Observation from Mini-Camp: Xavier McKinney

Big Blue Defense baby.

The defense will be a force

word out of camp was he looks really good.

after missing all that time early last year due to injury. He’s a player I have high hopes for this year. That safety trio could end up being something special.

His true value is in his leadership and to be a player like RW McQuarters or Sam Madison were for the 2007 unit. I like that we have Peppers, McKinney, and Love there along with him.

In comment 15285374 robbieballs2003 said:

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His true value is in his leadership and to be a player like RW McQuarters or Sam Madison were for the 2007 unit. I like that we have Peppers, McKinney, and Love there along with him.

Robbie: Limited! That’s kind of cryptic. What do you mean?

If they get it together, they could be an extremely good secondary, capable of shutting passing games down. I have high hopes.

In comment 15285410 Simms11 said:

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If they get it together, they could be an extremely good secondary, capable of shutting passing games down. I have high hopes.

Certainly. A lot of fans are hoping this expensive AJax deal pays dividends and that Logan Ryan can keep it together as well.

How nice would it be if this Secondary can rise up to the expectations...

In comment 15285409 Ivan15 said:

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In comment 15285374 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: His true value is in his leadership and to be a player like RW McQuarters or Sam Madison were for the 2007 unit. I like that we have Peppers, McKinney, and Love there along with him. Robbie: Limited! That’s kind of cryptic. What do you mean?

He's physically not the same player he was. It's natural. He's a very heady player but his physical skills are diminishing. I'm not saying he's not productive. Madison and McQuarters were still productive but he isn't a long term answer. I'm saying while his physical attributes are getting worse he is still in the NFL for his brain and leadership and I'm glad he's around to help out the young secondary.

In comment 15285425 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 15285409 Ivan15 said: Quote: In comment 15285374 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: His true value is in his leadership and to be a player like RW McQuarters or Sam Madison were for the 2007 unit. I like that we have Peppers, McKinney, and Love there along with him. Robbie: Limited! That’s kind of cryptic. What do you mean? He's physically not the same player he was. It's natural. He's a very heady player but his physical skills are diminishing. I'm not saying he's not productive. Madison and McQuarters were still productive but he isn't a long term answer. I'm saying while his physical attributes are getting worse he is still in the NFL for his brain and leadership and I'm glad he's around to help out the young secondary.

Physically limited? Based on what?

Not sure why people are getting all bent out of shape over a simple comment.

In comment 15285438 robbieballs2003 said:

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Not sure why people are getting all bent out of shape over a simple comment.

Nobody is bent out of shape. Just amazed that from your recliner you can declare a player finished. So he isn't a CB, neither was Antrelle Rolle.

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In comment 15285438 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: Not sure why people are getting all bent out of shape over a simple comment. Nobody is bent out of shape. Just amazed that from your recliner you can declare a player finished. So he isn't a CB, neither was Antrelle Rolle.

Way to be a douche. Did I say finished? Try reading it again and stop being an asshole.

In comment 15285363 Eric from BBI said:

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word out of camp was he looks really good.

Cousin who writes for Athlon Sports for SEC...he thought Xavier was going to be a stud in the pros.

In comment 15285442 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 15285440 section125 said: Quote: In comment 15285438 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: Not sure why people are getting all bent out of shape over a simple comment. Nobody is bent out of shape. Just amazed that from your recliner you can declare a player finished. So he isn't a CB, neither was Antrelle Rolle. Way to be a douche. Did I say finished? Try reading it again and stop being an asshole.

Lol, we need the season to start soon. People are getting restless around here.

I can't say it enough that he is still productive. Not sure why people are insulted when it is said a player is smart and using his knowledge to still be productive. I also never said he was finished. I said as he becomes more and more limited. He's entering his 9th season in the NFL. Players slow down. That isn't some crazy stretch. He was a corner and played almost his whole career at CB. Tennessee had him play the nickel and he's a safety with us. It is a compliment to him that he is able to extend his career playing another position at a high level.

But, enough of that. The whole point was that we have a great blend of vets and young players in the secondary and at safety. I'm glad guys like McKinney can feed off of Ryan's knowledge of the game. That was the point of the post. Having a guy who has had success at outside corner, inside corner, and safety and having all that experience is invaluable. Not sure why we couldn't focus on that.

In comment 15285442 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 15285440 section125 said: Quote: In comment 15285438 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: Not sure why people are getting all bent out of shape over a simple comment. Nobody is bent out of shape. Just amazed that from your recliner you can declare a player finished. So he isn't a CB, neither was Antrelle Rolle. Way to be a douche. Did I say finished? Try reading it again and stop being an asshole.

I'm being the asshole and a douche? Maybe you should try reading your own posts.

My comprehension is just fine.

He was a difference maker in the secondary and he stood out several times. With a year of experienceI expect McKinney to develop into a pro bowl caliber safety this season.

from Carl Banks.
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he will take snaps at slot corner

This secondary can be special if the young guys develop and they stay healthy. We have a nice blend of veteran talent and youth.

Doesn’t look like X is eating a lot donuts. Bring the pain X! I’m really excited for the defense and especially for the secondary.

McKinney was my favorite player in the whole draft last year — I wanted the Giants to trade back in the first and pick him. I smiled ear-to-ear when they picked him in the 2nd.

Ryan is following in the steps of some damn good corners in this league who transitioned to free safety and extended their career. I absolutely love the Giants safety group.

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In comment 15285438 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: Not sure why people are getting all bent out of shape over a simple comment. Nobody is bent out of shape. Just amazed that from your recliner you can declare a player finished. So he isn't a CB, neither was Antrelle Rolle.

When did he declare him finished? lol Always love checking in on BBI in the offseason.

In comment 15285442 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 15285440 section125 said: Quote: In comment 15285438 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: Not sure why people are getting all bent out of shape over a simple comment. Nobody is bent out of shape. Just amazed that from your recliner you can declare a player finished. So he isn't a CB, neither was Antrelle Rolle. Way to be a douche. Did I say finished? Try reading it again and stop being an asshole.

It's not that he is being a douche. It's just that he doesn't want you saying anything bad about his team.

In comment 15285536 christian said:

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McKinney was my favorite player in the whole draft last year — I wanted the Giants to trade back in the first and pick him. I smiled ear-to-ear when they picked him in the 2nd. Ryan is following in the steps of some damn good corners in this league who transitioned to free safety and extended their career. I absolutely love the Giants safety group.

I think of one of the all-time greats, Ronnie Lott, who was a rookie probowl corner and transitioned to his natural safety spot and is a HOF player (same year as Lawrence Taylor). Now Ryan is no LOTT talent wise, of course, but he is heady and he knows this defensive scheme.

In all honesty, this secondary has a shot at being Top 3 in the league if it stays healthy and plays up to speed. I firmly believe that especially if Bradberry and Jackson have shutdown years and Peppers is the player he was for the last 2/3 of last year for 16 games. Ryan will be solid, above average, and a guy like McKinney can make us shutdown good as a 3rd safety/slot corner type who also attacks the LOS.

If we get average pass rush production along with an above average secondary and superb run stuffing, this defense has a shot at Top 8 in the league which is top quarter.

The kid is a football player and he's going to be heard from....a cornucopia of riches.

In comment 15285478 robbieballs2003 said:

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I can't say it enough that he is still productive. Not sure why people are insulted when it is said a player is smart and using his knowledge to still be productive. I also never said he was finished. I said as he becomes more and more limited. He's entering his 9th season in the NFL. Players slow down. That isn't some crazy stretch. He was a corner and played almost his whole career at CB. Tennessee had him play the nickel and he's a safety with us. It is a compliment to him that he is able to extend his career playing another position at a high level. But, enough of that. The whole point was that we have a great blend of vets and young players in the secondary and at safety. I'm glad guys like McKinney can feed off of Ryan's knowledge of the game. That was the point of the post. Having a guy who has had success at outside corner, inside corner, and safety and having all that experience is invaluable. Not sure why we couldn't focus on that.

Logan Ryan was a borderline Pro Bowler last year. Any commentary about him being limited based on 3 OTAs is silly

Logan was a solid safety last year not a borderline pro bowler. He's a valuable piece of our team because of his smarts and his commitment to winning, not because his althletic talents aren't in decline.

In comment 15285478 robbieballs2003 said:

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I can't say it enough that he is still productive. Not sure why people are insulted when it is said a player is smart and using his knowledge to still be productive. I also never said he was finished. I said as he becomes more and more limited. He's entering his 9th season in the NFL. Players slow down. That isn't some crazy stretch. He was a corner and played almost his whole career at CB. Tennessee had him play the nickel and he's a safety with us. It is a compliment to him that he is able to extend his career playing another position at a high level. But, enough of that. The whole point was that we have a great blend of vets and young players in the secondary and at safety. I'm glad guys like McKinney can feed off of Ryan's knowledge of the game. That was the point of the post. Having a guy who has had success at outside corner, inside corner, and safety and having all that experience is invaluable. Not sure why we couldn't focus on that.

Nice recovery.

In comment 15285567 giantstock said:

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In comment 15285442 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: In comment 15285440 section125 said: Quote: In comment 15285438 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: Not sure why people are getting all bent out of shape over a simple comment. Nobody is bent out of shape. Just amazed that from your recliner you can declare a player finished. So he isn't a CB, neither was Antrelle Rolle. Way to be a douche. Did I say finished? Try reading it again and stop being an asshole. It's not that he is being a douche. It's just that he doesn't want you saying anything bad about his team.

Yup, and maybe he should just say that and quit dicking around.

strong in this one. It's Sunday morning so lets find a little religion and go with...

"Thou shalt not be even somewhat critical of anything NY Giants"

In comment 15285524 SGMen said:

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This secondary can be special if the young guys develop and they stay healthy. We have a nice blend of veteran talent and youth.

We really do. You keep 10 guys in the secondary and 9&10 are Love and Yiadom? That's the absolute bottom of the Barrel, Love and Yiadom? 2 young fit healthy guys with experience. Find me someone who thinks either has peaked. This is your worst 2 players in the secondary, who had 76 tackles between them last year.

Anyone who wants to ask why 9&10? Because the Giants aren't cutting any of Bradberry, Jackson, Holmes,Robinson, Williams, Peppers, McKinney or Ryan.

With Martinez in the middle and a competent D line, I'm not sure what opposing offense are supposed to do.

In comment 15285602 Jimmy Googs said:

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strong in this one. It's Sunday morning so lets find a little religion and go with... "Thou shalt not be even somewhat critical of anything NY Giants"

And the resident Miserabe shows up right on schedule as well...

Another 5 pounds wouldn't hurt. A lot of players tend to lose weight during the course of the season.

In comment 15285609 Red Right Hand said:

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In comment 15285602 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: strong in this one. It's Sunday morning so lets find a little religion and go with... "Thou shalt not be even somewhat critical of anything NY Giants" And the resident Miserabe shows up right on schedule as well...

Yes, by all means. Round up everybody that doesn't fall in line...

In comment 15285607 Red Right Hand said:

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In comment 15285524 SGMen said: Quote: This secondary can be special if the young guys develop and they stay healthy. We have a nice blend of veteran talent and youth. We really do. You keep 10 guys in the secondary and 9&10 are Love and Yiadom? That's the absolute bottom of the Barrel, Love and Yiadom? 2 young fit healthy guys with experience. Find me someone who thinks either has peaked. This is your worst 2 players in the secondary, who had 76 tackles between them last year. Anyone who wants to ask why 9&10? Because the Giants aren't cutting any of Bradberry, Jackson, Holmes,Robinson, Williams, Peppers, McKinney or Ryan. With Martinez in the middle and a competent D line, I'm not sure what opposing offense are supposed to do.

I wouldn’t say that Holmes is a sure thing, but a healthy McKinney along with our additions this offseason make for a strong secondary on paper. It remains to be seen if that translates to wins because of the NFL’s anti-defense stance.

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In comment 15285602 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: strong in this one. It's Sunday morning so lets find a little religion and go with... "Thou shalt not be even somewhat critical of anything NY Giants" And the resident Miserabe shows up right on schedule as well...

Just to let you know the team has been "Miserabe" for a long time. Have you missed that? When are they going to stop telling us they are good and instead show us?

"The money" is on a 7-10 record.

in the season finale against Dallas, and without him playing much at all and not getting a ton of practice time, he still looked really good out there. That told me we might have a legit player with him

In comment 15285602 Jimmy Googs said:

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strong in this one. It's Sunday morning so lets find a little religion and go with... "Thou shalt not be even somewhat critical of anything NY Giants"

While I think you're being a numbskull here, I do enjoy your style Googs

In comment 15285644 giantstock said:

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In comment 15285609 Red Right Hand said: Quote: In comment 15285602 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: strong in this one. It's Sunday morning so lets find a little religion and go with... "Thou shalt not be even somewhat critical of anything NY Giants" And the resident Miserabe shows up right on schedule as well... Just to let you know the team has been "Miserabe" for a long time. Have you missed that? When are they going to stop telling us they are good and instead show us? "The money" is on a 7-10 record.

Please link the quote where they said they were good?

In comment 15285615 Jimmy Googs said:

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In comment 15285609 Red Right Hand said: Quote: In comment 15285602 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: strong in this one. It's Sunday morning so lets find a little religion and go with... "Thou shalt not be even somewhat critical of anything NY Giants" And the resident Miserabe shows up right on schedule as well... Yes, by all means. Round up everybody that doesn't fall in line...

You being the residentMiserabe and the Brigadas de Pollyannadoing themselves are 2 different things. Maybe go back and read the thread and you'll note was me that made mock of the guy for torturing the rest of us about McKinney and the percieved perceived slight against him. Hell, I even said Robbie made a nice comeback, handling a clearly oversensitive fellow.

But you’re doing a super job of telling us about yourself while you continue to comment on everybody in this thread...

…miserable human beings. I’m glad my activity with them is limited to a Giants forum.