for some tiddlywinks bullshit like that? Meanwhile, we have people who beat pregnant women, rape women, break kid's arms, etc. in the league.
You forgot the most important thing. Those guys can play. It’s wrong none the less but Beal has been a dud. Tyreek Hill is a top 10 player at his position
for some tiddlywinks bullshit like that? Meanwhile, we have people who beat pregnant women, rape women, break kid's arms, etc. in the league.
You forgot the most important thing. Those guys can play. It’s wrong none the less but Beal has been a dud. Tyreek Hill is a top 10 player at his position
If he gets because he gets beat out by other CBs, who cares. Talking about cutting him for a crime so bad he go probation for it is nuts.
for some tiddlywinks bullshit like that? Meanwhile, we have people who beat pregnant women, rape women, break kid's arms, etc. in the league.
He's already a bum, and now a distraction on top of it. Just not worth the trouble. I know many fans will advocate for letting the system play itself out, but Beal was borderline on the chopping block already. This should just be the finishing blow.
RE: RE: Article States That Giants Are Aware of Situation...
I think they know all about it. The Giants probably told him to opt out and bring your best for 2021.
In comment 15284813 Jim in Tampa said:
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And have no comment.
If they have BEEN aware (for a while) and Beal is still on the team and in camp, then this means nothing.
If the Giants just found out about this, then it's a different story.
This is what I am hoping is the case... that the Giants actually ADVISED Beal to opt out for the 2020 season.
If that's true then it sheds a different light on the current BBI take that Beal is a lazy guy who doesn't want to play football, passed up a golden opportunity to prove himself last year, etc.
This guy doesn't want to play football, and frankly we don't need him.
What other incidents make up this "pattern"?
The guy hasn't played and is a disappointment. But let's not be silly and start connecting things that are wholly unrelated. Plenty of guys have off-field issues. It has little to do with their ability and desire to play football.
I'm going to go out on a limb here, and say the Giants
really, really believe in what he can do between the lines. It just seems like this guy would have been an easy cut if that weren't the case.
I'm still holding out hope on the guy. I like the guy we drafted out of UCF better (although his arm size may limit him to slot corner) If he can't play on boundary and Adoree or Brasberry go down, what then? It's clear that this organization is putting a ton of resources and focus on having a good and deep secondary.
I told people to give up on Beal like 2 offseaons ago so I'm way over Beal at this point. Just sucks how we can't get a sure fire 'hit' in the 3rd round for anything, for shite and for like decades now... seriously we haven't gotten a good player in the 3rd round since Mario Manningham and Justin Tuck...
RE: RE: RE: Article States That Giants Are Aware of Situation...
I think they know all about it. The Giants probably told him to opt out and bring your best for 2021.
In comment 15284813 Jim in Tampa said:
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And have no comment.
If they have BEEN aware (for a while) and Beal is still on the team and in camp, then this means nothing.
If the Giants just found out about this, then it's a different story.
This is what I am hoping is the case... that the Giants actually ADVISED Beal to opt out for the 2020 season.
If that's true then it sheds a different light on the current BBI take that Beal is a lazy guy who doesn't want to play football, passed up a golden opportunity to prove himself last year, etc.
First Stephen Baker whom we moved up into the first round for and now Beal who we took in the third round supplemental. Premium picks we missed on!
I mean, I hope something is worked out but a guilty plea is not good. I have to believe he will now be cut opening up a little space and some dead money.
As a fan, I had high hopes he showed up at camp a "grown up" who wanted to play but alas it doesn't look good.
RE: Bad judgment cornerbacks are killing this team
First Stephen Baker whom we moved up into the first round for and now Beal who we took in the third round supplemental. Premium picks we missed on!
I mean, I hope something is worked out but a guilty plea is not good. I have to believe he will now be cut opening up a little space and some dead money.
As a fan, I had high hopes he showed up at camp a "grown up" who wanted to play but alas it doesn't look good.
I just want him cut so he can no longer be associated with this Team. I said it at the end of last season and I say it now, get rid of loser players with loser mindsets and loser work ethic. Beal is one of those players.
He opted out in late July/Early August. He may have lucked into a career *extension* with the Giants due to Covid. He probably would’ve been cut in any other year.
Whatever nonsense he was dealing with stayed way the hell under the radar for a full year, didn’t blow back on the org AND the Giants didn’t have to pay him his full salary or have it count a year against his contract.
His opt out has to be seen in a new light, if only for a moment.
I wonder if that is something the commissioner’s office would be
Interested in investigating - though tricky minefield questioning motives for a Covid opt out, if the Giants or Beal played some games and took advantage, maybe the league would toll his contract, for example.
First Stephen Baker whom we moved up into the first round for and now Beal who we took in the third round supplemental. Premium picks we missed on!
I mean, I hope something is worked out but a guilty plea is not good. I have to believe he will now be cut opening up a little space and some dead money.
As a fan, I had high hopes he showed up at camp a "grown up" who wanted to play but alas it doesn't look good.
Stephen Baker? You're dating yourself
Deandre Baker #1. Stephen Baker was an OK player in his day.
Nothing I see on the web clarifies any details of this case
but I presume that the gun was properly registered to Beal, but that he didn't have a conceal permit to keep it stored in his car. If so, it's clearly bad judgment but I don't see how it's something worth cutting him over.
There's no comparison here with DeAndre Baker who, regardless of his level of participation, was still involved in a high stakes gambling event where an armed robbery took place.
This guy has to be one of the biggest losers the Giants ever wasted their time with. On top of his “I really don’t want to play” attitude which was obvious from the beginning (always seemed to have a boo-boo) we have gun charges coming right after he opted out of the 2020 season.
I think Dave Gettleman is generally pretty good in finding quality talent. When he gave up a 3rd round pick to get Beal in the Supplemental draft I assumed it was a good get for a team that was CB needy and for a guy who some said was a possible late 1st rounder in the next draft. But as we all know, attitude and desire are just as important as talent and Beal scores very poorly in both of those categories.
The Giants should whack him now and be done with it. Just keeping him around is detrimental to the team.
RE: Nothing I see on the web clarifies any details of this case
but I presume that the gun was properly registered to Beal, but that he didn't have a conceal permit to keep it stored in his car. If so, it's clearly bad judgment but I don't see how it's something worth cutting him over.
There's no comparison here with DeAndre Baker who, regardless of his level of participation, was still involved in a high stakes gambling event where an armed robbery took place.
That's about it. One was charged with a misdemeanor and expected to have his convictions dismissed, and the other was accused of committing felony armed robbery.
Baker's case was ultimately dismissed, but the accusations were so severe that the Giants were under a lot of pressure to make a decision on him, especially with the potential of him going to prison. Beal plead guilty, but the charges aren't nearly as severe and there's no jail time in his future.
what's wrong with this guy? Opportunity of a lifetime and pissing down the drain. Wake up and grow up! Maybe he should wash dishes at a local restaurant instead of playing pro football. Seems like that is what he wants. Gun in car cut this street gang bs out. It's ruined so many careers. If you need gun your definitely associated w wrong people. Rely on your toughness w hands instead of hiding behind trigger.
if instead of Sam Beal and Deandre Baker, Gettleman devoted those picks to additional lineman?
The Baker pick especially will haunt us as it was a #1, a premium pick and we gave up quite a bit to move up for a guy who reputedly has "practice issues" (as in lazy) in college.
I get taking a chance. I really do cause if you HIT that is awesome. But here we blew it. If we had stood pat and took a starter in the 2nd round who is to say we weren't a playoff team last year?
Woulda. Coulda. Shoulda. My hope at this point, honestly, is that Beal matures from this experience and he comes to camp on fire. You can't have enough good defensive backs and he does have the physical tools.
If there is no jail time perhaps he learned a hard lesson that will HELP him mature rather than sink him?
True if he has learned a lesson I would give him another chance to
He opted out 9 DAYS before the incident. Thus the team clearly didn't "tell him to opt out".
He got probation, so there's no risk he goes to jail. It IS possible that the team hasn't cut him yet waiting for this to play out legally.
I still think he gets cut on the merits at the end of training camp though.
You forgot the most important thing. Those guys can play. It’s wrong none the less but Beal has been a dud. Tyreek Hill is a top 10 player at his position
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for some tiddlywinks bullshit like that? Meanwhile, we have people who beat pregnant women, rape women, break kid's arms, etc. in the league.
You forgot the most important thing. Those guys can play. It’s wrong none the less but Beal has been a dud. Tyreek Hill is a top 10 player at his position
If he gets because he gets beat out by other CBs, who cares. Talking about cutting him for a crime so bad he go probation for it is nuts.
I guess we cut him now?
Solid pick from the get-go...
If they have BEEN aware (for a while) and Beal is still on the team and in camp, then this means nothing.
If the Giants just found out about this, then it's a different story.
In comment 15284813 Jim in Tampa said:
If they have BEEN aware (for a while) and Beal is still on the team and in camp, then this means nothing.
If the Giants just found out about this, then it's a different story.
He's already a bum, and now a distraction on top of it. Just not worth the trouble. I know many fans will advocate for letting the system play itself out, but Beal was borderline on the chopping block already. This should just be the finishing blow.
In comment 15284813 Jim in Tampa said:
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And have no comment.
If they have BEEN aware (for a while) and Beal is still on the team and in camp, then this means nothing.
If the Giants just found out about this, then it's a different story.
This is what I am hoping is the case... that the Giants actually ADVISED Beal to opt out for the 2020 season.
If that's true then it sheds a different light on the current BBI take that Beal is a lazy guy who doesn't want to play football, passed up a golden opportunity to prove himself last year, etc.
Sam Beal is yet another pre Judge, Gettleman special. Hopefully those days are over now.
What other incidents make up this "pattern"?
The guy hasn't played and is a disappointment. But let's not be silly and start connecting things that are wholly unrelated. Plenty of guys have off-field issues. It has little to do with their ability and desire to play football.
I'm still holding out hope on the guy. I like the guy we drafted out of UCF better (although his arm size may limit him to slot corner) If he can't play on boundary and Adoree or Brasberry go down, what then? It's clear that this organization is putting a ton of resources and focus on having a good and deep secondary.
I told people to give up on Beal like 2 offseaons ago so I'm way over Beal at this point. Just sucks how we can't get a sure fire 'hit' in the 3rd round for anything, for shite and for like decades now... seriously we haven't gotten a good player in the 3rd round since Mario Manningham and Justin Tuck...
In comment 15284838 Jim in Tampa said:
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I think they know all about it. The Giants probably told him to opt out and bring your best for 2021.
In comment 15284813 Jim in Tampa said:
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And have no comment.
If they have BEEN aware (for a while) and Beal is still on the team and in camp, then this means nothing.
If the Giants just found out about this, then it's a different story.
This is what I am hoping is the case... that the Giants actually ADVISED Beal to opt out for the 2020 season.
If that's true then it sheds a different light on the current BBI take that Beal is a lazy guy who doesn't want to play football, passed up a golden opportunity to prove himself last year, etc.
I mean, I hope something is worked out but a guilty plea is not good. I have to believe he will now be cut opening up a little space and some dead money.
As a fan, I had high hopes he showed up at camp a "grown up" who wanted to play but alas it doesn't look good.
I mean, I hope something is worked out but a guilty plea is not good. I have to believe he will now be cut opening up a little space and some dead money.
As a fan, I had high hopes he showed up at camp a "grown up" who wanted to play but alas it doesn't look good.
Gives new meaning to the nickname Killer Bs.
GOODBYE!
Please enlighten us how this is pertinent to woke culture?
WTF?
Put him through camp and evaluate how he's playing.
Whatever nonsense he was dealing with stayed way the hell under the radar for a full year, didn’t blow back on the org AND the Giants didn’t have to pay him his full salary or have it count a year against his contract.
His opt out has to be seen in a new light, if only for a moment.
GOODBYE!
+1
I doesn't stop with this guy.
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First Stephen Baker whom we moved up into the first round for and now Beal who we took in the third round supplemental. Premium picks we missed on!
I mean, I hope something is worked out but a guilty plea is not good. I have to believe he will now be cut opening up a little space and some dead money.
As a fan, I had high hopes he showed up at camp a "grown up" who wanted to play but alas it doesn't look good.
Stephen Baker? You're dating yourself
There's no comparison here with DeAndre Baker who, regardless of his level of participation, was still involved in a high stakes gambling event where an armed robbery took place.
I think Dave Gettleman is generally pretty good in finding quality talent. When he gave up a 3rd round pick to get Beal in the Supplemental draft I assumed it was a good get for a team that was CB needy and for a guy who some said was a possible late 1st rounder in the next draft. But as we all know, attitude and desire are just as important as talent and Beal scores very poorly in both of those categories.
The Giants should whack him now and be done with it. Just keeping him around is detrimental to the team.
There's no comparison here with DeAndre Baker who, regardless of his level of participation, was still involved in a high stakes gambling event where an armed robbery took place.
no comparisons?
Baker's case was ultimately dismissed, but the accusations were so severe that the Giants were under a lot of pressure to make a decision on him, especially with the potential of him going to prison. Beal plead guilty, but the charges aren't nearly as severe and there's no jail time in his future.
if instead of Sam Beal and Deandre Baker, Gettleman devoted those picks to additional lineman?
if instead of Sam Beal and Deandre Baker, Gettleman devoted those picks to additional lineman?
I get taking a chance. I really do cause if you HIT that is awesome. But here we blew it. If we had stood pat and took a starter in the 2nd round who is to say we weren't a playoff team last year?
Woulda. Coulda. Shoulda. My hope at this point, honestly, is that Beal matures from this experience and he comes to camp on fire. You can't have enough good defensive backs and he does have the physical tools.
If there is no jail time perhaps he learned a hard lesson that will HELP him mature rather than sink him?
He got probation, so there's no risk he goes to jail. It IS possible that the team hasn't cut him yet waiting for this to play out legally.
I still think he gets cut on the merits at the end of training camp though.