First Stephen Baker whom we moved up into the first round for and now Beal who we took in the third round supplemental. Premium picks we missed on!
I mean, I hope something is worked out but a guilty plea is not good. I have to believe he will now be cut opening up a little space and some dead money.
As a fan, I had high hopes he showed up at camp a "grown up" who wanted to play but alas it doesn't look good.
RE: Bad judgment cornerbacks are killing this team
First Stephen Baker whom we moved up into the first round for and now Beal who we took in the third round supplemental. Premium picks we missed on!
I mean, I hope something is worked out but a guilty plea is not good. I have to believe he will now be cut opening up a little space and some dead money.
As a fan, I had high hopes he showed up at camp a "grown up" who wanted to play but alas it doesn't look good.
I just want him cut so he can no longer be associated with this Team. I said it at the end of last season and I say it now, get rid of loser players with loser mindsets and loser work ethic. Beal is one of those players.
He opted out in late July/Early August. He may have lucked into a career *extension* with the Giants due to Covid. He probably would’ve been cut in any other year.
Whatever nonsense he was dealing with stayed way the hell under the radar for a full year, didn’t blow back on the org AND the Giants didn’t have to pay him his full salary or have it count a year against his contract.
His opt out has to be seen in a new light, if only for a moment.
I wonder if that is something the commissioner’s office would be
Interested in investigating - though tricky minefield questioning motives for a Covid opt out, if the Giants or Beal played some games and took advantage, maybe the league would toll his contract, for example.
First Stephen Baker whom we moved up into the first round for and now Beal who we took in the third round supplemental. Premium picks we missed on!
I mean, I hope something is worked out but a guilty plea is not good. I have to believe he will now be cut opening up a little space and some dead money.
As a fan, I had high hopes he showed up at camp a "grown up" who wanted to play but alas it doesn't look good.
Stephen Baker? You're dating yourself
Deandre Baker #1. Stephen Baker was an OK player in his day.
Nothing I see on the web clarifies any details of this case
but I presume that the gun was properly registered to Beal, but that he didn't have a conceal permit to keep it stored in his car. If so, it's clearly bad judgment but I don't see how it's something worth cutting him over.
There's no comparison here with DeAndre Baker who, regardless of his level of participation, was still involved in a high stakes gambling event where an armed robbery took place.
This guy has to be one of the biggest losers the Giants ever wasted their time with. On top of his “I really don’t want to play” attitude which was obvious from the beginning (always seemed to have a boo-boo) we have gun charges coming right after he opted out of the 2020 season.
I think Dave Gettleman is generally pretty good in finding quality talent. When he gave up a 3rd round pick to get Beal in the Supplemental draft I assumed it was a good get for a team that was CB needy and for a guy who some said was a possible late 1st rounder in the next draft. But as we all know, attitude and desire are just as important as talent and Beal scores very poorly in both of those categories.
The Giants should whack him now and be done with it. Just keeping him around is detrimental to the team.
RE: Nothing I see on the web clarifies any details of this case
but I presume that the gun was properly registered to Beal, but that he didn't have a conceal permit to keep it stored in his car. If so, it's clearly bad judgment but I don't see how it's something worth cutting him over.
There's no comparison here with DeAndre Baker who, regardless of his level of participation, was still involved in a high stakes gambling event where an armed robbery took place.
That's about it. One was charged with a misdemeanor and expected to have his convictions dismissed, and the other was accused of committing felony armed robbery.
Baker's case was ultimately dismissed, but the accusations were so severe that the Giants were under a lot of pressure to make a decision on him, especially with the potential of him going to prison. Beal plead guilty, but the charges aren't nearly as severe and there's no jail time in his future.
what's wrong with this guy? Opportunity of a lifetime and pissing down the drain. Wake up and grow up! Maybe he should wash dishes at a local restaurant instead of playing pro football. Seems like that is what he wants. Gun in car cut this street gang bs out. It's ruined so many careers. If you need gun your definitely associated w wrong people. Rely on your toughness w hands instead of hiding behind trigger.
if instead of Sam Beal and Deandre Baker, Gettleman devoted those picks to additional lineman?
The Baker pick especially will haunt us as it was a #1, a premium pick and we gave up quite a bit to move up for a guy who reputedly has "practice issues" (as in lazy) in college.
I get taking a chance. I really do cause if you HIT that is awesome. But here we blew it. If we had stood pat and took a starter in the 2nd round who is to say we weren't a playoff team last year?
Woulda. Coulda. Shoulda. My hope at this point, honestly, is that Beal matures from this experience and he comes to camp on fire. You can't have enough good defensive backs and he does have the physical tools.
If there is no jail time perhaps he learned a hard lesson that will HELP him mature rather than sink him?
True if he has learned a lesson I would give him another chance to
He opted out 9 DAYS before the incident. Thus the team clearly didn't "tell him to opt out".
He got probation, so there's no risk he goes to jail. It IS possible that the team hasn't cut him yet waiting for this to play out legally.
I still think he gets cut on the merits at the end of training camp though.
RE: I think if you dig down you can see some more comparisons
He opted out 9 DAYS before the incident. Thus the team clearly didn't "tell him to opt out".
He got probation, so there's no risk he goes to jail. It IS possible that the team hasn't cut him yet waiting for this to play out legally.
I still think he gets cut on the merits at the end of training camp though.
I’m not sure this is correct. The article states the incident happened in early June 2020, and his opt out happened right before his indictment, which by that point they would have known was coming the pike. The indictment did happen after his opt-out, again though, they would have had a good idea of the direction this thing was going before that time as they had two months between the event, the opt out and the indictment.
The opt out didn’t occur before the actual event and arrest. I’m open to being corrected here, but I do think your timeline is off.
Why when someone says people can't read they make errors
Beal was arrested 6/2. He opted out the first week of August as repoted by the many beats. He was indicted 8/23. It can only be assumed the team advised him to out out for the cap money and roster spot.
He can go to camp get cut or they can cut him now.... Whatever
if instead of Sam Beal and Deandre Baker, Gettleman devoted those picks to additional lineman?
The Baker pick especially will haunt us as it was a #1, a premium pick and we gave up quite a bit to move up for a guy who reputedly has "practice issues" (as in lazy) in college.
I get taking a chance. I really do cause if you HIT that is awesome. But here we blew it. If we had stood pat and took a starter in the 2nd round who is to say we weren't a playoff team last year?
Woulda. Coulda. Shoulda. My hope at this point, honestly, is that Beal matures from this experience and he comes to camp on fire. You can't have enough good defensive backs and he does have the physical tools.
If there is no jail time perhaps he learned a hard lesson that will HELP him mature rather than sink him?
The Baker thing will forever have me looking sideways at anything Gettleman does. The move made zero sense and it was clear from the beginning. 1) because he was primarily known for his talent in man coverage in college and DG drafted him for James Bettcher who went on to using him almost exclusively in zone— just no cohesive vision between a GM and coaching staff. 2) Moving up 7 slots for a guy with the issues Baker supposedly had when I thought the whole theme of DG was “clean up the culture.” 3) Not to mention there were 3 or 4 other CBs on the board of similar value so moving up really made no sense anyway. The whole thing was stupid. Meanwhile there were about 4 WRs on the board of 1st round talent due to that draft being a deep WR 1st round prospects. If Gettleman had stayed put, kept his capital, and and drafted AJ Brown or DK Metcalf at #37 think about how much different this team might look today.
if instead of Sam Beal and Deandre Baker, Gettleman devoted those picks to additional lineman?
The Baker pick especially will haunt us as it was a #1, a premium pick and we gave up quite a bit to move up for a guy who reputedly has "practice issues" (as in lazy) in college.
I get taking a chance. I really do cause if you HIT that is awesome. But here we blew it. If we had stood pat and took a starter in the 2nd round who is to say we weren't a playoff team last year?
Woulda. Coulda. Shoulda. My hope at this point, honestly, is that Beal matures from this experience and he comes to camp on fire. You can't have enough good defensive backs and he does have the physical tools.
If there is no jail time perhaps he learned a hard lesson that will HELP him mature rather than sink him?
The Baker thing will forever have me looking sideways at anything Gettleman does. The move made zero sense and it was clear from the beginning. 1) because he was primarily known for his talent in man coverage in college and DG drafted him for James Bettcher who went on to using him almost exclusively in zone— just no cohesive vision between a GM and coaching staff. 2) Moving up 7 slots for a guy with the issues Baker supposedly had when I thought the whole theme of DG was “clean up the culture.” 3) Not to mention there were 3 or 4 other CBs on the board of similar value so moving up really made no sense anyway. The whole thing was stupid. Meanwhile there were about 4 WRs on the board of 1st round talent due to that draft being a deep WR 1st round prospects. If Gettleman had stayed put, kept his capital, and and drafted AJ Brown or DK Metcalf at #37 think about how much different this team might look today.
Agreed. Perhaps we had Baker graded higher and saw the opportunity to move up and BOOM history shows we blew it big-time. Metcalf would have really helped us last year as he is the big WR this team would love to have.
Not going to discuss Baker, but the move to go back into the
Bottom of the first for a player at a premium position was not foolhardy. The fifth year option is a *significant* benefit, particularly for such an expensive position. Swapped our second for the first and gave up a late 4th and a 5th in addition in a draft we had like 12 picks.
IMO he will eventually get cut. He was always considered a stretch to be taken in the supp. draft where he was taken.
That's simply not true. Stop with the revisionist history. The vast majority of pundits projected Beal to go for a 3rd round bid, and a handful even said he was worth a 2nd.
It's no secret that you despise Gettleman, and you can zing him for a lot of things, but using a 3rd in the Supplemental Draft for Beal isn't one of them. Just because Beal looks like a bust now doesn't mean he was a bad pick at the time it was made. It wasn't.
IMO he will eventually get cut. He was always considered a stretch to be taken in the supp. draft where he was taken.
That's simply not true. Stop with the revisionist history. The vast majority of pundits projected Beal to go for a 3rd round bid, and a handful even said he was worth a 2nd.
It's no secret that you despise Gettleman, and you can zing him for a lot of things, but using a 3rd in the Supplemental Draft for Beal isn't one of them. Just because Beal looks like a bust now doesn't mean he was a bad pick at the time it was made. It wasn't.
You know what- I looked up on internet - you're right - I was wrong. He was projected 2nd or 3rd rd. Maybe as the article mentions below I had confused ineligibility with projected draft pick selection.
As far as criticism for DG and I hate him- you're right and thank you for the point of bringing it up seeing how you felt it such a big deal for a 3rd rd pick (I thought it was just a simple comment I made but seeing how you are putting my hate for him in an implication of an unjustified opinion)- let's review some of past FA's prior to last year and 1st rd picks:
1-- I've been right about the blundering pick so far of Barkley (a RB in rebuild).
2-- If DG felt he was in rebuild then why spend so much and give up draft picks for Ogeltree? This is the time when many on here were giving the DG excuse about "cap space."
3-- I criticized the Solder move which I was right.
4--And I thought taking Tate was a very bad move for the money spent which I was right.
5-- And at least last year I thought there were 3 better OT's than Thomas of the big 4 and he was a consensus 3rd best OT and we ended up taking him 1st. And according to PFF his 1st year he was 3rd in terms of performance. It's not that this is that bad- just more frustration with DG at the time.
***-- With that said it should also be known after 2019 season I was on board to keep DG because Jones might work out. I was heavily against Jones at 1st but as of right now I think he can be good enough. Potential kudos to DG.
Now I want you and others to be fair - and read the link below. The following sentence in the link says it all -
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"Gettleman also admitted that he overestimated the state of the roster and believing that the team could win while it was rebuilding."
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What if you thought this was what he believed at the time in some manner and thought this was incredibly stupid? So if you hated this philosophy while you hate the arrogance of the man for a team that has sucked, while you hated both most the FA big signings and 1st rd draft picks while hate the continuous losing in which you think the philosophy is part of this continuous awful play, then why wouldn’t you hate him? THE HUBRIS OF HIS THOUGHT PROCESS THAT HE COULD DO THIS YET REMAIN SO FREAKIN' ARROGANT WHILE ATTMETPING IT- IS MIND-BOGGLING.
I won't wear a cheerleading skirt on here like some do. However I do see improvement now - this year 7-10 is an improvement and better for next year when they further address the OL. If I'm right that the OL is the big cause for 7-10 or worse, then both DG and Judge are at fault for this to a degree, right?
In summary. I made a mistake with my comment of draft pick of Beal- that’s all. And I do think he’ll be cut unless injuries pop up. I think he’s a bad CB. We shall see. As SY had said after the season- that Beal certainly “didn’t instill any confidence” with our team.
As I said, you can zing Gettleman for a lot of things...
As for your bias showing, it's clear that pointing it out touched a nerve, hence your need to blather on about Gettleman's other failings (which, of course, have nothing to do with the Beal pick). Obviously, the truth hurt, but if your lengthy reply helped alleviate some of that pain, so be it.
RE: As I said, you can zing Gettleman for a lot of things...
As for your bias showing, it's clear that pointing it out touched a nerve, hence your need to blather on about Gettleman's other failings (which, of course, have nothing to do with the Beal pick). Obviously, the truth hurt, but if your lengthy reply helped alleviate some of that pain, so be it.
Your blathering need to make a point of my bias imo seemed to touch a nerve with you. There was no need for you to bring up my bias. I said I was wrong. And even now instead of accepting it you further need to make a further blathering comment.
And in terms of my bias, so far has chosen to be correct, has it not?
RE: RE: As I said, you can zing Gettleman for a lot of things...
As for your bias showing, it's clear that pointing it out touched a nerve, hence your need to blather on about Gettleman's other failings (which, of course, have nothing to do with the Beal pick). Obviously, the truth hurt, but if your lengthy reply helped alleviate some of that pain, so be it.
Your blathering need to make a point of my bias imo seemed to touch a nerve with you. There was no need for you to bring up my bias. I said I was wrong. And even now instead of accepting it you further need to make a further blathering comment.
And in terms of my bias, so far has chosen to be correct, has it not?
Of course there was. In your zeal to criticize Gettleman you said something that was patently false. You didn't bother to check the facts (until you were called on it), because you didn't care. All you cared about was sticking it to Gettleman. Also, I never said you were wrong about him except in this one instance, so everything else you wrote about him is irrelevant.
Suggestion: Next time Google first, post second.
RE: RE: RE: As I said, you can zing Gettleman for a lot of things...
As for your bias showing, it's clear that pointing it out touched a nerve, hence your need to blather on about Gettleman's other failings (which, of course, have nothing to do with the Beal pick). Obviously, the truth hurt, but if your lengthy reply helped alleviate some of that pain, so be it.
Your blathering need to make a point of my bias imo seemed to touch a nerve with you. There was no need for you to bring up my bias. I said I was wrong. And even now instead of accepting it you further need to make a further blathering comment.
And in terms of my bias, so far has chosen to be correct, has it not?
Of course there was. In your zeal to criticize Gettleman you said something that was patently false. You didn't bother to check the facts (until you were called on it), because you didn't care. All you cared about was sticking it to Gettleman. Also, I never said you were wrong about him except in this one instance, so everything else you wrote about him is irrelevant.
Suggestion: Next time Google first, post second.
If I think I was right about something why do I need to check?
And again I admit I was wrong yet you keep blathering on about my bias.
Instead of just accepting I made a mistake you keep incorrectly trying to tie in my hate toward DG with my mistake. If you are going to tell me to check- and I didn't- and admitted I made a mistake- how does that relate to my hate towards DG? -- Further I've acknowledged I'm okay with DG not being fired and remain hopeful for Jones. To go to the extreme argument you are taking on with me is a bit over-the-top.
Suggestion: Next time you post get the bug out of your ass.
“If I think I was right about something why do I need to check?”.
Pope giantstock I
Have you ever been wrong?
Most certainly, but let me check to make sure...
Please make sure- and go back on every post you have ever made and be ready to justify any mistake you have made by proving to klaatu that you've done a thorough root cause analysis so they you may never ever make an error again.
And if it happens again please be wary of the flogging that will eventually follow.
I hate the supplemental draft. The rigor of 32 teams, with 3 dedicated months, pro days, interviews, all star games, and a competitive tournament of picks barely separates the wheat from the chaff.
The supplemental draft too often avails those who think they are better than everyone else.
“If I think I was right about something why do I need to check?”.
Pope giantstock I
Have you ever been wrong?
Most certainly, but let me check to make sure...
Please make sure- and go back on every post you have ever made and be ready to justify any mistake you have made by proving to klaatu that you've done a thorough root cause analysis so they you may never ever make an error again.
And if it happens again please be wary of the flogging that will eventually follow.
Everybody needs a good flogging every now and then. Don’t take it personal...
Please make sure- and go back on every post you have ever made and be ready to justify any mistake you have made by proving to klaatu that you've done a thorough root cause analysis so they you may never ever make an error again.
And if it happens again please be wary of the flogging that will eventually follow.
Everybody needs a good flogging every now and then. Don’t take it personal...
I'm still holding out hope he shows up in camp and shows well
He made a mistake and he may learn from it. He has two years left on his contract. If he sticks and shows he belongs and challenges as 3rd corner behind starters, well, we are in good shape.
If he fizzles and is cut he becomes part of some early bad CB picks (thinking Baker) by DG. I as a fan don't want that.
I'm really surprised with the whole drugs and guns thing
"On June 4, 2021, in Lorain County, Ohio New York Giants cornerback Sam Beal pleaded guilty to two gun-related charges, per NorthJersey.com’s Art Stapleton. The charges stem from an early June 2020 arrest near the Cleveland area where the 24-year-old was stopped for a traffic violation and subsequently charged with carrying a concealed weapon, improperly handling a firearm in a vehicle and marijuana possession less than bulk."
"On June 4, 2021, in Lorain County, Ohio New York Giants cornerback Sam Beal pleaded guilty to two gun-related charges, per NorthJersey.com’s Art Stapleton. The charges stem from an early June 2020 arrest near the Cleveland area where the 24-year-old was stopped for a traffic violation and subsequently charged with carrying a concealed weapon, improperly handling a firearm in a vehicle and marijuana possession less than bulk."
The Giants could still decide to move on, but this is one of those instances where the charges sound worse than the actual nature of the crime.
For one, the "drugs" were just marijuana - had he been driving around in New Jersey he wouldn't have even gotten a citation for that.
And it doesn't sound like there was multiple guns, but two charges stemming off of him keeping one gun in the car. There was no charge for unlawful possession, so I would assume that the gun was registered to him.
Poor judgment on Beal's part but there's nothing about this that makes me think he's out there committing crimes, harming people, or has some kind of drug addiction - and ultimately i think that's what most organizations would care about when determining whether to cut a player loose.
I mean, I hope something is worked out but a guilty plea is not good. I have to believe he will now be cut opening up a little space and some dead money.
As a fan, I had high hopes he showed up at camp a "grown up" who wanted to play but alas it doesn't look good.
I mean, I hope something is worked out but a guilty plea is not good. I have to believe he will now be cut opening up a little space and some dead money.
As a fan, I had high hopes he showed up at camp a "grown up" who wanted to play but alas it doesn't look good.
Gives new meaning to the nickname Killer Bs.
GOODBYE!
Please enlighten us how this is pertinent to woke culture?
WTF?
Put him through camp and evaluate how he's playing.
Whatever nonsense he was dealing with stayed way the hell under the radar for a full year, didn’t blow back on the org AND the Giants didn’t have to pay him his full salary or have it count a year against his contract.
His opt out has to be seen in a new light, if only for a moment.
GOODBYE!
+1
I doesn't stop with this guy.
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First Stephen Baker whom we moved up into the first round for and now Beal who we took in the third round supplemental. Premium picks we missed on!
I mean, I hope something is worked out but a guilty plea is not good. I have to believe he will now be cut opening up a little space and some dead money.
As a fan, I had high hopes he showed up at camp a "grown up" who wanted to play but alas it doesn't look good.
Stephen Baker? You're dating yourself
There's no comparison here with DeAndre Baker who, regardless of his level of participation, was still involved in a high stakes gambling event where an armed robbery took place.
I think Dave Gettleman is generally pretty good in finding quality talent. When he gave up a 3rd round pick to get Beal in the Supplemental draft I assumed it was a good get for a team that was CB needy and for a guy who some said was a possible late 1st rounder in the next draft. But as we all know, attitude and desire are just as important as talent and Beal scores very poorly in both of those categories.
The Giants should whack him now and be done with it. Just keeping him around is detrimental to the team.
There's no comparison here with DeAndre Baker who, regardless of his level of participation, was still involved in a high stakes gambling event where an armed robbery took place.
no comparisons?
Baker's case was ultimately dismissed, but the accusations were so severe that the Giants were under a lot of pressure to make a decision on him, especially with the potential of him going to prison. Beal plead guilty, but the charges aren't nearly as severe and there's no jail time in his future.
if instead of Sam Beal and Deandre Baker, Gettleman devoted those picks to additional lineman?
if instead of Sam Beal and Deandre Baker, Gettleman devoted those picks to additional lineman?
I get taking a chance. I really do cause if you HIT that is awesome. But here we blew it. If we had stood pat and took a starter in the 2nd round who is to say we weren't a playoff team last year?
Woulda. Coulda. Shoulda. My hope at this point, honestly, is that Beal matures from this experience and he comes to camp on fire. You can't have enough good defensive backs and he does have the physical tools.
If there is no jail time perhaps he learned a hard lesson that will HELP him mature rather than sink him?
He got probation, so there's no risk he goes to jail. It IS possible that the team hasn't cut him yet waiting for this to play out legally.
I still think he gets cut on the merits at the end of training camp though.
Maybe I'm missing something, why don't you lay it out?
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Maybe I'm missing something, why don't you lay it out?
They are two people who have never been in my kitchen...
He got probation, so there's no risk he goes to jail. It IS possible that the team hasn't cut him yet waiting for this to play out legally.
I still think he gets cut on the merits at the end of training camp though.
I’m not sure this is correct. The article states the incident happened in early June 2020, and his opt out happened right before his indictment, which by that point they would have known was coming the pike. The indictment did happen after his opt-out, again though, they would have had a good idea of the direction this thing was going before that time as they had two months between the event, the opt out and the indictment.
The opt out didn’t occur before the actual event and arrest. I’m open to being corrected here, but I do think your timeline is off.
He can go to camp get cut or they can cut him now.... Whatever
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if instead of Sam Beal and Deandre Baker, Gettleman devoted those picks to additional lineman?
The Baker pick especially will haunt us as it was a #1, a premium pick and we gave up quite a bit to move up for a guy who reputedly has "practice issues" (as in lazy) in college.
I get taking a chance. I really do cause if you HIT that is awesome. But here we blew it. If we had stood pat and took a starter in the 2nd round who is to say we weren't a playoff team last year?
Woulda. Coulda. Shoulda. My hope at this point, honestly, is that Beal matures from this experience and he comes to camp on fire. You can't have enough good defensive backs and he does have the physical tools.
If there is no jail time perhaps he learned a hard lesson that will HELP him mature rather than sink him?
The Baker thing will forever have me looking sideways at anything Gettleman does. The move made zero sense and it was clear from the beginning. 1) because he was primarily known for his talent in man coverage in college and DG drafted him for James Bettcher who went on to using him almost exclusively in zone— just no cohesive vision between a GM and coaching staff. 2) Moving up 7 slots for a guy with the issues Baker supposedly had when I thought the whole theme of DG was “clean up the culture.” 3) Not to mention there were 3 or 4 other CBs on the board of similar value so moving up really made no sense anyway. The whole thing was stupid. Meanwhile there were about 4 WRs on the board of 1st round talent due to that draft being a deep WR 1st round prospects. If Gettleman had stayed put, kept his capital, and and drafted AJ Brown or DK Metcalf at #37 think about how much different this team might look today.
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if instead of Sam Beal and Deandre Baker, Gettleman devoted those picks to additional lineman?
The Baker pick especially will haunt us as it was a #1, a premium pick and we gave up quite a bit to move up for a guy who reputedly has "practice issues" (as in lazy) in college.
I get taking a chance. I really do cause if you HIT that is awesome. But here we blew it. If we had stood pat and took a starter in the 2nd round who is to say we weren't a playoff team last year?
Woulda. Coulda. Shoulda. My hope at this point, honestly, is that Beal matures from this experience and he comes to camp on fire. You can't have enough good defensive backs and he does have the physical tools.
If there is no jail time perhaps he learned a hard lesson that will HELP him mature rather than sink him?
The Baker thing will forever have me looking sideways at anything Gettleman does. The move made zero sense and it was clear from the beginning. 1) because he was primarily known for his talent in man coverage in college and DG drafted him for James Bettcher who went on to using him almost exclusively in zone— just no cohesive vision between a GM and coaching staff. 2) Moving up 7 slots for a guy with the issues Baker supposedly had when I thought the whole theme of DG was “clean up the culture.” 3) Not to mention there were 3 or 4 other CBs on the board of similar value so moving up really made no sense anyway. The whole thing was stupid. Meanwhile there were about 4 WRs on the board of 1st round talent due to that draft being a deep WR 1st round prospects. If Gettleman had stayed put, kept his capital, and and drafted AJ Brown or DK Metcalf at #37 think about how much different this team might look today.
That's simply not true. Stop with the revisionist history. The vast majority of pundits projected Beal to go for a 3rd round bid, and a handful even said he was worth a 2nd.
It's no secret that you despise Gettleman, and you can zing him for a lot of things, but using a 3rd in the Supplemental Draft for Beal isn't one of them. Just because Beal looks like a bust now doesn't mean he was a bad pick at the time it was made. It wasn't.
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IMO he will eventually get cut. He was always considered a stretch to be taken in the supp. draft where he was taken.
That's simply not true. Stop with the revisionist history. The vast majority of pundits projected Beal to go for a 3rd round bid, and a handful even said he was worth a 2nd.
It's no secret that you despise Gettleman, and you can zing him for a lot of things, but using a 3rd in the Supplemental Draft for Beal isn't one of them. Just because Beal looks like a bust now doesn't mean he was a bad pick at the time it was made. It wasn't.
You know what- I looked up on internet - you're right - I was wrong. He was projected 2nd or 3rd rd. Maybe as the article mentions below I had confused ineligibility with projected draft pick selection.
https://www.bigblueview.com/2018/7/11/17562116/sam-beal-ny-giants-2018-supplemental-draft-scouting-report-analysis
As far as criticism for DG and I hate him- you're right and thank you for the point of bringing it up seeing how you felt it such a big deal for a 3rd rd pick (I thought it was just a simple comment I made but seeing how you are putting my hate for him in an implication of an unjustified opinion)- let's review some of past FA's prior to last year and 1st rd picks:
1-- I've been right about the blundering pick so far of Barkley (a RB in rebuild).
2-- If DG felt he was in rebuild then why spend so much and give up draft picks for Ogeltree? This is the time when many on here were giving the DG excuse about "cap space."
3-- I criticized the Solder move which I was right.
4--And I thought taking Tate was a very bad move for the money spent which I was right.
5-- And at least last year I thought there were 3 better OT's than Thomas of the big 4 and he was a consensus 3rd best OT and we ended up taking him 1st. And according to PFF his 1st year he was 3rd in terms of performance. It's not that this is that bad- just more frustration with DG at the time.
***-- With that said it should also be known after 2019 season I was on board to keep DG because Jones might work out. I was heavily against Jones at 1st but as of right now I think he can be good enough. Potential kudos to DG.
Now I want you and others to be fair - and read the link below. The following sentence in the link says it all -
https://www.si.com/nfl/giants/news/gettleman-admits-that-he-overestimated-the-giants-rebuild-process
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"Gettleman also admitted that he overestimated the state of the roster and believing that the team could win while it was rebuilding."
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What if you thought this was what he believed at the time in some manner and thought this was incredibly stupid? So if you hated this philosophy while you hate the arrogance of the man for a team that has sucked, while you hated both most the FA big signings and 1st rd draft picks while hate the continuous losing in which you think the philosophy is part of this continuous awful play, then why wouldn’t you hate him? THE HUBRIS OF HIS THOUGHT PROCESS THAT HE COULD DO THIS YET REMAIN SO FREAKIN' ARROGANT WHILE ATTMETPING IT- IS MIND-BOGGLING.
I won't wear a cheerleading skirt on here like some do. However I do see improvement now - this year 7-10 is an improvement and better for next year when they further address the OL. If I'm right that the OL is the big cause for 7-10 or worse, then both DG and Judge are at fault for this to a degree, right?
In summary. I made a mistake with my comment of draft pick of Beal- that’s all. And I do think he’ll be cut unless injuries pop up. I think he’s a bad CB. We shall see. As SY had said after the season- that Beal certainly “didn’t instill any confidence” with our team.
As for your bias showing, it's clear that pointing it out touched a nerve, hence your need to blather on about Gettleman's other failings (which, of course, have nothing to do with the Beal pick). Obviously, the truth hurt, but if your lengthy reply helped alleviate some of that pain, so be it.
As for your bias showing, it's clear that pointing it out touched a nerve, hence your need to blather on about Gettleman's other failings (which, of course, have nothing to do with the Beal pick). Obviously, the truth hurt, but if your lengthy reply helped alleviate some of that pain, so be it.
Your blathering need to make a point of my bias imo seemed to touch a nerve with you. There was no need for you to bring up my bias. I said I was wrong. And even now instead of accepting it you further need to make a further blathering comment.
And in terms of my bias, so far has chosen to be correct, has it not?
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But the Beal pick isn't one of them.
As for your bias showing, it's clear that pointing it out touched a nerve, hence your need to blather on about Gettleman's other failings (which, of course, have nothing to do with the Beal pick). Obviously, the truth hurt, but if your lengthy reply helped alleviate some of that pain, so be it.
Your blathering need to make a point of my bias imo seemed to touch a nerve with you. There was no need for you to bring up my bias. I said I was wrong. And even now instead of accepting it you further need to make a further blathering comment.
And in terms of my bias, so far has chosen to be correct, has it not?
Of course there was. In your zeal to criticize Gettleman you said something that was patently false. You didn't bother to check the facts (until you were called on it), because you didn't care. All you cared about was sticking it to Gettleman. Also, I never said you were wrong about him except in this one instance, so everything else you wrote about him is irrelevant.
Suggestion: Next time Google first, post second.
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But the Beal pick isn't one of them.
As for your bias showing, it's clear that pointing it out touched a nerve, hence your need to blather on about Gettleman's other failings (which, of course, have nothing to do with the Beal pick). Obviously, the truth hurt, but if your lengthy reply helped alleviate some of that pain, so be it.
Your blathering need to make a point of my bias imo seemed to touch a nerve with you. There was no need for you to bring up my bias. I said I was wrong. And even now instead of accepting it you further need to make a further blathering comment.
And in terms of my bias, so far has chosen to be correct, has it not?
Of course there was. In your zeal to criticize Gettleman you said something that was patently false. You didn't bother to check the facts (until you were called on it), because you didn't care. All you cared about was sticking it to Gettleman. Also, I never said you were wrong about him except in this one instance, so everything else you wrote about him is irrelevant.
Suggestion: Next time Google first, post second.
If I think I was right about something why do I need to check?
And again I admit I was wrong yet you keep blathering on about my bias.
Instead of just accepting I made a mistake you keep incorrectly trying to tie in my hate toward DG with my mistake. If you are going to tell me to check- and I didn't- and admitted I made a mistake- how does that relate to my hate towards DG? -- Further I've acknowledged I'm okay with DG not being fired and remain hopeful for Jones. To go to the extreme argument you are taking on with me is a bit over-the-top.
Suggestion: Next time you post get the bug out of your ass.
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Ditto.
Pope giantstock I
Have you ever been wrong?
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“If I think I was right about something why do I need to check?”.
Pope giantstock I
Have you ever been wrong?
Most certainly, but let me check to make sure...
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“If I think I was right about something why do I need to check?”.
Pope giantstock I
Have you ever been wrong?
Most certainly, but let me check to make sure...
Please make sure- and go back on every post you have ever made and be ready to justify any mistake you have made by proving to klaatu that you've done a thorough root cause analysis so they you may never ever make an error again.
And if it happens again please be wary of the flogging that will eventually follow.
The supplemental draft too often avails those who think they are better than everyone else.
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In comment 15285843 Jimmy Googs said:
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“If I think I was right about something why do I need to check?”.
Pope giantstock I
Have you ever been wrong?
Most certainly, but let me check to make sure...
Please make sure- and go back on every post you have ever made and be ready to justify any mistake you have made by proving to klaatu that you've done a thorough root cause analysis so they you may never ever make an error again.
And if it happens again please be wary of the flogging that will eventually follow.
Everybody needs a good flogging every now and then. Don’t take it personal...
Please make sure- and go back on every post you have ever made and be ready to justify any mistake you have made by proving to klaatu that you've done a thorough root cause analysis so they you may never ever make an error again.
And if it happens again please be wary of the flogging that will eventually follow.
Everybody needs a good flogging every now and then. Don’t take it personal...
If he fizzles and is cut he becomes part of some early bad CB picks (thinking Baker) by DG. I as a fan don't want that.
"On June 4, 2021, in Lorain County, Ohio New York Giants cornerback Sam Beal pleaded guilty to two gun-related charges, per NorthJersey.com’s Art Stapleton. The charges stem from an early June 2020 arrest near the Cleveland area where the 24-year-old was stopped for a traffic violation and subsequently charged with carrying a concealed weapon, improperly handling a firearm in a vehicle and marijuana possession less than bulk."
https://heavy.com/sports/new-york-giants/sam-beal-guilty-arrest-gun-charges/
"On June 4, 2021, in Lorain County, Ohio New York Giants cornerback Sam Beal pleaded guilty to two gun-related charges, per NorthJersey.com’s Art Stapleton. The charges stem from an early June 2020 arrest near the Cleveland area where the 24-year-old was stopped for a traffic violation and subsequently charged with carrying a concealed weapon, improperly handling a firearm in a vehicle and marijuana possession less than bulk."
https://heavy.com/sports/new-york-giants/sam-beal-guilty-arrest-gun-charges/
The Giants could still decide to move on, but this is one of those instances where the charges sound worse than the actual nature of the crime.
For one, the "drugs" were just marijuana - had he been driving around in New Jersey he wouldn't have even gotten a citation for that.
And it doesn't sound like there was multiple guns, but two charges stemming off of him keeping one gun in the car. There was no charge for unlawful possession, so I would assume that the gun was registered to him.
Poor judgment on Beal's part but there's nothing about this that makes me think he's out there committing crimes, harming people, or has some kind of drug addiction - and ultimately i think that's what most organizations would care about when determining whether to cut a player loose.