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NFC/AFC playoff games? Same conference Super Bowl?

Route 9 : 6/14/2021 9:54 pm
Watching the hockey playoffs and just realized Montreal is East and Vegas is West. Of course Canada Covid blah blah. Carolina played Nashville as well earlier on.

Would it really matter to you if they ditched the conference rule for football playoffs... hypothetically? I don't know I was beginning to think, what difference does it make? Giants vs Pats in the wild card round or Giants vs Jets, Eagles/Steelers would be a lot more interesting than Giants vs the Carolina Panthers or vs Detroit.

Imagine a Giants/Cowboys Super Bowl? How much more intense would that be?

You can still play your division foes 2 times but I wouldn't mind seeing something different.
The NFC/AFC split is pretty arbitrary nowadays.  
81_Great_Dane : 6/14/2021 10:05 pm : link
It's not meaningful to fans, really. How would everyone feel about playoffs with 12 teams seeded 1-12, with 1-4 getting a first-round bye. OK with me.
I just wish they’d bring back the distinct SB logos  
Big Blue '56 : 6/15/2021 6:57 am : link
instead of the present ones which make it difficult to immediately identify what teams competed..Has never made one iota of sense why they changed.

As to the OP, i don’t care  
Big Blue '56 : 6/15/2021 7:01 am : link
how it lines up. The “hate” for the AFC (AFL) has long since dissipated save for the Jets..I’m fine with almost any format.
If you want to make a major change  
Mike in Boston : 6/15/2021 7:15 am : link
How about a playoff with all the teams with a minimum record (say, 11-7). No more teams in strong divisions missing the playoffs while teams with worse records in weaker Division get in. (Of course, we might have missed the 2007 playoffs under that scheme, butt...)
If you want to make a major change  
Mike in Boston : 6/15/2021 7:15 am : link
How about a playoff with all the teams with a minimum record (say, 11-6 or 10-7). No more teams in strong divisions missing the playoffs while teams with worse records in weaker Division get in. (Of course, we might have missed the 2007 playoffs under that scheme, butt...)
I don't know  
mpinmaine : 6/15/2021 7:39 am : link
winner of each conference plays in the SB...I'd vote to leave it as is
RE: If you want to make a major change  
Route 9 : 6/15/2021 8:15 am : link
In comment 15286546 Mike in Boston said:
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How about a playoff with all the teams with a minimum record (say, 11-6 or 10-7). No more teams in strong divisions missing the playoffs while teams with worse records in weaker Division get in. (Of course, we might have missed the 2007 playoffs under that scheme, butt...)


I can't stand 7-9 teams hosting 11-5 teams in the playoffs. You shouldn't deserve a home game in the playoffs if you went below .500 in the regular season. Awful.
RE: I just wish they’d bring back the distinct SB logos  
Jints in Carolina : 6/15/2021 8:23 am : link
In comment 15286539 Big Blue '56 said:
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instead of the present ones which make it difficult to immediately identify what teams competed..Has never made one iota of sense why they changed.


totally agree
RE: I just wish they’d bring back the distinct SB logos  
Giantology : 6/15/2021 8:42 am : link
In comment 15286539 Big Blue '56 said:
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instead of the present ones which make it difficult to immediately identify what teams competed..Has never made one iota of sense why they changed.


Money saved is all. No creatives to pay for their work, just rinse and repeat the same corporate looking crap.
The interesting thing is the NHL pretty much did this in the late 70's  
Stu11 : 6/15/2021 8:42 am : link
Up through 1980. They basically seeded the 16 playoff teams 1-16 and that's how you got an Islanders-Flyers SCF in '80. I don't think it would be that crazy in the NFL seeing as the conferences are not geographically aligned just the divisions are. It would make for some interesting juicy potential playoff matchups.
RE: The interesting thing is the NHL pretty much did this in the late 70's  
Route 9 : 6/15/2021 9:01 am : link
In comment 15286575 Stu11 said:
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Up through 1980. They basically seeded the 16 playoff teams 1-16 and that's how you got an Islanders-Flyers SCF in '80. I don't think it would be that crazy in the NFL seeing as the conferences are not geographically aligned just the divisions are. It would make for some interesting juicy potential playoff matchups.


Yes. I could see Giants vs Steelers being a big playoff matchup as opposed to being unique to playing Arizona, Atlanta or LA Rams in a Non-Super Bowl game.
Just don't mess with the divisions  
NYGgolfer : 6/15/2021 9:20 am : link
It's the best thing going for us right now.
RE: Just don't mess with the divisions  
Route 9 : 6/15/2021 9:28 am : link
In comment 15286589 NYGgolfer said:
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It's the best thing going for us right now.


Divisions stay put and you still play each rival twice a year, but with this suggested idea, it's just you can now play your division rival in the Super Bowl and an AFC team in the WC, Division, conference games.
based off record and division  
MotownGIANTS : 6/15/2021 9:33 am : link
you want to make a make change ... stop the dead money BS ... trade a player trade the contract and the money due with him ... Also get rid of the draft since there is a hard cap.


Rodgers would be traded already and the Packers could get value.
I dunno, its not broke  
Ben in Tampa : 6/15/2021 10:08 am : link
why fix it?
RE: I dunno, its not broke  
Route 9 : 6/15/2021 10:49 am : link
In comment 15286602 Ben in Tampa said:
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why fix it?


Like I said it would increase your chances at seeing a Cowboys/Pats, Steelers/Eagles, Packers/Chiefs, Seahawks/Ravens game during the playoffs.

Be more interesting than being restricted to just playing no spice teams Arizona, Detroit, Atlanta. The option should be available, I guess.
RE: I just wish they’d bring back the distinct SB logos  
Danny Kanell : 6/15/2021 11:33 am : link
In comment 15286539 Big Blue '56 said:
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instead of the present ones which make it difficult to immediately identify what teams competed..Has never made one iota of sense why they changed.


Plus a million!
It would eliminate the Rivalries in the NFL  
Rudy5757 : 6/15/2021 11:43 am : link
I like things the way they are. The division games become less important if everything is based on record. I love having 3 division games when we play them in the playoffs. Your scenario may generate more general interest but I think true fans want to see the rivalries play out.

What if your team plays in the hardest division in the league? You get penalized for playing a harder schedule and teams thats play in a weak division get rewarded because they most likely will have a better record. If you change the league to that format you need to play everyone in the conference 1 time to make it fair.
RE: It would eliminate the Rivalries in the NFL  
Route 9 : 6/15/2021 12:05 pm : link
In comment 15286690 Rudy5757 said:
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What if your team plays in the hardest division in the league? You get penalized for playing a harder schedule and teams thats play in a weak division get rewarded because they most likely will have a better record. If you change the league to that format you need to play everyone in the conference 1 time to make it fair.


I said you could still play your rivals more than anyone else.

Good points. Bad teams are already being rewarded with not only playoff spots, but home games. Ever since the league expanded to more than 3 divisions in each conference almost 20 years ago, you're starting to witness more sub .500 teams finding their way into the playoffs.

In 2014, Carolina had THREE wins going into December and still wound up securing a playoff spot. The playoff format is already precarious, no need to reserve matchups where you can watch Carolina vs Arizona but it is impossible to see Dallas vs Kansas City, just for the lone reason that they're a different conference, which is a silly one.

Hockey did it this year because they had to so it's not as if you're going to cross some sacred line.
I don't like it  
Bramton1 : 6/15/2021 12:50 pm : link
First of all, if you're scrapping conference playoffs, then that is the end of conference championships. I don't like that. I also feel it would be a slippery slope to move to a playoff tournament with division winners and at-large teams selected by committee. Then you put a team's playoff hopes to a subjective process that can be corrupted by non-football interests. How often would a 9-8 Cowboys team get selected over a 10-7 Texans team because the Cowboys are the sexier team?
RE: I don't like it  
Mad Mike : 6/15/2021 12:56 pm : link
In comment 15286726 Bramton1 said:
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I also feel it would be a slippery slope to move to a playoff tournament with division winners and at-large teams selected by committee. Then you put a team's playoff hopes to a subjective process that can be corrupted by non-football interests. How often would a 9-8 Cowboys team get selected over a 10-7 Texans team because the Cowboys are the sexier team?

That seems like an odd objection. Why would selection of playoff teams be done by committee? There are tiebreakers now, why wouldn't there continue to be tiebreakers? It's easy enough to do a playoff bracket that ignores conferences while still selecting playoff teamss in a fair, pre-determined manner.
hate it  
nyfootballfan : 6/15/2021 1:07 pm : link
waters down playoff rivalries that are almost as good as intra-div, sometimes better.
Maybe im a bit of a traditionalist  
bLiTz 2k : 6/15/2021 1:39 pm : link
but id hate this. Conference rivalries are what gave us the Giants/9ers rivalry of the 80s. If it aint broke...
RE: Maybe im a bit of a traditionalist  
Route 9 : 6/15/2021 1:46 pm : link
In comment 15286761 bLiTz 2k said:
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but id hate this. Conference rivalries are what gave us the Giants/9ers rivalry of the 80s. If it aint broke...


Yeah. They played each other twice in the playoffs since 93. 2002 and 2011.

What classic intra-conference playoff rivalry in recent memory am I missing out on here? Brady Manning? I'm sure those two would have found themselves in the playoffs, or even the Super Bowl.
RE: hate it  
Route 9 : 6/15/2021 1:48 pm : link
In comment 15286739 nyfootballfan said:
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waters down playoff rivalries that are almost as good as intra-div, sometimes better.


Watered down...

6 or 7 win teams making it to the playoffs and on top of it, being rewarded with home playoff games to host teams with 4 or 5 more wins than them.

That ring any bells?
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Route 9 : 6/15/2021 1:51 pm : link
Actually yeah. I would've rather seen Brady vs Peyton in the Super Bowl at Miami. But no, we can't have that, the tradition of the Super Bowl must be preserved for Rex Grossman and his spot to shine lol
Haven't..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/15/2021 9:36 pm : link
only 3 teams with 7 or fewer wins made the playoffs in the past 25 years?

Overreacting due to rare events is often what gets leagues in trouble because they start changing things that aren't broken.

If you want a change in the playoff requirements, you have to take the division aspect out of it. Have 16 teams in each conference who play each other one time each. Then seed them by record. But again - why change something that isn't broken?
RE: Haven't..  
bLiTz 2k : 6/16/2021 3:51 am : link
In comment 15287092 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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only 3 teams with 7 or fewer wins made the playoffs in the past 25 years?

Overreacting due to rare events is often what gets leagues in trouble because they start changing things that aren't broken.

If you want a change in the playoff requirements, you have to take the division aspect out of it. Have 16 teams in each conference who play each other one time each. Then seed them by record. But again - why change something that isn't broken?


Shhh. Don't get in the way of a good rant.
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Route 9 : 6/16/2021 9:33 am : link
It was good and they did change it around 2001-2002 when Houston became an expansion team. You never saw a team with a losing record win their own division... because there were less divisions in the league predating 2002. Sounds as if they watered down the playoffs since around that time.

Your top seeded teams were the usual 16-0 to 13-3 teams. 12-4 and 11-5 were your standard wildcard home teams. Then 9-7 made you a road wildcard team and ... maybe ... even 8-8 was the last team at the dance. Rough estimates.

It would be a rant, if hockey wasn't doing the same thing and there wasn't an intra-conference match up scheduled for tonight. I'm not exactly plucking this suggested idea from the sky. As I alluded to beforehand, Nashville and Carolina already played each other in the NHL playoffs this year. It was not really a big foul and the sky didn't fall on everyone.

People are saying the idea watering is down the product and I'm just bringing up the "lousy team" hosts a playoff game to counter that.

Yes we must conserve the original format (that's not even the original format) so we can see the 7-8-1 Carolina Panthers host the 11-5 Arizona Cardinals. The traditional way.

Also ... another note to the 49ers Giants rivalry of the 80s comment, you can still play the 49ers in the playoffs and even with my (better system) you can form new rivalries between you and other top contenders in the AFC. The Giants have only played Dallas once in the entire history of the NFL in the playoffs right?

So what's wrong with bumping into the Steelers or the Patriots and starting a new rivalry with them in the playoffs? Then those once every four years matchups with them during the regular season would be a little bit more interesting if you have a have a history of brushing up with them in the playoffs.

I'm still not convinced and would rather have a chance to see Pittsburgh New England or Denver in the playoffs rather than only having potential opponents such as Detroit Minnesota Arizona Carolina Atlanta and all those boring teams.

Oh and now it's 7 teams for each side? Yeah. Sounds watered down to me.

Consequentially, my idea is sexier
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