With all the recent news surrounding UFO sightings (on radar by military aircraft, ships, pilot visuals) not to mention statements by high level government officials around the world, as well as astronauts, I cannot believe the relative lack of attention this is getting in the media. The implications of these events are potentially world changing.
Needless to say, I am fascinated and exited about the possibilities. So what are these vehicles? My list of possibilities are the following; would love to hear anyone else's ideas on this.....
(1) Hoax perpetrated on government/military
(2) Hoax perpetrated by U.S. Govt.
(3) U.S. technology.
(4) Foreign Govt. technology.
(5) Private Industry technology.
(6) Alien technology.
What else could it be?
And nobody cares.
If it's not us, I suspect it's not from our planet. And...the argument against it being us is these UAPs have not avoided other U.S. military assets that have been conducting exercises and/or operations. That seems like something military and intelligence leaders wouldn't do with deeply classified assets, I'm guessing.
A friend of mine has told me more than once we're barking up the wrong tree thinking whatever it is, is coming from space.
2) The crafts observed and recorded for the past 70 years + are not part of any known U.S. military program. They are also not part of any dark U.S. military program.
There are two possible options here.
1) These craft are from our known adversaries, China or Russia.
2) These craft are from somewhere else.
These craft have demonstrated the capability of dropping from 80,000 feet to sea level in less than a second. They have shown instantaneous acceleration. They break the sound barrier without sonic booms. They can travel from air to water to air without damage. They can accelerate at hundreds of miles an hour and stop instantaneously and can make right angle turns without slowing down. These craft sustain g forces in the thousands with out apparent damage. These craft have no observable flight surfaces, no obvious source of propulsion, no heat blooms, no exhaust. Lastly, these craft have been breaching U.S. military airspace for seven plus decades with impunity. We can't stop them. We don't even know what they are. We do know they aren't ours.
So the question really becomes have China or Russia developed technology which is estimated to be at least 1,000 years ahead of the most advanced U.S. technology? Side note - this would be the single biggest intelligence failure in the history of the country. Or, are these craft from somewhere else.
Which seems the most logical to you?
I have no doubt these phenomena are real, what it is I’m not exactly sure and is kind of crazy to think about, it may not be ‘aliens’ in the conventional sense.
To summarize where we are in clear terms I think it’s really beneficial:
1- The Pentagon has said the evidence presented is authentic
2- a task force report is due by the end of the month
3- The Pentagon has also confirmed that the phenomena implicated in the media published all over the world is not United States technology, secret or otherwise
4 - lue Elizondo former pentagon official assigned to deal with aerial threats and UFOs has come out and said It’s not ours, it’s not foreign adversarial technology either
5 - that leaves it up to us what we think it is
I think it’s a higher consciousness of some kind meddling in our lives but I’m not sure why. There may not be a purpose, it could all be for fun.
They could’ve been here the whole time, in our atmosphere, in our oceans who knows.
The government has without question covered up what they know and do not know and I think that’s the big secret they do not want us to know just how little they know about these incursions around our military weaponry and nuclear facilities, which has a massive track record and national security implications going back decades. There is no doubt this phenomenon is interested in our nuclear weapons to the point where operations to essentially lure in UFO craft have been undertaken. Our entire nuclear naval fleet is telling you they see these things on a daily basis over periods of years on both coasts. They have been captured optically, on video, and on radar above and under the oceans. And the technology lead required to do what these things are doing is between 50 and 1000 years ahead, beyond next generation technology.
In short, it ain’t us. It ain’t China. It ain’t Russia - they too for decades have experienced the same phenomena.
NASA is finally going to study it after decades of silence, denial, and ridicule. The stigma is slowly going away.
About lures- As an avid fisherman I went the other day and I got to thinking what a lure must look like to a fish. It mimics things that are in their environment, but it is made by an entire world full of species that they have no clue about - The lure is designed to attract the attention and elicit a response. Sometimes the lure is designed to be natural, other times metallic and shiny it’s erratic behavior and reflective properties eliciting the response.
The lure and the fisherman is not perfect, if you hit a snag or are you tie a poor knot the lure comes undone. If you don’t present the lure correctly it doesn’t work. Essentially you have a marvel of the machine age tied to a piece of monofilament so it looks invisible, but it’s actually connected to a fairly rudimentary tool from our perspective. Essentially a stick and a string. What it must be like for fish to swim by these foreign objects. If they could think like we do what would they be thinking, what would they be thinking about the lures that line the stream beds and lakes and oceans over the world. In a sense I think we are coming to terms with just what this means right now in our lifetimes and I can’t believe it’s actually happening.
I never thought this topic would reach the level of legitimacy that it has. The ride alone has been amazing. I hope the destination and the outcome is equally were warning and I hope humans as a species come together and evolve positively from it
I concur...Great analogy
Awesome post.
I actually had a similar thought last year. I had a mouse problem outside my house due to all kinds of deforestation/construction going on in the area.
I would catch them live in a 5 gallon bucket and release them in a field.
Reading up on it - it was recommended releasing mice at least a few miles away, as any closer and they potentially find their way back.
To a mouse, the thought of the distance between say New York City and Baltimore would be beyond comprehension. To us, its a mere couple of hours in a car.
We think of these galactic distances in the framework of our own understanding. If a lifeform were to have a few thousand (maybe million) years of evolution on us - who knows what technology comes with it
We think of these galactic distances in the framework of our own understanding. If a lifeform were to have a few thousand (maybe million) years of evolution on us - who knows what technology comes with it
The same can be said of our understanding of 'time'. Einstein postulated that time was an illusion. His proof of time dilation showed the 'relative' aspects of time. In other words, there're are a lot of things we don't comprehend... perhaps the 'laws' of physics are merely suggestions.
(7) Time traveling historians from the distant future.
I don’t believe that either.
I tend to believe it is some sort of optics thing but who the hell knows.
I agree that IF an extraterrestrial civilization has been visiting the Earth for decades without wiping us out, that fact would be truly remarkable. However, I have a really hard time believing such an advanced civilization capable of travel between the stars would be unable to avoid detection.
These observations being of human (not necessarily US) origin are much more plausible and therefore very much less interesting to me; almost a "nothing burger" IMHO.
Until there is irrefutable evidence provided, this just isn't worth much time discussing (see Big Foot, Loch Ness Monster etc.)
Extraordinary Claims Require Extraordinary Evidence: The Case of Non-Local Perception, a Classical and Bayesian Review of Evidences - ( New Window )
Anyway, that speaks to Trainmasters point. If they were smart enough to get here, they’d almost certainly be smart enough to hide their detection, because clearly that’s what they are trying to do.
As far as the sea stuff goes, I was in Navy and stood a fuckton of watch. People see all sorts of shit out there, it isn’t reliable. I’ve had an obsession with aliens since I’ve been a kid, but extraordinary proof requires extraordinary evidence. All we have is the pentagon coming forward and being maybe. There could be a ton of political reasons for doing so, namely funding. With high res cameras now in everyone’s hand you think you’d have something better than some blurry big foot footage
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“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” was a phrase made popular by Carl Sagan who reworded Laplace's principle, which says that “the weight of evidence for an extraordinary claim must be proportioned to its strangeness”
I agree that IF an extraterrestrial civilization has been visiting the Earth for decades without wiping us out, that fact would be truly remarkable. However, I have a really hard time believing such an advanced civilization capable of travel between the stars would be unable to avoid detection.
These observations being of human (not necessarily US) origin are much more plausible and therefore very much less interesting to me; almost a "nothing burger" IMHO.
Until there is irrefutable evidence provided, this just isn't worth much time discussing (see Big Foot, Loch Ness Monster etc.) Extraordinary Claims Require Extraordinary Evidence: The Case of Non-Local Perception, a Classical and Bayesian Review of Evidences - ( New Window )
The "aliens" described by witnesses are humanoid in appearance.... hard to believe that alien life forms would evolve in similar bipedal primate forms.
Or perhaps, worm-holes or parallel dimensions?
I observed a UFO in the 60's, when I was a teenager. The experience remains vivid to this day. It was not conventional aircraft, astronomical object, swamp gas, birds, ball lightning or any other condescending B.S. explanation.
(7) Time traveling historians from the distant future.
I don’t believe that either.
I tend to believe it is some sort of optics thing but who the hell knows.
The other possibility is that it's some remnant of the code in our simulation..or just a "shiny object" in the simulation if we stick with that previous analogy...
so
(8) Further evidence of Simulation Theory
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“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” was a phrase made popular by Carl Sagan who reworded Laplace's principle, which says that “the weight of evidence for an extraordinary claim must be proportioned to its strangeness”
I agree that IF an extraterrestrial civilization has been visiting the Earth for decades without wiping us out, that fact would be truly remarkable. However, I have a really hard time believing such an advanced civilization capable of travel between the stars would be unable to avoid detection.
These observations being of human (not necessarily US) origin are much more plausible and therefore very much less interesting to me; almost a "nothing burger" IMHO.
Until there is irrefutable evidence provided, this just isn't worth much time discussing (see Big Foot, Loch Ness Monster etc.) Extraordinary Claims Require Extraordinary Evidence: The Case of Non-Local Perception, a Classical and Bayesian Review of Evidences - ( New Window )
I understand this point of view but that has to overlook the fact that they may very well have advanced technologies we can't even comprehend.
Interesting as hell, though. Got to wonder what secrets are worth such elaborate disinformation as GARNET and MJ12 documents.
Thanks. I was inspired by the thought while on the river fly fishing and when I got back in service and texted everyone I knew that fished about why they did so.
One person responded that they view fishing for Brook trout like encountering an alien - it was a great synchronicity
And yet they can't escape detection by our crude (likely by their standards) technologies?
I think if they wanted to be seen, we'd see them openly.
I think if they didn't want to be seen, we'd never see them.
This "we catch intriguing glimpses of them", doesn't make any sense to me IF these "UFOs" are actually extraterrestrials.
(7) Time traveling historians from the distant future.
I don’t believe that either.
I tend to believe it is some sort of optics thing but who the hell knows.
It could be a combination of things - rendelsheim forest incident comes to mind. The communication was essentially “we are you” and if you believe the binary code piece of the story that means time travelers.
If you think the binary code is bullshit - fine. “We are you” though could still be true. They could have helped our evolution along if they’ve been here … reminds me of the Bob lazar briefings he’s claimed to have read. Kindof makes some sense either way
And yet they can't escape detection by our crude (likely by their standards) technologies?
I think if they wanted to be seen, we'd see them openly.
I think if they didn't want to be seen, we'd never see them.
This "we catch intriguing glimpses of them", doesn't make any sense to me IF these "UFOs" are actually extraterrestrials.
IF the premise holds - you have no idea what their intentions are.
We do see them openly. Looking at the data 4 new unique incidents a week in the US alone.
They can appear and effectively disappear at will.
They can also shut down our nuclear weapons, jam weapons attack, jam aerial tracking devices. It’s clear they are in control whatever they are.
You strike me as someone who has not seriously looked at the evidence that has come out in recent years. I suggest you do so.
Then there’s also the appearance of beings themselves - explain the research done by John Mack on abductions - the first Harvard professor to work on such topics. He’s featured wonderfully in James Fox’s The Phenomenon which if you’ve not seen it, are on the fence, watch it immediately.
My main reasons are as follows:
(1) The sun is of the correct spectral type (G) to have planets that can support life. The general consensus is that only F (3%), G (7.6%), and K (12.1%) stars can do so. (Fifty of the closest 63 stars to the Sun are M class red dwarfs.)
(2) At 4.6 billion years old, the sun is of the right age, and is very stable.
(3) The sun is not part of a binary or trinary star system. To support life, planets must be in the “habitable zone,” that is be in an orbit around their parent star that allows liquid water to exist. That is much more difficult in binary and trinary star systems because a planet might have to be in more than one habitable zone.
(4) The solar system is in the Orion Arm of the Milky Way Galaxy, which is far from its center, where life is impossible because of radiation and the supermassive black hole Sagittarius A.
(5) The astronomical geometry of the solar system is conducive to life. This is because the inner planets are to some extent protected from continual bombardment by comets and meteors (the dinosaurs notwithstanding) by the outer gas giants.
Why does all of this increase the chance that we have been discovered by extraterrestrials? Because there are an estimated 100 to 400 billion stars in the Milky Way. Factors like those I mentioned help narrow the list of viable candidates.
So when do I think we’ll actually make contact with extraterrestrials? Never. Any beings observing us likely have no intention of interfering, either to save us or the planet. Allowing us to occasionally view their advanced technology is likely just part of their observations, in that case by measuring our responses.
There is also the possibility that they are so advanced that they cannot communicate with us.
I think if we want to meet an alien species we will have to be the visitors by discovering interstellar travel.
Extraterrestrials have little need to annihilate us a la “War of the Worlds” or “Independence Day.” Creating anything they want from preexisting materials would almost certainly be easier than coming to a remote part of the galaxy to destroy our planet.
Aliens could easily be bipedal.
Alien Life - ( New Window )
Just saying’…
Just saying’…
Igor Sikorsky invented the helicopter in 1939 (it flew in Connecticut). A Brit named William Bourne invented the submarine and an Irishman named, JP Holland built the first practical submarine. The Nazi's did invent the first practical Jet... that's something
Or is because when those clips exist the UFO becomes something reasonably identified and cleared?
I never really believed Bob Lazar but I just watch 2 separate body language expert review his interviews and both came to the conclusion that he is not lying so now I am more intrigued about him and his story.
Like I said on the previous thread, we don't even have to get into "little green men" to label this as paradigm shifting stuff. If another country is capable of this, is that not of interest?
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I never really believed Bob Lazar but I just watch 2 separate body language expert review his interviews and both came to the conclusion that he is not lying so now I am more intrigued about him and his story.
It's interesting because Christopher Melon is (I think) the most high ranking guy driving this push for disclosure and he seems to think Lazar is probably full of shit.
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doubtful of any of the things but the opening post asked what else it could be other than the six things listed. How about
(7) Time traveling historians from the distant future.
I don’t believe that either.
I tend to believe it is some sort of optics thing but who the hell knows.
It could be a combination of things - rendelsheim forest incident comes to mind. The communication was essentially “we are you” and if you believe the binary code piece of the story that means time travelers.
If you think the binary code is bullshit - fine. “We are you” though could still be true. They could have helped our evolution along if they’ve been here … reminds me of the Bob lazar briefings he’s claimed to have read. Kindof makes some sense either way
If any of the reported UFO encounters were time travel incidents, and not alien encounters, Bentwaters would be a perfect example. One of the most intriguing incidents to me, especially the binary message.
Someone on this thread mentioned funding, that makes a ton of sense, I know a report is due at the end of the month, but will us private citizens even see it? Also the Tic Tac/David Fravor sighting was 17years ago, kind of odd that it gets released now.
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doubtful of any of the things but the opening post asked what else it could be other than the six things listed. How about
(7) Time traveling historians from the distant future.
I don’t believe that either.
I tend to believe it is some sort of optics thing but who the hell knows.
It could be a combination of things - rendelsheim forest incident comes to mind. The communication was essentially “we are you” and if you believe the binary code piece of the story that means time travelers.
If you think the binary code is bullshit - fine. “We are you” though could still be true. They could have helped our evolution along if they’ve been here … reminds me of the Bob lazar briefings he’s claimed to have read. Kindof makes some sense either way
I believe the general hypothesis of the binary code story is they chose to do this as it is a universal computer language. The ones who believe this think this actually serves as a decent piece of evidence they are in fact future humans, who would thereby know not to leave a message in traditional language as so many different ones are spoken. In addition they would know the words would in fact be decipherable as more would be learned about binary code by humans, a fact a futurist would know.
I have no idea, it makes for an interesting thought.
This is an imperfect analogy, but the best I can do. Let's imagine scientists hear a rumor about an undiscovered tribe in the Amazon. If the tribe truly were undiscovered, one would think they would be at least a millennium behind us technologically. But with our technology right now, even with satellites, it's possible we couldn't find them if we don't have a somewhat precise idea of their location due to tree canopies and such. In that situation, might we not look with drones or people or some other combination that is detectable? And if we eventually figured out they had some pretty advanced technology and/or defense systems, might we not want to probe them before contact?
So let's now assume that they can get here but for whatever reason they can't avoid detection. If that's true, they're probing our defenses and technology--they're not just coming out and saying "hi." That could be for their own protection, but it's obviously also troubling that our best technology can't fuck with them.
One scenario is a District 9 / Vernor Vinge Deepness in the Sky situation where the aliens are somewhat near us but in some way hobbled/stranded, and they're trying to test our limits and whether they can communicate with us, take what they need from us, etc.
If they *can* avoid detection, I'm not sure why their method of contact would be fucking with our militaries. In this scenario they could presumably glean whatever they need about our military assets without direct contact. But who am I to question the motives or methods about superior beings....I just think supremely powerful beings probably wouldn't announce their presence by making clear our military can't hang.
I think there is 0% chance this is Russian, Chinese, or other domestic technology. Do you think Putin or Xi would sit on this shit and not use it for military advantage? That seems impossible to me. Similarly if it's US technology it would be getting pushed into use ASAP.
I've read a fairly good argument that if we ever encounter alien technology, it would be AI and not "alive." This could definitely be that scenario.
If these are space tourists or parallel universe tourists, why are they testing our militaries? That aspect continues to trouble me but again what can I do?
Or it's just lizard people messing with us. Definitely lizard people.