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NGT: NCAA Football possibly going to 12 team playoff

Tony in Tampa : 6/11/2021 1:02 pm
Have not seen this discussed. Do you guys like the idea?
I think it's good to expand beyond the same 3 or so teams in the running each year.

Sounds like if it is approved it won't be implemented till the 2025-26yr due to the current contract and commitments.

College Football Playoff will consider proposal for expanding to 12-team format - ( New Window )
Great idea, long overdue.  
Section331 : 6/11/2021 1:07 pm : link
I'm shocked at how the NCAA has left so much money on the table for so long.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/11/2021 1:12 pm : link
I wonder if this prompts ND to move full time to the ACC?
I don’t like it  
Mark from Jersey : 6/11/2021 1:17 pm : link
Too many games for amateur players. Will also make the other bowl games even more less enjoyable. I don’t think bowl games have been quite the same since the playoffs started.
They ought to include more bowls.  
81_Great_Dane : 6/11/2021 1:26 pm : link
4 games week 1, 4 games week 2, 2 games week 3. That's 10 games right there. It'd make some of the minor bowls more interesting.

I looked it up; there are 40 bowl games. Maybe rotate?

that will put half the SEC in the playoffs  
Jints in Carolina : 6/11/2021 1:33 pm : link
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if you actually look at the breakdown most years  
Giantsfan79 : 6/11/2021 1:34 pm : link
if they moved from their current semi-final format (4) teams to a quarter-final format (8) teams they're wouldn't have been very many years where a team could legit say they got screwed by the BCS.

I actually think 12 may be too many.
I like it  
Lines of Scrimmage : 6/11/2021 1:36 pm : link
I actually hope it goes to 16. Put all the conference winners in. Great incentive to win your conference and I think it actually creates more parity and helps raise the profile for lower schools (both players and coaches). Then you can add at large schools.

I think it would have a huge following.

RE: that will put half the SEC in the playoffs  
Jimmy Googs : 6/11/2021 1:39 pm : link
In comment 15284676 Jints in Carolina said:
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the way it should be...
RE: if you actually look at the breakdown most years  
KDavies : 6/11/2021 1:44 pm : link
In comment 15284677 Giantsfan79 said:
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if they moved from their current semi-final format (4) teams to a quarter-final format (8) teams they're wouldn't have been very many years where a team could legit say they got screwed by the BCS.

I actually think 12 may be too many.


Agreed. If you expand, 8 is one thing. 12 is way too many.
RE: that will put half the SEC in the playoffs  
mfsd : 6/11/2021 1:58 pm : link
In comment 15284676 Jints in Carolina said:
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True, but long run could also give other conferences more playoff-level exposure and thus better recruiting position too vs SEC always hogging most of the best recruits

IMO the bowls becoming less interesting has more to do with there being so many that the concept itself has been watered down, more than the best teams going to a playoff instead of the traditional bowl format
RE: RE: that will put half the SEC in the playoffs  
Jints in Carolina : 6/11/2021 2:27 pm : link
In comment 15284683 Jimmy Googs said:
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the way it should be...


no.....not really
8 seems OK. Why 12? That builds in an extra week  
Del Shofner : 6/11/2021 2:34 pm : link
to get it down to either 8 or 4 depending on the format, and gives some teams a bye. I understand earning a bye in pro sports but if they are going to have a tournament in college I don't think a bye is a good idea.
I’m not sure how this helps ND if the goal is to WIN  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/11/2021 2:45 pm : link
a national title. Sure, it gives them more spots for access. But, it makes the road much tougher and doesn’t allow them to receive any benefits from a great regular season.
RE: Great idea, long overdue.  
sb from NYT Forum : 6/11/2021 3:20 pm : link
In comment 15284648 Section331 said:
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I'm shocked at how the NCAA has left so much money on the table for so long.


All their arguments (too many games for the players, time taken away from studying) made zero sense considering every other division besides FBS has a full playoffs.
Terrible Idea  
Trainmaster : 6/11/2021 3:25 pm : link
Further devalues the “regular season”.

One of the exciting things about college football used to be a single loss could derail the chances for a National Championship.

I was OK with a limited playoff. With top college teams rarely playing a sufficient number of common games to make a good assessment of the top team, having a 4 team playoff virtually assured that the “best team” was not overlooked.

With 8 or worse 12 teams in a playoff, clearly some teams not close to being the best team will have a shot at being the National Champion.

Bad idea that will be implemented solely for $$$.

RE: Terrible Idea  
BigBlueShock : 6/11/2021 3:31 pm : link
In comment 15284787 Trainmaster said:
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Further devalues the “regular season”.

One of the exciting things about college football used to be a single loss could derail the chances for a National Championship.

I was OK with a limited playoff. With top college teams rarely playing a sufficient number of common games to make a good assessment of the top team, having a 4 team playoff virtually assured that the “best team” was not overlooked.

With 8 or worse 12 teams in a playoff, clearly some teams not close to being the best team will have a shot at being the National Champion.

Bad idea that will be implemented solely for $$$.

Well the first 6 spots go to conference champions and the next 6 would be the top remaining 6 ranked teams. I would say the regular season is still very important. Especially for teams not named Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson and Oklahoma. They now have an actual reason to play the regular season. They had no chance in the past.
12 teams is clearly about making the regular season still matter for  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/11/2021 3:37 pm : link
the top teams. I'd rather see 8, but I understand the thought process.
RE: They ought to include more bowls.  
Section331 : 6/11/2021 3:53 pm : link
In comment 15284665 81_Great_Dane said:
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4 games week 1, 4 games week 2, 2 games week 3. That's 10 games right there. It'd make some of the minor bowls more interesting.

I looked it up; there are 40 bowl games. Maybe rotate?


Exactly. It makes more bowl games MORE interesting. Even before the playoff, there were only 3-4 bowl games that really mattered. None of the others had a chance to win the NC, so how has the playoff changed that?

No you've got 10 bowls that have real implications. This is good for college football. While I'm empathetic to athletes playing more games, the NCAA has never given a crap about the players, despite their protestations to the contrary.
8 seems to be the better number...  
bw in dc : 6/11/2021 3:59 pm : link
but anything to eliminate so many useless bowl games right now. Which I'm sure is a driver.

Just too many bowls that struggle with attendance and eyeballs, except for the betting public.
It’s one thing if there was an agreement made and ND was told to take  
Metnut : 6/11/2021 4:09 pm : link
it or leave it. Oh well… what can you do. But, ND Athletic director Jack Swarbrick was actually on the 4 person committee that put this proposal together. A firable offense! This guy is supposed to be a lawyer? I’ve never seen worse negotiation skills!

You’d think the ND athletic director would want to hire someone who can win a big post season game at least once after being head coach for more than a decade. Yet somehow Kelly gets lifetime job security.

Maybe Kelly can finally win a playoff game now that ND’s moron HD has them set up to play Coastal Carolina at home in December after the students have gone home.
WiIll each conference get an auto?  
Joey from GlenCove : 6/11/2021 4:16 pm : link
i'd pass on that
It  
jtfuoco : 6/11/2021 5:05 pm : link
Needs to be 16 that creates the best format with all the conference champions getting in with a few at large bids. It would be huge and who really cares about bowls anymore anyways
Thank god  
Bear vs Shark : 6/11/2021 5:15 pm : link
I'd prefer 16, but 12 is a pretty good number. 16 would be more fun and spread the talent pool out so it's not coagulated at the top.

12 still achieves the latter though. Having said that, teams 12-16 will likely have no shot to actually win the National Championship, so maybe 12 is the right number.
8 is the sweet spot  
allstarjim : 6/11/2021 5:19 pm : link
IMO
With 12  
allstarjim : 6/11/2021 5:21 pm : link
You have to have a bye week for top 2 seeds, which I hate because of the inherent controversy in voting that will undoubtedly ensue.

Also, with 12 teams, I think you'll have teams that clearly don't belong.
RE: With 12  
Bear vs Shark : 6/11/2021 5:25 pm : link
In comment 15284914 allstarjim said:
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You have to have a bye week for top 2 seeds, which I hate because of the inherent controversy in voting that will undoubtedly ensue.

Also, with 12 teams, I think you'll have teams that clearly don't belong.
I feel 16 gives you teams that don't belong, but either way, if a team gets hot and wins, who cares? We're Giants fans -- our last two Superbowls were when the Giants were 9-7 and 10-6. They almost certainly weren't the "best" teams those years if you looked at it from the college football type perspective (18-0 Pats, 15-1 Packers).... but fuck it, the championships count because the team got hot at the right time.

I'd love to see those types of Cinderella stories in college ball.
16 teams  
Lines of Scrimmage : 6/11/2021 6:02 pm : link
You would have teams from some of the conference winners that would give a heck of a game and pull upsets over time.

Structure the bowls to fit the playoff format and you have more fans at those games which much higher viewership. Over time the increased revenue will help to support those lower conferences and give incentive for the other schools in those conferences to put more into the program which will create more parity. That is good for everyone.
Not sure why there would be anything  
DonQuixote : 6/11/2021 6:05 pm : link
other than a multiple of 2 (4, 8, 16). 12?
RE: I don’t like it  
Gman11 : 6/11/2021 6:21 pm : link
In comment 15284656 Mark from Jersey said:
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Too many games for amateur players. Will also make the other bowl games even more less enjoyable. I don’t think bowl games have been quite the same since the playoffs started.


Do you really enjoy the Frito Lay Makes You Fat Bowl or the the Charmin Wipes Your Ass Bowl?

Once they started the 4 team playoff all the other bowl games became meaningless. Who remembers who won the Cheez-It Bowl?

More players will opt out for the draft.  
gtt350 : 6/11/2021 8:07 pm : link
watered down games
How do you do 12?  
Bricktop : 6/11/2021 8:09 pm : link
A bye in each side of the bracket?

I would expand to 8.
RE: How do you do 12?  
bw in dc : 6/11/2021 8:17 pm : link
In comment 15285001 Bricktop said:
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A bye in each side of the bracket?

I would expand to 8.


I think the top 4 would get buys and the other 8 have play-in games.
Predictable  
HomerJones45 : 6/11/2021 9:01 pm : link
27 point drop in the tv ratings. NCAA needs to do something to create regional interest. This thing is becoming the Alabama-Clemson semi pro invitational and interest is crashing.
RE: ...  
dpinzow : 6/12/2021 7:57 pm : link
In comment 15284651 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I wonder if this prompts ND to move full time to the ACC?


Notre Dame would make the playoff more years than they wouldn't while remaining an independent, so if anything, they would stay independent
12 team playoff  
MookGiants : 6/12/2021 8:10 pm : link
isnt going to make ND join a conference.

A 6 team playoff with only 1 at large bid probably would have. 8 team possibly.

12 team no chance, even if they can't get a bye. They wont have to play a conference championship game which would be beneficial most likely as they couldn't lose it and then get knocked out of the playoff potentially
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