Duggan: Post minicamp roster projection

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to the practice squad, which I thinking he will.

LOL!

This roster is so much better

that might be debatable:

* Keeping only 5 WRs. Might need to go one more here and one less with RBs. Toney getting some carries could help.

* Some here like Kyle Murphy but not sure that is just wishful thinking.

* Defensive spots look good. The end of Sam Beal drama?

a pretty fair projection. I'm not sure about that many running backs. I think penny could be out and they will use a tight end in an h-back type of role or just bring in an extra offensive lineman.

we could carry 6 wide receivers with special teams being an emphasis.

According to his list there isn't any real surprise cuts and I believe there will be at least 1 or 2 that no one is expecting

only 10 defensive backs?

I don't think so.

This is a passing league

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concerns of several WR's, I really can't see them keeping only 5. I could even see 7 make it, with dual use on ST's for the bottom guys

I disagree here, one of these positions groups needs to have 6. Gotta have speed.
But excellent write up, I appreciate the effort put into it.

In comment 15286045 GiantNatty said:

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In comment 15286050 ATL_Giants said:

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I disagree here, one of these positions groups needs to have 6. Gotta have speed. But excellent write up, I appreciate the effort put into it.

In this case, I'd drop one of the RBs

In comment 15286038 chick310 said:

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that might be debatable: * Keeping only 5 WRs. Might need to go one more here and one less with RBs. Toney getting some carries could help. * Some here like Kyle Murphy but not sure that is just wishful thinking. * Defensive spots look good. The end of Sam Beal drama?

Similar thought, but I'd get rid of a TE first. Don't need 4, especially when 2 of them (Smith/Toilolo) are replacement level. The other thing that stands out is the WR group has very little ST experience. Virtually none if you take out the PR/KR roles. I think the 6th WR will be a gunner-first type that ends up getting the 5th, and last, active WR spot on Sundays.

Penny doesn't factor into the offense much (5-6 plays/game), but he's a special teams cog (60% of ST snaps last year). Toilolo (38%) and Smith (31%) just don't have the same impact there.

Defensively, I'm hoping one of the CBs can show enough on the coverage units to surpass Ebner, who's useless outside of STs.

You keep your 53 best.

In comment 15286044 ChicagoMarty said:

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only 10 defensive backs? I don't think so. This is a passing league

We carried a ton of LBs last year.

...but otherwise seems reasonable, give or take a few.

For example, I think this staff likes Niko Lalos. Going into camp I see him having the edge over Ximenes.

Some things I think are more likely:

4 RB: Barkley, Booker, Armstead, Penny (Clement maybe if they don’t carry as many LBers and Barkley needs more time)
PS: Brightwell (unless he really shines in pre season)

6 WR: Golladay, Slayton, Shepard, Toney, Ross, and either Pettis/Sills
(Think with the injury history of just about everyone of these guys it’s safer to carry a 6th than rely on the health of them all)

LB: 11 total just seems like a lot. I don’t see us carrying that many.

Safety: cut Ebner, we will carry 4 (McKinney, Peppers, Love, and Ryan)

6 CB: Bradbury, Jackson, Robinson, Holmes, Yiadom, Williams

Over Elijah Penny... could save us a roster spot to use elsewhere basically.

Some tough cuts coming up.

so Ebner might indeed be expendable.

Agree more guys need to step up on a ST unit that struggled in second half of last year, surprisingly.

In comment 15286060 sb from NYT Forum said:

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...but otherwise seems reasonable, give or take a few. For example, I think this staff likes Niko Lalos. Going into camp I see him having the edge over Ximenes.

He has 5 safeties, unless you're not counting Ebner...

In comment 15286062 90.Cal said:

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Over Elijah Penny... could save us a roster spot to use elsewhere basically. Some tough cuts coming up.

Penny is a better ST player than either of them, so I'd give him the early edge if the last offensive spot is between 5th RB and 4th TE.

In comment 15286062 90.Cal said:

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Over Elijah Penny... could save us a roster spot to use elsewhere basically. Some tough cuts coming up.

Roster getting better, but not certain it has reached level to suggest there are really tough cuts yet.

Such as where?

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In comment 15286044 ChicagoMarty said: Quote: only 10 defensive backs? I don't think so. This is a passing league We carried a ton of LBs last year.

We carried ten, plus Carter and Ximines on IR. I doubt we carry eleven this year, considering how often we'll probably play five DB's (three S, two CB). Plus you've got a guy like Coughlin who can play ILB and OLB.

Note: 24 on offense 26 on defense. I'd ask for an extra WR if I'm the offensive coordinator.

In comment 15286070 giants#1 said:

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In comment 15286062 90.Cal said: Quote: Over Elijah Penny... could save us a roster spot to use elsewhere basically. Some tough cuts coming up. Penny is a better ST player than either of them, so I'd give him the early edge if the last offensive spot is between 5th RB and 4th TE.

I didn't think about that. But Penny doesn't play gunner I think he is the punt protector but still...

I thought the idea was to give Jones more weapons, not less.

One question: 8 Offensive Lineman?

Seems short, unless we have zero quality depth worth keeping on roster.

O-line will be 2022 off-season #1 priority.

Fun discussion -

Always seems to be a lot of smoke around Kyle Murphy - hoping they have something there.

I think Clement is a long shot to make the roster - as RB #3 he'd be expected to contribute to specials (and he'd probably be available in a pinch via FA if they needed him back)

What a difference at linebacker - they really churned the mid depth chart

In comment 15286074 Marty in Albany said:

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Note: 24 on offense 26 on defense. I'd ask for an extra WR if I'm the offensive coordinator.

I don't think it's warranted, even with the uncertainty surrounding Barkley. If you want to keep a FB, fine, but do you really need three backup HB's? Seems like one too many to me, even when you factor in ST's.

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In comment 15286062 90.Cal said: Quote: Over Elijah Penny... could save us a roster spot to use elsewhere basically. Some tough cuts coming up. Roster getting better, but not certain it has reached level to suggest there are really tough cuts yet. Such as where?

Your probably right curious to see the decisions they make for those final 5 or so spots, interesting more so than "tough"

Im interested to see what happens with Pettis, TJ Brunson, RJ McIntosh, Brightwell, Williams, Ebner, the Fullback position and the overall numbers they roll with for each position group.

cut him, add a 6th WR who brings the most on specials

I know Judge values specials and likes having a vet special teams captain to rely on, but it's time for one of the younger vets to take on that role

I think we add one more WR and subtract one LB.

And none play specials besides returning. Yeah I don’t see that happening.

In comment 15286075 90.Cal said:

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In comment 15286070 giants#1 said: Quote: In comment 15286062 90.Cal said: Quote: Over Elijah Penny... could save us a roster spot to use elsewhere basically. Some tough cuts coming up. Penny is a better ST player than either of them, so I'd give him the early edge if the last offensive spot is between 5th RB and 4th TE. I didn't think about that. But Penny doesn't play gunner I think he is the punt protector but still...

Doesn't matter if he's a gunner. He's still more valuable to the ST units than either Smith or Toilolo (neither of them were gunners) and was more than just the PP. If anything, I'd guess Penny's role is harder to upgrade than Smith/Toilolo's roles who I believe were mainly blockers on the FG unit (maybe also inline blockers on punts).

And 4 TE’s with them cutting Pettis doesn’t make any sense to me.

I think they keep 9 OL with Murphy earning the final spot.

Add a WR and CB.

In comment 15286077 M.S. said:

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One question: 8 Offensive Lineman? Seems short, unless we have zero quality depth worth keeping on roster. O-line will be 2022 off-season #1 priority.

If Jones turns out to be a good (or even great) quarterback, I see off-season priorities as edge rushers (since we have three whose contracts expire after 2021 unless any are re-signed), offensive linemen (particularly guard), and tight ends since Engram's contract is up after his fifth-year option.

Last season Golladay played 5 games, Ross 3. And Shep's concussion history is scary.

be surprised if we cut R. Williams. Most prognosticators considered him somewhat of a "steal," and he has excellent length for the position. I'd also be surprised if both Carter and Ximines are on the final 53.

In comment 15286069 giants#1 said:

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In comment 15286060 sb from NYT Forum said: Quote: ...but otherwise seems reasonable, give or take a few. For example, I think this staff likes Niko Lalos. Going into camp I see him having the edge over Ximenes. He has 5 safeties, unless you're not counting Ebner...

Sorry, I was unclear, I meant I thought the Giants will go with only 4 safeties.

Ebner, Yiadom, Toilolo and Anderson.

unlikely to keep five RB, but perhaps Ryan is the sixth "CB".

any longer. He is clearly at risk if some of the new guys step up at Specials.

Would think Love is serviceable enough to get into games at CB if really needed.

and add another WR. Also I think Ross is going to have to prove himself and I think Pettis might be competition there. Additionally, I think Mack might make it as he’s on STs and he’s a good blocker with ok hands.

Could be Ximines or Carter. Anderson, Brown, I think one of those cats is not on the final 53.

Why only 5 DLs? 6 seems more reasonable. So definitely reduce the # of OLBs.

And I would definitely cut a safety and keep an extra corner. As many have mentioned, you have to design a defense to deal with the passing game first.

Keeping 5 RBs and 4 TEs is not efficient. I would aim to keep more OLs. Who the hell knows how that unit is going to shape up...

Only room for some minor meaningless tweaks, in the context of game day and practice squad.

I'd swap Clement for Pettis or possibly Sills based on who has a better camp.

Swap Cam Brown for Rodarius Williams (though I like Cam).

I expect they will swap the final depth guys on and off the PS here and there (LB for CB, WR for RB) given the gameplan.

I sure wish the roster would go to 55 permanently.

Probably doesn't matter but on my roster I have Odenigbo as a DE

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any longer. He is clearly at risk if some of the new guys step up at Specials. Would think Love is serviceable enough to get into games at CB if really needed.

Judge all but guaranteed Ebner a roster spot. I agree with you but we have no idea if he may be "really good in the safety room".

and add a WR Sills or Pettis. Unfortunetly there will be injuries preseason/camp so they'll be a few that will make it that weren't projected to,

Pettis makes the squad