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NFT: Mets Minors 6/15/2021

DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 10:15 am
Syracuse TBD
Bing TBD
BK Lasko
St. Lucie TBD


Hopefully, Mauricio gets going soon. Under the radar he's been really struggling.

Noted yesterday but Fangraphs reporting the Mets have displayed heavy interest in Matt McLain at 10
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RE: What do you guys  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 2:09 pm : link
In comment 15286780 pjcas18 said:
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think happens with Marcel Ozuna?

He's injured, but when he recovers do you think he plays this year?

not going to lie, I'm asking for fantasy baseball and I want to release him between the injury and the domestic violence charge not sure he plays again this year.

Anyone?


Multiple pieces I've read have said the Braves have no recourse to get out of his contract. That being said he's likely not going to play this season and I'm sure a buyout is possible.
RE: RE: I'd  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 2:12 pm : link
In comment 15286781 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 15286778 DanMetroMan said:


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trade Mauricio for less than a CY candidate but the player would have to be a cost-controlled difference-maker. It doesn't matter, either way, nobody is trading a non rental 1-2 SP for a top 50 prospect who is struggling in BK so it's not even worth debating.



with Cohen I think the better value will almost always be trading for non-cost controlled players approaching FA (just as they did with Lindor).

spending money > spending high end prospects


I guess my main point is Mauricio (while a very good prospect) is not currently viewed as an "elite" prospect.... he's not a Rutschman, he's not a Franco etc and he's not having a good statistical season so "high end" SP are going to cost more than guys like that. Scherzer is probably the top name moved and I doubt it's to the Mets. I no way am I dumping on Mauricio, he has big upside but teams aren't giving up high end SP for Mauricio types unless/until they are putting up numbers.
I  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 2:16 pm : link
have zero doubt they add a SP. They have to. Once you hit the deadline there is no more "well they can add for someone", already talking about guys like Nick Tropeano as-is. No clue if Carrasco or Syndergaard make a single start for this team in 2021. I assume they will be looking at Kyle Gibson types.
Marlins really took a lot of criticism for their sell-off  
KDavies : 6/15/2021 2:21 pm : link
but looking real good.

Stanton was addition by subtraction. Devers and Jorge Guzman look interesting.

Ozuna trade was a steal for them. Alcantara and Gallen (Gallen flipped for Jazz Chisholm), as well as Castano and Sierra who are with the ML club.

Yelich trade was the only really bad one. Brinson, Diaz, and Harrison look to have contact issues, and we all know what happened to Yamamoto.

Realmuto fetched them Sanchez, who looks like an ace if he stays healthy. Will Stewart is an interesting lefty. Alfaro is a servicable catcher.
very few top 50 prospects get traded, especially in season  
Eric on Li : 6/15/2021 2:21 pm : link
It's very likely Mauricio is a better prospect than whoever the best prospect is that gets dealt before the deadline even if he isn't having a monster year.
RE: very few top 50 prospects get traded, especially in season  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 2:21 pm : link
In comment 15286799 Eric on Li said:
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It's very likely Mauricio is a better prospect than whoever the best prospect is that gets dealt before the deadline even if he isn't having a monster year.


"Monster"? Have you seen his numbers?
Ronny Mauricio  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 2:23 pm : link
is hitting .225/.268/.442 with 43 k's vs. 7 walks over 120 ab's, he also has 8 errors (26 games played).
RE: RE: very few top 50 prospects get traded, especially in season  
Eric on Li : 6/15/2021 2:23 pm : link
In comment 15286800 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 15286799 Eric on Li said:


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It's very likely Mauricio is a better prospect than whoever the best prospect is that gets dealt before the deadline even if he isn't having a monster year.



"Monster"? Have you seen his numbers?


what part of "isn't having" was unclear?
RE: very few top 50 prospects get traded, especially in season  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 2:25 pm : link
In comment 15286799 Eric on Li said:
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It's very likely Mauricio is a better prospect than whoever the best prospect is that gets dealt before the deadline even if he isn't having a monster year.


And if we are talking 1-2 starter, I can guarantee a prospect more highly regarded is moved. You're not landing Shane Bieber for "less than" Ronny Mauricio Ronny Mauricio as a headliner or 2.5 seasons of Jose Berrios for "less than" Ronny Mauricio as a headliner.
You  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 2:28 pm : link
don't think there is a bit of a gap between "monster" season and a statline that is pretty awful to this point? 34% K rate. He looked great this spring, to suggest his line is anything less than disappointing would be disingenuous.
Now  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 2:32 pm : link
that it's less likely Mauricio is a SS going forward (forget Lindor, he's 6'3-6'4 200ish pounds) he's going to have to really hit, and he very well might do that but the K/BB is troubling.
.  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 2:36 pm : link
Adley Rutschman is an absolute monster. OPS up to .999, 28/28 BB/K. He'd easily be the #1 pick in this draft if he were involved. Terrible owner holds back some optimism but things are looking up in Baltimore.
Mullins  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 2:40 pm : link
is becoming a star, Means is a good #2, their farm is suddenly quite good at the top, Mancini (I assume they cash him in via trade) Hays looks like a solid 4th OF type on a good team, probably land a good prospect for Paul Fry at the deadline (maybe even from the Mets).
Scherzer  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 2:43 pm : link
to the IL (groin). Nats are going to stink for a while. They have Soto but have to wonder if he ends up being in a Trout situation.
.  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 3:05 pm : link
Add the Rays to the list of teams likely in the market for SP with Glasnow down likely for an extended period
RE: RE: What do you guys  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2021 3:11 pm : link
In comment 15286785 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 15286780 pjcas18 said:


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think happens with Marcel Ozuna?

He's injured, but when he recovers do you think he plays this year?

not going to lie, I'm asking for fantasy baseball and I want to release him between the injury and the domestic violence charge not sure he plays again this year.

Anyone?



Multiple pieces I've read have said the Braves have no recourse to get out of his contract. That being said he's likely not going to play this season and I'm sure a buyout is possible.


Thanks.
Wainwright  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 3:14 pm : link
admits he purchased and used a substance from Bubba Harkins back in 2019.
RE: What do you guys  
allstarjim : 6/15/2021 3:18 pm : link
In comment 15286780 pjcas18 said:
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think happens with Marcel Ozuna?

He's injured, but when he recovers do you think he plays this year?

not going to lie, I'm asking for fantasy baseball and I want to release him between the injury and the domestic violence charge not sure he plays again this year.

Anyone?


He's done. The facts on this one are DAMNING. I believe they said the cops found him actively choking out his wife/girlfriend. It's about as bad as it gets. I don't think he plays again this year, don't think he plays again next year, either.
RE: Mullins  
allstarjim : 6/15/2021 3:25 pm : link
In comment 15286818 DanMetroMan said:
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is becoming a star, Means is a good #2, their farm is suddenly quite good at the top, Mancini (I assume they cash him in via trade) Hays looks like a solid 4th OF type on a good team, probably land a good prospect for Paul Fry at the deadline (maybe even from the Mets).


#1 catching prospect in baseball, Adley Rutschman, has a .999 OPS in AA ball this year, 10 homers in just 126 ABs. 28 Ks, 28 BBs in 159 appearances for the exact 1-1 strikeout-to-walk ratio. Batting .294. Probably promoted to AAA soon and I wonder if they keep him there until after the Super 2 deadline next year...if we have such a thing as the CBA is getting re-worked, right?

which catcher  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2021 3:26 pm : link
do you prefer (for 2021/2022 so no Alvarez)

Cal Raleigh (SEA)
Joey Bart (SF)
Keibert Ruiz (LAD)

I think Raleigh gets called up soon, and he and Bart are having good seasons.

I like Ruiz too, but I think he's blocked by the depth chart.

who do you like the most to make the soonest MLB impact?
RE: Scherzer  
Rory : 6/15/2021 3:31 pm : link
In comment 15286821 DanMetroMan said:
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to the IL (groin). Nats are going to stink for a while. They have Soto but have to wonder if he ends up being in a Trout situation.


Trea Turner as well.
Yeah  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 3:34 pm : link
well the Angels also have Ohtani now, they have Rendon, just overall the Nats aren't a talented team and their farm system isn't good. Hard to see how they are particularly good for a while.

Bell sucks, Harrison is turning 34, Castro is turning 32 etc etc.
Sorry Dan  
allstarjim : 6/15/2021 3:34 pm : link
Just saw you posted already about Rutschman.

BTW, you really do grasp on trivial details in others' posts sometimes. Just letting you know. I like your contributions to this forum, but you may not be aware that it comes across as really overly and unnecessarily argumentative a lot of the time, not the best look. Just letting you know in case you didn't, do with it what you will.
Raleigh  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 3:38 pm : link
is the "worst" of the 3 but also on the team most likely to give him extensive PT. Barring injury to Posey, Bart doesn't have much of a path to playing this season (and his walk rate is still a concern). Unless Smith gets hurt I can't imagine Ruiz seeing much PT either, they love using Barnes.
RE: Sorry Dan  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 3:41 pm : link
In comment 15286864 allstarjim said:
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Just saw you posted already about Rutschman.

BTW, you really do grasp on trivial details in others' posts sometimes. Just letting you know. I like your contributions to this forum, but you may not be aware that it comes across as really overly and unnecessarily argumentative a lot of the time, not the best look. Just letting you know in case you didn't, do with it what you will.


Not looking to go on and on about this but I personally didn't think " not having monster season" was close enough to how "poor" Mauricio's season has been for it to be accurate. He hasn't been mediocre, he's struggled. "Monster" season (to me at least) is a breakout big statistical season, I think there is a pretty substantial gap between that and what Mauricio is doing and I think it's noteworthy when discussing trade value. I have a very hard to believing teams are looking at Mauricio's stat line and thinking "he's having a good season" so I'm not judging him unfairly.
PJ  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 3:45 pm : link
if your league is a keeper league I'm not even sure the Giants and Posey part ways after 2021 (why would they given how good he looks?). I find it hard to believe a team lets a future HOFer, team legend leave because they have Joey Bart (I fully admit I'm not as high on Bart as some). I think he'll hit for power and a low average and good defense behind the plate. I wouldn't trade Alvarez for Bart, I'd trade him for Rutschman.
Looks  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 3:50 pm : link
like Leiter is in fact trying to push his way to the Red Sox. His dad said he's considering going back to school, yeah okay.
Mills  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 3:51 pm : link
has been awful... so.... 1 hitter? lol


Anthony DiComo
@AnthonyDiComo
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1m
Mets Game 59 of 162, vs. CHC
Tuesday, June 15, 7:10 p.m.
RHP Alec Mills (2-0, 6.08)

Villar 3B
Lindor SS
D. Smith LF
Alonso 1B
McKinney RF
McCann C
Pillar CF
Guillorme 2B
Walker RHP (5-2, 2.07)
RE: PJ  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2021 3:53 pm : link
In comment 15286870 DanMetroMan said:
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if your league is a keeper league I'm not even sure the Giants and Posey part ways after 2021 (why would they given how good he looks?). I find it hard to believe a team lets a future HOFer, team legend leave because they have Joey Bart (I fully admit I'm not as high on Bart as some). I think he'll hit for power and a low average and good defense behind the plate. I wouldn't trade Alvarez for Bart, I'd trade him for Rutschman.


Yeah, it's a keeper league and my teams is terrible between taking over a deserted team and injuries, suspensions, etc. I'm looking at next year. Trying to find good keeper options who may currently be in the minors but figure to be in the mix late this season or early next year.

I have a couple guys like CJ Abrams and Hunter Greene I'm holding on to now. - players like that.

I traded Gerrit Cole and tried to get Ke'Bryan Hayes but owner wouldn't do it. So I got a 1st and 2nd round pick instead.

Abrams  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 3:59 pm : link
looks the part of a fantasy superstar, obviously, that's dampened by the fact it's unlikely he's a SS if he remains in SD. I recently traded for Zac Veen but he's been awful. 6'4 200 pounds, yet to homer. Greene has been completely dominant so far this year. Sort of a forgotten name given how high he was drafted. My major league team was completely decimated by injuries so I unloaded a lot of my better players. Our league is somewhat convoluted in terms of the minor league rules but by currently I have

Brujan, Gorman, Abrams, Dominguez (NYY), Celestin, Veen, Elijah Green (2022 draft), Gore, Lacy, Meyer, Grayson Rodriguez
RE: RE: Sorry Dan  
allstarjim : 6/15/2021 4:00 pm : link
In comment 15286867 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 15286864 allstarjim said:


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Just saw you posted already about Rutschman.

BTW, you really do grasp on trivial details in others' posts sometimes. Just letting you know. I like your contributions to this forum, but you may not be aware that it comes across as really overly and unnecessarily argumentative a lot of the time, not the best look. Just letting you know in case you didn't, do with it what you will.



Not looking to go on and on about this but I personally didn't think " not having monster season" was close enough to how "poor" Mauricio's season has been for it to be accurate. He hasn't been mediocre, he's struggled. "Monster" season (to me at least) is a breakout big statistical season, I think there is a pretty substantial gap between that and what Mauricio is doing and I think it's noteworthy when discussing trade value. I have a very hard to believing teams are looking at Mauricio's stat line and thinking "he's having a good season" so I'm not judging him unfairly.


I don't disagree with your point, and I don't think Eric does either. But sometimes people don't intend things to be so literal when they say them. It's just something I've noticed. Not just about this one comment. Doesn't make you a bad dude, just maybe if you're a little more aware of it, you may not take things so literal the next time? Up to you, doesn't really bother me either way, just letting you know.
Jim  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 4:03 pm : link
I appreciate the insight. No snark
Madrigal done for the season. White Sox have been "Metsed" by injuries  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 4:06 pm : link
Robert, Jimenez, Madrigal all major injuries

Kopech hurt
RE: Jim  
allstarjim : 6/15/2021 4:06 pm : link
In comment 15286885 DanMetroMan said:
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I appreciate the insight. No snark


Yeah man. LGM. Got our best 3 pitchers to finish the series so why not go for the 4 game sweep?
Probably  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 4:08 pm : link
the last we see of Puig if he can't even hit in Mexico.
RE: Abrams  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2021 4:13 pm : link
In comment 15286882 DanMetroMan said:
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looks the part of a fantasy superstar, obviously, that's dampened by the fact it's unlikely he's a SS if he remains in SD. I recently traded for Zac Veen but he's been awful. 6'4 200 pounds, yet to homer. Greene has been completely dominant so far this year. Sort of a forgotten name given how high he was drafted. My major league team was completely decimated by injuries so I unloaded a lot of my better players. Our league is somewhat convoluted in terms of the minor league rules but by currently I have

Brujan, Gorman, Abrams, Dominguez (NYY), Celestin, Veen, Elijah Green (2022 draft), Gore, Lacy, Meyer, Grayson Rodriguez


Dominguez is probably too far away from the majors for me, we can only keep players 3 years at draft round and I got Abrams in the 24th and Greene in the 23rd - I do realize Abrams is blocked by Tatis, Machado, and maybe even Cronenworth - so not sure how gets called up, but I like him as a prospect.

my major league team on paper was pretty good I thought.

Machado, Grisham, Alonso, Judge, Ozuna, Conforto, Carlson (late round), d'Arnaud (should have known the injury was imminent - and after he was injured i picked up Ramos who got hurt the next day), Happ, Hoerner, Swanson, Davis.

pitchers I had Cole, Taijuan Walker (20th round), Duffy, Diaz, Kimbrel, Sixto Sanchez (WTF happened to him?) and more - but so many injuries in the lineup and the Mets losing so many starts and me having Alonso, Conforto, Diaz, Walker, Davis, - injuries to Grisham, Ozuna (and incident) d'Arnaud, Judge is oft injured, Conforto, - and only 3 IL spots killed me.
I  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 4:19 pm : link
think most people assume that Abrams will eventually move to the OF, that being said Preller is a wild man and if you told me he dealt Abrams in a blockbuster deal it wouldn't surprise me in the least.
pjcas  
KDavies : 6/15/2021 4:20 pm : link
if you are looking at a catcher as a keeper with only 3, unless it's Rutchsman, I'd pass. Alvarez is probably even too far away. But a guy like Bart or Ruiz is not even a consideration for me (different story re picking one up for value this year, or as trade bait). Catchers play too little games between injury and rest.
I  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 4:24 pm : link
think if anything Rutschman is almost dinged because people remember Wieters being touted as an absolute superstar. He's the one C I'd move Alvarez for. Others could be very good but Rutschman is close to ready and special.
Rutschman  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2021 4:38 pm : link
is already on a roster.

Good points on the other catchers.
.  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 4:41 pm : link
Raisel Iglesias has the same problem as Trevor May (HR's) but otherwise his numbers look fine. I'd be monitoring him as a trade target
Biggest  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 4:44 pm : link
issue with C's is even when they aren't dinged (which is often), their days off tend to be true days off. You won't see a team say "day off for Francisco Alvarez) and then have him play 1b. So you're looking at best case about 100 games played. They are already talking up moving Harry Ford off of C in part because of this.
The  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 4:57 pm : link
more I look at Iglesias numbers the more I'd target him. Angels also have Bundy/Heaney/Cishek if the Mets wanted to make a larger trade
SI-  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 4:59 pm : link
As Rojas went on to note, he instructed Jeff McNeil to play some outfield on his rehab assignment with High-A Brooklyn in order to be ready to move around once he returns to the big-league club. As of Tuesday, McNeil's rehab assignment has been moved to Triple-A Syracuse.

The Mets will have a bit of a log jam in the infield upon McNeil's return, and while Rojas said he will still get the bulk of the playing time at second base, guys are going to need to be able to play other positions in order for everyone to receive regular playing time. McNeil is expected to see time in left field once he is activated.
RE: SI-  
moze1021 : 6/15/2021 5:17 pm : link
In comment 15286932 DanMetroMan said:
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As Rojas went on to note, he instructed Jeff McNeil to play some outfield on his rehab assignment with High-A Brooklyn in order to be ready to move around once he returns to the big-league club. As of Tuesday, McNeil's rehab assignment has been moved to Triple-A Syracuse.

The Mets will have a bit of a log jam in the infield upon McNeil's return, and while Rojas said he will still get the bulk of the playing time at second base, guys are going to need to be able to play other positions in order for everyone to receive regular playing time. McNeil is expected to see time in left field once he is activated.


Yeesh.. look I like Villar and all as a gritty player who does the right things..but McNeil when he is right is an All Star bat. I don't like the idea of messing with his playing time.
Interesting  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 5:18 pm : link
Jesse Rogers
@JesseRogersESPN
Tyler Glasnow just went off about the midseason crackdown. He stopped using sunscreen a couple starts ago and felt sore afterwards due to difficulty with grip. Same last night. Says it contributed to his current injury. He’s hopeful to be back at the end of the season.
Cubs  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2021 5:36 pm : link
are calling up Robert Stock to face deGrom, Stock regularly touches 100 so that should be fun.
I don’t know why MLB just can’t put out an acceptable  
bhill410 : 6/15/2021 5:53 pm : link
Substance that lets these dudes control the ball but doesn’t create the obvious recent spin rates. They could have done that prior to the season and this all would be a non issue. We will never know but their decision to deaden the ball seems to have gone too far and no they are freaking out that pitchers are “too good”.
RE: Cubs  
KDavies : 6/15/2021 6:35 pm : link
In comment 15286956 DanMetroMan said:
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are calling up Robert Stock to face deGrom, Stock regularly touches 100 so that should be fun.


I was going to say we’ve figured out the Unsolved Mystery of who faces deGrom, but that’s Robert Stack. Not Stock
Holy deja vu  
jpkmets : 6/15/2021 10:35 pm : link
Just checked Syracuse box for McNeil and saw that Cesar Puello is back in the system.
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