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D HOS : 6/12/2021 1:03 pm
Somehow I missed this earlier in the week. Obviously I am a big Joe Judge fan and Albert Breer sees it too.

According to Breer there is a big emphasis on professionalism but also camaraderie and fun.

“ Joe Judge said, over the cell on Saturday. "But when they went out there and broke the huddle, boom, it was all business. And that’s what I want it to look like. I want it to be good competition, enjoying the game, really loving football, and at the same time, when it’s time to work, time to be ready to go, they’re tuned in, they’re locked in, they’re ready to go." ”

“ "It [wasn’t] like, Let’s get this out of the way and we’re on to the weekend. They were having fun with the situation." ”

“ The energy on that fourth-down snap was just one example of the overall buy-in. Unlike the majority of the league, the Giants didn’t negotiate offseason-program conditions with their players, and they’ve still had near-perfect attendance. ”

“ He’s also made clear to the players, and his staff, that players are under no pressure to show up—he wanted it to be their call. ”

“ "Not a single player ever approached me to change anything about the spring," Judge says. "We never had any kind of meetings with players as far as what we can adjust." ”

Breer gives some info on players that missed the voluntary OTA sessions:

“...a couple players were held out of practice after getting rear-ended on the way to work, and a handful of others who stayed home with a stomach bug. ”

“ (Judge says...) "And not only do they work, they compete with each other, they have fun, they chop it up. I know they’re having fun when they start talking smack to me. That’s when I’m like, You’re fighting through all this stuff, good." ”

“ "One message I gave them the other day was, Look, we’re at a point now where rules are changing, things are opening up. The city’s opening back up. You guys have to start going and being a team outside the building too” Judge says. "Last year, we had to tell everybody in the league, 'you can’t be together'. This year, it’s the opposite—Hey guys, just go hang out. Get together as a team. Have a barbecue. Do something." ”

“ Then, there’s what Judge is hearing about how his guys work, which brings him to a story from earlier in the offseason. A couple of his defensive linemen were working with a pass-rush specialist away from Jersey, and a coaching friend of Judge’s was there, and told him, "Your guys work like high school kids—they work, they smile, they hit the next rep." ”


Maybe this is common, 'normal'. I don't know... I don't remember hearing this kind of talk about the last two coaching staff's teams. Surely not 1st gen TC. Second gen TC, yeah a bit. Fassels teams, maybe sorta, but not like what we hear about Judge's team. Reeves and before that, we didn't have the information flow we have now so who knows. But I am hearing it now, and hearing it a lot.

Again, this might be "yawn ok that's what teams are like", but to me, this aspect of Judge and our team is so important and I just can't get enough of hearing about it. I love hearing about the talent, the great practices, the skills on display... but having "fun" and building great team chemistry, that's what will really elevate this team. I can't say if that is what the team lacked in past years or not, but it sure doesn't seem to lack it now. That's why I appreciate Judge so much.


Comes after the Julio stuff... - ( New Window )
Really good stuff D HOS  
Dr. D : 6/12/2021 1:32 pm : link
Judge is a big part of why I'm so optimistic about the Giants future.

The McAdude and Shumer years could be a blessing in disguise (in the long run).

Judge wasn't ready to be our HC at the time and if we had just a decent (but not great) HC, we might be sticking with that guy in '20 (1 yr extension or whatever), instead of hiring Judge; when he was ready.

Now we have a potentially great HC, who's not even 40!

Future's bright!
I feel like we  
TommyWiseau : 6/12/2021 2:05 pm : link
Hit the Head Coaching lotto. Hope he can deliver good NY Giants Football for the next 20 years
Yes - I'm a big Joe Judge Fan myself  
gidiefor : Mod : 6/12/2021 2:49 pm : link
he and the coaches he surrounds himself and the team with give me great hope and excitement as to the future of the Giants. I think they got the most out of that team last year. I think they were focused like a laser with the areas that needed the most improvement, and I think they filled those areas in very nicely.

I haven't felt this way since Coughlin took over -- I saw a lot of the same focus, but not the same cohesiveness with the staff. That brings me back to Parcells the master motivator -- I see Judge as able to look at all the pieces, integrate, teach and motivate -- he's a little different than Parcells -- but it's the same type of blustery confidence I felt with Parcells

Me -- I think this team is going places - I really do

This resonating with anyone?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/12/2021 3:45 pm : link
“ He’s also made clear to the players, and his staff, that players are under no pressure to show up—he wanted it to be their call. ”
RE: 4th down play/energy  
mittenedman : 6/12/2021 3:58 pm : link
For the first time in a long time, the Giants have some grit and determination on both sides of the ball. I like this roster.
I love all of the Joe Judge love  
cjac : 6/12/2021 4:42 pm : link
I really do. But this had better result in some consistent winning because if it doesn’t it’s gonna turn fast.
RE: I love all of the Joe Judge love  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/12/2021 8:28 pm : link
In comment 15285400 cjac said:
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I really do. But this had better result in some consistent winning because if it doesn’t it’s gonna turn fast.


I mean that's life as an NFL head coach. 3 losing seasons in a row and you are most likely packing your bags unless you've won a SB, or you lose a starting QB early or something in that third year.
I all in with the Judge  
trueblueinpw : 6/12/2021 10:20 pm : link
I think he’s the real deal. I get it, we haven’t won shit yet with him. But I think he’s the real deal. I think this is the year where he starts to win some games. Not a Supe, obviously, he doesn’t have a lot the pieces necessary to win a championship. But I think we’ll see a well prepared team that plays smart football and doesn’t beat itself. That’s been a huge part of Patriots approach, don’t give games away. And I think that’s a part of what the Judge is building, a smart hard working team that’s always trying to get better.

He’s still got a lot to learn, but that’s to be expected and he also seems like he’s the kind of person who will never stop learn. This is the right job for him, I believe he’s gonna be our coach for a long time and I think he’s gonna be a winner here.
RE: Yes - I'm a big Joe Judge Fan myself  
SGMen : 6/12/2021 10:26 pm : link
In comment 15285349 gidiefor said:
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he and the coaches he surrounds himself and the team with give me great hope and excitement as to the future of the Giants. I think they got the most out of that team last year. I think they were focused like a laser with the areas that needed the most improvement, and I think they filled those areas in very nicely.

I haven't felt this way since Coughlin took over -- I saw a lot of the same focus, but not the same cohesiveness with the staff. That brings me back to Parcells the master motivator -- I see Judge as able to look at all the pieces, integrate, teach and motivate -- he's a little different than Parcells -- but it's the same type of blustery confidence I felt with Parcells

Me -- I think this team is going places - I really do
gidiefor, I'm in complete agreement. IMHO, Parcells was the master motivator and possibly the best HC the league has ever seen regardless of his resume.

I like the way Judge carries himself. His charisma and style show throw to me and will carry over to a better season than most expect.

This team is a bonafide pass rusher and OL away from competing for a SB run. Lets hope they stay healthy and develop together.
It sure feels like the Giants are ready for a decent run.....  
George from PA : 6/12/2021 10:26 pm : link
Keep harping on the keys

Garrett System.....the fact that he is aware, makes me feel better.....

OL.....the fact this will be the first regular off-season for all the starters at their current position. The group seems together and ready....I hope it plays out.

Daniel Jones.....it will all fall on him.....as the defense will do their part
RE: This resonating with anyone?  
DannyDimes : 6/13/2021 7:28 am : link
In comment 15285371 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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“ He’s also made clear to the players, and his staff, that players are under no pressure to show up—he wanted it to be their call. ”


Yes. This stood out to me as well.
RE: RE: This resonating with anyone?  
Bill L : 6/13/2021 9:18 am : link
In comment 15285581 DannyDimes said:
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“ He’s also made clear to the players, and his staff, that players are under no pressure to show up—he wanted it to be their call. ”



Yes. This stood out to me as well.


It could easily be a trap. In fact, that’s exactly what I would do. Make it clear that it’s purely voluntary and that there’s no pressure to show up. And then, take good notes on who does show up. It would go a long way in judging players’ personalities and commitment levels.
I like the way Judge is approaching  
Mike from Ohio : 6/13/2021 11:07 am : link
The team building aspect of the job. Don’t make players show up to voluntary workouts because the coaches expect it - make them want to be there for each other. You get a lot more out of a player at practice who is there for himself and his teammates than his coaches.

Will some guys take advantage and get lazy? Sure. And when they are let go they won’t be missed because they are not good locker room guys.

I think the strict disciplinarian way was effective in its day, but I don’t think it is as effective anymore with today’s athletes. The pressure to succeed needs to come from inside the player and the locker room, not from the staff or public.
My opinion (with some personal experience to support it)  
jamison884 : 6/13/2021 1:05 pm : link
I love the guy and think he'll be here a long time and find success. Fun + hard work + discipline are the three staples to being successful in any team competition (again, my opinion and not a unique concept).

I'm an older guy now, one of the older millennials, and during my teens and early 20's, I was co-leader of a Battlefield PC team (Battlefield 1942, Battlefield Vietnam, and our biggest impact was with Battlefield 2).

I was responsible for recruiting, scheduling, setting the roster for every scrimmage and match, who did what on that roster based on their skillset developed and observed, and came up with the ultimate strategy (gameplan). We would spend four hours, virtually five or six days a week for several years improving the team, and only a tiny bit of that overall time went into the actual matches 30 to 90 minute matches.

We finished the first "season" of leagues with a record of 51-0 (if I recall correctly) and four 1st place finishes, comprised of 8-person and 12-person teams. The game included infantry, but also tanks, APC's, attack helicopters, jets (on larger maps), and fast transports (scout buggies and humvees). So naturally, specialization was a requirement, just as football players require a specific skill set in their positions.

So, what did we have in common with Joe Judge's NYG? We were dedicated (put in the time and work), we had a lot of fun doing this (a smile on our faces during practice and scrimmages), and this resulted in discipline (we combined the first two components, so it didn't feel like a lot of effort and we went into professional mode when needed).

This resulted in two greater achievements:

1. Our 8-person BF2 team were invited to the first nationally televised gaming tournament in the US (2006), and our 8-person team of teens and young 20-year olds were flown out to San Francisco for a week and given a $500 per diem, all on them. Then we won the $40k first place prize and a pretty hilarious Mountain Dew trophy, now in a garage corner at one of the team member's childhood homes.

2. 18 years after meeting most of these guys, and nearly a decade between last talking to most of them, they remain what I regard as close friends. After ten years, we were all older and more mature, but otherwise the friendships were the same. They were also all highly successful, some with wives and children, two were nurses, many work in computer science including with major game studios, and they're spread throughout the country. We would pretty much do anything possible to support each other, and they assisted me a lot.

Back then, I thought I was being too hard on them and was prepared to be called an asshole, but they recall it differently. They knew it took those attributes and at times some heated decisions in order to be successful and 18-years later, they appreciate that and respect what I did. The way they explain it, they respected it back then too, and it was my perception that led to these negative beliefs.

I see all of these similarities from my personal experience (with much less at stake of course, by orders of magnitude), and what Joe Judge is accomplishing with this team.

Also, there were four people I simply had to cut from the team over a period of three years due to their attitude, work ethic, lack of maturity/respect, or their personality being detrimental to the rest of the team. These were all good players, and I'd equate that to a lot of the trades and healthy cuts which were made, as rumors of a bad locker room spread.

Long read and not all NYG related, but if you made it to the bottom, hopefully it gives you a tiny bit more confidence on our teams' path.
It took 30 years but I think the Giants  
arniefez : 6/13/2021 1:20 pm : link
have finally found a worthy successor to Bill Parcells. We will see how the next few years and hopefully many more after that play out.

Judge's NFL bares very little resemblance to Parcells NFL. Free agency and rule changes have changed everything about the game.

But there are a few things both coaches have in common already. Leadership that creates buy in without being an act or phony. Understanding the importance of a quality staff around them. Emphasizing playing smart.

There was a call last year - I can't remember which game - that went in the Giants favor when they were on offense and they raced to line and snapped the ball before it could be challenged. That has happened NEVER with the Giants since the replay rule was put it. Only the most well coached NFL teams mange to pull that off.

No matter how good the HC and his staff are in the NFL you need a few things to win. A good QB, health and a little luck. Hopefully Judge has all of those for the 10-15 years.
It's pretty evident sometimes  
Dave on the UWS : 6/13/2021 1:23 pm : link
when you get a HC who has a clue. Things just seem to work and a lot falls into place. IF the QB works out, they could make some major noise this fall. Most teams have weak areas, nobody is perfect. What makes NY fall under the radar in a lot of ways, is there is SO much young talent it is logical to assume they won't all pan out. But ask yourself this. What if they do? What if Judge and his staff are really good at evaluating talent AND developing it? They could make the kind of leap forward than SF made a couple of years ago.
nice read - I'm pumped -  
Del Shofner : 6/13/2021 2:53 pm : link
really looking forward to August and preseason games.
RE: It took 30 years but I think the Giants  
BillT : 6/13/2021 5:48 pm : link
In comment 15285699 arniefez said:
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have finally found a worthy successor to Bill Parcells. We will see how the next few years and hopefully many more after that play out.

So, Tom Coughlin, 2 time Super Bowl winning coach, wasn’t a “worthy successor” to Parcells? What a crock.
RE: RE: It took 30 years but I think the Giants  
cjac : 6/13/2021 6:41 pm : link
In comment 15285856 BillT said:
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have finally found a worthy successor to Bill Parcells. We will see how the next few years and hopefully many more after that play out.


So, Tom Coughlin, 2 time Super Bowl winning coach, wasn’t a “worthy successor” to Parcells? What a crock.


I’m glad someone else said it first.
RE: RE: It took 30 years but I think the Giants  
cjac : 6/13/2021 6:42 pm : link
In comment 15285856 BillT said:
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In comment 15285699 arniefez said:


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have finally found a worthy successor to Bill Parcells. We will see how the next few years and hopefully many more after that play out.


So, Tom Coughlin, 2 time Super Bowl winning coach, wasn’t a “worthy successor” to Parcells? What a crock.


AND just for clarity, Joe Judge has done and won nothing so far.
Yeah I wouldn't go there...  
D HOS : 6/13/2021 8:59 pm : link
JJ is not yet a successor to anything. And that will take some doing. So far he is what he seems like, a smart knowledgeable young coach that relates well to his players, to ownership, to the fans. Sure seems like he is very special. Sure seems like he is building a good organizational foundation and a good team on top of that.

Nothing more. Not yet. I'll be surprised and very disappointed if he isn't delivering us an organization that will have sustainable success and if we aren't about to go on a 10 year run as one of the better teams in the NFL, a constant contender. But that is yet to be seen.

He's not yet the next anything, nor the successor to anybody. He's off to a great start though and I'm really excited to see where this goes.
RE: It took 30 years but I think the Giants  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/14/2021 8:34 am : link
In comment 15285699 arniefez said:
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have finally found a worthy successor to Bill Parcells. We will see how the next few years and hopefully many more after that play out.

Judge's NFL bares very little resemblance to Parcells NFL. Free agency and rule changes have changed everything about the game.

But there are a few things both coaches have in common already. Leadership that creates buy in without being an act or phony. Understanding the importance of a quality staff around them. Emphasizing playing smart.

There was a call last year - I can't remember which game - that went in the Giants favor when they were on offense and they raced to line and snapped the ball before it could be challenged. That has happened NEVER with the Giants since the replay rule was put it. Only the most well coached NFL teams mange to pull that off.

No matter how good the HC and his staff are in the NFL you need a few things to win. A good QB, health and a little luck. Hopefully Judge has all of those for the 10-15 years.


It's like you went to sleep for the SB runs under TC. Eli, several times in his career, tried to get snaps off before plays could be challenged. Hell, you should remember one against the Cowboys where we snapped it before they could challenge. Just some made up horseshit to continue the ridiculous narrative that the Giants only won out of excellence under Parcells, but won despite incompetence the remainder of their history.

Gives a glimpse into the rest of your shitty posting history about the owners not caring about winning too. Parcells won in spite of their efforts to lose, right?
I see QB's all the time  
UConn4523 : 6/14/2021 9:00 am : link
try to snap the ball before a challenge - basically happens in every game, haha.
FMIC  
arniefez : 6/14/2021 9:19 am : link
If Eli did that I stand corrected. I remember the Giants trying to a few times. I don't remember them ever snapping the ball before a challenge. If you say they did I'll take your word for it.

It doesn't happen all the time and "most" teams don't do it and trying and actually getting it snapped is a huge difference if it's a play that would get over turned.

As far as Tom Coughlin goes I haven't forgotten the 07 or 11 playoffs and Super Bowls. I have never been and will never be a fan of Tom Coughlin's. There are plenty of people on this site that aren't fans of Bill Parcells. That's their choice and my choice. I'll just leave it at that.
I don't think..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/14/2021 9:27 am : link
there are many here at all who aren't fans of Parcells.

The guy led teams that gave some of us our first taste of success as fans.

What people probably take umbrage with is the idea some posters put forth that Parcells is the only thing good about the team since the 1960's.

Not sure why certain topics have to be an either/or debate. People can like both Parcells and Coughlin. In fact, if they are Giants fans, they should.
And Uconn..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/14/2021 9:28 am : link
is correct. Trying to get plays off before a team has a chance to challenge happens several times a week, sometimes multiple times in a game. Successfully snapping before the challenge is rarer, but trying to do so happens frequently.
I'd go so far as to say its virtually 100% on the QB  
UConn4523 : 6/14/2021 9:46 am : link
to snap it prior to a challenge. His communication with the Center (who's making sure the line is hauling ass to the LOS) is vital and there's nothing the coach can do at this point. You are either aware of it or you're not. Coaching might play a part in the prep work but I don't think it signifies a coach being great or poor.
Why TF would any Giants fan  
Dr. D : 6/14/2021 10:08 am : link
NOT be a fan of Bill Parcells AND Tom Coughlin?

The latter led the Giants to 2 out their 4 SB victories, and he did it twice against the GOAT!

Would any 'ol Joe Schmoe have done that?

And oh yeah, he was an assistant coach on 1 of the other SB winners!

I just don't understand some people.
As I've gotten older I find blind loyalty boring, ignorant and lacking  
arniefez : 6/14/2021 10:24 am : link
in intelligence.

Feel free to consume your entertainment the way you want to. It's none of my business.

There are people in the sports world I like and people in the sports world I dislike. It doesn't matter to me if they own, manage, coach or play for a uniform that I have an emotional connection with because of the family members, now all gone, who introduced me to that uniform.



RE: As I've gotten older I find blind loyalty boring, ignorant and lacking  
UConn4523 : 6/14/2021 10:29 am : link
In comment 15286097 arniefez said:
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in intelligence.

Feel free to consume your entertainment the way you want to. It's none of my business.

There are people in the sports world I like and people in the sports world I dislike. It doesn't matter to me if they own, manage, coach or play for a uniform that I have an emotional connection with because of the family members, now all gone, who introduced me to that uniform.




As i've gotten older I've taken sports more for what they are, entertainment, and nothing more. But your comments on Parcells and everything since is just not factual and that has nothing to do with "blind loyalty". Coughlin was a great coach, for 2 teams no less, and a sure fire HoFer. He had a rough end to his tenure but that doesn't take away what he achieved.

You can critique the Giants however you like but you should expect to be called out on stuff that doesn't add up - you'd certainly do it if the tables were turned.
But you..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/14/2021 10:32 am : link
find it insightful to complain about ownership for all the teams you follow?

You think it's insightful to call the Mara's cheap and incompetent or to rant about Cashman every possible chance?

I'd rather be boring on things out of my control then "insightfully" complain about things I can't control but act like I can.
I understand some Giants fans  
Dr. D : 6/14/2021 10:34 am : link
losing some respect for Parcells bc of the way he left and how he eventually ended up with the rival cowpies, etc. But you still have to appreciate and give him credit for what he did while he was here.

The dislike/disrespect of Coughlin makes absolutely no sense. Seems to me, if Reese and staff did a better job drafting, TC would've retired as a hero (and Eli would have a lot more wins and be a shoo-in for the HOF, instead of being on the fence).
RE: I understand some Giants fans  
Angel Eyes : 6/14/2021 10:39 am : link
In comment 15286102 Dr. D said:
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losing some respect for Parcells bc of the way he left and how he eventually ended up with the rival cowpies, etc. But you still have to appreciate and give him credit for what he did while he was here.

The dislike/disrespect of Coughlin makes absolutely no sense. Seems to me, if Reese and staff did a better job drafting, TC would've retired as a hero (and Eli would have a lot more wins and be a shoo-in for the HOF, instead of being on the fence).


Which year ('08 to '10, plus '12 to '15) would have been the most likely year the Giants could have won the Super Bowl?
I see a lot of similarity...  
BamaBlue : 6/14/2021 12:06 pm : link
between the coaching styles of Joe Judge and the early years of Jon Gruden's tenure with the Oakland Raiders. They're not the same person, but early in Judge's tenure, there is similarity.
RE: RE: I understand some Giants fans  
Dr. D : 6/14/2021 12:20 pm : link
In comment 15286105 Angel Eyes said:
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losing some respect for Parcells bc of the way he left and how he eventually ended up with the rival cowpies, etc. But you still have to appreciate and give him credit for what he did while he was here.

The dislike/disrespect of Coughlin makes absolutely no sense. Seems to me, if Reese and staff did a better job drafting, TC would've retired as a hero (and Eli would have a lot more wins and be a shoo-in for the HOF, instead of being on the fence).



Which year ('08 to '10, plus '12 to '15) would have been the most likely year the Giants could have won the Super Bowl?

I'm not even saying the Giants would've won another SB, just that with better drafting, TC (and Eli) wouldn't have had 3 straight losing seasons to end his tenure here.
Out of respect for Tom Coughlin who won 2 Super Bowls  
arniefez : 6/14/2021 12:41 pm : link
with the Giants I really don't want to revisit this. I understand your position. I don't agree with it. If he is chosen to the HOF I'll be happy for him and the Giants and the Giant fans hoping for that.
BamaBlue  
arniefez : 6/14/2021 12:47 pm : link
I'm curious what those are.
RE: Out of respect for Tom Coughlin who won 2 Super Bowls  
Dr. D : 6/14/2021 1:26 pm : link
In comment 15286181 arniefez said:
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I understand your position. I don't agree with it.

You don't agree with the position of recognizing, respecting and appreciating a HC who led the Giants to TWO very memorable Super Bowl victories (and was an assistant coach for a THIRD)?

Alllrightythen.

You know there are several (12) franchises that still haven't won ONE SB and others (6) that are stuck on ONE. Coach Coughlin won TWO. That's half of our total and the same number as Parcells.

Something tells me that Coaches Belichick and Parcells don't share your feelings towards Coach Coughlin.

Did TC yell at you and hurt your feelings at training camp or something?
Why is it so important that another poster like Tom Coughlin  
Jimmy Googs : 6/14/2021 2:01 pm : link
the same as you do? Or Parcells for that matter?

Or both?

RE: Why is it so important that another poster like Tom Coughlin  
Dr. D : 6/14/2021 2:16 pm : link
In comment 15286217 Jimmy Googs said:
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the same as you do? Or Parcells for that matter?

Or both?

Googs, it's not "important"; I just don't understand it. It's perplexing and I'm curious of why a Giants fan would have such a negative attitude about a coach that led our team to TWO SB victories (as if they grow on trees and everyone gets one).

I personally don't give a rats ass. If others want to hate or dislike someone for whatever reasons, that's their thing.
Well, which are you...perplexed and curious  
Jimmy Googs : 6/14/2021 2:21 pm : link
or not giving a rat's ass?
RE: Well, which are you...perplexed and curious  
Dr. D : 6/14/2021 2:56 pm : link
In comment 15286230 Jimmy Googs said:
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or not giving a rat's ass?

All of above. It's yours and arniefez's right to not like or appreciate Coach Coughlin (that's the not giving a rat's ass part; it's your thing, not mine). I just don't understand why (that's the perplexed and curious part).
I never said I didn't like or appreciate Coughlin. He brought  
Jimmy Googs : 6/14/2021 3:04 pm : link
a lot of what the NY Giants needed at the time and we were all rewarded with some "super" playoff runs under his watch.

Never thought he was as good as many think or really as bad either so varied opinions are no surprise to me...but he and Eli sure got the job done, not once but twice.

RE: Why is it so important that another poster like Tom Coughlin  
BigBlueShock : 6/14/2021 3:07 pm : link
In comment 15286217 Jimmy Googs said:
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the same as you do? Or Parcells for that matter?

Or both?

I don’t think anyone gives a shit who arniefez likes and doesn’t like. He certainly DOESNT like many, many, many more people around his supposed favorite sports teams than he likes, so it’s to be expected this time as well.

The issue is this absolutely a sine comment:

It took 30 years but I think the Giants
arniefez : 6/13/2021 1:20 pm : link : reply
have finally found a worthy successor to Bill Parcells.

I mean, that’s going too far no matter how you personally feel about TC. It’s absolutely ludicrous and has nothing to do with “liking” Coughlin.
BigBlueShock  
arniefez : 6/14/2021 8:49 pm : link
You have no idea who I like or don't like and who gives a shit what you think about what I think.

I think I didn't go far enough with my comments today. I think the Tom Coughlin Giants despite their 2 Super Bowls wins under achieved. I think Tom Coughlin surrounded himself with crappy coaches and that was a big part of the reason. Tom Coughlin spent 20 years in the NFL as a HC and doesn't even have a coaching shrub let alone tree. I think the Giants and Tom Coughlin wasted Eli's prime. I think Jerry Reese gets way too much heat for the horrible drafting when Tom Coughlin had according to John Mara the most draft input of any coach "we've had around here". I think what Tom Coughlin did in Jacksonville after he left the Giants shows that the game had long passed him by.

In my opinion it took 30 years for the Giants to find a worthy successor to Bill Parcells.

You do your entertainment and I'll do mine.
FMIC  
arniefez : 6/14/2021 9:15 pm : link
Wellington Mara was called cheap by some of the Giants players and most of the fans in 60's and 70's. Reflecting back on it all these years later it is possible it was more incompetence, stubbornness and clinging to "old ways" than not wanting to spend money. But he let Matt Snell and Namath go to the Jets rather than pay AFL prices and that didn't go unnoticed.

Wellington's GMing was the precursor to George Young not adjusting to free agency in the 90's. When Wellington did spend some money pre-merger it was on a kicker and kicked up the NFL shit storm of the century.

But he was also the guy who agreed to split the TV money evenly among each franchise. That's why he's in the HOF. At the time it was really his brothers call but Wellington was "face" of the Giants and I'm sure without him it would not have happened.

The cheap thing has stuck though. John Mara mentioned it just a few months ago when Golladay was signed. I don't think in 2021 the Giants or any NFL team is "cheap" anymore. I do think some of the old school owners including the Mara's are underfunded compared to the new wave of owners. I think without the Tisch money the Giants situation might be different. But that's just uninformed speculation. I think if the Giants had Rams money they would have told the Jets goodbye and good luck and built their own stadium.

As far as Brian Cashman goes let me know what owner would give his GM pretty much total control over every aspect of his on field product at every level and almost 3 billion dollars to spend on salaries for a decade and not get to even one world series. I think Cashman deserves way more heat than he gets.

I listened to some of the Michael Kay show today and the call in consensus was Boone needs to be fired and Kay said it's not Boone's fault the team has such a low baseball IQ. He didn't pick the players. He's working with what he's been given.

Another person called up and suggested Cashman be replaced and Kay made it sound that it would be easier for Hal to remove a supreme court judge. GM of the Yankees is good work if you can get it.
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gidiefor : Mod : 6/18/2021 8:58 am : link
I love both Parcells and Coughlin. They both brought us fans to the promised land twice. Four runs I will never forget or under appreciate. Both of them did some great things, and they both deserve credit for it. I, for one, would never put Coughlin down. The guy produced.

In my mind Judge is closer to Parcells than Coughlin in demeanor, and I have a very strong belief that this guy is putting the Giants back together in a very convincing and well thought out fashion.

You know what, I'm betting on him too. I'm lovin what I'm seeing. We just reinvested in directv, dealing with AT&T, a company i detest; and we a added a new oled TV stadium in the living room at gidiefor manor to boot, because, frankly, I ain't missing a minute of this regime. No sir. Not one minute, and I am eager for the games to begin.

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