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Bricktop : 6/14/2021 5:08 pm
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Gallant did a terrific job in Vegas, coach of the year,  
gtt350 : 6/14/2021 5:40 pm : link
He's a player's coach and they will love and play for him.
We were shocked to see him go.
I will certainly be following the Rangers
RE: Clown move  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/14/2021 5:54 pm : link
In comment 15286329 Diversify yo bonds said:
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Capuano just led team USA to a medal. What a miscalculation.


I really feel like this is sarcasm, but I'm afraid it is just a completely, imbecilic comment instead.
RE: RE: Clown move  
Diversify yo bonds : 6/14/2021 6:11 pm : link
In comment 15286349 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Capuano just led team USA to a medal. What a miscalculation.



I really feel like this is sarcasm, but I'm afraid it is just a completely, imbecilic comment instead.


Purely out of empathy. To have to endure the darkness of that long rebuild. Winning the lottery twice, having a Norris candidate and a Hart candidate only want to play for your team, then compound it by hiring Gallant. Just brutal for the fanbase. Capuano could've turned the culture around.
Proof is in the pudding  
five5 : 6/14/2021 6:13 pm : link
let the guy coach and we will see...however, it is a biot concerning IF they only interviewed 2 people
I don’t know much about him, but I’m fairly  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/14/2021 6:24 pm : link
certain that he has to be better than Quinn.
I like it...  
BC Eagles94 : 6/14/2021 6:31 pm : link
there isn't an available coach I'd rather have. The only odd part is Rangers initially interviewed him about a month ago. Thought the hold up was seeing what playoff coaches would shake loose, and I'd have to think that is still ongoing? Or does NHL typically move quickly with that stuff as soon as teams are eliminated in playoffs? So I am assuming Carolina, Boston, Winnipeg, Pitt coaches are all returning?
RE: Proof is in the pudding  
BrettNYG10 : 6/14/2021 6:33 pm : link
In comment 15286358 five5 said:
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let the guy coach and we will see...however, it is a biot concerning IF they only interviewed 2 people


I think the Rangers interviewed others but didn't let it leak.
RE: Clown move  
Gman11 : 6/14/2021 6:57 pm : link
In comment 15286329 Diversify yo bonds said:
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Capuano just led team USA to a medal. What a miscalculation.


While Gallant coached his team to the gold medal in the same tournament.
An absolute no-brainer  
Anakim : 6/14/2021 6:58 pm : link
Far and away the best coach available. He has a proven track record, he helps develop young players and his teams were gritty and hard to play against. Gallant himself was a pain in the fucking ass when he was on the Red Wings.
He led the Vegas Golden Knights to the Stanley Cup in their inaugural season with a crappy roster and led a somewhat pedestrian Panthers team to the best record in their division in 2015. That team had a nice blend of veterans (they had Jagr and Jussi Jokinen) and youngsters (like Barkov, Ekblad, Trochek and Huberdeau) much like what the Rangers have now.

The only con is that he's been fired unceremoniously by two different teams despite his successes. The Panthers literally fired him, kicked him off the bus and made him call his own taxi. There's something there (perhaps an attitude issue?), but I don't think it's ever been concluded what.
RE: RE: Clown move  
Anakim : 6/14/2021 6:59 pm : link
In comment 15286349 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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In comment 15286329 Diversify yo bonds said:


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Capuano just led team USA to a medal. What a miscalculation.



I really feel like this is sarcasm, but I'm afraid it is just a completely, imbecilic comment instead.


He was being sarcastic. He's an Islanders fan
I thought they were going to wait and see If Brind'Amor shook free  
theold5j : 6/14/2021 7:04 pm : link
...guess not
no brainer  
Saquon'sQuadz : 6/14/2021 7:07 pm : link
turned Florida around, went to the SCF with the Vegas expansion team and won gold with a medicore Canada squad this year. He seems to get the best out of his players.


I am curious why he has a 3 year shelf life in places tho, its odd with the success he has.
RE: I thought they were going to wait and see If Brind'Amor shook free  
Anakim : 6/14/2021 7:07 pm : link
In comment 15286378 theold5j said:
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...guess not


Even if he did, IDK if Rod would come to NYC and frankly, I don't even know if Rod would be an upgrade over Gallant. If he does shake loose, I'd imagine he would join his former teammate Ron Francis in Seattle.
Until checking just now, hadn't realized that gtt350  
ColHowPepper : 6/14/2021 7:09 pm : link
lives in Vegas, so his input has to be factored. The ostensible concerns surrounding Gallant are that he wore out his welcomes with franchises quickly despite some success on the ice. In the various hockey threads that have addressed this, NYR and SCPlayoffs, I don't think there's been any insight shed on why this occurred. Salary demands, control demands, behind the scenes discontent by key players???

Based on not much at all, my worry is that here's a veteran coach, doing things his proven way, and maybe it comes across as a rude dunk in a pool of ice cold water. Is that what this young team--youngest in the NHL--needs? Perhaps.

I was...was struck by this line in NYT story this AM: NYT Sports has shrunk like crazy but still carries the torch for the NBA (good writers, Mark Stein, Scott Cacciola) but virtually ignores the NHL. But finally some coverage on the SCP: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/13/sports/hockey/nhl-new-york-islanders.html and this quote that I found insightful and relevant to the Rangers even as the article is all about the Islanders:
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In the summer of 2018, the Maple Leafs pushed aside their general manager, Lou Lamoriello, to make room for Kyle Dubas, a wunderkind who has assembled a startling level of individual talent that has yet to lead the team to a playoff-round victory. Lamoriello was approaching his 76th birthday at the time, and though he had been free to stay with the Leafs — “at my leisure,” as he put it — the Islanders co-owner Scott Malkin pushed hard to bring him on board.

“Out of respect, I talked to Scott,” Lamoriello said. “I was impressed with his vision and his commitment.”
I think the text that I bolded is highly relevant to NYR--and God, forbid, maybe Dolan has it right?--there is a world of talent on and yet to be unveiled on NYR, but they show as much capability against Playoff tested teams as the Leafs have. So pj's response above is relevant, and for months I've been pushing notion of re-casting the roster to broaden its strengths even if it means capping a bit of its upside. No, Brett, it doesn't mean Eichel. (: So, maybe Gallant, who seems a no nonsense coach is the guy if Drury can swing a couple of deals to lend some ballast to the roster.

No matter what, this off-season and 2021-2022 regular season are pivotal for this franchise.
RE: Why don't you want older players  
SJGiant : 6/14/2021 7:10 pm : link
In comment 15286330 pjcas18 said:
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to satisfy those roles?

That's exactly what the Rangers need - add a couple Corey Perry, Eric Staal (again), Wayne Simmonds, Nate Thompson, Connor Sheary, etc. and the kids don't have to play with their head on a swivel, you get some leadership, experience, and grit. And they're cheap.

That usually comes with older players a lot easier than younger players unless you're trading 1st round picks and prospects for Matthew or Brady Tkachuk.

Did you have some player in mind?


The players I had in mind are Chara and Ovechkin. I do not want players who I perceive have one or two more years of playing time.
This is the roster he took Vegas to a cup final with.  
Saquon'sQuadz : 6/14/2021 7:12 pm : link
Saquon's  
ColHowPepper : 6/14/2021 7:15 pm : link
a bit what I mean: veteran, expansion exposed vet team: is he a fit for youngest team in the league?
RE: RE: Why don't you want older players  
pjcas18 : 6/14/2021 7:18 pm : link
In comment 15286382 SJGiant said:
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to satisfy those roles?

That's exactly what the Rangers need - add a couple Corey Perry, Eric Staal (again), Wayne Simmonds, Nate Thompson, Connor Sheary, etc. and the kids don't have to play with their head on a swivel, you get some leadership, experience, and grit. And they're cheap.

That usually comes with older players a lot easier than younger players unless you're trading 1st round picks and prospects for Matthew or Brady Tkachuk.

Did you have some player in mind?



The players I had in mind are Chara and Ovechkin. I do not want players who I perceive have one or two more years of playing time.


those two you wouldn't sign?

I'd sign Chara, his contract with the Caps was 800k. He is probably going to retire, but if not, he's the exact type of player you want to sign. Instead of filling the bottom of the roster with Di Guisseppe and Rooney or overpaying Lemieux - get guys who add a dimension you don't have - experience, grit, leadership.

Ovi will get a lot of cash, even at his age - he is not someone I'd sign either - for the Rangers.
RE: This is the roster he took Vegas to a cup final with.  
pjcas18 : 6/14/2021 7:21 pm : link
In comment 15286383 Saquon'sQuadz said:
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I remember post draft thinking that might be the worst team in NHL history (in fact I think I posted that on here).

They have 2 3rd lines and 2 4th lines. I liked their D, but not that much and a goalie who had been at best inconsistent in recent years.

Gallant deserves a ton of credit for getting that team to play so well and achieve so much.

Like others, it's a mystery to me too how he wears out his welcome so quickly but who cares? You're not marrying the guy if he duplicates his success for 2 - 3 years and then wears out his welcome you replace him and at that time the Rangers youth will be entering the early stage of their primes.

And that's not actually the team he took to the cup finals  
pjcas18 : 6/14/2021 7:27 pm : link
they had Shea Theodore (draft day trade), Alex Tuch (draft day trade), Ryan Reaves, Tomas Tatar who they acquired at the trade deadline from DET

but same point - no one looks at that roster as thinks playoff team, let alone cup finalist.

After reading this thread,  
rnargi : 6/14/2021 7:39 pm : link
If Anak and others are happy, then I'm happy
RE: no brainer  
rnargi : 6/14/2021 7:40 pm : link
In comment 15286379 Saquon'sQuadz said:
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turned Florida around, went to the SCF with the Vegas expansion team and won gold with a medicore Canada squad this year. He seems to get the best out of his players.


I am curious why he has a 3 year shelf life in places tho, its odd with the success he has.


The Billy Martin effect...maybe he wears out his welcome?
Great hire - Gallant did a great job in LV and got screwed w/ politics  
Eric on Li : 6/14/2021 7:45 pm : link
after the McPhee/McCrimmon transition (which from what I'd heard was messy). There's no way to minimize Gallant's accomplishments establishing that team's culture and identity to this day.

How anyone ever fits with Dolan is always an unknown but as a NYI fan I was hoping they'd hire someone other than Gallant.
From what I've read and heard about Gallant's two exits,  
Anakim : 6/14/2021 7:50 pm : link
Apparently with Florida, the issue was that the minority owner put a heavy emphasis on analytics and he and the analytics department would text Gallant during periods to try to get him to play certain players and not others. Gallant was obviously resistant of the micromanaging and the communication in-between periods and that was all she wrote.

With Vegas, apparently the owner had a hard-on for Pete Deboer so when he shook loose, Vegas had to have him.
RE: RE: RE: Why don't you want older players  
SJGiant : 6/14/2021 8:17 pm : link
In comment 15286388 pjcas18 said:
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to satisfy those roles?

That's exactly what the Rangers need - add a couple Corey Perry, Eric Staal (again), Wayne Simmonds, Nate Thompson, Connor Sheary, etc. and the kids don't have to play with their head on a swivel, you get some leadership, experience, and grit. And they're cheap.

That usually comes with older players a lot easier than younger players unless you're trading 1st round picks and prospects for Matthew or Brady Tkachuk.

Did you have some player in mind?



The players I had in mind are Chara and Ovechkin. I do not want players who I perceive have one or two more years of playing time.



those two you wouldn't sign?

I'd sign Chara, his contract with the Caps was 800k. He is probably going to retire, but if not, he's the exact type of player you want to sign. Instead of filling the bottom of the roster with Di Guisseppe and Rooney or overpaying Lemieux - get guys who add a dimension you don't have - experience, grit, leadership.

Ovi will get a lot of cash, even at his age - he is not someone I'd sign either - for the Rangers.


I will admit that you know a lot more about hockey players than I do. I looked up these players and here are their ages

Corey Perry. 36
Wayne Simmons - 32
Eric Staal - 36
Nate Thompson -36
Connor Sheary - 29

Normally, I would add Simmons and Sheary because of their younger ages. I want no part of Staal, although I admit I haven’t seen him play the last two years. Thompson and Perry are desirable. . Chara is 44 years old. No way. I was surprised that Ovechkin is only 35 years old.

I am confident Drury and his staff know about the type of hockey players they need. This should be a good off season for the Rangers.

I've always wanted Simmonds  
Bricktop : 6/14/2021 8:24 pm : link
on the Rangers. Tough, mean, some skill and has always had his teammates backs. We need a couple guys with some mean streaks. Tough to find that skill set with some actual hockey talent, but it's not impossible.
RE: I've always wanted Simmonds  
Anakim : 6/14/2021 8:24 pm : link
In comment 15286409 Bricktop said:
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on the Rangers. Tough, mean, some skill and has always had his teammates backs. We need a couple guys with some mean streaks. Tough to find that skill set with some actual hockey talent, but it's not impossible.


Gallant was a big proponent of Ryan Reaves when he was with Vegas. Wouldn't surprise me if he was on Drury's radar.
RE: no brainer  
Anakim : 6/14/2021 8:32 pm : link
In comment 15286379 Saquon'sQuadz said:
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turned Florida around, went to the SCF with the Vegas expansion team and won gold with a medicore Canada squad this year. He seems to get the best out of his players.


I am curious why he has a 3 year shelf life in places tho, its odd with the success he has.


Gerard Gallant has not had a sub .500 record in any season as a head coach since his time with Columbus (2003-04 to 2006-07).
Don’t know if Rangers had any interest in Capuano but…  
Mike in St. Louis : 6/14/2021 8:42 pm : link
the Caps supposedly refused to let Buffalo interview him…
Rumor is that Dan Girardi may be coming back  
Anakim : 6/14/2021 8:53 pm : link
"We’ve also heard from sources that Buffalo assistant Dan Girardi, a former Rangers teammate of Drury, could be added as an assistant."

-- Rick Carpiniello



Mike Kelly has been with Gallant almost everywhere, so I bet he'll join the Rangers as well
RE: I've always wanted Simmonds  
pjcas18 : 6/14/2021 9:02 pm : link
In comment 15286409 Bricktop said:
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on the Rangers. Tough, mean, some skill and has always had his teammates backs. We need a couple guys with some mean streaks. Tough to find that skill set with some actual hockey talent, but it's not impossible.


I've always wanted him on my team too - and he picked TOR over MTL. Probably thought he was picking the team with a better chance to win. Like Joe Thornton did (though MTL wasn't interested in Jumbo Joe).

At the age a lot of the free agent veterans are at - that's their thought process - if they have options - can they win.

I think the Rangers have a lot to offer for these cheap veterans.

I'd redo the bottom of the roster (outside of any other changes they make) with players like that.
RE: RE: RE: Clown move  
bigbluehoya : 6/14/2021 9:15 pm : link
In comment 15286356 Diversify yo bonds said:
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Capuano just led team USA to a medal. What a miscalculation.



I really feel like this is sarcasm, but I'm afraid it is just a completely, imbecilic comment instead.



Purely out of empathy. To have to endure the darkness of that long rebuild. Winning the lottery twice, having a Norris candidate and a Hart candidate only want to play for your team, then compound it by hiring Gallant. Just brutal for the fanbase. Capuano could've turned the culture around.


Is he still living in Garth's basement?
RE: RE: I've always wanted Simmonds  
Bricktop : 6/14/2021 9:52 pm : link
In comment 15286442 pjcas18 said:
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on the Rangers. Tough, mean, some skill and has always had his teammates backs. We need a couple guys with some mean streaks. Tough to find that skill set with some actual hockey talent, but it's not impossible.



I've always wanted him on my team too - and he picked TOR over MTL. Probably thought he was picking the team with a better chance to win. Like Joe Thornton did (though MTL wasn't interested in Jumbo Joe).

At the age a lot of the free agent veterans are at - that's their thought process - if they have options - can they win.

I think the Rangers have a lot to offer for these cheap veterans.

I'd redo the bottom of the roster (outside of any other changes they make) with players like that.


And he can talk shit with the best of them. So entertaining. (I used to talk all kinds of yang back in my college days, especially when I was playing well - of course). My son is a college HWT wrestler and doesn't say a word no matter how much he's working someone. 6'2" 250 pounds and he never shows any emotion.

I'm 45 now and I can't even really live vicariously bc of his temperment. But I love to see it on the ice.
Gallant looks a little  
Del Shofner : 6/14/2021 11:49 pm : link
like Don Rickles.
I was hoping the Rangers would interview Lane Lambert  
Rick in Dallas : 6/15/2021 6:14 am : link
who has been with Barry Trotz as an assistant coach for many years. I really like Trotz coached teams.
Having said that Gallant is a good hire.
RE: Gallant looks a little  
TheMick7 : 6/15/2021 7:03 am : link
In comment 15286524 Del Shofner said:
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like Don Rickles.


Guess that's good,since Rickles used to call people "hockey pucks!"
my only concern is that he seems to wear out his welcome quickly  
Victor in CT : 6/15/2021 7:26 am : link
if that's the case, who will be Vigneault to his Tortorella?

I hope it's not true and that he turns out to be a long term solution.
Well, from what I've read....  
Greg from LI : 6/15/2021 11:27 am : link
Vegas' owner has a strange affection for Pete DeBoer and was determined to hire him when he became available. Florida was about a clash between him and their new GM, who wasn't the guy who hired him.
...  
BrettNYG10 : 6/15/2021 11:34 am : link
There are only 11 coaches who have been with their teams for more than two years. NHL coaches don't last long and I think Gallant's dismissals were a bit idiosyncratic.
...  
BrettNYG10 : 6/15/2021 11:38 am : link
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Sources have told The Post that Gallant — who had also been interviewed for the post in Columbus — was offered and accepted the job without meeting Garden chairman Jim Dolan.



NY Post - ( New Window )
RE: Well, from what I've read....  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2021 11:51 am : link
In comment 15286672 Greg from LI said:
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Vegas' owner has a strange affection for Pete DeBoer and was determined to hire him when he became available. Florida was about a clash between him and their new GM, who wasn't the guy who hired him.


Gallant and DeBoer hate each other too - so that had to hurt.

3.5M per for Gallant  
Anakim : 6/15/2021 11:53 am : link
Less than what Uncle Larry predicted
RE: 3.5M per for Gallant  
BrettNYG10 : 6/15/2021 12:00 pm : link
In comment 15286696 Anakim said:
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Less than what Uncle Larry predicted


A little less than what I make, not bad.
Rangers will contend next year  
Vanzetti : 6/15/2021 2:16 pm : link
Not saying they will win
The cup but will be a dangerous team.

Quinn was not an NHL coach

JD and Gorton signed Tony D and then banned him. That got the team off to a rocky start. U either sign or let hm walk. Signing him and then dismissing him was the ultimate sign of poor management,

Then getting rid of guys like Lemieux who added toughness

Dolan did the right thing in cleaning out the stables. Rangers young talent will thrive under Gallant
RE: RE: 3.5M per for Gallant  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2021 2:18 pm : link
In comment 15286700 BrettNYG10 said:
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Less than what Uncle Larry predicted



A little less than what I make, not bad.


So greedy, you wouldn't even take a pay cut to coach the Rangers. selfish bastard.
They didn't want to guarantee five Cups.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/15/2021 5:03 pm : link
They preferred a challenge.
Yes.  
PwndPapi : 6/15/2021 5:23 pm : link
How will Drury and Gallant ever overcome losing a talent like Brendan Lemieux - who's got 7 times as many career penalty minutes as points. And during his best season in the NHL, still had nearly 10 times as many PIM as points.

Legend.
PwndPapi  
ColHowPepper : 6/15/2021 6:45 pm : link
Yes, Lemieux was not a difference maker on the score sheet except for PIM, but I think what Vanzetti is saying is that trading Lemieux was symptomatic of a Gorton/JD mindset that toughness on the ice doesn't count for much.

Further to the bold face text on Lamoriello's hiring by NYI (and what TOR has not achieved with all its talent) is this from The Athletic on the Gallant hiring. As much as we are tempted to be intoxicated by all the talent and skill on or to be on the roster, at this time it's not balanced to compete and win when it counts, even if one must account for maturation and greater savvy:
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Yes, everybody — Davidson, Gorton and Quinn included — knew the Rangers need to add hardness to their makeup. And yes, as we see now, teams much more complete, much beefier and more experienced and legitimate than the Rangers are having all sorts of fits handling the way the Islanders play. But I digress.

Gallant’s charge will be to change some of that makeup, as he did with a heavier expansion team in Vegas in ’18. He will need Drury’s help in finding players with different skillsets (you could say, in some cases, less skill) in order to transform the roster. And Gallant (and Drury) will have to do it in a timely fashion now that the owner has made known his dissatisfaction with the process and the culture under the previous regime.

The problem with that expectation is that this Rangers roster — the youngest in the NHL for most of last season — is not the Golden Knights roster in any way, shape or form. This Rangers roster was not nearly difficult enough for opponents. It was soft, and that’s not a knock directly at the players but rather a byproduct of the since-fired front-office team building from the talent pool that drafts and trades provided.
RE: PwndPapi  
PwndPapi : 6/15/2021 7:08 pm : link
In comment 15286982 ColHowPepper said:
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Yes, Lemieux was not a difference maker on the score sheet except for PIM, but I think what Vanzetti is saying is that trading Lemieux was symptomatic of a Gorton/JD mindset that toughness on the ice doesn't count for much.


I never said this team doesn't need to become more balanced and grittier. Of course there are holes in the roster. This team was a work in progress and anyone who believed they were ready to contend for the cup this season was fooling themselves. But some folks equate goonery-types with grit and toughness.

Dealing Lemieux is somehow emblematic of failed roster building? Come on. Lemieux's a net negative in all phases of the game. Claiming the DeAngelo situation is a failure ignores the fact that DeAngelo put up 50+ pts as a defenseman last season on a team that didn't have much maturity on the BL. No one knew knew he was that big of an asshole. No one envisioned Fox to be a Norris finalist in just his second season. His and Miller's emergence made DeAngelo's antics less palatable and expendable. His deal isn't ideal, but it isn't a back-breaker.

The point is to get better in all phases of the game. Cup contending teams are deep, disciplined and cohesive. If we plan on contending, we can't afford to give minus players 10+ minutes of burn a night for the sake of toughness. Every player on this roster needs to get tougher. It's a mentality as much as anything else.
Must-listen if you want to get excited about Gallant  
Anakim : 6/17/2021 12:19 am : link
And find out about the kind of coach he is. Nick Kypreos and Doug MacLean do an excellent job discussing the hire.
An hour long - ( New Window )
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