I was the biggest Carter fan as his athleticism was off the charts even though his college production was mediocre. I felt he had flashes and was starting to put it together. Then the injury happened. I have been ripped for this on these board but will say it again....
He didn’tj just tear his Achilles. It was a complete rupture. That is far worse. Many don’t seem to realize this. A good percentage never make it back. I don’t even know what the stats are for those that do make it back re how effective they are versus pre-injury.
This is what we know. There has been ZERO team updates re Carter. We paid good FA money to an situational edge rusher from Minny. We drafted an edge who dropped to 2nd rod that had a medical flag re a degenerative knee.
Does anyone else see the same signs re Carter’s future with the Giants?
Serious question: How would PEDs help recovery from a ruptured Achilles?
PEDs will help him gain the size and strength need to become a better player. He definitely upped his PED usage last offseason in that window they can all do it, and what happens is because your tendons heal and grow at a much slower rate than muscle and strength does, they have a higher propensity for these type of injuries. Apparently there are some you can take specifically for Tendon strength, but don't quote me on that.
But they giveth and taketh away, eventually you return to what was sub-baseline size, strength, and explosivness a year or so later (why I thought Tate was going to suck balls), until you return to what was a slightly higher baseline for size, explosiveness, and strength than pre increased PED usage.
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Whatchu talkin' 'bout, Tuna?
I stand corrected. This will be Carter’s breakout season as it’s the last year of his contract lol
You're an idiot. I'm not very high on Carter at all, but I'm not dumb enough to write "There has been ZERO team updates re Carter," when there have been comments about him from his teammates, and pictures of him working at the OTA's without restrictions.
But you go ahead and triple down on the stupid if it makes you feel good.
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Whatchu talkin' 'bout, Tuna?
I stand corrected. This will be Carter’s breakout season as it’s the last year of his contract lol
You're an idiot. I'm not very high on Carter at all, but I'm not dumb enough to write "There has been ZERO team updates re Carter," when there have been comments about him from his teammates, and pictures of him working at the OTA's without restrictions.
But you go ahead and triple down on the stupid if it makes you feel good.
Honestly I haven’t seen much and will own that. I guess it’s good he’s participating in OTAs “without limitation”. He always had freakish athletic ability but his production didn’t match. I guess we will see.
Party pooper
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Whatchu talkin' 'bout, Tuna?
I stand corrected. This will be Carter’s breakout season as it’s the last year of his contract lol
You're an idiot. I'm not very high on Carter at all, but I'm not dumb enough to write "There has been ZERO team updates re Carter," when there have been comments about him from his teammates, and pictures of him working at the OTA's without restrictions.
But you go ahead and triple down on the stupid if it makes you feel good.
Btw leading with “you’re an idiot” is usually not the best way to win an argument on facts and/or analysis. But it did make me laugh.
Btw leading with “you’re an idiot” is usually not the best way to win an argument on facts and/or analysis. But it did make me laugh.
Actually, it's the best way to deal with an idiot.
This bothers me almost as much as the Rushmore posts.
This bothers me almost as much as the Rushmore posts.
So that makes it to your Rushmore of BBI post peeves list
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He didn’tj just tear his Achilles. It was a complete rupture. That is far worse. Many don’t seem to realize this. A good percentage never make it back.
What’s the so-called percentage?
You obviously think a tear is the same as a complete rupture so just go with that and I hope you are right.
With regard to your last sentence ... "You obviously think a tear is the same as a complete rupture", it appears you may not be aware that Big Blue 56 is an orthopedic surgeon.
We don't have a clear huge sack guy, but this D has a lot of talent. If used well, it should be a solid D next year.
I'm not judging it because almost all these guys are on gear. It was just blindingly obvious to me, the guy put on 10lbs of pure muscle in a 2-3 month period. I mean they wrote articles on him getting bigger that offseason. That's all I really needed to see as far as proof, but then he goes and ruptures his Achilles for the cherry on top.
Why? How about?
“You can never have too many pass rushers”
While Carter has the highest ceiling and I’d love to see him reach it, they will be okay if he doesn’t have that breakout we’ve been waiting for. And if it happens, it’s a bonus and they have to then worry about paying him (or get a nice comp pick when someone else gives him the bag)
BB 56' posted something from the athletic that verified this a month or so ago. They have improved on reattachment surgery precision and generally have immobilization last a much shorter timetable and get movement back into the area much faster.
This has allowed athletes to come back much faster across sports.
Why? How about?
“You can never have too many pass rushers”
Again who is the expensive FA situational pass rusher the Giants signed? Is $2.5 million considered expensive?
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You couldn't be more wrong.
He's been practicing without limitations from throughout the OTAs and veteran mini-camp. The reporters not only have remarked about Carter, but have highlighted that he looks completely normal. (He even had a leaping interception in one practice).
Eric, I hope you are right.
I wonder what the PED testing is like in the offseason.
Only way I can see him reasonably bouncing back this year. Still 9 months off an injury like that without being able to train coming with rebound heavier PED usage, let's see what he does when he puts on the pads.
David Boston Syndrome?
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Btw leading with “you’re an idiot” is usually not the best way to win an argument on facts and/or analysis. But it did make me laugh.
Actually, it's the best way to deal with an idiot.
Thanks for the chuckle again
This bothers me almost as much as the Rushmore posts.
You just made my argument Re complete Achilles rupture va tear. You also assume I don’t know the difference from a medical perspective.
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People are constantly reporting/giving opinions on medical injuries in players when: they are not medical people, they don’t know what the real medical in the field say let alone the medical people treating the player and clearly they have never met let alone examined the player. It’s often something like my aunt Tilley or my brother-in-law had this kind of injury and was laid up for a year.
This bothers me almost as much as the Rushmore posts.
You just made my argument Re complete Achilles rupture va tear. You also assume I don’t know the difference from a medical perspective.
Let’s see one of the BBI physicians that are comfortable explaining the difference explain the difference between an Achilles tear vs a complete Achilles rupture. Let’s base this on facts and science rather Klatuu’a 3rd grade theory of the universe lol
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You couldn't be more wrong.
Eric, I hope you are right.
I wonder what the PED testing is like in the offseason.
David Boston Syndrome?
I still have no idea how he was flying under radar. Can say same thing about DK Metkalf, but I can imagine he’s on some designer SARMs
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You couldn't be more wrong.
Eric, I hope you are right.
I wonder what the PED testing is like in the offseason.
David Boston Syndrome?
I still have no idea how he was flying under radar. Can say same thing about DK Metkalf, but I can imagine he’s on some designer SARMs
Maybe you have some inside info on this, but it’s pretty easy to gain 10-15 lbs of lean muscle in a couple weeks time with 4-6 scoops a day with a good ol’ protein shake.
That would also have the same effect of putting more pressure on the ligaments and tendons
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People are constantly reporting/giving opinions on medical injuries in players when: they are not medical people, they don’t know what the real medical in the field say let alone the medical people treating the player and clearly they have never met let alone examined the player. It’s often something like my aunt Tilley or my brother-in-law had this kind of injury and was laid up for a year.
This bothers me almost as much as the Rushmore posts.
You just made my argument Re complete Achilles rupture va tear. You also assume I don’t know the difference from a medical perspective.
Let’s see one of the BBI physicians that are comfortable explaining the difference explain the difference between an Achilles tear vs a complete Achilles rupture. Let’s base this on facts and science rather Klatuu’a 3rd grade theory of the universe lol
BB56, who you argued with earlier is a Doctor I do believe
I know nothing about Achilles injuries. But I do know a fair amount about the Giants’ allocation of cap space. NJBlueTuna’s grasp of the team’s recent UFA signings appears less than firm.
I think he will still contribute, maybe even thrive, but not as an outside LB in a 3-4. Maybe yes, in a 4-3 or maybe a 3-4 ILB. His weakness will be running the arc, the same weakness he had before.
You'll get received a lot better around here.
But mediocre college stats - In 48 games at Georgia he had a total of 15 sacks, 1 pass defended, 83 solo tackles. His performance in the pros is similar (or worse).
Remind me again, why did we draft him in the 3rd round ?
But mediocre college stats - In 48 games at Georgia he had a total of 15 sacks, 1 pass defended, 83 solo tackles. His performance in the pros is similar (or worse).
Remind me again, why did we draft him in the 3rd round ?
But yeah average college stats.
Do you know how many good college players there are in the SEC?
A lot...
Here are the facts I chronological order:
-elite athleticism
-very mediocre college production
-3rd pick
-has flashed at times but little pro production for his athletic gifts and entering his contract year
-COMPLETE RUPTURE of Achilles and not a tear
-team spends big FA money on a situational edge rusher
-team spends a high draft pick on an edge rusher and takes another developmental edge in the 4th
-he is in a contract year and will do everything he can to participate to get on the field this year
I am not a doctor Re rupture can tear but there were physicians on this board who commented on it when it happened
What am I missing?
You're really not starting off well here!
Golladay is a wide receiver...
Jackson is a cornerback...
And you are an oblivious troll.
GOOD DAY, SIR.
Here are the facts I chronological order:
-elite athleticism
-very mediocre college production
-3rd pick
-has flashed at times but little pro production for his athletic gifts and entering his contract year
-COMPLETE RUPTURE of Achilles and not a tear
-team spends big FA money on a situational edge rusher
-team spends a high draft pick on an edge rusher and takes another developmental edge in the 4th
-he is in a contract year and will do everything he can to participate to get on the field this year
I am not a doctor Re rupture can tear but there were physicians on this board who commented on it when it happened
What am I missing?
2.5mil for Odenigbbo is big money? Carter is still playing with the 1’s. Him and Ojulari prob get most of the snaps. Sprinkle in some Odenigbo (although I envision him mostly being used inside on pass rush downs) and likely Ximines is next up, maybe Anderson on early downs. Smith IMO is a bit raw and won’t be ready to contribute till late if at all. Coughlin I’m hearing may see more of an off-ball role and Brown will be mixed in a but mostly ST.
Golladay is a wide receiver...
Jackson is a cornerback...
And you are an oblivious troll.
GOOD DAY, SIR.
I like our off-season and draft. Yes, its all on "paper" at this point but I honestly have this "gut feeling" that with Judge and staff we are moving up up and away! 11-6 is a possibility.
Regarding muscle gain, everything I have read is you can put on two pounds of muscle a month but that is for a untrained individual for six months or so. After that it gets harder and harder (1 pound of a few more months, 1/2 pound etc.).
Since players have been hitting the iron for years before the NFL when you hear "So and so added 15 pounds of muscle" after his rookie year or later the radar should go up.
Regarding muscle gain, everything I have read is you can put on two pounds of muscle a month but that is for a untrained individual for six months or so. After that it gets harder and harder (1 pound of a few more months, 1/2 pound etc.).
Since players have been hitting the iron for years before the NFL when you hear "So and so added 15 pounds of muscle" after his rookie year or later the radar should go up.
I was BIG at age 25 and I didn't have to diet much to get a flat stomach. I wasgifted genetically!
Medical literature reports 'Return To Platy' (RTP) as an outcome of achilleas tendon rupture.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5136353/
However regarding NFL players:
Of those that suffered an Achilles tendon rupture, 26% did not ever return to play
in the NFL. Players who did return to play in the NFL took an average of 9 months to recover after the date of injury. Across all
positions, there was a net decrease in power ratings by 22% and a net decrease in approximate value by 23% over 3 years
following player return after Achilles tendon rupture. Across all positions, running backs saw the biggest decrease in production
with a 78% decrease over 3 years post-injury in both power ratings and approximate value.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/2473011417S000314
Rate of RTP following primary Achilles tendon tears may be lower than previously published. However, for those able to return, performance only in the season immediately following injury appears to be affected; players return to preinjury levels if given the opportunity to play >1 season after injury.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6415485/
This may seem counterintuitive but may be explained by the better conditioning of athletes in soccer vs baseball.
https://www.dukeorthojournal.com/article.asp?issn=2231-5055;year=2019;volume=9;issue=1;spage=26;epage=29;aulast=Danilkowicz
As to what the know nothing reporters say in a half speed, non contact workout, I tend to ignore it.
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Serious question: How would PEDs help recovery from a ruptured Achilles?
PEDs will help him gain the size and strength need to become a better player. He definitely upped his PED usage last offseason in that window they can all do it, and what happens is because your tendons heal and grow at a much slower rate than muscle and strength does, they have a higher propensity for these type of injuries. Apparently there are some you can take specifically for Tendon strength, but don't quote me on that.
But they giveth and taketh away, eventually you return to what was sub-baseline size, strength, and explosivness a year or so later (why I thought Tate was going to suck balls), until you return to what was a slightly higher baseline for size, explosiveness, and strength than pre increased PED usage.
I believe you’re thinking of Equipoise. It has that reputation. Not sure if there’s any science to back it.
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Without actual proof or facts
I'm not judging it because almost all these guys are on gear. It was just blindingly obvious to me, the guy put on 10lbs of pure muscle in a 2-3 month period. I mean they wrote articles on him getting bigger that offseason. That's all I really needed to see as far as proof, but then he goes and ruptures his Achilles for the cherry on top.
Adding ten pounds in three months is proof of Performance Enhancing Drug usage especially if the athlete in a contact sport suffers an ligament injury afterwards?
Not being naïve about the use of PEDs in sports but that's a bit over the top, don't you think?
I think he will still contribute, maybe even thrive, but not as an outside LB in a 3-4. Maybe yes, in a 4-3 or maybe a 3-4 ILB. His weakness will be running the arc, the same weakness he had before.
What is Carter best at?
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Without actual proof or facts
Not being naïve about the use of PEDs in sports but that's a bit over the top, don't you think?
It’s not adding 10lbs, it’s adding 10 lbs of pure muscle. It was really apparent in the pictures and I had made comments at the time. I was actually pretty excited about his upcoming season last year for that reason. He did flash in his few reps.
To the guy that said you can put ten pounds of muscle on just eating protein powder, yeh sure if the guy has never lifted before. These dudes are already close to maxed out by time they hit NFL, outside of the very slow muscle growth that accompanies advanced/elite training. At that point you are looking at 1lb of muscle a year. You can still get stronger until you are about 40 or so due to building bone density.