I was the biggest Carter fan as his athleticism was off the charts even though his college production was mediocre. I felt he had flashes and was starting to put it together. Then the injury happened. I have been ripped for this on these board but will say it again....
He didn’tj just tear his Achilles. It was a complete rupture. That is far worse. Many don’t seem to realize this. A good percentage never make it back. I don’t even know what the stats are for those that do make it back re how effective they are versus pre-injury.
This is what we know. There has been ZERO team updates re Carter. We paid good FA money to an situational edge rusher from Minny. We drafted an edge who dropped to 2nd rod that had a medical flag re a degenerative knee.
Does anyone else see the same signs re Carter’s future with the Giants?
He's been practicing without limitations from throughout the OTAs and veteran mini-camp. The reporters not only have remarked about Carter, but have highlighted that he looks completely normal. (He even had a leaping interception in one practice).
He's been practicing without limitations from throughout the OTAs and veteran mini-camp. The reporters not only have remarked about Carter, but have highlighted that he looks completely normal. (He even had a leaping interception in one practice).
Eric, I hope you are right.
Lmfao. Team statement? Judge never answers questions on injuries.
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You couldn't be more wrong.
He's been practicing without limitations from throughout the OTAs and veteran mini-camp. The reporters not only have remarked about Carter, but have highlighted that he looks completely normal. (He even had a leaping interception in one practice).
Eric, I hope you are right.
I wonder what the PED testing is like in the offseason.
His calling card was his freakish athletic ability. What many are ignoring on this site is the difference been an Achilles tear vs a complete rupture. And btw, just a “tear” is significant injury with long term impact for many.
Could he be permanently damaged goods? Sure. But none of us expected him to be even practicing yet and he has been practicing without limitation. That's not an opinion.
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You couldn't be more wrong.
He's been practicing without limitations from throughout the OTAs and veteran mini-camp. The reporters not only have remarked about Carter, but have highlighted that he looks completely normal. (He even had a leaping interception in one practice).
Eric, I hope you are right.
I wonder what the PED testing is like in the offseason.
Only way I can see him reasonably bouncing back this year. Still 9 months off an injury like that without being able to train coming with rebound heavier PED usage, let's see what he does when he puts on the pads.
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into the PEDs last offseason because his game relies on his athletic ability so much and he paid the piper. Hard to see him doing anything this year that makes him part of the plans in 2022. I have way higher hopes for our 4th rounder. In fact I think Carter is a "surprise" cut, there's a lot of bodies there and he's in last year of his rookie deal.
His calling card was his freakish athletic ability. What many are ignoring on this site is the difference been an Achilles tear vs a complete rupture. And btw, just a “tear” is significant injury with long term impact for many.
Who is ignoring it? You are making a lot of speculations.
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In comment 15284856 Eric from BBI said:
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You couldn't be more wrong.
He's been practicing without limitations from throughout the OTAs and veteran mini-camp. The reporters not only have remarked about Carter, but have highlighted that he looks completely normal. (He even had a leaping interception in one practice).
Eric, I hope you are right.
I wonder what the PED testing is like in the offseason.
Only way I can see him reasonably bouncing back this year. Still 9 months off an injury like that without being able to train coming with rebound heavier PED usage, let's see what he does when he puts on the pads.
Who did the Giants spend 7 million a year on? Odenigbo is making just $2.5 million. Do you guys realize that the Giants start two OLB’s in their scheme? I would be more concerned if I were Ximines.
Could he be permanently damaged goods? Sure. But none of us expected him to be even practicing yet and he has been practicing without limitation. That's not an opinion.
Agree it is not about you being right or wrong. It is based upon the facts as I posted them (rupture vs tear, signing an expensive FA situational edge and spending a top draft pick on another edge) and him participating in OTAs. All facts.
I could see the Giants going with an edge rusher early in the 2022 draft given that they have at least three with their contracts expiring after 2021: Carter, Odenigbo, and Anderson. On the other hand the Patriots' system (which we're drawing from) seems to prefer mediocre pass rushers he might still fit.
Whatchu talkin' 'bout, Tuna?
Odenigbo has been working with the edge rushers. He can can play down (and inside) in pass-rush packages, as he did in Minnesota. They even gave him a LB number.
He didn’tj just tear his Achilles. It was a complete rupture. That is far worse. Many don’t seem to realize this. A good percentage never make it back.
What’s the so-called percentage?
Blake Martinez already loves these Giants - ( New Window )
Whatchu talkin' 'bout, Tuna?
I stand corrected. This will be Carter’s breakout season as it’s the last year of his contract lol
Could he be permanently damaged goods? Sure. But none of us expected him to be even practicing yet and he has been practicing without limitation. That's not an opinion.
Objective facts suck when they get in the way of a good rant.
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He didn’tj just tear his Achilles. It was a complete rupture. That is far worse. Many don’t seem to realize this. A good percentage never make it back.
What’s the so-called percentage?
You obviously think a tear is the same as a complete rupture so just go with that and I hope you are right.
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He didn’tj just tear his Achilles. It was a complete rupture. That is far worse. Many don’t seem to realize this. A good percentage never make it back.
What’s the so-called percentage?
You obviously think a tear is the same as a complete rupture so just go with that and I hope you are right.
What? I simply asked you to provide the data that supports your thesis that “a good percentage, never make it back.” What is a “good percentage?”
Serious question: How would PEDs help recovery from a ruptured Achilles?
PEDs will help him gain the size and strength need to become a better player. He definitely upped his PED usage last offseason in that window they can all do it, and what happens is because your tendons heal and grow at a much slower rate than muscle and strength does, they have a higher propensity for these type of injuries. Apparently there are some you can take specifically for Tendon strength, but don't quote me on that.
But they giveth and taketh away, eventually you return to what was sub-baseline size, strength, and explosivness a year or so later (why I thought Tate was going to suck balls), until you return to what was a slightly higher baseline for size, explosiveness, and strength than pre increased PED usage.
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Whatchu talkin' 'bout, Tuna?
I stand corrected. This will be Carter’s breakout season as it’s the last year of his contract lol
You're an idiot. I'm not very high on Carter at all, but I'm not dumb enough to write "There has been ZERO team updates re Carter," when there have been comments about him from his teammates, and pictures of him working at the OTA's without restrictions.
But you go ahead and triple down on the stupid if it makes you feel good.
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Whatchu talkin' 'bout, Tuna?
I stand corrected. This will be Carter’s breakout season as it’s the last year of his contract lol
You're an idiot. I'm not very high on Carter at all, but I'm not dumb enough to write "There has been ZERO team updates re Carter," when there have been comments about him from his teammates, and pictures of him working at the OTA's without restrictions.
But you go ahead and triple down on the stupid if it makes you feel good.
Honestly I haven’t seen much and will own that. I guess it’s good he’s participating in OTAs “without limitation”. He always had freakish athletic ability but his production didn’t match. I guess we will see.
Party pooper
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Whatchu talkin' 'bout, Tuna?
I stand corrected. This will be Carter’s breakout season as it’s the last year of his contract lol
You're an idiot. I'm not very high on Carter at all, but I'm not dumb enough to write "There has been ZERO team updates re Carter," when there have been comments about him from his teammates, and pictures of him working at the OTA's without restrictions.
But you go ahead and triple down on the stupid if it makes you feel good.
Btw leading with “you’re an idiot” is usually not the best way to win an argument on facts and/or analysis. But it did make me laugh.
Btw leading with “you’re an idiot” is usually not the best way to win an argument on facts and/or analysis. But it did make me laugh.
Actually, it's the best way to deal with an idiot.
This bothers me almost as much as the Rushmore posts.
This bothers me almost as much as the Rushmore posts.
So that makes it to your Rushmore of BBI post peeves list
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He didn’tj just tear his Achilles. It was a complete rupture. That is far worse. Many don’t seem to realize this. A good percentage never make it back.
What’s the so-called percentage?
You obviously think a tear is the same as a complete rupture so just go with that and I hope you are right.
With regard to your last sentence ... "You obviously think a tear is the same as a complete rupture", it appears you may not be aware that Big Blue 56 is an orthopedic surgeon.
We don't have a clear huge sack guy, but this D has a lot of talent. If used well, it should be a solid D next year.
I'm not judging it because almost all these guys are on gear. It was just blindingly obvious to me, the guy put on 10lbs of pure muscle in a 2-3 month period. I mean they wrote articles on him getting bigger that offseason. That's all I really needed to see as far as proof, but then he goes and ruptures his Achilles for the cherry on top.
Why? How about?
“You can never have too many pass rushers”
While Carter has the highest ceiling and I’d love to see him reach it, they will be okay if he doesn’t have that breakout we’ve been waiting for. And if it happens, it’s a bonus and they have to then worry about paying him (or get a nice comp pick when someone else gives him the bag)
BB 56' posted something from the athletic that verified this a month or so ago. They have improved on reattachment surgery precision and generally have immobilization last a much shorter timetable and get movement back into the area much faster.
This has allowed athletes to come back much faster across sports.
Why? How about?
“You can never have too many pass rushers”
Again who is the expensive FA situational pass rusher the Giants signed? Is $2.5 million considered expensive?