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NFT: Mets Gameday thread: deGrominator vs Snell

allstarjim : 6/11/2021 5:06 pm


LFGM! Nothing better in baseball than deGrom day!
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Did he come into the game  
jpkmets : 6/11/2021 9:45 pm : link
With tendonitis? Awfully quick diagnosis
Gotta get SRF ready as the fifth starter  
spike : 6/11/2021 9:46 pm : link
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Good job keeping your head  
jpkmets : 6/11/2021 9:48 pm : link
Loup
Thank you Loup  
spike : 6/11/2021 9:51 pm : link
another unsung contributor from the pen.
Big out!  
jpkmets : 6/11/2021 9:53 pm : link
Nice wheels, McKinney!
RE: Big out!  
spike : 6/11/2021 9:54 pm : link
In comment 15285076 jpkmets said:
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Nice wheels, McKinney!


Gotta love that speed in the outfield
We need some runs here.  
SJGiant : 6/11/2021 9:54 pm : link
Start hitting.
Overdue  
spike : 6/11/2021 9:55 pm : link
for a homer
RE: RE: Rory  
CooperDash : 6/11/2021 9:59 pm : link
In comment 15284987 Rory said:
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In comment 15284985 pjcas18 said:


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why say anything then?

Don't you realize by releasing diagnoses and time tables that are constantly wrong, and in reality the ailments are almost always worse than they initially say they look like a massive clown show.

Your opinion they actually know the actual real ailments and severity, rehab plans and duration for time missed, and are legitimately on top of these injuries, but intentionally release incorrect or misleading information on purpose because the truth serves no purpose is a really strange take.




you seem pretty agitated over this, honestly its my opinion and I don't think its strange to think the public release of information is always accurate to the media.

I work for a company that serves Twitter as a client, we always need to frame/tailor passed down information for certain reasons.

its part of damage control protocol.

You don't need to agree, just putting a different angle out there instead of the same old "Mets doctors are dysfunctional" narrative

that's just hard to fathom.


Nah, your take is a weird one. So, your opinion is that the Mets know the “real” situation and diagnosis all along, disseminate different information control the narrative, only to eventually release the accurate information that will make the look like a clown show anyway?

That’s a bit hard to imagine. The much more believable reason is that their doctors misdiagnosed the issue, forcing them to get a second opinion and finally diagnose the injury correctly. Much like we’ve seen many times with this team...hence the “Mets doctors are dysfunctional” complaint, and rightly so.

But super nice to hear about your irrelevant Twitter connection. You’ve really nailed down that “contrarian Mets fan” role. Good for you, champ.
Cmon  
jpkmets : 6/11/2021 10:02 pm : link
Diaz. Nail this one down.
Handled Tatis  
jpkmets : 6/11/2021 10:04 pm : link
Well. Nice slider.
Big win  
jpkmets : 6/11/2021 10:11 pm : link
Great work by Diaz. These teams are very evenly matched.

Gotta hope this is nothing for deGrom
deGrom coming out  
ZGiants98 : 6/11/2021 10:13 pm : link
Puts a huge damper on things..

Still a huge win though...
Sounds like its just tendinitis in deGrom's finger  
ZGiants98 : 6/11/2021 10:14 pm : link
Not his elbow. Shouldn't be too bad but we have a brutal stretch coming up. We need deGrom!
RE: Sounds like its just tendinitis in deGrom's finger  
jpkmets : 6/11/2021 10:14 pm : link
In comment 15285095 ZGiants98 said:
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Not his elbow. Shouldn't be too bad but we have a brutal stretch coming up. We need deGrom!


Ohhhhhhhh that’s a huge difference!
These Padres are top notch  
spike : 6/11/2021 10:16 pm : link
I'm glad we are doing well against them
RE: These Padres are top notch  
jpkmets : 6/11/2021 10:17 pm : link
In comment 15285097 spike said:
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I'm glad we are doing well against them


Definitely a “two heavyweights” feel. Said it before but man, I’m excited to be out there tomorrow.
Actually conflicting reports  
ZGiants98 : 6/11/2021 10:17 pm : link
Also seeing forearm... Yikes.
It’s an elbow  
jpkmets : 6/11/2021 10:25 pm : link
Not a finger
He doesn’t  
jpkmets : 6/11/2021 10:26 pm : link
sound too concerned. He sounds like it’s something he’s managed. Sounds annoyed.
Sounds like it’s nothing serious  
Everyone Relax : 6/11/2021 10:26 pm : link
Jake saying it’s something he’s felt before and doesn’t expect to miss any time p
Jake’ s a smart cat  
jpkmets : 6/11/2021 10:27 pm : link
says that Pham had only swung at the first pitch twice in his career.

Knew they’d be aggressive after that.
.  
pjcas18 : 6/11/2021 10:28 pm : link
Marly Rivera
@MarlyRiveraESPN
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Jacob deGrom: "I felt it this week, in-between. I am not too concerned about because it did not get much worse as the game went on." -- Said it tightened up a bit in the 6th. "My level of concern is not too high [said he hopes not to miss any time]"
Jake is annoyed  
jpkmets : 6/11/2021 10:28 pm : link
at all the elbow talk. Also sounded like he was gassed a bit. I could maybe see SWB up to make it a 6 man roto for a bit.
.  
pjcas18 : 6/11/2021 10:29 pm : link
Pat Ragazzo
@ragazzoreport
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"I tried pitching with a torn ligament after I got drafted, and this definitely isn't that." deGrom
ESPN saying right flexor tendinitis.  
BigBlueNH : 6/11/2021 10:31 pm : link
I agree that was an awfully fast diagnosis for a team that just fessed up to misdiagnosing Nimmo's finger issue.
RE: ESPN saying right flexor tendinitis.  
jpkmets : 6/11/2021 10:32 pm : link
In comment 15285112 BigBlueNH said:
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I agree that was an awfully fast diagnosis for a team that just fessed up to misdiagnosing Nimmo's finger issue.


More interested in what he’s saying. Seems annoyed but not concerned. Gotta be hopeful.
.  
pjcas18 : 6/11/2021 10:33 pm : link
Pat Ragazzo
@ragazzoreport
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2m
The Mets did a number of ligament tests on deGrom, moving his arm after he exited tonight and they all checked out, per the ace
Just was texting with my buddy  
bhill410 : 6/11/2021 10:33 pm : link
Who was a ortho surgeon for a team. He said if it’s actually that it’s really not a big deal but they likely are worried about ucl and they would put that out to calm people down In interim. This presser makes me feel better.
Well, maybe fool’s gold  
jpkmets : 6/11/2021 10:36 pm : link
But I feel better after that.

Braves just lost. 7 games up in the loss column on Atl and Philly right now. Hope the Yankees maul the Phils this weekend.
Megill picked a great night to dominate  
ZGiants98 : 6/11/2021 10:37 pm : link
In Syracuse.
For  
ZGiants98 : 6/11/2021 10:39 pm : link
a team with no pitching in the upper minors...

Megill
Szapucki
Reid Foley
Kilome
Tropeano
Eickhoff
Oswalt

Isnt the worst I've seen. I'd still be on the look for a SP though...
Tommy Hunter  
Vanzetti : 6/11/2021 10:51 pm : link
Originally went on the DL with back soreness. It was reported by Toscano that he was progressing faster than expected and would be ready May 29 when he was due to come off the DL

However, he has a long history of back problems so I think Mets are just being cautious by push g his return to after the Break.
RE: RE: RE: Rory  
Rory : 6/11/2021 10:57 pm : link
In comment 15285084 CooperDash said:
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In comment 15284987 Rory said:


Quote:


In comment 15284985 pjcas18 said:


Quote:


why say anything then?

Don't you realize by releasing diagnoses and time tables that are constantly wrong, and in reality the ailments are almost always worse than they initially say they look like a massive clown show.

Your opinion they actually know the actual real ailments and severity, rehab plans and duration for time missed, and are legitimately on top of these injuries, but intentionally release incorrect or misleading information on purpose because the truth serves no purpose is a really strange take.




you seem pretty agitated over this, honestly its my opinion and I don't think its strange to think the public release of information is always accurate to the media.

I work for a company that serves Twitter as a client, we always need to frame/tailor passed down information for certain reasons.

its part of damage control protocol.

You don't need to agree, just putting a different angle out there instead of the same old "Mets doctors are dysfunctional" narrative

that's just hard to fathom.



Nah, your take is a weird one. So, your opinion is that the Mets know the “real” situation and diagnosis all along, disseminate different information control the narrative, only to eventually release the accurate information that will make the look like a clown show anyway?

That’s a bit hard to imagine. The much more believable reason is that their doctors misdiagnosed the issue, forcing them to get a second opinion and finally diagnose the injury correctly. Much like we’ve seen many times with this team...hence the “Mets doctors are dysfunctional” complaint, and rightly so.

But super nice to hear about your irrelevant Twitter connection. You’ve really nailed down that “contrarian Mets fan” role. Good for you, champ.


who are you again?
RE: Tommy Hunter  
jpkmets : 6/11/2021 10:59 pm : link
In comment 15285127 Vanzetti said:
Quote:
Originally went on the DL with back soreness. It was reported by Toscano that he was progressing faster than expected and would be ready May 29 when he was due to come off the DL

However, he has a long history of back problems so I think Mets are just being cautious by push g his return to after the Break.


Makes sense.
Hunter isnt good.  
ZGiants98 : 6/11/2021 11:11 pm : link
Once the pen got healthy Hunter moved down to like 11th or 12th on the pecking order. As it is we have a 9 man pen and Reid Foley, who was lights out in the majors and in AAA, is in Syracuse. Y Diaz is also on the 40 and has pitched well. Vizcaino and Nogosef are also options in AAA.

There just is no room for Hunter. So rather than DFA him, we moved him to the 60 day IL to clear up a spot that way.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Rory  
CooperDash : 6/12/2021 7:30 am : link
In comment 15285130 Rory said:
Quote:

Nah, your take is a weird one. So, your opinion is that the Mets know the “real” situation and diagnosis all along, disseminate different information control the narrative, only to eventually release the accurate information that will make the look like a clown show anyway?

That’s a bit hard to imagine. The much more believable reason is that their doctors misdiagnosed the issue, forcing them to get a second opinion and finally diagnose the injury correctly. Much like we’ve seen many times with this team...hence the “Mets doctors are dysfunctional” complaint, and rightly so.

But super nice to hear about your irrelevant Twitter connection. You’ve really nailed down that “contrarian Mets fan” role. Good for you, champ.



who are you again?


That’s the direction you decided to go in? Lol, okay.
From Dr. Chao  
pjcas18 : 6/12/2021 8:15 am : link
re; Carasco and his PRP injection:

David J. Chao - ProFootballDoc
@ProFootballDoc
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18s
Already been a long time but this pushes back return to a best case scenario of August.
RE: From Dr. Chao  
jpkmets : 6/12/2021 8:36 am : link
In comment 15285195 pjcas18 said:
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re; Carasco and his PRP injection:

David J. Chao - ProFootballDoc
@ProFootballDoc
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18s
Already been a long time but this pushes back return to a best case scenario of August.


You know, I wonder if Cookie’s got some lingering impact from his cancer treatment that makes body repair for soft tissue move a bit slower. Hopefully the PRP helps. I would absolutely sign up for early August here.

No one in the world threw more than what, 80-90 innings last year (including playoffs, I’m sure most Mets were 60 innings or lower). Every team is going to be moving people in and out, resting, skipping starts.

Getting Carrasco and Thor back at some point in the second half would be a huge boost.
I don’t even care if Carrasco or Syndergaard  
ZGiants98 : 6/12/2021 12:27 pm : link
Help us much in the second half anymore. We can win the division without them.

My hope has been adjusted and I now only want them back in the postseason.

Even just getting them back for October could mean the difference between “contenders” and “favorites” in the postseason.
Only thing between Jake and the Cy Young is health...  
moze1021 : 6/12/2021 12:29 pm : link
I'm a bit concerned.

I think he's literally pushing the boundaries of what the human body is capable of and it's taking its toll.

With that said...if he can make 20 more starts..

For "fun" I just ran some numbers and put Jakes worst 20 starts of the last 3 years on top of his 10 starts this year... And if he was that terrible (about a 5 ERA)..he'd still finish the year at around 3.20 with a 1 WHIP...

That just puts it in some perspective how amazing he's been
RE: Only thing between Jake and the Cy Young is health...  
BobA : 6/12/2021 12:57 pm : link
In comment 15285289 moze1021 said:
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I'm a bit concerned.

I think he's literally pushing the boundaries of what the human body is capable of and it's taking its toll.

With that said...if he can make 20 more starts..

For "fun" I just ran some numbers and put Jakes worst 20 starts of the last 3 years on top of his 10 starts this year... And if he was that terrible (about a 5 ERA)..he'd still finish the year at around 3.20 with a 1 WHIP...

That just puts it in some perspective how amazing he's been


Really Health is the only thing between Jake and Cooperstown.
RE: RE: From Dr. Chao  
Vanzetti : 6/12/2021 1:11 pm : link
In comment 15285208 jpkmets said:
Quote:
In comment 15285195 pjcas18 said:


Quote:


re; Carasco and his PRP injection:

David J. Chao - ProFootballDoc
@ProFootballDoc
·
18s
Already been a long time but this pushes back return to a best case scenario of August.



You know, I wonder if Cookie’s got some lingering impact from his cancer treatment that makes body repair for soft tissue move a bit slower. Hopefully the PRP helps. I would absolutely sign up for early August here.

No one in the world threw more than what, 80-90 innings last year (including playoffs, I’m sure most Mets were 60 innings or lower). Every team is going to be moving people in and out, resting, skipping starts.

Getting Carrasco and Thor back at some point in the second half would be a huge boost.


I never expected Carrasco to make 30 or even 25 starts. No way after going through chemo. That’s why Indians were willing to include him. They wanted to dump the salary

If he comes back and makes 10-12 quality starts that will be great. At this point that’s all we really need
bullet dodged for now  
pjcas18 : 6/12/2021 1:13 pm : link


Anthony DiComo
@AnthonyDiComo
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7m
deGrom did undergo an MRI this morning, just to be cautious. "It came out clean," manager Luis Rojas said. "It was the same diagnosis [right flexor tendinitis] that we got yesterday."

All parties still expect deGrom to make his next start as scheduled.
^^  
Dr. D : 6/12/2021 1:38 pm : link
Hip hip hooray!
Conforto  
Vanzetti : 6/12/2021 1:50 pm : link
You really have to wonder about his future with the Mets. Bill M is hitting as well as MC ever did and plays better defense. Small sample obviously

But will Conforto get a multi year offer from Mets?
RE: bullet dodged for now  
spike : 6/12/2021 2:11 pm : link
In comment 15285307 pjcas18 said:
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Anthony DiComo
@AnthonyDiComo
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7m
deGrom did undergo an MRI this morning, just to be cautious. "It came out clean," manager Luis Rojas said. "It was the same diagnosis [right flexor tendinitis] that we got yesterday."

All parties still expect deGrom to make his next start as scheduled.


We need to keep him healthy and manage his innings this season
RE: Conforto  
spike : 6/12/2021 2:13 pm : link
In comment 15285329 Vanzetti said:
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You really have to wonder about his future with the Mets. Bill M is hitting as well as MC ever did and plays better defense. Small sample obviously

But will Conforto get a multi year offer from Mets?


Conforto > McKinney, but you have to wonder if McKinney might be a better player than Nimmo.
RE: Conforto  
spike : 6/12/2021 2:13 pm : link
In comment 15285329 Vanzetti said:
Quote:
You really have to wonder about his future with the Mets. Bill M is hitting as well as MC ever did and plays better defense. Small sample obviously

But will Conforto get a multi year offer from Mets?


Conforto > McKinney, but you have to wonder if McKinney might be a better player than Nimmo.
Conforto and Thor’s injuries  
Vanzetti : 6/12/2021 4:08 pm : link
Might be a blessing in disguise. If Mets win division, their missed time doesn’t hurt but could allow them to resign both on short term deals

I’m fairly certain, Sanduy was goi h to let Thor walk. Might get to
Keep him now—at least for s year
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