Mets Lineup
Jonathan Villar — 3B
Francisco Lindor — SS
Dominic Smith — LF
Pete Alonso — 1B
Billy McKinney — RF
James McCann — C
Kevin Pillar — CF
Luis Guillorme — 2B
David Peterson — P
Cubs Lineup
Willson Contreras — C
Kris Bryant — LF
Anthony Rizzo — 1B
Patrick Wisdom — 3B
Jake Marisnick — CF
Jason Heyward — RF
Sergio Alcantara — SS
Eric Sogard — 2B
Jake Arrieta — P
deGrom threw batting practice today and is good to go for Wednesday. McNeil 0-2 for Brooklyn yesterday. Should be back by this weekend. Tough loss yesterday but awesome taking the series. Let's get a rebound from Peterson tonight! LFGM!
He'll be fine.
We need good Pete for this stretch of games!
Gotta believe one of these days either will break out for real.
Both are up to a 90-ish wRC+ after being around 60 a couple of weeks ago.
So I guess that's progress.
I just said he's up to a 90 wRC+ after being around 60 and that was progress.
You're happy with his season overall?
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has a .954 OPS in June coming into today. How is he sucking? He's not Mike Trout, he's been very good for a decent run now.
I just said he's up to a 90 wRC+ after being around 60 and that was progress.
You're happy with his season overall?
Absolutely not. But unlike Dom, Lindor over the last 15-20 games looks like Francisco Lindor. I don't see why he's being grouped in with Dom. Dom since that same Colorado series
.226/.323/.377, .700 OPS. I'd take the Francisco Lindor we've seen over the last 3+ weeks witth A++ defense any day of the week.
Im not happy with either of Lindor's or Dom's seasons regardless of how they got where they are today.
Im also not worried about either.
Im not happy with either of Lindor's or Dom's seasons regardless of how they got where they are today.
Im also not worried about either.
I'm not really looking to argue but you suggested every time either one of them has a few good games they revert. 17 games of .846 OPS and June .954, I don't see the comparison. If Dom reels off an 11 game stretch of a .954 OPS going forward everybody will be going wild about how Dom is back.
Means nothing
There have been multiple times Lindor has had a good game or two in April, and May, and followed it up with a week of terrible play again.
All Im saying I would like to see him heat up for real and maintain it.
I believe he will at some point.
Im glad you're thrilled with his June play, but I'd still like to see more before Im convinced he'll keep it going.
Make sense?
Yes, 11 games. Thanks.
"Every time Lindor or Dom have a good game this year
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And show signs of coming out of it, they pretty much go right back to sucking."
"Every time Lindor or Dom have a good game this year
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And show signs of coming out of it, they pretty much go right back to sucking."
Ok, so you took it literally. Got it. I wasn't being literal. Have a good one though. This conversation is pointless.
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wRC+ Francisco Lindor was "only" 7th amongst SS 2016-2020 (117), his June wRC+ is 165
Yes, 11 games. Thanks.
And an .843 OPS over his last 17. A 17 game stretch by any player isn't enough to accept they are hittting well vs. "a good game"? Again, your expectations are clearly beyond the reality of the player he is. He's an elite defensive SS who will give you an .830-.850 OPS most seasons. Brandon Nimmo has a career .840 OPS, Conforto .835. What makes him special is a sum of parts.
Agree with this. Lindor wobbled before the weekend, slightly, but his ABs weren’t bad. Dom looked out of whack until tonight. Nice to see Dom and Peterson working through things.
Baseball is a game of streaks. Every hitter goes hot and cold. Lindor and Dom have both been unacceptable offensively this year up until today. Both are at exactly 90 wRC+. Like I said, Im glad your convinced Lindor's last 11 games means he'll be great the rest of the year. I believe that's also possible. I just need to see more. And I'd also like to see him tear off a really hot week or two once in a while. I dont believe that's happened yet. The guy has hit 38 HR in a season. Let's see him rip off 5 HR over 10 games or something like that...
Nimmo, Dom, Conforto, Pillar are obviously on the big club, McKinney for now looks like he has a solid spot so that's already 5 OF's. Almora has to be on the outside looking in at that point. Both Villar and Peraza also have OF experience.
Nimmo, Dom, Conforto, Pillar are obviously on the big club, McKinney for now looks like he has a solid spot so that's already 5 OF's. Almora has to be on the outside looking in at that point. Both Villar and Peraza also have OF experience.
Yup and Peraza will stay until Davis comes back, if he ever does.
Betances is going to have to prove he can throw 96/97+ in the minors before he can be activated IMO. Really hope they dont bring him back "just because". Would be a complete waste of time.
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decision will be Betances. He can stay rehabbing for 30 days but then he either needs to be added back to the 40 man or DFA'ed. I'd hate to see a better player removed from the 40 man if Betances isn't looking much better than he has.
Betances is going to have to prove he can throw 96/97+ in the minors before he can be activated IMO. Really hope they dont bring him back "just because". Would be a complete waste of time.
91-94 first time out, I want to be fair because I "defended" Ginn's velocity to some on twitter but Betances doesn't have the command to be successful at 91-94 and he's likely too old to figure it out now. I hope in addition to a SP which they are on record looking to add they consider a solid depth reliever the way Tyler Clippard used to be floating around the league.
might as well DL May. He's lost
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decision will be Betances. He can stay rehabbing for 30 days but then he either needs to be added back to the 40 man or DFA'ed. I'd hate to see a better player removed from the 40 man if Betances isn't looking much better than he has.
Betances is going to have to prove he can throw 96/97+ in the minors before he can be activated IMO. Really hope they dont bring him back "just because". Would be a complete waste of time.
91-94 first time out, I want to be fair because I "defended" Ginn's velocity to some on twitter but Betances doesn't have the command to be successful at 91-94 and he's likely too old to figure it out now. I hope in addition to a SP which they are on record looking to add they consider a solid depth reliever the way Tyler Clippard used to be floating around the league.
Yeah agreed. And I bet they do.
Velocity is up but his slider has been a dead frisbee lately.
Hopefully Smith gets hot. He’s better than what we’ve see from him this year so far.
Side note, Hefner has really done a incredible job and deserves some serious credit. Every pitcher is playing at a higher level. Even Familia
- Me. Yankees fan.
Side note, Hefner has really done a incredible job and deserves some serious credit. Every pitcher is playing at a higher level. Even Familia
I think he's just going through a rough patch and will settle back into a 3-ish ERA/FIP guy. We've been kind of spoiled from everyone being so good. But most of these guys will likely hit some rough bumps this year.
- Me. Yankees fan.
Hahaha, oh man. You guys will find your gear the regression to the mean will be scary for that offense.
But the last two of the games in San Diego really seem to make it feel, (to me anyway) like this team can actually beat good teams without it being shocking. I actually am ok with saying the Mets are a good team - not a hot freaky team like 2016 or 2019 down the stretch but a good team, best since 2nd half of 15 after adding Cespedes, Clippafd, Uribe and Johnson.
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we're going to need him so we dont overwork work Lugo/Loup.
Side note, Hefner has really done a incredible job and deserves some serious credit. Every pitcher is playing at a higher level. Even Familia
I think he's just going through a rough patch and will settle back into a 3-ish ERA/FIP guy. We've been kind of spoiled from everyone being so good. But most of these guys will likely hit some rough bumps this year.
I agree. As you said above his velocity was up tonight but the slide piece was just helicoptering and getting jacked.
I think he’s in the middle of adjustments. Hopefully he finishes it soonish. Good use of him tonight tho when Diaz and Loup were available. Nice to give Lugo a second day off after b2b.
The majority of Mets fans is expecting a perennial MVP candidate who IS right there with Tatis...top 5 player in baseball was how he was billed by media so that's what is expected..and when you sign that contract, it goes with those expectations...
Right or wrong (apparently it's wrong)
The ligament tears should heal on their own. His timetable is his obviously somewhat uncertain. But good
News that it is not nerve damage
Obviously the hand is still inflamed.
Good thing Sandy signed Villar
Where was it suggested by ANYONE that they were happy with his overall offensive production on the season? Talk about a strawman.
As Dan said earlier, he’s pacing a three win season. The value if that is what, $25-$30mm?
What’s Lindor earning this season?
Did he have a rough stretch, absolutely
But the advantage of a true five tool player, is when one, two or even three tools disappear for a while, he’s got other tools to add value.
Conversely, when an Alonso or Dom aren’t hitting….
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How can anyone be happy w/his production so far. His defense has been good but offensively he has been a huge disappointment. You expect more from a guy making over 30 mil/year...a lot more. I expect a difference maker and he certainly hasn't been that.
As Dan said earlier, he’s pacing a three win season. The value if that is what, $25-$30mm?
What’s Lindor earning this season?
Did he have a rough stretch, absolutely
But the advantage of a true five tool player, is when one, two or even three tools disappear for a while, he’s got other tools to add value.
Conversely, when an Alonso or Dom aren’t hitting….
Unfortunately, defense (when not of the Edmonds/Ozzie Smith variety) is overlooked by fans, as is baserunning, leadership (take note of who is the one giving struggling P a pep talk nearly 100% of the time there are mound visits). Lindor looked awful offensively for a very decent stretch, there is no denying that but he's been much better recently and even during this stretch he was helping the team in other ways.
His exit velocity is identical to his career numbers 90.3 vs. 89.9, barrel # 6.3 vs. 6.5, sweet spot % is actually slightly up and he's having maybe his best defensive season ever if you go by OAA (+8 OAA, career high is +20), so he didn't "take it into the field with him".
Please highlight where people are suggesting happiness with his overall offensive production on the season. "Rending downward" with 1.8 fWAR in 2020 over 60 games, so completely in line with his career line? Got it.
2017 115 wRC+
2018 132 (completely out of line with his other seasons)
2019 116
2020 102
So we are calling 2020 and a bad start to 2021 "trending downward for the last couple of seasons"? lol wow.
Jesus. It's been two and a half months. He got off to a real rough start offensively. Then he has really gotten it going. Players sometimes take time adjusting to NY, the pressure, the media, etc. Some are slow starters. The Mets had a lot of cancellations early on, and a lot of bats started out slow.
Lindor has a track record, and has been playing quite well the past few weeks.
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What do you think a Marquez would cost? Would Vientos be enough as the headliner, or would they insist on a Mauricio? Unsure I do it for a Mauricio+. That seems like a Wilpon move, instead of paying for pitchers. I'd rather get the cheaper (prospect wise guy), and supplement by paying for SP (including Stroman and/or Thor)
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curious how high the Mets aim to add a SP. Do they take a shot giving up actual good prospects for a Marquez? Do they hope the price comes down on a Kyle Gibson? Do they try a rental like Jon Gray?
What do you think a Marquez would cost? Would Vientos be enough as the headliner, or would they insist on a Mauricio? Unsure I do it for a Mauricio+. That seems like a Wilpon move, instead of paying for pitchers. I'd rather get the cheaper (prospect wise guy), and supplement by paying for SP (including Stroman and/or Thor)
Gotta believe Marquez costs Mauricio. He's signed through 2023 with a team option for 2024 and he's only 26 years old. Vientos is hitting .208 in AA, yeah he's young for the league but he strikes out a TON and at this point is no better than the Mets 4th best tradable prospect (I wouldn't even have him that high).
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I don't think a Marquez is necessary (though I'd be open to moving Mauricio in the right deal). I do think they 100% need to add a SP (Scott seemingly agrees) can't assume Carrasco or Syndergaard add anything and God forbid there is an injury... as it is it looks like Nick Tropeano might soon be making a start with Szapucki struggling and Megill likely not MLB ready.
Injuries change that, of course, but I don't see giving up a top 100 prospect for a player who may be the 4th best SP in the playoffs. Lower than that if healthy. Plus his presence would necessitate not signing a FA, as they have deGrom, Walker, Carrasco under contract next year and would only have room in the rotation to resign 1 of Stroman/Thor
I guess what I'm saying is that I'm not sure trading Mauricio now is the best course. I think his stock will go higher, but it's certainly a risk. I agree with Dan, definitely open to trading him in the right deal.
In terms of the SP, Nick Tropeano is next man up right now, right? I would think. I wouldn't be keen on an opener until they have some days off in the schedule again.
In fairness, if you're including Lee you need to also include Josh Winckowski who currently has a 2.39 era in AA for Boston
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very pleased with the Matz deal. SRF, Y. Diaz (who looks promising), and Lee for Matz and Valdez. SRF isn't a FA until 2027.
In fairness, if you're including Lee you need to also include Josh Winckowski who currently has a 2.39 era in AA for Boston
I was going with the players ultimately out of the organization, and the players in. Winckowski was in and out so quick. Mets dealt Matz to the Blue Jays for Winckowski, Diaz, and SRF. Then dealt Winckowski and ultimately Valdez for Lee. I was cancelling Winckowski out on both sides.
I essentially look at the deal as ultimately Matz and Valdez for SRF, Diaz, and Lee when all is said and done.
Looking it up, it seems there were two weeks between the two deals. For some reason, I remembered them being closer
He just joined the Syracuse rotation after being injured.
So, Conforto, Nimmo, Dom, Pillar and....?
Options are McKinney and Almora.
McKinney has a good glove, Almora a better glove. Gotta think McKinney gives you more stick, but he's lefty, as are Dom, Nimmo and Conforto.
Tough choice...
Maybe they feel they can package a reliever (or two) with other parts for a SP?
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know more than me but I'm surprised they haven't given more thought to stretching out SRF. He made 6 starts for the 2019 Blue Jays, 3 of which were quality starts. They have zero SP depth, why not? Easier to find RP depth at the deadline anyway.
Maybe they feel they can package a reliever (or two) with other parts for a SP?
They don't really have relievers to spare and they may or may not be the case but they need SP's NOW and it's pretty clear teams aren't in the rush to move SP's. The trade market has been completely silent to this point.
Not to mention that Pillar can face a lefty and the only time where you might want to bench 2 of them is against the most elite LHP and with San Diego done for the year that takes away one of the pitchers you would need that for (Blake Snell)
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has a 59 OPS+ since opening day 2019 and has an option left whereas McKinney would need to be DFA'ed and likely claimed. No-brainer, McKinney.
Not to mention that Pillar can face a lefty and the only time where you might want to bench 2 of them is against the most elite LHP and with San Diego done for the year that takes away one of the pitchers you would need that for (Blake Snell)
Yup. Almora is probably better in CF than McKinney but late-inning defense in CF with absolutely zero offense simply isn't a huge value to the roster (especially considerin you'd almost certainly lose McKinney and can stick Almora in Syracuse), I'd go so far as to say it would be shocking if they went with Almora over McKinney barring McKinney completely tanking over the next week or 2.
Mets need starting pitching, not Charlie Blackmon.
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has a 59 OPS+ since opening day 2019 and has an option left whereas McKinney would need to be DFA'ed and likely claimed. No-brainer, McKinney.
Not to mention that Pillar can face a lefty and the only time where you might want to bench 2 of them is against the most elite LHP and with San Diego done for the year that takes away one of the pitchers you would need that for (Blake Snell)
Will we pull this back up when we face Blake Snell in Game 1 of NLCS?