And yet that terrible Shurmur offense was demonstrably better than the Giants last year.
To get back to that level, the Giants need a number of things to improve.
15 offenses scored 400+ points last year, the Giants scored 280.
The difference between the Giants and the 16th ranked offense was more than 7 points a game.
I think Garrett held this offense back last year a bit - I also think Garrett is good enough he will adjust with a full off-season.
I can't tell if I'm just talking myself into this to be optimistic, though.
Garrett held it back because he had no choice. With his only big time weapon out for the season he chose clock control and mitigating risk to keep us in games.
Shurmur had a better offense because he had a monster year of Barkley to work with. I think the rest of our personnel and coaching is better now so we should be able to be a better offense even without Barkley, but I doubt we can truly excel without him in 2021.
you are going to take a hit, unless you have a backup of equal quality.
Most of the time, this notion is a no brainer.
Giants have set themselves up, hopefully, to be able to survive if he goes down. Of course, best laid plans can go astray. They didn't do so well adapting to a life without OBJ. If they had succeeded at putting together a WR corp in the last couple of years, losing SB wouldn't have been such a blow.
So, along with Jones, eyes will also be on the WR corp (and on the OL). IF the plan comes together here, loss of SB, or if he doesn't return as anything more than average, should still allow for a decent O.
The 2019 Giants were also markedly better on offense than 2020, and had a less than monster year from Barkley. And surprisingly looked OK without Beckham.
Shurmur did pretty well with what he had. He's a good offensive coordinator and a really good quarterback coach.
He was a lousy head coach, but I give him credit for cobbling together an average offense, given the QB and o-line situations.
And yet that terrible Shurmur offense was demonstrably better than the Giants last year.
To get back to that level, the Giants need a number of things to improve.
15 offenses scored 400+ points last year, the Giants scored 280.
The difference between the Giants and the 16th ranked offense was more than 7 points a game.
I think Garrett held this offense back last year a bit - I also think Garrett is good enough he will adjust with a full off-season.
I can't tell if I'm just talking myself into this to be optimistic, though.
Garrett held it back because he had no choice. With his only big time weapon out for the season he chose clock control and mitigating risk to keep us in games.
Shurmur had a better offense because he had a monster year of Barkley to work with. I think the rest of our personnel and coaching is better now so we should be able to be a better offense even without Barkley, but I doubt we can truly excel without him in 2021.
That plan failed miserably because we were tied for 11th for most turnovers and had the 7th least TOP. I think Shurmur deserves more credit than he's given for the offense - he used what Jones is good at much more often than Garrett does.
The games Jones and the offense had in 2019 that were noteworthy were against all terrible teams, teams who picked ahead or near the Giants the following draft. Once they started meeting with better teams on the schedule, the offense would score a lone touchdown and that was it. Arizona, Minnesota, New England, Green Bay. All the offense could chalk up in those games were one touchdown for the day/night.
Again, still, anyone could be better than the Giants offense in 2020. Well, except the 2020 Jets.
They were piss poor as well. Only reason why the Giants could collect six wins last season is because the defense was that good. If not... Maybe 1-15?
2019 Giants with all their starters couldn't even beat the Eagles 5th string McDonald's squad in week 17 of that year. So fucking pathetic lol quit trying to pretend that any of the players/coaches we we have over the years are any good. That's why we see literally win four or five games in a season.
Even peak Saquon won't transform us if the line isn't good enough and the passing game (throwing OR receiving) doesn't move the football.
But if we have an improved line, improved passing game, and a healthy Saquon by November 1, we will be fun to watch.
I can’t wait for people to start pressing the panic button two weeks into the season. I think the rational position is that we have a bunch of new faces starting/getting significant reps with our best player coming off a major injury where the mental hurdle is the biggest one to overcome. The difference between last year and this year is they are good enough to actually win some game while the offense comes together.
If the Giants are averaging less than 200 YPG in the air (like last year), and Barkley (reasonably) starts off slow or misses time -- I can see the Giants getting in a big hole like last year.
If the Giants can't move the ball and score more points in the passing game, it'll be a hell of a disappointment.
the Giants can stay .500 or better while letting Saquon take his time and do it right, then slowly begin to work him in after the 1st quarter of the season, and the Giants make a playoff push with a then healthy and battle tested Saquon just hitting his stride. That would be an ideal scenario and an added dimension that could propel them in the playoffs should they get there.
I think this scenario would be a fan's dream. It is now my dream. Momentum going into the playoffs is one thing the NYG have done a good job of over the years.
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And yet that terrible Shurmur offense was demonstrably better than the Giants last year.
To get back to that level, the Giants need a number of things to improve.
15 offenses scored 400+ points last year, the Giants scored 280.
The difference between the Giants and the 16th ranked offense was more than 7 points a game.
I think Garrett held this offense back last year a bit - I also think Garrett is good enough he will adjust with a full off-season.
I can't tell if I'm just talking myself into this to be optimistic, though.
Garrett held it back because he had no choice. With his only big time weapon out for the season he chose clock control and mitigating risk to keep us in games.
Shurmur had a better offense because he had a monster year of Barkley to work with. I think the rest of our personnel and coaching is better now so we should be able to be a better offense even without Barkley, but I doubt we can truly excel without him in 2021.
Most of the time, this notion is a no brainer.
Giants have set themselves up, hopefully, to be able to survive if he goes down. Of course, best laid plans can go astray. They didn't do so well adapting to a life without OBJ. If they had succeeded at putting together a WR corp in the last couple of years, losing SB wouldn't have been such a blow.
So, along with Jones, eyes will also be on the WR corp (and on the OL). IF the plan comes together here, loss of SB, or if he doesn't return as anything more than average, should still allow for a decent O.
Shurmur did pretty well with what he had. He's a good offensive coordinator and a really good quarterback coach.
He was a lousy head coach, but I give him credit for cobbling together an average offense, given the QB and o-line situations.
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And yet that terrible Shurmur offense was demonstrably better than the Giants last year.
To get back to that level, the Giants need a number of things to improve.
15 offenses scored 400+ points last year, the Giants scored 280.
The difference between the Giants and the 16th ranked offense was more than 7 points a game.
I think Garrett held this offense back last year a bit - I also think Garrett is good enough he will adjust with a full off-season.
I can't tell if I'm just talking myself into this to be optimistic, though.
Garrett held it back because he had no choice. With his only big time weapon out for the season he chose clock control and mitigating risk to keep us in games.
Shurmur had a better offense because he had a monster year of Barkley to work with. I think the rest of our personnel and coaching is better now so we should be able to be a better offense even without Barkley, but I doubt we can truly excel without him in 2021.
That plan failed miserably because we were tied for 11th for most turnovers and had the 7th least TOP. I think Shurmur deserves more credit than he's given for the offense - he used what Jones is good at much more often than Garrett does.
But if we have an improved line, improved passing game, and a healthy Saquon by November 1, we will be fun to watch.
Again, still, anyone could be better than the Giants offense in 2020. Well, except the 2020 Jets.
They were piss poor as well. Only reason why the Giants could collect six wins last season is because the defense was that good. If not... Maybe 1-15?
2019 Giants with all their starters couldn't even beat the Eagles 5th string McDonald's squad in week 17 of that year. So fucking pathetic lol quit trying to pretend that any of the players/coaches we we have over the years are any good. That's why we see literally win four or five games in a season.
This post wad the correct one.
Just fewer words.
But if we have an improved line, improved passing game, and a healthy Saquon by November 1, we will be fun to watch.
I can’t wait for people to start pressing the panic button two weeks into the season. I think the rational position is that we have a bunch of new faces starting/getting significant reps with our best player coming off a major injury where the mental hurdle is the biggest one to overcome. The difference between last year and this year is they are good enough to actually win some game while the offense comes together.
If the Giants can't move the ball and score more points in the passing game, it'll be a hell of a disappointment.
I think this scenario would be a fan's dream. It is now my dream. Momentum going into the playoffs is one thing the NYG have done a good job of over the years.