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NFT: Cubs at Mets Game 1. Peterson

ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 6:18 pm
Mets Lineup

Jonathan Villar — 3B
Francisco Lindor — SS
Dominic Smith — LF
Pete Alonso — 1B
Billy McKinney — RF
James McCann — C
Kevin Pillar — CF
Luis Guillorme — 2B
David Peterson — P

Cubs Lineup

Willson Contreras — C
Kris Bryant — LF
Anthony Rizzo — 1B
Patrick Wisdom — 3B
Jake Marisnick — CF
Jason Heyward — RF
Sergio Alcantara — SS
Eric Sogard — 2B
Jake Arrieta — P

deGrom threw batting practice today and is good to go for Wednesday. McNeil 0-2 for Brooklyn yesterday. Should be back by this weekend. Tough loss yesterday but awesome taking the series. Let's get a rebound from Peterson tonight! LFGM!
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lets win this series!  
spike : 6/14/2021 6:25 pm : link
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Barnes DFA'd  
ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 6:41 pm : link
Reid Foley activated. Too bad for Barnes. Showed some flashes but obviously not enough.
glad that we have good Peterson tonight  
KDavies : 6/14/2021 7:58 pm : link
SRF will be needed in this stretch coming up
Peterson's  
ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 8:14 pm : link
mechanics got out of wack for a few games and his nerves/emotions compounded matters when things weren't going right....

He'll be fine.
Out  
ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 8:18 pm : link
of 11 games this year, EIGHT times Peterson has allowed 3 runs or less. This will likely be the ninth.
Nice RISP’ing  
jpkmets : 6/14/2021 8:27 pm : link
Metsies!
Peterson looks GREAT  
ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 8:38 pm : link
tonight!
Dom is heating up!  
CooperDash : 6/14/2021 8:44 pm : link
Nice to see.
RE: Out  
spike : 6/14/2021 8:44 pm : link
In comment 15286406 ZGiants98 said:
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of 11 games this year, EIGHT times Peterson has allowed 3 runs or less. This will likely be the ninth.


We need good Pete for this stretch of games!
.  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2021 8:45 pm : link
Dom hasn't been good (in fact there have been murmurs of him losing PT) but he also hasn't had luck on his side (see the Hosmer leaping catch from Saturday)
Yikes  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2021 8:45 pm : link
Mauricio's K rate is up to 34%
Not sold on Peterson yet but I’ll take what he’s giving  
CooperDash : 6/14/2021 8:45 pm : link
right now. Would be nice to see him and Lucchesi string together some nice outings and to stop crushing the BP.
I  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2021 8:48 pm : link
still think it would have been worse stretching out SRF. He made 3 quality starts (out of 6) for the 2019 Blue Jays, his first and only shot at starting at the big league level.
Every time Lindor or Dom have a good game this year  
ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 8:48 pm : link
And show signs of coming out of it, they pretty much go right back to sucking.

Gotta believe one of these days either will break out for real.

Both are up to a 90-ish wRC+ after being around 60 a couple of weeks ago.

So I guess that's progress.
Lindor  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2021 8:50 pm : link
has a .954 OPS in June coming into today. How is he sucking? He's not Mike Trout, he's been very good for a decent run now.
RE: Lindor  
ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 8:53 pm : link
In comment 15286429 DanMetroMan said:
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has a .954 OPS in June coming into today. How is he sucking? He's not Mike Trout, he's been very good for a decent run now.


I just said he's up to a 90 wRC+ after being around 60 and that was progress.

You're happy with his season overall?
Since  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2021 8:53 pm : link
the Colorado series (17 games) .277/.338/.508 3 homers, 4 doubles, 1 triple .846 OPS. If he did that all season it would be better than his career OPS (.823)
Fantastic  
jpkmets : 6/14/2021 8:56 pm : link
Work by Peterson
RE: RE: Lindor  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2021 8:56 pm : link
In comment 15286430 ZGiants98 said:
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In comment 15286429 DanMetroMan said:


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has a .954 OPS in June coming into today. How is he sucking? He's not Mike Trout, he's been very good for a decent run now.



I just said he's up to a 90 wRC+ after being around 60 and that was progress.

You're happy with his season overall?


Absolutely not. But unlike Dom, Lindor over the last 15-20 games looks like Francisco Lindor. I don't see why he's being grouped in with Dom. Dom since that same Colorado series

.226/.323/.377, .700 OPS. I'd take the Francisco Lindor we've seen over the last 3+ weeks witth A++ defense any day of the week.
Lindor is also  
jpkmets : 6/14/2021 8:57 pm : link
anchoring the best infield D in 22 years to my eyes and does a lot of good work calming down pitchers. Love the guy and he hasn’t even started to rake yet. So glad we extended him. Dude is talented and a winner.
All that's fine.  
ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 8:58 pm : link
They both have the exact same wRC+ and have both struggled. But thanks for pointing out that Lindor has been good the last two weeks, which is exactly what I also said.

Im not happy with either of Lindor's or Dom's seasons regardless of how they got where they are today.

Im also not worried about either.
Lindor  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2021 8:59 pm : link
has been such a beast defensively that HORRENDOUS start to his career here offensively and all he's still on pace for almost 3 fWAR
All I said is I would like to see either  
ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 9:00 pm : link
go on a real tear. Hitting slightly above your "career average" doesnt quantify as a "tear" for me. It's definitely a positive though, which is what I said.
RE: All that's fine.  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2021 9:02 pm : link
In comment 15286438 ZGiants98 said:
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They both have the exact same wRC+ and have both struggled. But thanks for pointing out that Lindor has been good the last two weeks, which is exactly what I also said.

Im not happy with either of Lindor's or Dom's seasons regardless of how they got where they are today.

Im also not worried about either.


I'm not really looking to argue but you suggested every time either one of them has a few good games they revert. 17 games of .846 OPS and June .954, I don't see the comparison. If Dom reels off an 11 game stretch of a .954 OPS going forward everybody will be going wild about how Dom is back.
.954  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2021 9:04 pm : link
OPS over 10 games isn't a real tear? He's not Tatis Jr. He's a very good offensive player and a great defensive player. I think you're expectations are beyond what is realistic. Normal Lindor is a 5ish win player. 2018 is almost certainly an outlier.
You leave DP in  
Vanzetti : 6/14/2021 9:04 pm : link
Until the tying run is in the on deck circle
By  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2021 9:06 pm : link
wRC+ Francisco Lindor was "only" 7th amongst SS 2016-2020 (117), his June wRC+ is 165
A 2 week sample is too small  
ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 9:07 pm : link
A player can have two great games in a 14 game stretch and OPS over .900.

Means nothing

There have been multiple times Lindor has had a good game or two in April, and May, and followed it up with a week of terrible play again.

All Im saying I would like to see him heat up for real and maintain it.

I believe he will at some point.

Im glad you're thrilled with his June play, but I'd still like to see more before Im convinced he'll keep it going.

Make sense?
RE: By  
ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 9:08 pm : link
In comment 15286448 DanMetroMan said:
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wRC+ Francisco Lindor was "only" 7th amongst SS 2016-2020 (117), his June wRC+ is 165


Yes, 11 games. Thanks.
That's  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2021 9:09 pm : link
not what you said.

"Every time Lindor or Dom have a good game this year
ZGiants98 : 8:48 pm : link : reply
And show signs of coming out of it, they pretty much go right back to sucking."

RE: That's  
ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 9:11 pm : link
In comment 15286451 DanMetroMan said:
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not what you said.

"Every time Lindor or Dom have a good game this year
ZGiants98 : 8:48 pm : link : reply
And show signs of coming out of it, they pretty much go right back to sucking."


Ok, so you took it literally. Got it. I wasn't being literal. Have a good one though. This conversation is pointless.
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DanMetroMan : 6/14/2021 9:11 pm : link
In comment 15286450 ZGiants98 said:
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wRC+ Francisco Lindor was "only" 7th amongst SS 2016-2020 (117), his June wRC+ is 165



Yes, 11 games. Thanks.


And an .843 OPS over his last 17. A 17 game stretch by any player isn't enough to accept they are hittting well vs. "a good game"? Again, your expectations are clearly beyond the reality of the player he is. He's an elite defensive SS who will give you an .830-.850 OPS most seasons. Brandon Nimmo has a career .840 OPS, Conforto .835. What makes him special is a sum of parts.
Does  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2021 9:12 pm : link
anybody else on here not agree that Lindor is clearly out of his early-season slump over the past 20ish games and that Dom on the other hand prior to today was clearly struggling?
Drury figured out the  
jpkmets : 6/14/2021 9:12 pm : link
curveball nicely.
RE: Does  
jpkmets : 6/14/2021 9:15 pm : link
In comment 15286454 DanMetroMan said:
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anybody else on here not agree that Lindor is clearly out of his early-season slump over the past 20ish games and that Dom on the other hand prior to today was clearly struggling?


Agree with this. Lindor wobbled before the weekend, slightly, but his ABs weren’t bad. Dom looked out of whack until tonight. Nice to see Dom and Peterson working through things.
RE: Does  
ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 9:16 pm : link
In comment 15286454 DanMetroMan said:
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anybody else on here not agree that Lindor is clearly out of his early-season slump over the past 20ish games and that Dom on the other hand prior to today was clearly struggling?


Baseball is a game of streaks. Every hitter goes hot and cold. Lindor and Dom have both been unacceptable offensively this year up until today. Both are at exactly 90 wRC+. Like I said, Im glad your convinced Lindor's last 11 games means he'll be great the rest of the year. I believe that's also possible. I just need to see more. And I'd also like to see him tear off a really hot week or two once in a while. I dont believe that's happened yet. The guy has hit 38 HR in a season. Let's see him rip off 5 HR over 10 games or something like that...
I  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2021 9:17 pm : link
suspect Drury's time here is coming to an end. McNeil and Almora (though Almora does have an option). I've been pleasantly surprised with Mason Williams so far, hard to see how Drury would stick. Very curious to see what comes out from Nimmo's BP. So far, nothing either way. If he's feeling good you'd think he's pretty close, if he's not then I doubt he's back at any time soon.
Today meaning  
ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 9:18 pm : link
"up until now"
I believe Drury and Mason Williams are gonners  
ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 9:19 pm : link
McKinney is staying though. So when the OF is back to full strength, Almora will have to go to AAA.

Another  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2021 9:20 pm : link
decision will be Betances. He can stay rehabbing for 30 days but then he either needs to be added back to the 40 man or DFA'ed. I'd hate to see a better player removed from the 40 man if Betances isn't looking much better than he has.
I  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2021 9:22 pm : link
never believe this team will actually be healthy but in a hypothetical situation where they were


Nimmo, Dom, Conforto, Pillar are obviously on the big club, McKinney for now looks like he has a solid spot so that's already 5 OF's. Almora has to be on the outside looking in at that point. Both Villar and Peraza also have OF experience.
RE: I  
ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 9:23 pm : link
In comment 15286467 DanMetroMan said:
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never believe this team will actually be healthy but in a hypothetical situation where they were


Nimmo, Dom, Conforto, Pillar are obviously on the big club, McKinney for now looks like he has a solid spot so that's already 5 OF's. Almora has to be on the outside looking in at that point. Both Villar and Peraza also have OF experience.


Yup and Peraza will stay until Davis comes back, if he ever does.
RE: Another  
ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 9:24 pm : link
In comment 15286465 DanMetroMan said:
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decision will be Betances. He can stay rehabbing for 30 days but then he either needs to be added back to the 40 man or DFA'ed. I'd hate to see a better player removed from the 40 man if Betances isn't looking much better than he has.


Betances is going to have to prove he can throw 96/97+ in the minors before he can be activated IMO. Really hope they dont bring him back "just because". Would be a complete waste of time.
RE: RE: Another  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2021 9:27 pm : link
In comment 15286469 ZGiants98 said:
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decision will be Betances. He can stay rehabbing for 30 days but then he either needs to be added back to the 40 man or DFA'ed. I'd hate to see a better player removed from the 40 man if Betances isn't looking much better than he has.



Betances is going to have to prove he can throw 96/97+ in the minors before he can be activated IMO. Really hope they dont bring him back "just because". Would be a complete waste of time.


91-94 first time out, I want to be fair because I "defended" Ginn's velocity to some on twitter but Betances doesn't have the command to be successful at 91-94 and he's likely too old to figure it out now. I hope in addition to a SP which they are on record looking to add they consider a solid depth reliever the way Tyler Clippard used to be floating around the league.
May has been prett6 much a disaster  
jpkmets : 6/14/2021 9:28 pm : link
For the last month or so.
Geezus  
ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 9:28 pm : link
Take May out...
RE: May has been prett6 much a disaster  
spike : 6/14/2021 9:28 pm : link
In comment 15286472 jpkmets said:
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For the last month or so.


might as well DL May. He's lost
RE: RE: RE: Another  
ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 9:29 pm : link
In comment 15286471 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 15286465 DanMetroMan said:


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decision will be Betances. He can stay rehabbing for 30 days but then he either needs to be added back to the 40 man or DFA'ed. I'd hate to see a better player removed from the 40 man if Betances isn't looking much better than he has.



Betances is going to have to prove he can throw 96/97+ in the minors before he can be activated IMO. Really hope they dont bring him back "just because". Would be a complete waste of time.



91-94 first time out, I want to be fair because I "defended" Ginn's velocity to some on twitter but Betances doesn't have the command to be successful at 91-94 and he's likely too old to figure it out now. I hope in addition to a SP which they are on record looking to add they consider a solid depth reliever the way Tyler Clippard used to be floating around the league.


Yeah agreed. And I bet they do.
Earned runs in 4 of last 5  
jpkmets : 6/14/2021 9:29 pm : link
And six of last nine for May. He needs to figure this out.
I know you want to make sure Peterson gets out of the game  
ZGiants98 : 6/14/2021 9:31 pm : link
feeling good about himself... But man... Only 70 pitches and we really need innings over this next stretch...
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