I couldn't find the original thread but I figured since I started a thread on my job search a few weeks ago I'll update BBI. I got an offer yesterday. It's been a tough stretch from August of last year. If I were to estimate I had around 35 interviews, give or take a few. I also had 15 interviews at the end in a 2.5 week period, culminating in 4 on Friday. I might still interview with another company today that seemed like they might give me an offer but I have a feeling they won't be able to match the comp. But I'm waiting to see what happens there before I accept the offer.
Congrats.
I have been doing a random interview here and there, I worked seasonal during tax season and May consider seasonal again( August thru October 15) tax season
Don’t want to work full time anymore, honestly I barely want to work at all
May stay with my own small group of clients working remote
What I do realize is a 57 I can’t retire.
The numbers actually work that I can, but mentally I am not ready to hang it up on career
I don’t have enough hobbies, love to workout everyday and stuff, but with wife working hard 9 more yrs I can’t just hang it up. Plus no matter how much we have saved, shit happens, inflation happens, we want more traveling etc. so feel the need to earn for awhile before we go to master planned community to take over in pickle ball.
It just seems insane how much he disparity is based on a stupid diploma and experience. I mean, I do have an awesome interview game (unique experiences like a sole proprietorship in my teams, competitive gaming pioneer (team-based FPS), and the cancer survival story), so they never even get to behavioral or technical interview questions.
Unfortunately, I went with a firm that had a last-in, first-out policy and was laid off in March due to lack of assignments (existing client were slow to provide documentation required to proceed, and more than a few clients I was to work on fell through).
But fortunately, this experience solidified never to interview for pubic auditing again. I can get a position tomorrow with 99% confidence as an auditor with good compensation just due to so many connections and their counter-offer from internal recruiting in December with the partner pre-approving a salary bump if I came back to them. But, it's not worth dreading work each morning.
Just trying to share experiences as I begin looking for a new position again.
All the best buddy!
(PS: sorry if this came off a bit cocky, but facts are facts, and sugar coating anything won't help others searching for a job and looking at career shifts. Professional services are just always in high demand, and the pandemic didn't kill any firms I'm aware of, some just lost clients/revenue while others even gained).
It’s like a martyr syndrome in public tax. Whoever stays the latest the hero
25 yrs of dealing with that garbage, I am just done
It’s easy to find jobs. For me it’s just hard to do it long term with enthusiasm
Hence seasonal, including some remote tax work
Want to keep somewhat sharp but don’t want to be in the weeds anymore
Thanks for sharing your experience.
It just seems insane how much he disparity is based on a stupid diploma and experience. I mean, I do have an awesome interview game (unique experiences like a sole proprietorship in my teams, competitive gaming pioneer (team-based FPS), and the cancer survival story), so they never even get to behavioral or technical interview questions.
Unfortunately, I went with a firm that had a last-in, first-out policy and was laid off in March due to lack of assignments (existing client were slow to provide documentation required to proceed, and more than a few clients I was to work on fell through).
But fortunately, this experience solidified never to interview for pubic auditing again. I can get a position tomorrow with 99% confidence as an auditor with good compensation just due to so many connections and their counter-offer from internal recruiting in December with the partner pre-approving a salary bump if I came back to them. But, it's not worth dreading work each morning.
Just trying to share experiences as I begin looking for a new position again.
All the best buddy!
(PS: sorry if this came off a bit cocky, but facts are facts, and sugar coating anything won't help others searching for a job and looking at career shifts. Professional services are just always in high demand, and the pandemic didn't kill any firms I'm aware of, some just lost clients/revenue while others even gained).
Corporate Finance, Financial Planning & Analysis.
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I'm curious because I had a 3 year-weak gap from 2017 as an accountant/auditor, and once I got two recruiters working for me, I had four interviews in four days in mid-December, with four offers.
It just seems insane how much he disparity is based on a stupid diploma and experience. I mean, I do have an awesome interview game (unique experiences like a sole proprietorship in my teams, competitive gaming pioneer (team-based FPS), and the cancer survival story), so they never even get to behavioral or technical interview questions.
Unfortunately, I went with a firm that had a last-in, first-out policy and was laid off in March due to lack of assignments (existing client were slow to provide documentation required to proceed, and more than a few clients I was to work on fell through).
But fortunately, this experience solidified never to interview for pubic auditing again. I can get a position tomorrow with 99% confidence as an auditor with good compensation just due to so many connections and their counter-offer from internal recruiting in December with the partner pre-approving a salary bump if I came back to them. But, it's not worth dreading work each morning.
Just trying to share experiences as I begin looking for a new position again.
All the best buddy!
(PS: sorry if this came off a bit cocky, but facts are facts, and sugar coating anything won't help others searching for a job and looking at career shifts. Professional services are just always in high demand, and the pandemic didn't kill any firms I'm aware of, some just lost clients/revenue while others even gained).
Corporate Finance, Financial Planning & Analysis.
Those are within the realm of jobs I'd be looking at. Do we mind if we dig a little deeper? Did you keep it to local positions or relocation out of state? Are you mid to upper management with say, 10, 15, 20 years prior experience? I have 12 years of combined experience in paid "business" positions, but only 5 years in standard public accounting.
I'll try to be using recruiters and open to relocation nearly anywhere, and transition to finance, general accounting/finance hybrid roles/perhaps the controller of a smallish 50-100 person private company. It has to be a variable unfavorable to your particular situation, or I'm reading the job market incorrectly and recruiters are spamming me instead of actual interest.
Thank you dude!
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I'm curious because I had a 3 year-weak gap from 2017 as an accountant/auditor, and once I got two recruiters working for me, I had four interviews in four days in mid-December, with four offers.
It just seems insane how much he disparity is based on a stupid diploma and experience. I mean, I do have an awesome interview game (unique experiences like a sole proprietorship in my teams, competitive gaming pioneer (team-based FPS), and the cancer survival story), so they never even get to behavioral or technical interview questions.
Unfortunately, I went with a firm that had a last-in, first-out policy and was laid off in March due to lack of assignments (existing client were slow to provide documentation required to proceed, and more than a few clients I was to work on fell through).
But fortunately, this experience solidified never to interview for pubic auditing again. I can get a position tomorrow with 99% confidence as an auditor with good compensation just due to so many connections and their counter-offer from internal recruiting in December with the partner pre-approving a salary bump if I came back to them. But, it's not worth dreading work each morning.
Just trying to share experiences as I begin looking for a new position again.
All the best buddy!
(PS: sorry if this came off a bit cocky, but facts are facts, and sugar coating anything won't help others searching for a job and looking at career shifts. Professional services are just always in high demand, and the pandemic didn't kill any firms I'm aware of, some just lost clients/revenue while others even gained).
Corporate Finance, Financial Planning & Analysis.
Those are within the realm of jobs I'd be looking at. Do we mind if we dig a little deeper? Did you keep it to local positions or relocation out of state? Are you mid to upper management with say, 10, 15, 20 years prior experience? I have 12 years of combined experience in paid "business" positions, but only 5 years in standard public accounting.
I'll try to be using recruiters and open to relocation nearly anywhere, and transition to finance, general accounting/finance hybrid roles/perhaps the controller of a smallish 50-100 person private company. It has to be a variable unfavorable to your particular situation, or I'm reading the job market incorrectly and recruiters are spamming me instead of actual interest.
Thank you dude!
I have about 10 years of experience at this point but most of it is not in FP&A or any kind of finance. I only really have a little less than 2.5 years of FP&A experience and started applying when I had a little over 1.5 years of experience. With my MBA (top 20) I probably could have tried for more manager roles BUT my experience is that the MBA doesn't have as much weight as you'd think. I tried to get product marketing manager roles after having an MBA internship plus a few months part time as a PMM, but I got like one interview and the feedback that I got after emailing people about the role was that I didn't have the experience. So I figured I'd try for analyst and senior analyst roles and look for manager roles next time I do a job search. Then again, one of these two companies the hiring manager was really impressed with my education and that was part of the reason he's interested. In fact he was questioning why I took such a junior role (it seems not any less junior than any senior financial analyst FP&A role).
I kept it in the NYC area or remote, I recently bought and apartment so I want to stay in this area. There are a lot of 100% remotes now is what I noticed so you should be good anywhere.
Thank you!
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I'm curious because I had a 3 year-weak gap from 2017 as an accountant/auditor, and once I got two recruiters working for me, I had four interviews in four days in mid-December, with four offers.
It just seems insane how much he disparity is based on a stupid diploma and experience. I mean, I do have an awesome interview game (unique experiences like a sole proprietorship in my teams, competitive gaming pioneer (team-based FPS), and the cancer survival story), so they never even get to behavioral or technical interview questions.
Unfortunately, I went with a firm that had a last-in, first-out policy and was laid off in March due to lack of assignments (existing client were slow to provide documentation required to proceed, and more than a few clients I was to work on fell through).
But fortunately, this experience solidified never to interview for pubic auditing again. I can get a position tomorrow with 99% confidence as an auditor with good compensation just due to so many connections and their counter-offer from internal recruiting in December with the partner pre-approving a salary bump if I came back to them. But, it's not worth dreading work each morning.
Just trying to share experiences as I begin looking for a new position again.
All the best buddy!
(PS: sorry if this came off a bit cocky, but facts are facts, and sugar coating anything won't help others searching for a job and looking at career shifts. Professional services are just always in high demand, and the pandemic didn't kill any firms I'm aware of, some just lost clients/revenue while others even gained).
Corporate Finance, Financial Planning & Analysis.
Those are within the realm of jobs I'd be looking at. Do we mind if we dig a little deeper? Did you keep it to local positions or relocation out of state? Are you mid to upper management with say, 10, 15, 20 years prior experience? I have 12 years of combined experience in paid "business" positions, but only 5 years in standard public accounting.
I'll try to be using recruiters and open to relocation nearly anywhere, and transition to finance, general accounting/finance hybrid roles/perhaps the controller of a smallish 50-100 person private company. It has to be a variable unfavorable to your particular situation, or I'm reading the job market incorrectly and recruiters are spamming me instead of actual interest.
Thank you dude!
I have about 10 years of experience at this point but most of it is not in FP&A or any kind of finance. I only really have a little less than 2.5 years of FP&A experience and started applying when I had a little over 1.5 years of experience. With my MBA (top 20) I probably could have tried for more manager roles BUT my experience is that the MBA doesn't have as much weight as you'd think. I tried to get product marketing manager roles after having an MBA internship plus a few months part time as a PMM, but I got like one interview and the feedback that I got after emailing people about the role was that I didn't have the experience. So I figured I'd try for analyst and senior analyst roles and look for manager roles next time I do a job search. Then again, one of these two companies the hiring manager was really impressed with my education and that was part of the reason he's interested. In fact he was questioning why I took such a junior role (it seems not any less junior than any senior financial analyst FP&A role).
I kept it in the NYC area or remote, I recently bought and apartment so I want to stay in this area. There are a lot of 100% remotes now is what I noticed so you should be good anywhere.
Thank you for sharing sir. My five-year plan involves suring up my finances and retirement by living relatively frugally (except for an F1 race each year, a bonus of living in Austin). This goes back to getting out of NY and NJ due to cost of living.
Then, after about five years of hard work progressing nicely and saving, I plan to go for top 20/15/10 MBA school. I think I'd excel in case study academics, focus on networking, and then post MBA (perhaps with a concentration in finance), look to make a big shift to the automotive industry and try to worm my way into a Formula 1 team by working with at their parent companies first.
As far as business, problem solving with complex variables is pretty fun to me. Combine that with my largest passion outside of work with Formula 1, all while living in Europe, and I think I'd be set until retirement.
I hope for my sake my search is easier merely based on expanding my horizons on location. Remote work is surely widespread and a partial schedule is likely to be maintained forever at this point, but I think certain industries, such as business consulting, M&A, etc. will require that in-person approach more so than other particular industries. In a Formula 1 team as an example, they're fully back into their offices as the coordination between departments and sheet amount of work is quite amazing.
Again, all the best to you and congratulations.
a) I was sick for close to half of that time. 6 various surgeries. I am healthy now, but lost a lot of time and opportunities.
b) I'm 73
c) As much as I would love to take the ideas in my brain and turn them into policy and research, it has become damned hard to concentrate. Part of the problem there is that too much is going on to keep it all in a unified whole.
d) For some reason, I do much better writing about politics. I will not say where. I guess politics gets the adrenaline flowing, so I can keep going much longer and faster.
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I'm curious because I had a 3 year-weak gap from 2017 as an accountant/auditor, and once I got two recruiters working for me, I had four interviews in four days in mid-December, with four offers.
It just seems insane how much he disparity is based on a stupid diploma and experience. I mean, I do have an awesome interview game (unique experiences like a sole proprietorship in my teams, competitive gaming pioneer (team-based FPS), and the cancer survival story), so they never even get to behavioral or technical interview questions.
Unfortunately, I went with a firm that had a last-in, first-out policy and was laid off in March due to lack of assignments (existing client were slow to provide documentation required to proceed, and more than a few clients I was to work on fell through).
But fortunately, this experience solidified never to interview for pubic auditing again. I can get a position tomorrow with 99% confidence as an auditor with good compensation just due to so many connections and their counter-offer from internal recruiting in December with the partner pre-approving a salary bump if I came back to them. But, it's not worth dreading work each morning.
Just trying to share experiences as I begin looking for a new position again.
All the best buddy!
(PS: sorry if this came off a bit cocky, but facts are facts, and sugar coating anything won't help others searching for a job and looking at career shifts. Professional services are just always in high demand, and the pandemic didn't kill any firms I'm aware of, some just lost clients/revenue while others even gained).
Corporate Finance, Financial Planning & Analysis.
Those are within the realm of jobs I'd be looking at. Do we mind if we dig a little deeper? Did you keep it to local positions or relocation out of state? Are you mid to upper management with say, 10, 15, 20 years prior experience? I have 12 years of combined experience in paid "business" positions, but only 5 years in standard public accounting.
I'll try to be using recruiters and open to relocation nearly anywhere, and transition to finance, general accounting/finance hybrid roles/perhaps the controller of a smallish 50-100 person private company. It has to be a variable unfavorable to your particular situation, or I'm reading the job market incorrectly and recruiters are spamming me instead of actual interest.
Thank you dude!
I have about 10 years of experience at this point but most of it is not in FP&A or any kind of finance. I only really have a little less than 2.5 years of FP&A experience and started applying when I had a little over 1.5 years of experience. With my MBA (top 20) I probably could have tried for more manager roles BUT my experience is that the MBA doesn't have as much weight as you'd think. I tried to get product marketing manager roles after having an MBA internship plus a few months part time as a PMM, but I got like one interview and the feedback that I got after emailing people about the role was that I didn't have the experience. So I figured I'd try for analyst and senior analyst roles and look for manager roles next time I do a job search. Then again, one of these two companies the hiring manager was really impressed with my education and that was part of the reason he's interested. In fact he was questioning why I took such a junior role (it seems not any less junior than any senior financial analyst FP&A role).
I kept it in the NYC area or remote, I recently bought and apartment so I want to stay in this area. There are a lot of 100% remotes now is what I noticed so you should be good anywhere.
Thank you for sharing sir. My five-year plan involves suring up my finances and retirement by living relatively frugally (except for an F1 race each year, a bonus of living in Austin). This goes back to getting out of NY and NJ due to cost of living.
Then, after about five years of hard work progressing nicely and saving, I plan to go for top 20/15/10 MBA school. I think I'd excel in case study academics, focus on networking, and then post MBA (perhaps with a concentration in finance), look to make a big shift to the automotive industry and try to worm my way into a Formula 1 team by working with at their parent companies first.
As far as business, problem solving with complex variables is pretty fun to me. Combine that with my largest passion outside of work with Formula 1, all while living in Europe, and I think I'd be set until retirement.
I hope for my sake my search is easier merely based on expanding my horizons on location. Remote work is surely widespread and a partial schedule is likely to be maintained forever at this point, but I think certain industries, such as business consulting, M&A, etc. will require that in-person approach more so than other particular industries. In a Formula 1 team as an example, they're fully back into their offices as the coordination between departments and sheet amount of work is quite amazing.
Again, all the best to you and congratulations.
Thanks man. If you don't mind me asking, how old are you? After a certain age I think an executive MBA is more appropriate. However, I don't think an executive MBA is as valued or as rigorous so that's an issue.
Good luck man. I read recently that recent law school grads that go to top law schools can make 200k. I don't know if that's where you're applying but sounds like it would be worth the weight when you get the offer.
Thank you! I was fortunate enough to not be out of work actually and the pandemic made interviewing much easier. So I was fortunate the process wasn't as painful as it could be. But I'm about to have my expenses go up quite a bit with a mortgage so I needed more money. I'm woefully underpaid at my current role.
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Things have picked up a bit, but still no dice. Hoping something comes of it soon!
Good luck man. I read recently that recent law school grads that go to top law schools can make 200k. I don't know if that's where you're applying but sounds like it would be worth the weight when you get the offer.
That's if you go to one of the top-20 schools, which I didn't go to
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Things have picked up a bit, but still no dice. Hoping something comes of it soon!
Good luck man. I read recently that recent law school grads that go to top law schools can make 200k. I don't know if that's where you're applying but sounds like it would be worth the weight when you get the offer.
That's if you go to one of the top-20 schools, which I didn't go to
Top 20 schools are what you make of them. I went to one and will 5 years down the line finally have a role that I'm interested in AND pays decent. I still make probably will make 50k less than my average classmate 5 years out.
That’s great to hear, BestFeature. Excited for you and best of luck with the decision. When it rains it pours!
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That’s great to hear, BestFeature. Excited for you and best of luck with the decision. When it rains it pours!
Thank you, I made the choice. I didn't want to have this hanging over my head when I went to sleep. Now tomorrow I have to send my rejection email (for once I'm the one sending it) to the other company.
Thanks man. If you don't mind me asking, how old are you? After a certain age I think an executive MBA is more appropriate. However, I don't think an executive MBA is as valued or as rigorous so that's an issue.
36 at the moment. I'm not inclined towards an executive MBA, and I believe I'd lose interest added onto an intensive job. From what I hear, say the top 5-10 schools are full-time jobs and more of study, 5-6 days per week for two years. If I'm fortunate enough to get in and pay the big bucks for that degree, I'll want to do it organically.
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Thanks man. If you don't mind me asking, how old are you? After a certain age I think an executive MBA is more appropriate. However, I don't think an executive MBA is as valued or as rigorous so that's an issue.
36 at the moment. I'm not inclined towards an executive MBA, and I believe I'd lose interest added onto an intensive job. From what I hear, say the top 5-10 schools are full-time jobs and more of study, 5-6 days per week for two years. If I'm fortunate enough to get in and pay the big bucks for that degree, I'll want to do it organically.
So, I think it would make sense to apply to business school now if you're 36, rather than wait 5 years. 36 is already on the older end but there were people that age, maybe even a bit older. But in my program no one was in their 40s. Which doesn't mean it never happens. But the average age is usually around 28.