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NFT: Cubs at Mets Game 1. Peterson

ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 6:18 pm
Mets Lineup

Jonathan Villar — 3B
Francisco Lindor — SS
Dominic Smith — LF
Pete Alonso — 1B
Billy McKinney — RF
James McCann — C
Kevin Pillar — CF
Luis Guillorme — 2B
David Peterson — P

Cubs Lineup

Willson Contreras — C
Kris Bryant — LF
Anthony Rizzo — 1B
Patrick Wisdom — 3B
Jake Marisnick — CF
Jason Heyward — RF
Sergio Alcantara — SS
Eric Sogard — 2B
Jake Arrieta — P

deGrom threw batting practice today and is good to go for Wednesday. McNeil 0-2 for Brooklyn yesterday. Should be back by this weekend. Tough loss yesterday but awesome taking the series. Let's get a rebound from Peterson tonight! LFGM!
lets win this series!  
spike : 6/14/2021 6:25 pm : link
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Barnes DFA'd  
ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 6:41 pm : link
Reid Foley activated. Too bad for Barnes. Showed some flashes but obviously not enough.
glad that we have good Peterson tonight  
KDavies : 6/14/2021 7:58 pm : link
SRF will be needed in this stretch coming up
Peterson's  
ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 8:14 pm : link
mechanics got out of wack for a few games and his nerves/emotions compounded matters when things weren't going right....

He'll be fine.
Out  
ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 8:18 pm : link
of 11 games this year, EIGHT times Peterson has allowed 3 runs or less. This will likely be the ninth.
Nice RISP’ing  
jpkmets : 6/14/2021 8:27 pm : link
Metsies!
Peterson looks GREAT  
ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 8:38 pm : link
tonight!
Dom is heating up!  
CooperDash : 6/14/2021 8:44 pm : link
Nice to see.
RE: Out  
spike : 6/14/2021 8:44 pm : link
In comment 15286406 ZGiants98 said:
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of 11 games this year, EIGHT times Peterson has allowed 3 runs or less. This will likely be the ninth.


We need good Pete for this stretch of games!
.  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2021 8:45 pm : link
Dom hasn't been good (in fact there have been murmurs of him losing PT) but he also hasn't had luck on his side (see the Hosmer leaping catch from Saturday)
Yikes  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2021 8:45 pm : link
Mauricio's K rate is up to 34%
Not sold on Peterson yet but I’ll take what he’s giving  
CooperDash : 6/14/2021 8:45 pm : link
right now. Would be nice to see him and Lucchesi string together some nice outings and to stop crushing the BP.
I  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2021 8:48 pm : link
still think it would have been worse stretching out SRF. He made 3 quality starts (out of 6) for the 2019 Blue Jays, his first and only shot at starting at the big league level.
Every time Lindor or Dom have a good game this year  
ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 8:48 pm : link
And show signs of coming out of it, they pretty much go right back to sucking.

Gotta believe one of these days either will break out for real.

Both are up to a 90-ish wRC+ after being around 60 a couple of weeks ago.

So I guess that's progress.
Lindor  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2021 8:50 pm : link
has a .954 OPS in June coming into today. How is he sucking? He's not Mike Trout, he's been very good for a decent run now.
RE: Lindor  
ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 8:53 pm : link
In comment 15286429 DanMetroMan said:
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has a .954 OPS in June coming into today. How is he sucking? He's not Mike Trout, he's been very good for a decent run now.


I just said he's up to a 90 wRC+ after being around 60 and that was progress.

You're happy with his season overall?
Since  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2021 8:53 pm : link
the Colorado series (17 games) .277/.338/.508 3 homers, 4 doubles, 1 triple .846 OPS. If he did that all season it would be better than his career OPS (.823)
Fantastic  
jpkmets : 6/14/2021 8:56 pm : link
Work by Peterson
RE: RE: Lindor  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2021 8:56 pm : link
In comment 15286430 ZGiants98 said:
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has a .954 OPS in June coming into today. How is he sucking? He's not Mike Trout, he's been very good for a decent run now.



I just said he's up to a 90 wRC+ after being around 60 and that was progress.

You're happy with his season overall?


Absolutely not. But unlike Dom, Lindor over the last 15-20 games looks like Francisco Lindor. I don't see why he's being grouped in with Dom. Dom since that same Colorado series

.226/.323/.377, .700 OPS. I'd take the Francisco Lindor we've seen over the last 3+ weeks witth A++ defense any day of the week.
Lindor is also  
jpkmets : 6/14/2021 8:57 pm : link
anchoring the best infield D in 22 years to my eyes and does a lot of good work calming down pitchers. Love the guy and he hasn’t even started to rake yet. So glad we extended him. Dude is talented and a winner.
All that's fine.  
ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 8:58 pm : link
They both have the exact same wRC+ and have both struggled. But thanks for pointing out that Lindor has been good the last two weeks, which is exactly what I also said.

Im not happy with either of Lindor's or Dom's seasons regardless of how they got where they are today.

Im also not worried about either.
Lindor  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2021 8:59 pm : link
has been such a beast defensively that HORRENDOUS start to his career here offensively and all he's still on pace for almost 3 fWAR
All I said is I would like to see either  
ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 9:00 pm : link
go on a real tear. Hitting slightly above your "career average" doesnt quantify as a "tear" for me. It's definitely a positive though, which is what I said.
RE: All that's fine.  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2021 9:02 pm : link
In comment 15286438 ZGiants98 said:
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They both have the exact same wRC+ and have both struggled. But thanks for pointing out that Lindor has been good the last two weeks, which is exactly what I also said.

Im not happy with either of Lindor's or Dom's seasons regardless of how they got where they are today.

Im also not worried about either.


I'm not really looking to argue but you suggested every time either one of them has a few good games they revert. 17 games of .846 OPS and June .954, I don't see the comparison. If Dom reels off an 11 game stretch of a .954 OPS going forward everybody will be going wild about how Dom is back.
.954  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2021 9:04 pm : link
OPS over 10 games isn't a real tear? He's not Tatis Jr. He's a very good offensive player and a great defensive player. I think you're expectations are beyond what is realistic. Normal Lindor is a 5ish win player. 2018 is almost certainly an outlier.
You leave DP in  
Vanzetti : 6/14/2021 9:04 pm : link
Until the tying run is in the on deck circle
By  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2021 9:06 pm : link
wRC+ Francisco Lindor was "only" 7th amongst SS 2016-2020 (117), his June wRC+ is 165
A 2 week sample is too small  
ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 9:07 pm : link
A player can have two great games in a 14 game stretch and OPS over .900.

Means nothing

There have been multiple times Lindor has had a good game or two in April, and May, and followed it up with a week of terrible play again.

All Im saying I would like to see him heat up for real and maintain it.

I believe he will at some point.

Im glad you're thrilled with his June play, but I'd still like to see more before Im convinced he'll keep it going.

Make sense?
RE: By  
ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 9:08 pm : link
In comment 15286448 DanMetroMan said:
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wRC+ Francisco Lindor was "only" 7th amongst SS 2016-2020 (117), his June wRC+ is 165


Yes, 11 games. Thanks.
That's  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2021 9:09 pm : link
not what you said.

"Every time Lindor or Dom have a good game this year
ZGiants98 : 8:48 pm : link : reply
And show signs of coming out of it, they pretty much go right back to sucking."

RE: That's  
ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 9:11 pm : link
In comment 15286451 DanMetroMan said:
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not what you said.

"Every time Lindor or Dom have a good game this year
ZGiants98 : 8:48 pm : link : reply
And show signs of coming out of it, they pretty much go right back to sucking."


Ok, so you took it literally. Got it. I wasn't being literal. Have a good one though. This conversation is pointless.
RE: RE: By  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2021 9:11 pm : link
In comment 15286450 ZGiants98 said:
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wRC+ Francisco Lindor was "only" 7th amongst SS 2016-2020 (117), his June wRC+ is 165



Yes, 11 games. Thanks.


And an .843 OPS over his last 17. A 17 game stretch by any player isn't enough to accept they are hittting well vs. "a good game"? Again, your expectations are clearly beyond the reality of the player he is. He's an elite defensive SS who will give you an .830-.850 OPS most seasons. Brandon Nimmo has a career .840 OPS, Conforto .835. What makes him special is a sum of parts.
Does  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2021 9:12 pm : link
anybody else on here not agree that Lindor is clearly out of his early-season slump over the past 20ish games and that Dom on the other hand prior to today was clearly struggling?
Drury figured out the  
jpkmets : 6/14/2021 9:12 pm : link
curveball nicely.
RE: Does  
jpkmets : 6/14/2021 9:15 pm : link
In comment 15286454 DanMetroMan said:
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anybody else on here not agree that Lindor is clearly out of his early-season slump over the past 20ish games and that Dom on the other hand prior to today was clearly struggling?


Agree with this. Lindor wobbled before the weekend, slightly, but his ABs weren’t bad. Dom looked out of whack until tonight. Nice to see Dom and Peterson working through things.
RE: Does  
ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 9:16 pm : link
In comment 15286454 DanMetroMan said:
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anybody else on here not agree that Lindor is clearly out of his early-season slump over the past 20ish games and that Dom on the other hand prior to today was clearly struggling?


Baseball is a game of streaks. Every hitter goes hot and cold. Lindor and Dom have both been unacceptable offensively this year up until today. Both are at exactly 90 wRC+. Like I said, Im glad your convinced Lindor's last 11 games means he'll be great the rest of the year. I believe that's also possible. I just need to see more. And I'd also like to see him tear off a really hot week or two once in a while. I dont believe that's happened yet. The guy has hit 38 HR in a season. Let's see him rip off 5 HR over 10 games or something like that...
I  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2021 9:17 pm : link
suspect Drury's time here is coming to an end. McNeil and Almora (though Almora does have an option). I've been pleasantly surprised with Mason Williams so far, hard to see how Drury would stick. Very curious to see what comes out from Nimmo's BP. So far, nothing either way. If he's feeling good you'd think he's pretty close, if he's not then I doubt he's back at any time soon.
Today meaning  
ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 9:18 pm : link
"up until now"
I believe Drury and Mason Williams are gonners  
ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 9:19 pm : link
McKinney is staying though. So when the OF is back to full strength, Almora will have to go to AAA.

Another  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2021 9:20 pm : link
decision will be Betances. He can stay rehabbing for 30 days but then he either needs to be added back to the 40 man or DFA'ed. I'd hate to see a better player removed from the 40 man if Betances isn't looking much better than he has.
I  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2021 9:22 pm : link
never believe this team will actually be healthy but in a hypothetical situation where they were


Nimmo, Dom, Conforto, Pillar are obviously on the big club, McKinney for now looks like he has a solid spot so that's already 5 OF's. Almora has to be on the outside looking in at that point. Both Villar and Peraza also have OF experience.
RE: I  
ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 9:23 pm : link
In comment 15286467 DanMetroMan said:
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never believe this team will actually be healthy but in a hypothetical situation where they were


Nimmo, Dom, Conforto, Pillar are obviously on the big club, McKinney for now looks like he has a solid spot so that's already 5 OF's. Almora has to be on the outside looking in at that point. Both Villar and Peraza also have OF experience.


Yup and Peraza will stay until Davis comes back, if he ever does.
RE: Another  
ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 9:24 pm : link
In comment 15286465 DanMetroMan said:
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decision will be Betances. He can stay rehabbing for 30 days but then he either needs to be added back to the 40 man or DFA'ed. I'd hate to see a better player removed from the 40 man if Betances isn't looking much better than he has.


Betances is going to have to prove he can throw 96/97+ in the minors before he can be activated IMO. Really hope they dont bring him back "just because". Would be a complete waste of time.
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DanMetroMan : 6/14/2021 9:27 pm : link
In comment 15286469 ZGiants98 said:
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decision will be Betances. He can stay rehabbing for 30 days but then he either needs to be added back to the 40 man or DFA'ed. I'd hate to see a better player removed from the 40 man if Betances isn't looking much better than he has.



Betances is going to have to prove he can throw 96/97+ in the minors before he can be activated IMO. Really hope they dont bring him back "just because". Would be a complete waste of time.


91-94 first time out, I want to be fair because I "defended" Ginn's velocity to some on twitter but Betances doesn't have the command to be successful at 91-94 and he's likely too old to figure it out now. I hope in addition to a SP which they are on record looking to add they consider a solid depth reliever the way Tyler Clippard used to be floating around the league.
May has been prett6 much a disaster  
jpkmets : 6/14/2021 9:28 pm : link
For the last month or so.
Geezus  
ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 9:28 pm : link
Take May out...
RE: May has been prett6 much a disaster  
spike : 6/14/2021 9:28 pm : link
In comment 15286472 jpkmets said:
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For the last month or so.


might as well DL May. He's lost
RE: RE: RE: Another  
ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 9:29 pm : link
In comment 15286471 DanMetroMan said:
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decision will be Betances. He can stay rehabbing for 30 days but then he either needs to be added back to the 40 man or DFA'ed. I'd hate to see a better player removed from the 40 man if Betances isn't looking much better than he has.



Betances is going to have to prove he can throw 96/97+ in the minors before he can be activated IMO. Really hope they dont bring him back "just because". Would be a complete waste of time.



91-94 first time out, I want to be fair because I "defended" Ginn's velocity to some on twitter but Betances doesn't have the command to be successful at 91-94 and he's likely too old to figure it out now. I hope in addition to a SP which they are on record looking to add they consider a solid depth reliever the way Tyler Clippard used to be floating around the league.


Yeah agreed. And I bet they do.
Earned runs in 4 of last 5  
jpkmets : 6/14/2021 9:29 pm : link
And six of last nine for May. He needs to figure this out.
I know you want to make sure Peterson gets out of the game  
ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 9:31 pm : link
feeling good about himself... But man... Only 70 pitches and we really need innings over this next stretch...
RE: Earned runs in 4 of last 5  
ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 9:31 pm : link
In comment 15286477 jpkmets said:
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And six of last nine for May. He needs to figure this out.


Velocity is up but his slider has been a dead frisbee lately.
May and Castro scare me with the long ball  
Eric on Li : 6/14/2021 9:35 pm : link
in big games Rojas is going to have to real careful who he deploys them against. Will be interesting to see if they start trying Reid Foley in some higher leverage spots.
Nice use of Loup  
jpkmets : 6/14/2021 9:36 pm : link
There. We could use another LHP at some time to avoid gassing him.
Tyler's brother  
ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 9:52 pm : link
Trying to put out the flames. lol
Great job from  
ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 10:03 pm : link
Loup tonight.
Be nice  
Shecky : 6/14/2021 10:04 pm : link
If as guys get healthy and return, they can flip one or two guys who kept the team above water for an arm or two for innings.
PIITB  
ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 10:24 pm : link
Diaz is an all star.
Very nice!  
jpkmets : 6/14/2021 10:24 pm : link
Clean win and a big lift to get this for Peterson.
Diaz  
spike : 6/14/2021 10:25 pm : link
is a bad man
4 out of 5 vs Cubs and pads  
Metnut : 6/14/2021 10:31 pm : link
is no joke. Keep at me tomorrow.

Hopefully Smith gets hot. He’s better than what we’ve see from him this year so far.
Need to figure out whats up with May  
Rory : 6/14/2021 10:49 pm : link
we're going to need him so we dont overwork work Lugo/Loup.

Side note, Hefner has really done a incredible job and deserves some serious credit. Every pitcher is playing at a higher level. Even Familia
What's it like to win?  
Bricktop : 6/14/2021 10:55 pm : link


- Me. Yankees fan.
RE: Need to figure out whats up with May  
ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 11:20 pm : link
In comment 15286508 Rory said:
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we're going to need him so we dont overwork work Lugo/Loup.

Side note, Hefner has really done a incredible job and deserves some serious credit. Every pitcher is playing at a higher level. Even Familia


I think he's just going through a rough patch and will settle back into a 3-ish ERA/FIP guy. We've been kind of spoiled from everyone being so good. But most of these guys will likely hit some rough bumps this year.
RE: What's it like to win?  
jpkmets : 6/14/2021 11:22 pm : link
In comment 15286511 Bricktop said:
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- Me. Yankees fan.


Hahaha, oh man. You guys will find your gear the regression to the mean will be scary for that offense.

But the last two of the games in San Diego really seem to make it feel, (to me anyway) like this team can actually beat good teams without it being shocking. I actually am ok with saying the Mets are a good team - not a hot freaky team like 2016 or 2019 down the stretch but a good team, best since 2nd half of 15 after adding Cespedes, Clippafd, Uribe and Johnson.
RE: RE: Need to figure out whats up with May  
jpkmets : 6/14/2021 11:25 pm : link
In comment 15286513 ZGiants98 said:
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we're going to need him so we dont overwork work Lugo/Loup.

Side note, Hefner has really done a incredible job and deserves some serious credit. Every pitcher is playing at a higher level. Even Familia



I think he's just going through a rough patch and will settle back into a 3-ish ERA/FIP guy. We've been kind of spoiled from everyone being so good. But most of these guys will likely hit some rough bumps this year.


I agree. As you said above his velocity was up tonight but the slide piece was just helicoptering and getting jacked.

I think he’s in the middle of adjustments. Hopefully he finishes it soonish. Good use of him tonight tho when Diaz and Loup were available. Nice to give Lugo a second day off after b2b.
Btw, 18-6 at home  
jpkmets : 6/14/2021 11:33 pm : link
Crazy to have played 10 fewer home than road. Savin* trace of the 33 in 31 is that a good amount of them are at home.
RE: .954  
moze1021 : 6/14/2021 11:38 pm : link
In comment 15286446 DanMetroMan said:
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OPS over 10 games isn't a real tear? He's not Tatis Jr. He's a very good offensive player and a great defensive player. I think you're expectations are beyond what is realistic. Normal Lindor is a 5ish win player. 2018 is almost certainly an outlier.


The majority of Mets fans is expecting a perennial MVP candidate who IS right there with Tatis...top 5 player in baseball was how he was billed by media so that's what is expected..and when you sign that contract, it goes with those expectations...

Right or wrong (apparently it's wrong)
Nimmo  
Vanzetti : 6/15/2021 1:58 am : link
Turns out he was misdiagnosed by Mets crack medical staff. Has a ligament tear not nerve damage

The ligament tears should heal on their own. His timetable is his obviously somewhat uncertain. But good
News that it is not nerve damage
JD  
Vanzetti : 6/15/2021 2:05 am : link
Second cortisone shot last Friday.

Obviously the hand is still inflamed.

Good thing Sandy signed Villar
We had good starts now from Luchesi and Peterson. That's very  
Ira : 6/15/2021 4:13 am : link
encouraging, especially considering the upcoming schedule.
huge win with Peterson going  
KDavies : 6/15/2021 9:12 am : link
Walker, deGrom, and Stroman going the next 3 vs. the Cubs. They should hopefully be able to take 2 out of 3 of those.
Lindor  
five5 : 6/15/2021 10:08 am : link
How can anyone be happy w/his production so far. His defense has been good but offensively he has been a huge disappointment. You expect more from a guy making over 30 mil/year...a lot more. I expect a difference maker and he certainly hasn't been that.
RE: Lindor  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 10:11 am : link
In comment 15286599 five5 said:
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How can anyone be happy w/his production so far. His defense has been good but offensively he has been a huge disappointment. You expect more from a guy making over 30 mil/year...a lot more. I expect a difference maker and he certainly hasn't been that.


Where was it suggested by ANYONE that they were happy with his overall offensive production on the season? Talk about a strawman.
RE: Lindor  
Shecky : 6/15/2021 10:12 am : link
In comment 15286599 five5 said:
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How can anyone be happy w/his production so far. His defense has been good but offensively he has been a huge disappointment. You expect more from a guy making over 30 mil/year...a lot more. I expect a difference maker and he certainly hasn't been that.


As Dan said earlier, he’s pacing a three win season. The value if that is what, $25-$30mm?
What’s Lindor earning this season?
Did he have a rough stretch, absolutely
But the advantage of a true five tool player, is when one, two or even three tools disappear for a while, he’s got other tools to add value.
Conversely, when an Alonso or Dom aren’t hitting….
Lindor hasn't been a difference maker?  
Eric on Li : 6/15/2021 10:15 am : link
is the defense different? who is the team's best defender?
RE: RE: Lindor  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 10:20 am : link
In comment 15286606 Shecky said:
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How can anyone be happy w/his production so far. His defense has been good but offensively he has been a huge disappointment. You expect more from a guy making over 30 mil/year...a lot more. I expect a difference maker and he certainly hasn't been that.



As Dan said earlier, he’s pacing a three win season. The value if that is what, $25-$30mm?
What’s Lindor earning this season?
Did he have a rough stretch, absolutely
But the advantage of a true five tool player, is when one, two or even three tools disappear for a while, he’s got other tools to add value.
Conversely, when an Alonso or Dom aren’t hitting….


Unfortunately, defense (when not of the Edmonds/Ozzie Smith variety) is overlooked by fans, as is baserunning, leadership (take note of who is the one giving struggling P a pep talk nearly 100% of the time there are mound visits). Lindor looked awful offensively for a very decent stretch, there is no denying that but he's been much better recently and even during this stretch he was helping the team in other ways.

His exit velocity is identical to his career numbers 90.3 vs. 89.9, barrel # 6.3 vs. 6.5, sweet spot % is actually slightly up and he's having maybe his best defensive season ever if you go by OAA (+8 OAA, career high is +20), so he didn't "take it into the field with him".
Lindor  
five5 : 6/15/2021 10:22 am : link
so we should be happy w/his overall production so far? Bottom line...big disappointment and if you think otherwise can't help ya. His offensive #s have been trending downward the last couple of years so wouldn't expect him to be much better going forward
RE: Lindor  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 10:26 am : link
In comment 15286611 five5 said:
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so we should be happy w/his overall production so far? Bottom line...big disappointment and if you think otherwise can't help ya. His offensive #s have been trending downward the last couple of years so wouldn't expect him to be much better going forward


Please highlight where people are suggesting happiness with his overall offensive production on the season. "Rending downward" with 1.8 fWAR in 2020 over 60 games, so completely in line with his career line? Got it.

2017 115 wRC+
2018 132 (completely out of line with his other seasons)
2019 116
2020 102

So we are calling 2020 and a bad start to 2021 "trending downward for the last couple of seasons"? lol wow.
Lindor  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 10:28 am : link
since 2016 109, 116, 132, 115, 102, June 2021 153. So we are now calling a roughly 100 game sample size (which includes an odd 2020) a "multi-year" decline. Cool cool.
RE: Lindor  
KDavies : 6/15/2021 10:28 am : link
In comment 15286611 five5 said:
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so we should be happy w/his overall production so far? Bottom line...big disappointment and if you think otherwise can't help ya. His offensive #s have been trending downward the last couple of years so wouldn't expect him to be much better going forward


Jesus. It's been two and a half months. He got off to a real rough start offensively. Then he has really gotten it going. Players sometimes take time adjusting to NY, the pressure, the media, etc. Some are slow starters. The Mets had a lot of cancellations early on, and a lot of bats started out slow.

Lindor has a track record, and has been playing quite well the past few weeks.
Awesome  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 10:30 am : link
piece which highlights how absurd deGrom is
Link - ( New Window )
Very  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 10:32 am : link
curious how high the Mets aim to add a SP. Do they take a shot giving up actual good prospects for a Marquez? Do they hope the price comes down on a Kyle Gibson? Do they try a rental like Jon Gray?
RE: Very  
KDavies : 6/15/2021 10:39 am : link
In comment 15286620 DanMetroMan said:
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curious how high the Mets aim to add a SP. Do they take a shot giving up actual good prospects for a Marquez? Do they hope the price comes down on a Kyle Gibson? Do they try a rental like Jon Gray?


What do you think a Marquez would cost? Would Vientos be enough as the headliner, or would they insist on a Mauricio? Unsure I do it for a Mauricio+. That seems like a Wilpon move, instead of paying for pitchers. I'd rather get the cheaper (prospect wise guy), and supplement by paying for SP (including Stroman and/or Thor)
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DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 10:41 am : link
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In comment 15286620 DanMetroMan said:


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curious how high the Mets aim to add a SP. Do they take a shot giving up actual good prospects for a Marquez? Do they hope the price comes down on a Kyle Gibson? Do they try a rental like Jon Gray?



What do you think a Marquez would cost? Would Vientos be enough as the headliner, or would they insist on a Mauricio? Unsure I do it for a Mauricio+. That seems like a Wilpon move, instead of paying for pitchers. I'd rather get the cheaper (prospect wise guy), and supplement by paying for SP (including Stroman and/or Thor)


Gotta believe Marquez costs Mauricio. He's signed through 2023 with a team option for 2024 and he's only 26 years old. Vientos is hitting .208 in AA, yeah he's young for the league but he strikes out a TON and at this point is no better than the Mets 4th best tradable prospect (I wouldn't even have him that high).
yeah, just seems too Wheeler/Stroman to me  
KDavies : 6/15/2021 10:46 am : link
Mets should have just paid for Wheeler, but gave up prospects for Stroman to pay him less. I like Stroman don't get me wrong. It's water under the bridge at this point. But I would rather just keep what they have and supplement with lesser players than go big on a Marquez, and let Stroman or Thor go as a result.
BR  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 10:47 am : link
has added a TON of Negro league content
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RE: yeah, just seems too Wheeler/Stroman to me  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 10:51 am : link
In comment 15286635 KDavies said:
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Mets should have just paid for Wheeler, but gave up prospects for Stroman to pay him less. I like Stroman don't get me wrong. It's water under the bridge at this point. But I would rather just keep what they have and supplement with lesser players than go big on a Marquez, and let Stroman or Thor go as a result.


I don't think a Marquez is necessary (though I'd be open to moving Mauricio in the right deal). I do think they 100% need to add a SP (Scott seemingly agrees) can't assume Carrasco or Syndergaard add anything and God forbid there is an injury... as it is it looks like Nick Tropeano might soon be making a start with Szapucki struggling and Megill likely not MLB ready.
agreed  
KDavies : 6/15/2021 11:02 am : link
I have no issues trading a Mauricio in the right deal. But with deGrom, Stroman, Walker (and possibly Thor and/or Carrasco, there is no need for a Marquez at this point. It's overkill. I am fine with Lucchesi/Peterson right now (Lucchesi has been pitching a lot better, Peterson pitched well last night), and supplementing internally until Thor/Carrasco get back. Szapucki, SRF, Tropeano, Yamamoto when back, Eickhoff, Megill. If you need to, supplement with a cheaper arm like a Gibson.

Injuries change that, of course, but I don't see giving up a top 100 prospect for a player who may be the 4th best SP in the playoffs. Lower than that if healthy. Plus his presence would necessitate not signing a FA, as they have deGrom, Walker, Carrasco under contract next year and would only have room in the rotation to resign 1 of Stroman/Thor
Eickhoff  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 11:09 am : link
and Szapucki "chose" the wrong time to start struggling.
Ideally  
allstarjim : 6/15/2021 11:14 am : link
Mauricio continues to develop, becomes the #1 SS prospect in baseball, and then we can get a big time difference maker, or a steady guy and some lottery tickets thrown in.

I guess what I'm saying is that I'm not sure trading Mauricio now is the best course. I think his stock will go higher, but it's certainly a risk. I agree with Dan, definitely open to trading him in the right deal.

In terms of the SP, Nick Tropeano is next man up right now, right? I would think. I wouldn't be keen on an opener until they have some days off in the schedule again.
Tropeano would essentially be an opener at this point  
KDavies : 6/15/2021 11:17 am : link
in MLB this year, he has 6 innings of relief in 4 appearances. In AAA, he has 9.2 inning in 3 starts. Good numbers, but hasn't been stretched out. Mets definitely benefit from the 7 inning DH rule this year, as whoever they have making these extra starts likely won't be giving much more than 3 innings.
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DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 11:21 am : link
know more than me but I'm surprised they haven't given more thought to stretching out SRF. He made 6 starts for the 2019 Blue Jays, 3 of which were quality starts. They have zero SP depth, why not? Easier to find RP depth at the deadline anyway.
SRF has been fantastic  
KDavies : 6/15/2021 11:27 am : link
very pleased with the Matz deal. SRF, Y. Diaz (who looks promising), and Lee for Matz and Valdez. SRF isn't a FA until 2027.
RE: SRF has been fantastic  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 11:29 am : link
In comment 15286671 KDavies said:
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very pleased with the Matz deal. SRF, Y. Diaz (who looks promising), and Lee for Matz and Valdez. SRF isn't a FA until 2027.


In fairness, if you're including Lee you need to also include Josh Winckowski who currently has a 2.39 era in AA for Boston
RE: RE: SRF has been fantastic  
KDavies : 6/15/2021 11:35 am : link
In comment 15286674 DanMetroMan said:
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very pleased with the Matz deal. SRF, Y. Diaz (who looks promising), and Lee for Matz and Valdez. SRF isn't a FA until 2027.



In fairness, if you're including Lee you need to also include Josh Winckowski who currently has a 2.39 era in AA for Boston


I was going with the players ultimately out of the organization, and the players in. Winckowski was in and out so quick. Mets dealt Matz to the Blue Jays for Winckowski, Diaz, and SRF. Then dealt Winckowski and ultimately Valdez for Lee. I was cancelling Winckowski out on both sides.

I essentially look at the deal as ultimately Matz and Valdez for SRF, Diaz, and Lee when all is said and done.

Looking it up, it seems there were two weeks between the two deals. For some reason, I remembered them being closer
Corey Oswalt  
KDavies : 6/15/2021 11:35 am : link
looking him up in AAA this year, he is pitching nicely. Though in 5 games, he has 1 start and 2 saves. Wonder if they are looking to convert him to relief.
RE: Corey Oswalt  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 11:40 am : link
In comment 15286682 KDavies said:
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looking him up in AAA this year, he is pitching nicely. Though in 5 games, he has 1 start and 2 saves. Wonder if they are looking to convert him to relief.


He just joined the Syracuse rotation after being injured.
Assuming 5 outfielders...  
dannysection 313 : 6/15/2021 11:57 am : link
And, assuming no set backs (don't strike me down Met Karma God!), looks like Conforto and Nimmo may/will be back in the next week to 10 days....

So, Conforto, Nimmo, Dom, Pillar and....?

Options are McKinney and Almora.

McKinney has a good glove, Almora a better glove. Gotta think McKinney gives you more stick, but he's lefty, as are Dom, Nimmo and Conforto.

Tough choice...
Almora  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 12:01 pm : link
has a 59 OPS+ since opening day 2019 and has an option left whereas McKinney would need to be DFA'ed and likely claimed. No-brainer, McKinney.
RE: They  
speedywheels : 6/15/2021 12:23 pm : link
In comment 15286668 DanMetroMan said:
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know more than me but I'm surprised they haven't given more thought to stretching out SRF. He made 6 starts for the 2019 Blue Jays, 3 of which were quality starts. They have zero SP depth, why not? Easier to find RP depth at the deadline anyway.


Maybe they feel they can package a reliever (or two) with other parts for a SP?
RE: RE: They  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 12:28 pm : link
In comment 15286713 speedywheels said:
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know more than me but I'm surprised they haven't given more thought to stretching out SRF. He made 6 starts for the 2019 Blue Jays, 3 of which were quality starts. They have zero SP depth, why not? Easier to find RP depth at the deadline anyway.



Maybe they feel they can package a reliever (or two) with other parts for a SP?


They don't really have relievers to spare and they may or may not be the case but they need SP's NOW and it's pretty clear teams aren't in the rush to move SP's. The trade market has been completely silent to this point.
RE: Almora  
Mike in NY : 6/15/2021 12:29 pm : link
In comment 15286702 DanMetroMan said:
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has a 59 OPS+ since opening day 2019 and has an option left whereas McKinney would need to be DFA'ed and likely claimed. No-brainer, McKinney.


Not to mention that Pillar can face a lefty and the only time where you might want to bench 2 of them is against the most elite LHP and with San Diego done for the year that takes away one of the pitchers you would need that for (Blake Snell)
RE: RE: Almora  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 12:37 pm : link
In comment 15286718 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 15286702 DanMetroMan said:


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has a 59 OPS+ since opening day 2019 and has an option left whereas McKinney would need to be DFA'ed and likely claimed. No-brainer, McKinney.



Not to mention that Pillar can face a lefty and the only time where you might want to bench 2 of them is against the most elite LHP and with San Diego done for the year that takes away one of the pitchers you would need that for (Blake Snell)


Yup. Almora is probably better in CF than McKinney but late-inning defense in CF with absolutely zero offense simply isn't a huge value to the roster (especially considerin you'd almost certainly lose McKinney and can stick Almora in Syracuse), I'd go so far as to say it would be shocking if they went with Almora over McKinney barring McKinney completely tanking over the next week or 2.
Mark Feinsand  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 12:38 pm : link
lists the Mets as a fit for Charlie Blackmon. I don't see that one at all. No longer can play CF, 2 player options after this one (already 35). Unless you've completely given up on Dominic Smith, what is Blackmon doing here?
RE: Mark Feinsand  
Chris684 : 6/15/2021 12:56 pm : link
In comment 15286722 DanMetroMan said:
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lists the Mets as a fit for Charlie Blackmon. I don't see that one at all. No longer can play CF, 2 player options after this one (already 35). Unless you've completely given up on Dominic Smith, what is Blackmon doing here?


Mets need starting pitching, not Charlie Blackmon.
Cole  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 1:10 pm : link
Hamels has begun throwing, I assume the Mets will send somebody to give him a look once he has a showcase.
RE: RE: Almora  
moze1021 : 6/15/2021 3:10 pm : link
In comment 15286718 Mike in NY said:
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has a 59 OPS+ since opening day 2019 and has an option left whereas McKinney would need to be DFA'ed and likely claimed. No-brainer, McKinney.



Not to mention that Pillar can face a lefty and the only time where you might want to bench 2 of them is against the most elite LHP and with San Diego done for the year that takes away one of the pitchers you would need that for (Blake Snell)


Will we pull this back up when we face Blake Snell in Game 1 of NLCS?
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