With all the recent news surrounding UFO sightings (on radar by military aircraft, ships, pilot visuals) not to mention statements by high level government officials around the world, as well as astronauts, I cannot believe the relative lack of attention this is getting in the media. The implications of these events are potentially world changing.
Needless to say, I am fascinated and exited about the possibilities. So what are these vehicles? My list of possibilities are the following; would love to hear anyone else's ideas on this.....
(1) Hoax perpetrated on government/military
(2) Hoax perpetrated by U.S. Govt.
(3) U.S. technology.
(4) Foreign Govt. technology.
(5) Private Industry technology.
(6) Alien technology.
What else could it be?
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as in "unidentified" is a synonym for "we dont know"?
So in sum, some tiny percentage of all the things that are observed via optical recordings are not explainable? And we have no choice, no known examples of damage and no cure for a thing that (even if it exists) has done no known harm for decades and decades?
Unidentified Innocuous Objects is the more accurate observation of the past phenomenon?
Seems recent human history would teach us to worry a lot more about Almost Invisible Damaging Objects.
So we dont know everything. And when we find out, there will be more we dont know.
This subject was pretty far down my list of interests and after reading a very long thread with no there there its dropped down further. Nothing to do, nothing to fear, just items that cant be classified. Of the mysteries and knowledge gaps we must live with, for me, this is one for others to focus on.
All I know is - these things are real and the government admitted it. Which means it’s not secret tech and it’s not anything China or Russia has. What does that leave?
Look at that Info graphic I posted earlier - the possible explanations range beyond where the OP was. It’s a fascinating topic, fun to talk about. Clearly incites ridicule from those to have a higher source of knowledge than the rest of us.
I’m fine with unidentified at this point.
We further agree that no previously unidentified "objects" recorded have been found in physical form. Ever.
"These things are real". If they are unidentified, that is a really ignorant statement. What do you mean by "real"?
Some of the unidentified items have been deflated balloons. Those are real items, but not noteworthy.
Some of the unidentified things have been optical illusions(such as an array of lights in formation), cloud formations or even shadows. Those aren't real items and aren't noteworthy.
Being real means nothing if you don't know what it is - and the condundrum is if you don't know what it is, even calling it "real" is contradictory.
For me, I prefer to give mental shelf space to things that are certainly in the world and for knowledge or practice or perspective can do something about it.
Just imo
What if these Unidentified Bony Objects are gathering to March on North Carolina.
Can you prove they aren't?
Lots more unidentified bones are being found then in the Dark Ages. Or even the Middle Ages.
Obviously this should be a military concern. There are military bases in the Carolinas, and valuable humans live there unaware of the threat.
Do you know which they will go for first?
Obviously, some people are deliberately avoiding reality.
via Richard Dolan, UFO Historian.
US propulsion development activities stay within US-designated ranges. UAP sightings are NOT attributable to US advanced propulsion development projects.
This just makes we think it is possibly US tech.
So they admit to have some new techs developed and have tested it around area 51. Well what would the next level of black ops testing involve? I would guess it would be nice to buzz our own guys, so what if our pilots and ships see them, the military can control the narrative.
Now you want to take testing further or even for operational spying and such and bring the tech in front of our adversaries. The best way to do that would be to disclose that we are seeing all this crazy tech and it isn't ours.
None of the Identified Bony Objects have eyes.
So it can't be a coincidence. Obviously it's a conspiracy.
Why is the government hiding the reasons and research they must have done on this? It's got to be a high risk to tell us the truth.
Or we don't want the Russians to know
We further agree that no previously unidentified "objects" recorded have been found in physical form. Ever.
I don’t agree to that last statement, how can you or I possibly know that. Especially when current contractors to the DOD have said the contrary. “Off world aerial vehicles, not made by human hands” I believe is the money quote. I’m not willing to stare that no UAP have ever been recovered. That of course is the hope to those that want to go deeper with disclosure. That’s the big conspiracy many point to but cannot prove. I’m open to that but of course would never say anything definitive points to this. But personally I’m open and want to hear more about this aspect.
I think if you read the latest report - many are physical objects. New science needed to get further in explaining how a craft can move as fast as these have and not result in a sonic boom. Even if it is secret tech - which I’m not saying it is - it represents a paradigm shift that absolutely needs further explanation and attention.
What the statement I posted from Dolan above means to me is that it’s not likely to be secret US tech. That they would not test anything like that near other military operations, where these incursions have occurred. That of course is a leak of a classified piece of information so I don’t know how to go beyond just responding to what was put out there but it certainly terrifies what other people have been saying about this, they would not test secret black budget technology in active military training sessions without full awareness of what was going on and that seems to be what Dolan is indicating here.
I think UAP's fall under two catagories:
1) Current Military: The US or another country has developed tech that is way ahead of current thought, or this is a disinformation campaign by the military (fake videos or using current tech) to simulate what's been released). It wouldn't be a shock to discover that the goverment has lied about this, or that only people at the highest levels know what's going on.
Why disinformation? Remember what the US did back in the 80's against the USSR with SDI...we drove the Russians into severe debt, enough to wreck their economy, to try and develop counters to SDI, even though SDI was never that good. PsyOps are nothing new. This is the most likely solution, IMO.
2) Aliens? I think that the current concept of Aliens is unlikely (Aliens from another Solar System), but I do think that Time Travel would explain a lot of what we're seeing.
Time Travelers would need to have as little contact/interaction as possible, in order to keep the time line intact. That would explain why the photos are fuzzy (phase shifting would make it hard to focus on them). The "grays" people talk about are basic humanoid shape, and are possible evolutionary (or mutated) versions of humans.
Given enough time, humanity could develop the power systems and science necessary to develop time travel. The reasons to go back in time to study the planet are unclear, but it's possible they are trying to study the status of our biolife (especially the oceans), in order to restore the planet, or learn lessons in terraforming (something we're actually doing now with climate change).
If the UAP's are actually from non humans, they are likely AI drones. That would allow the incredible acceleration that's been reported. Why the drones are collecting information on various planets is another mystery, but Earth might be a target because of the water signature our planet has (something we can now dectect on exo planets with current technology). Water is considered a good indicator of possible life.
"These things are real". If they are unidentified, that is a really ignorant statement. What do you mean by "real"?
Some of the unidentified items have been deflated balloons. Those are real items, but not noteworthy.
Some of the unidentified things have been optical illusions(such as an array of lights in formation), cloud formations or even shadows. Those aren't real items and aren't noteworthy.
Being real means nothing if you don't know what it is - and the condundrum is if you don't know what it is, even calling it "real" is contradictory.
I don’t think you get it in on the contrary. Authentic footage exists of unidentified craft that are not US military operating in our sensitive air spaces, they are not camera artifacts, they are not lighting affects, they are not birds. They are not balloons. They are intelligent we control physical objects that we don’t know where the fuck they come from, period.
Your military personnel have arrested to their personal experiences as such. The DOD and DNI have corroborated it. Unknown means NOT lightbrite. Not birds. Not balloons. Not secret US tech. It cannot be explained using natural or prosaic means.
What does that leave? It seems we don’t know everything about what’s going on on this planet, let alone what could be out there beyond our limited use the universe.
The great conspiracy, as I’ve noticed in my own professional life and experience, is that the big secret really amounts to the people in power don’t want you to know how little they actually know about what’s going on.
I think UAP's fall under two catagories:
1) Current Military: The US or another country has developed tech that is way ahead of current thought, or this is a disinformation campaign by the military (fake videos or using current tech) to simulate what's been released). It wouldn't be a shock to discover that the goverment has lied about this, or that only people at the highest levels know what's going on.
Why disinformation? Remember what the US did back in the 80's against the USSR with SDI...we drove the Russians into severe debt, enough to wreck their economy, to try and develop counters to SDI, even though SDI was never that good. PsyOps are nothing new. This is the most likely solution, IMO.
2) Aliens? I think that the current concept of Aliens is unlikely (Aliens from another Solar System), but I do think that Time Travel would explain a lot of what we're seeing.
Time Travelers would need to have as little contact/interaction as possible, in order to keep the time line intact. That would explain why the photos are fuzzy (phase shifting would make it hard to focus on them). The "grays" people talk about are basic humanoid shape, and are possible evolutionary (or mutated) versions of humans.
Given enough time, humanity could develop the power systems and science necessary to develop time travel. The reasons to go back in time to study the planet are unclear, but it's possible they are trying to study the status of our biolife (especially the oceans), in order to restore the planet, or learn lessons in terraforming (something we're actually doing now with climate change).
If the UAP's are actually from non humans, they are likely AI drones. That would allow the incredible acceleration that's been reported. Why the drones are collecting information on various planets is another mystery, but Earth might be a target because of the water signature our planet has (something we can now dectect on exo planets with current technology). Water is considered a good indicator of possible life.
John I think that makes a lot of sense
That's not really a conspiracy is it? That's just a pithy statement that means nothing.
A conspiracy is an organized effort to disseminate falsehoods by a group working together to hide the real truth.
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The great conspiracy, as I’ve noticed in my own professional life and experience, is that the big secret really amounts to the people in power don’t want you to know how little they actually know about what’s going on.
That's not really a conspiracy is it? That's just a pithy statement that means nothing.
A conspiracy is an organized effort to disseminate falsehoods by a group working together to hide the real truth.
This guy throws a bunch of words he doesn’t understand the meaning to incessantly in an effort to sound like he’s making some sort of intellectual argument.
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The great conspiracy, as I’ve noticed in my own professional life and experience, is that the big secret really amounts to the people in power don’t want you to know how little they actually know about what’s going on.
That's not really a conspiracy is it? That's just a pithy statement that means nothing.
A conspiracy is an organized effort to disseminate falsehoods by a group working together to hide the real truth.
This guy throws a bunch of words he doesn’t understand the meaning to incessantly in an effort to sound like he’s making some sort of intellectual argument.
Y’all would prolly sit down in a shitty booth while I drink you under the table. It’s them or it’s us. It’s secret is waiting to be revealed one way or another.
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seem to get it.
"These things are real". If they are unidentified, that is a really ignorant statement. What do you mean by "real"?
Some of the unidentified items have been deflated balloons. Those are real items, but not noteworthy.
Some of the unidentified things have been optical illusions(such as an array of lights in formation), cloud formations or even shadows. Those aren't real items and aren't noteworthy.
Being real means nothing if you don't know what it is - and the condundrum is if you don't know what it is, even calling it "real" is contradictory.
I don’t think you get it in on the contrary. Authentic footage exists of unidentified craft that are not US military operating in our sensitive air spaces, they are not camera artifacts, they are not lighting affects, they are not birds. They are not balloons. They are intelligent we control physical objects that we don’t know where the fuck they come from, period.
Your military personnel have arrested to their personal experiences as such. The DOD and DNI have corroborated it. Unknown means NOT lightbrite. Not birds. Not balloons. Not secret US tech. It cannot be explained using natural or prosaic means.
What does that leave? It seems we don’t know everything about what’s going on on this planet, let alone what could be out there beyond our limited use the universe.
The great conspiracy, as I’ve noticed in my own professional life and experience, is that the big secret really amounts to the people in power don’t want you to know how little they actually know about what’s going on.
You are closer to the truth you seek with lite-brite, birds and balloons versus alleging a ridiculous government cover up.
And not for nothing, our government is made up of a whole lot of working class stiffs and elected professional and educated people you know in everyday life. While it sounds exciting to scream “Conspiracy” from the mountaintop, it’s rarely the right conclusion...
Tons and tons of examples of this in every nations history and all human institutions
Wake up They aren’t all-anything.
But it’s almost time for fireworks at my club so signing off now. Hopefully nobody mistakes them for UFOs. But you never know….
Nothing to see here…
They’re using common sense…
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To study the UFO phenomenon adequately is, in actual fact, to study pretty much everything. It is also to come up against, hard, the realization that the institutional or university order of knowledge within which we work and think today, an order that effectively splits the sciences off from the humanities, is simply not helpful, and certainly not reflective of the reality we are trying to understand. The difficult truth is that the UFO phenomenon has both an objective “hard” aspect (think fighter jet videos, photographs, alleged metamaterials, apparent advanced propulsion methods, and landing marks) and a subjective “human” aspect (think close encounters, multiple and coordinated visual sightings, altered states of consciousness, visionary displays, often of a most baroque or sci-fi sort, and experienced traumatic or transcendent abductions). And both sides — both the material and the mental dimensions — are incredibly important to get a sense of the full picture.
Of course, one can slice up the UFO phenomenon into the “scientific” and the “humanistic,” but one will never understand it by doing so. That, in the end, is why I think the subject is so incredibly important: it bears a particular power to challenge, or just obliterate, our present order of knowledge and its arbitrary divisions. Whatever “it” is, it simply does not behave according to our rules and assumptions. Period.”
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Matt... if you're trying to convince people and change their way of thinking, you're failing badly.
Matt... if you're trying to convince people and change their way of thinking, you're failing badly.
LOL. I was thinking the same exact thing. That write-up read like someone sprinkled in a bunch of large words without even knowing what the meaning was! "Baroque"?? OK
By the way - anyone ever wonder why the UFO's are commonly seen around military installations? Could be they are military?? Nahhhhhh
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I've seen in a long time. That Rice University crap is worse than psycho-babble, it's a desperate cry for psychological intervention.
Matt... if you're trying to convince people and change their way of thinking, you're failing badly.
LOL. I was thinking the same exact thing. That write-up read like someone sprinkled in a bunch of large words without even knowing what the meaning was! "Baroque"?? OK
By the way - anyone ever wonder why the UFO's are commonly seen around military installations? Could be they are military?? Nahhhhhh
I can't imagine how a nuclear explosion could cause people to see things previously unimaginable...
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I've seen in a long time. That Rice University crap is worse than psycho-babble, it's a desperate cry for psychological intervention.
Matt... if you're trying to convince people and change their way of thinking, you're failing badly.
LOL. I was thinking the same exact thing. That write-up read like someone sprinkled in a bunch of large words without even knowing what the meaning was! "Baroque"?? OK
By the way - anyone ever wonder why the UFO's are commonly seen around military installations? Could be they are military?? Nahhhhhh
I think mattlawson is Jeffrey Kripal, they have an uncanny similarity in writing styles.
If I find a cup full of shit, I either rinse it out or throw it away.
You're flooding the zone with the same kind of unreliable or unverifiable 'information' that plagues 'documentary' television shows on UFO's. There is always a hook to these shows that turns-out to be loosely bundled pieces of information that leads to the same villains (the US anti-UFO government cabal) and the same conclusion; "We don't know what it is and it's well beyond our understanding, but we have a good guess... Aliens!"
I'm coming back to see if the reference to "facts" have been backed up or that there has been credible images posted to back up the idea that "these things are real". Instead, I'm left with images of Lite-Brite and assorted ramblings that reference the term "Baroque" for some unknown reason....
A cup of shit seems pretty aptly decriptive
You’re own government just told you 143/144 events in the last 15 years they looked at remain unexplained.
How are you trying to paint me as some kind of psycho with those points as they are. This is happening right in front of us on real time - not a bad tv show
If anything, you're doing that all on your own. Strings of posts showing nothing. Rambling comments from questionable sources.
This is all on you, Chief.
And yet you keep coming back...
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Strings of posts showing nothing. Rambling comments from questionable sources.
And yet you keep coming back...
As do you. Is there a fucking point somewhere?
Yea, I'm coming to the UFO thread to see UFO content, good bad and in between.
Coming here just to argue and insult for a week? Now that would be psychotic.
So we have here anti-gravitic craft, or unmanned drones capable of those maneuvers back then, or something else that can explain those maneuvers if you take the black project US secret tech stance. I sincerely doubt in 2004 we had perfected that kind of technology - almost on 20 years nothing comes close to that in our inventory.
Unless you think everyone is lying through their teeth here - this is something we only wish we had. Would love the military to come out and say we’re just playing with our toys here - why wouldn’t they of a show of force is what their after. They haven’t.
So we have here anti-gravitic craft, or unmanned drones capable of those maneuvers back then, or something else that can explain those maneuvers if you take the black project US secret tech stance. I sincerely doubt in 2004 we had perfected that kind of technology - almost on 20 years nothing comes close to that in our inventory.
Unless you think everyone is lying through their teeth here - this is something we only wish we had. Would love the military to come out and say we’re just playing with our toys here - why wouldn’t they of a show of force is what their after. They haven’t.
Yeah, here's the thing: No civilian knew we had or were developing radar stealth aircraft. The F-117 was in development for over a decade until they were brought into service in 1983 and its widely publicized use in Desert Storm. Up until then, few in the Pentagon even know such aircraft existed and for anyone fortunate enough to see these craft in flight during the late 70s or early 80s, you'd easily think they were alien craft.
Now think about the thousands of projects that never made it to production.
So we have here anti-gravitic craft, or unmanned drones capable of those maneuvers back then, or something else that can explain those maneuvers if you take the black project US secret tech stance. I sincerely doubt in 2004 we had perfected that kind of technology - almost on 20 years nothing comes close to that in our inventory.
Unless you think everyone is lying through their teeth here - this is something we only wish we had. Would love the military to come out and say we’re just playing with our toys here - why wouldn’t they of a show of force is what their after. They haven’t.
Holographic projections to test the new radar. That would certainly be under the possibility of our secret tech and during a rare training exercise. There is no proof it was a physical object.