only scenario I could see. Otherwise the picks in the late 1st simply aren't that valuable...
Are we sure Randle wants the Olympics?
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Love making the olympic team over Julius Randle is a joke.
Are we sure Randle wants the Olympics?
We're not, especially since he has kid no. 2 on the way, but it would be cool for both him and the Knicks to have representation there. Plus he can try to pitch Lillard lol
This is good news. The players have rightly learned to optimize the rules in their favor but it's been hard to watch some times, notably with Harden's utter mastery in Houston.
Trae young too to some extent.
they only have 8 players under contract so it's not like there isn't room for some young guys.
No chance. Westbrook doesn't solve their problems and now you have two huge injury risks on big contracts.
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but I wouldn't mind if Knicks keep all their picks.
they only have 8 players under contract so it's not like there isn't room for some young guys.
I've started looking at mock drafts to see who might be there if we don't trade our picks. CBS has the Knicks taking PG Tre Mann from Florida and PF Isaiah Jackson from Kentucky.
I dont think its stupid, but looking how they played last year and who their coach is they are going to be looking for ready made players to inprove the team..
I dont think they sacrifice future for a quick fix though
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