The new group of Rangers. Hopefully, Drury will get a center iceman who can win more than a majority of the face offs and some toughness and grit. I do not want older players to satisfy those rules.
That's exactly what the Rangers need - add a couple Corey Perry, Eric Staal (again), Wayne Simmonds, Nate Thompson, Connor Sheary, etc. and the kids don't have to play with their head on a swivel, you get some leadership, experience, and grit. And they're cheap.
That usually comes with older players a lot easier than younger players unless you're trading 1st round picks and prospects for Matthew or Brady Tkachuk.
Gallant's had success in his past two stints as head coach, helping develop young players like Barkov and Huberdeau in Florida. I think he helped develop some of those Vegas players into stars and maximized that team.
I think he was the best option out there. I don't think he's Quenneville or Trotz, but he's good. I wasn't a Quinn hater at all but Gallant is an upgrade.
Capuano just led team USA to a medal. What a miscalculation.
I really feel like this is sarcasm, but I'm afraid it is just a completely, imbecilic comment instead.
Purely out of empathy. To have to endure the darkness of that long rebuild. Winning the lottery twice, having a Norris candidate and a Hart candidate only want to play for your team, then compound it by hiring Gallant. Just brutal for the fanbase. Capuano could've turned the culture around.
there isn't an available coach I'd rather have. The only odd part is Rangers initially interviewed him about a month ago. Thought the hold up was seeing what playoff coaches would shake loose, and I'd have to think that is still ongoing? Or does NHL typically move quickly with that stuff as soon as teams are eliminated in playoffs? So I am assuming Carolina, Boston, Winnipeg, Pitt coaches are all returning?
Far and away the best coach available. He has a proven track record, he helps develop young players and his teams were gritty and hard to play against. Gallant himself was a pain in the fucking ass when he was on the Red Wings.
He led the Vegas Golden Knights to the Stanley Cup in their inaugural season with a crappy roster and led a somewhat pedestrian Panthers team to the best record in their division in 2015. That team had a nice blend of veterans (they had Jagr and Jussi Jokinen) and youngsters (like Barkov, Ekblad, Trochek and Huberdeau) much like what the Rangers have now.
The only con is that he's been fired unceremoniously by two different teams despite his successes. The Panthers literally fired him, kicked him off the bus and made him call his own taxi. There's something there (perhaps an attitude issue?), but I don't think it's ever been concluded what.
turned Florida around, went to the SCF with the Vegas expansion team and won gold with a medicore Canada squad this year. He seems to get the best out of his players.
I am curious why he has a 3 year shelf life in places tho, its odd with the success he has.
RE: I thought they were going to wait and see If Brind'Amor shook free
Even if he did, IDK if Rod would come to NYC and frankly, I don't even know if Rod would be an upgrade over Gallant. If he does shake loose, I'd imagine he would join his former teammate Ron Francis in Seattle.
Until checking just now, hadn't realized that gtt350
lives in Vegas, so his input has to be factored. The ostensible concerns surrounding Gallant are that he wore out his welcomes with franchises quickly despite some success on the ice. In the various hockey threads that have addressed this, NYR and SCPlayoffs, I don't think there's been any insight shed on why this occurred. Salary demands, control demands, behind the scenes discontent by key players???
Based on not much at all, my worry is that here's a veteran coach, doing things his proven way, and maybe it comes across as a rude dunk in a pool of ice cold water. Is that what this young team--youngest in the NHL--needs? Perhaps.
I was...was struck by this line in NYT story this AM: NYT Sports has shrunk like crazy but still carries the torch for the NBA (good writers, Mark Stein, Scott Cacciola) but virtually ignores the NHL. But finally some coverage on the SCP: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/13/sports/hockey/nhl-new-york-islanders.html and this quote that I found insightful and relevant to the Rangers even as the article is all about the Islanders:
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In the summer of 2018, the Maple Leafs pushed aside their general manager, Lou Lamoriello, to make room for Kyle Dubas, a wunderkind who has assembled a startling level of individual talent that has yet to lead the team to a playoff-round victory. Lamoriello was approaching his 76th birthday at the time, and though he had been free to stay with the Leafs — “at my leisure,” as he put it — the Islanders co-owner Scott Malkin pushed hard to bring him on board.
“Out of respect, I talked to Scott,” Lamoriello said. “I was impressed with his vision and his commitment.”
I think the text that I bolded is highly relevant to NYR--and God, forbid, maybe Dolan has it right?--there is a world of talent on and yet to be unveiled on NYR, but they show as much capability against Playoff tested teams as the Leafs have. So pj's response above is relevant, and for months I've been pushing notion of re-casting the roster to broaden its strengths even if it means capping a bit of its upside. No, Brett, it doesn't mean Eichel. (: So, maybe Gallant, who seems a no nonsense coach is the guy if Drury can swing a couple of deals to lend some ballast to the roster.
No matter what, this off-season and 2021-2022 regular season are pivotal for this franchise.
That's exactly what the Rangers need - add a couple Corey Perry, Eric Staal (again), Wayne Simmonds, Nate Thompson, Connor Sheary, etc. and the kids don't have to play with their head on a swivel, you get some leadership, experience, and grit. And they're cheap.
That usually comes with older players a lot easier than younger players unless you're trading 1st round picks and prospects for Matthew or Brady Tkachuk.
Did you have some player in mind?
The players I had in mind are Chara and Ovechkin. I do not want players who I perceive have one or two more years of playing time.
This is the roster he took Vegas to a cup final with.
That's exactly what the Rangers need - add a couple Corey Perry, Eric Staal (again), Wayne Simmonds, Nate Thompson, Connor Sheary, etc. and the kids don't have to play with their head on a swivel, you get some leadership, experience, and grit. And they're cheap.
That usually comes with older players a lot easier than younger players unless you're trading 1st round picks and prospects for Matthew or Brady Tkachuk.
Did you have some player in mind?
The players I had in mind are Chara and Ovechkin. I do not want players who I perceive have one or two more years of playing time.
those two you wouldn't sign?
I'd sign Chara, his contract with the Caps was 800k. He is probably going to retire, but if not, he's the exact type of player you want to sign. Instead of filling the bottom of the roster with Di Guisseppe and Rooney or overpaying Lemieux - get guys who add a dimension you don't have - experience, grit, leadership.
Ovi will get a lot of cash, even at his age - he is not someone I'd sign either - for the Rangers.
RE: This is the roster he took Vegas to a cup final with.
I remember post draft thinking that might be the worst team in NHL history (in fact I think I posted that on here).
They have 2 3rd lines and 2 4th lines. I liked their D, but not that much and a goalie who had been at best inconsistent in recent years.
Gallant deserves a ton of credit for getting that team to play so well and achieve so much.
Like others, it's a mystery to me too how he wears out his welcome so quickly but who cares? You're not marrying the guy if he duplicates his success for 2 - 3 years and then wears out his welcome you replace him and at that time the Rangers youth will be entering the early stage of their primes.
And that's not actually the team he took to the cup finals
turned Florida around, went to the SCF with the Vegas expansion team and won gold with a medicore Canada squad this year. He seems to get the best out of his players.
I am curious why he has a 3 year shelf life in places tho, its odd with the success he has.
The Billy Martin effect...maybe he wears out his welcome?
Great hire - Gallant did a great job in LV and got screwed w/ politics
after the McPhee/McCrimmon transition (which from what I'd heard was messy). There's no way to minimize Gallant's accomplishments establishing that team's culture and identity to this day.
How anyone ever fits with Dolan is always an unknown but as a NYI fan I was hoping they'd hire someone other than Gallant.
From what I've read and heard about Gallant's two exits,
Apparently with Florida, the issue was that the minority owner put a heavy emphasis on analytics and he and the analytics department would text Gallant during periods to try to get him to play certain players and not others. Gallant was obviously resistant of the micromanaging and the communication in-between periods and that was all she wrote.
With Vegas, apparently the owner had a hard-on for Pete Deboer so when he shook loose, Vegas had to have him.
That's exactly what the Rangers need - add a couple Corey Perry, Eric Staal (again), Wayne Simmonds, Nate Thompson, Connor Sheary, etc. and the kids don't have to play with their head on a swivel, you get some leadership, experience, and grit. And they're cheap.
That usually comes with older players a lot easier than younger players unless you're trading 1st round picks and prospects for Matthew or Brady Tkachuk.
Did you have some player in mind?
The players I had in mind are Chara and Ovechkin. I do not want players who I perceive have one or two more years of playing time.
those two you wouldn't sign?
I'd sign Chara, his contract with the Caps was 800k. He is probably going to retire, but if not, he's the exact type of player you want to sign. Instead of filling the bottom of the roster with Di Guisseppe and Rooney or overpaying Lemieux - get guys who add a dimension you don't have - experience, grit, leadership.
Ovi will get a lot of cash, even at his age - he is not someone I'd sign either - for the Rangers.
I will admit that you know a lot more about hockey players than I do. I looked up these players and here are their ages
Corey Perry. 36
Wayne Simmons - 32
Eric Staal - 36
Nate Thompson -36
Connor Sheary - 29
Normally, I would add Simmons and Sheary because of their younger ages. I want no part of Staal, although I admit I haven’t seen him play the last two years. Thompson and Perry are desirable. . Chara is 44 years old. No way. I was surprised that Ovechkin is only 35 years old.
I am confident Drury and his staff know about the type of hockey players they need. This should be a good off season for the Rangers.
on the Rangers. Tough, mean, some skill and has always had his teammates backs. We need a couple guys with some mean streaks. Tough to find that skill set with some actual hockey talent, but it's not impossible.
on the Rangers. Tough, mean, some skill and has always had his teammates backs. We need a couple guys with some mean streaks. Tough to find that skill set with some actual hockey talent, but it's not impossible.
Gallant was a big proponent of Ryan Reaves when he was with Vegas. Wouldn't surprise me if he was on Drury's radar.
turned Florida around, went to the SCF with the Vegas expansion team and won gold with a medicore Canada squad this year. He seems to get the best out of his players.
I am curious why he has a 3 year shelf life in places tho, its odd with the success he has.
Gerard Gallant has not had a sub .500 record in any season as a head coach since his time with Columbus (2003-04 to 2006-07).
Don’t know if Rangers had any interest in Capuano but…
on the Rangers. Tough, mean, some skill and has always had his teammates backs. We need a couple guys with some mean streaks. Tough to find that skill set with some actual hockey talent, but it's not impossible.
I've always wanted him on my team too - and he picked TOR over MTL. Probably thought he was picking the team with a better chance to win. Like Joe Thornton did (though MTL wasn't interested in Jumbo Joe).
At the age a lot of the free agent veterans are at - that's their thought process - if they have options - can they win.
I think the Rangers have a lot to offer for these cheap veterans.
I'd redo the bottom of the roster (outside of any other changes they make) with players like that.
Capuano just led team USA to a medal. What a miscalculation.
I really feel like this is sarcasm, but I'm afraid it is just a completely, imbecilic comment instead.
Purely out of empathy. To have to endure the darkness of that long rebuild. Winning the lottery twice, having a Norris candidate and a Hart candidate only want to play for your team, then compound it by hiring Gallant. Just brutal for the fanbase. Capuano could've turned the culture around.
on the Rangers. Tough, mean, some skill and has always had his teammates backs. We need a couple guys with some mean streaks. Tough to find that skill set with some actual hockey talent, but it's not impossible.
I've always wanted him on my team too - and he picked TOR over MTL. Probably thought he was picking the team with a better chance to win. Like Joe Thornton did (though MTL wasn't interested in Jumbo Joe).
At the age a lot of the free agent veterans are at - that's their thought process - if they have options - can they win.
I think the Rangers have a lot to offer for these cheap veterans.
I'd redo the bottom of the roster (outside of any other changes they make) with players like that.
And he can talk shit with the best of them. So entertaining. (I used to talk all kinds of yang back in my college days, especially when I was playing well - of course). My son is a college HWT wrestler and doesn't say a word no matter how much he's working someone. 6'2" 250 pounds and he never shows any emotion.
I'm 45 now and I can't even really live vicariously bc of his temperment. But I love to see it on the ice.
Vegas' owner has a strange affection for Pete DeBoer and was determined to hire him when he became available. Florida was about a clash between him and their new GM, who wasn't the guy who hired him.
There are only 11 coaches who have been with their teams for more than two years. NHL coaches don't last long and I think Gallant's dismissals were a bit idiosyncratic.
That's exactly what the Rangers need - add a couple Corey Perry, Eric Staal (again), Wayne Simmonds, Nate Thompson, Connor Sheary, etc. and the kids don't have to play with their head on a swivel, you get some leadership, experience, and grit. And they're cheap.
That usually comes with older players a lot easier than younger players unless you're trading 1st round picks and prospects for Matthew or Brady Tkachuk.
Did you have some player in mind?
LOL
That he's been successful elsewhere, I guess. That being said, it's not like there's a great crop of candidates out there to choose from.
Gallant's had success in his past two stints as head coach, helping develop young players like Barkov and Huberdeau in Florida. I think he helped develop some of those Vegas players into stars and maximized that team.
I think he was the best option out there. I don't think he's Quenneville or Trotz, but he's good. I wasn't a Quinn hater at all but Gallant is an upgrade.
He's an excellent coach who will shepherd the young talent to the adolescent phase of their careers.
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What's the upshoot?
That he's been successful elsewhere, I guess. That being said, it's not like there's a great crop of candidates out there to choose from.
That is true..on both counts.
We were shocked to see him go.
I will certainly be following the Rangers
I really feel like this is sarcasm, but I'm afraid it is just a completely, imbecilic comment instead.
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Capuano just led team USA to a medal. What a miscalculation.
I really feel like this is sarcasm, but I'm afraid it is just a completely, imbecilic comment instead.
Purely out of empathy. To have to endure the darkness of that long rebuild. Winning the lottery twice, having a Norris candidate and a Hart candidate only want to play for your team, then compound it by hiring Gallant. Just brutal for the fanbase. Capuano could've turned the culture around.
I think the Rangers interviewed others but didn't let it leak.
While Gallant coached his team to the gold medal in the same tournament.
He led the Vegas Golden Knights to the Stanley Cup in their inaugural season with a crappy roster and led a somewhat pedestrian Panthers team to the best record in their division in 2015. That team had a nice blend of veterans (they had Jagr and Jussi Jokinen) and youngsters (like Barkov, Ekblad, Trochek and Huberdeau) much like what the Rangers have now.
The only con is that he's been fired unceremoniously by two different teams despite his successes. The Panthers literally fired him, kicked him off the bus and made him call his own taxi. There's something there (perhaps an attitude issue?), but I don't think it's ever been concluded what.
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Capuano just led team USA to a medal. What a miscalculation.
I really feel like this is sarcasm, but I'm afraid it is just a completely, imbecilic comment instead.
He was being sarcastic. He's an Islanders fan
I am curious why he has a 3 year shelf life in places tho, its odd with the success he has.
Even if he did, IDK if Rod would come to NYC and frankly, I don't even know if Rod would be an upgrade over Gallant. If he does shake loose, I'd imagine he would join his former teammate Ron Francis in Seattle.
Based on not much at all, my worry is that here's a veteran coach, doing things his proven way, and maybe it comes across as a rude dunk in a pool of ice cold water. Is that what this young team--youngest in the NHL--needs? Perhaps.
I was...was struck by this line in NYT story this AM: NYT Sports has shrunk like crazy but still carries the torch for the NBA (good writers, Mark Stein, Scott Cacciola) but virtually ignores the NHL. But finally some coverage on the SCP: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/13/sports/hockey/nhl-new-york-islanders.html and this quote that I found insightful and relevant to the Rangers even as the article is all about the Islanders:
“Out of respect, I talked to Scott,” Lamoriello said. “I was impressed with his vision and his commitment.”
No matter what, this off-season and 2021-2022 regular season are pivotal for this franchise.
That's exactly what the Rangers need - add a couple Corey Perry, Eric Staal (again), Wayne Simmonds, Nate Thompson, Connor Sheary, etc. and the kids don't have to play with their head on a swivel, you get some leadership, experience, and grit. And they're cheap.
That usually comes with older players a lot easier than younger players unless you're trading 1st round picks and prospects for Matthew or Brady Tkachuk.
Did you have some player in mind?
The players I had in mind are Chara and Ovechkin. I do not want players who I perceive have one or two more years of playing time.
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to satisfy those roles?
That's exactly what the Rangers need - add a couple Corey Perry, Eric Staal (again), Wayne Simmonds, Nate Thompson, Connor Sheary, etc. and the kids don't have to play with their head on a swivel, you get some leadership, experience, and grit. And they're cheap.
That usually comes with older players a lot easier than younger players unless you're trading 1st round picks and prospects for Matthew or Brady Tkachuk.
Did you have some player in mind?
The players I had in mind are Chara and Ovechkin. I do not want players who I perceive have one or two more years of playing time.
those two you wouldn't sign?
I'd sign Chara, his contract with the Caps was 800k. He is probably going to retire, but if not, he's the exact type of player you want to sign. Instead of filling the bottom of the roster with Di Guisseppe and Rooney or overpaying Lemieux - get guys who add a dimension you don't have - experience, grit, leadership.
Ovi will get a lot of cash, even at his age - he is not someone I'd sign either - for the Rangers.
I remember post draft thinking that might be the worst team in NHL history (in fact I think I posted that on here).
They have 2 3rd lines and 2 4th lines. I liked their D, but not that much and a goalie who had been at best inconsistent in recent years.
Gallant deserves a ton of credit for getting that team to play so well and achieve so much.
Like others, it's a mystery to me too how he wears out his welcome so quickly but who cares? You're not marrying the guy if he duplicates his success for 2 - 3 years and then wears out his welcome you replace him and at that time the Rangers youth will be entering the early stage of their primes.
but same point - no one looks at that roster as thinks playoff team, let alone cup finalist.
I am curious why he has a 3 year shelf life in places tho, its odd with the success he has.
The Billy Martin effect...maybe he wears out his welcome?
How anyone ever fits with Dolan is always an unknown but as a NYI fan I was hoping they'd hire someone other than Gallant.
With Vegas, apparently the owner had a hard-on for Pete Deboer so when he shook loose, Vegas had to have him.
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to satisfy those roles?
That's exactly what the Rangers need - add a couple Corey Perry, Eric Staal (again), Wayne Simmonds, Nate Thompson, Connor Sheary, etc. and the kids don't have to play with their head on a swivel, you get some leadership, experience, and grit. And they're cheap.
That usually comes with older players a lot easier than younger players unless you're trading 1st round picks and prospects for Matthew or Brady Tkachuk.
Did you have some player in mind?
The players I had in mind are Chara and Ovechkin. I do not want players who I perceive have one or two more years of playing time.
those two you wouldn't sign?
I'd sign Chara, his contract with the Caps was 800k. He is probably going to retire, but if not, he's the exact type of player you want to sign. Instead of filling the bottom of the roster with Di Guisseppe and Rooney or overpaying Lemieux - get guys who add a dimension you don't have - experience, grit, leadership.
Ovi will get a lot of cash, even at his age - he is not someone I'd sign either - for the Rangers.
I will admit that you know a lot more about hockey players than I do. I looked up these players and here are their ages
Corey Perry. 36
Wayne Simmons - 32
Eric Staal - 36
Nate Thompson -36
Connor Sheary - 29
Normally, I would add Simmons and Sheary because of their younger ages. I want no part of Staal, although I admit I haven’t seen him play the last two years. Thompson and Perry are desirable. . Chara is 44 years old. No way. I was surprised that Ovechkin is only 35 years old.
I am confident Drury and his staff know about the type of hockey players they need. This should be a good off season for the Rangers.
Gallant was a big proponent of Ryan Reaves when he was with Vegas. Wouldn't surprise me if he was on Drury's radar.
I am curious why he has a 3 year shelf life in places tho, its odd with the success he has.
Gerard Gallant has not had a sub .500 record in any season as a head coach since his time with Columbus (2003-04 to 2006-07).
-- Rick Carpiniello
Mike Kelly has been with Gallant almost everywhere, so I bet he'll join the Rangers as well
I've always wanted him on my team too - and he picked TOR over MTL. Probably thought he was picking the team with a better chance to win. Like Joe Thornton did (though MTL wasn't interested in Jumbo Joe).
At the age a lot of the free agent veterans are at - that's their thought process - if they have options - can they win.
I think the Rangers have a lot to offer for these cheap veterans.
I'd redo the bottom of the roster (outside of any other changes they make) with players like that.
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Capuano just led team USA to a medal. What a miscalculation.
I really feel like this is sarcasm, but I'm afraid it is just a completely, imbecilic comment instead.
Purely out of empathy. To have to endure the darkness of that long rebuild. Winning the lottery twice, having a Norris candidate and a Hart candidate only want to play for your team, then compound it by hiring Gallant. Just brutal for the fanbase. Capuano could've turned the culture around.
Is he still living in Garth's basement?
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on the Rangers. Tough, mean, some skill and has always had his teammates backs. We need a couple guys with some mean streaks. Tough to find that skill set with some actual hockey talent, but it's not impossible.
I've always wanted him on my team too - and he picked TOR over MTL. Probably thought he was picking the team with a better chance to win. Like Joe Thornton did (though MTL wasn't interested in Jumbo Joe).
At the age a lot of the free agent veterans are at - that's their thought process - if they have options - can they win.
I think the Rangers have a lot to offer for these cheap veterans.
I'd redo the bottom of the roster (outside of any other changes they make) with players like that.
And he can talk shit with the best of them. So entertaining. (I used to talk all kinds of yang back in my college days, especially when I was playing well - of course). My son is a college HWT wrestler and doesn't say a word no matter how much he's working someone. 6'2" 250 pounds and he never shows any emotion.
I'm 45 now and I can't even really live vicariously bc of his temperment. But I love to see it on the ice.
Having said that Gallant is a good hire.
Guess that's good,since Rickles used to call people "hockey pucks!"
I hope it's not true and that he turns out to be a long term solution.