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MartyGlickman : 6/15/2021 3:37 pm
With all the recent news surrounding UFO sightings (on radar by military aircraft, ships, pilot visuals) not to mention statements by high level government officials around the world, as well as astronauts, I cannot believe the relative lack of attention this is getting in the media. The implications of these events are potentially world changing.
Needless to say, I am fascinated and exited about the possibilities. So what are these vehicles? My list of possibilities are the following; would love to hear anyone else's ideas on this.....
(1) Hoax perpetrated on government/military
(2) Hoax perpetrated by U.S. Govt.
(3) U.S. technology.
(4) Foreign Govt. technology.
(5) Private Industry technology.
(6) Alien technology.

What else could it be?

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The report in full  
mattlawson : 7/4/2021 9:35 am : link
143 of the 144 cases examined remain unexplained. Follow the logic.
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On the videos that started it all in 2017 - DOD  
mattlawson : 7/4/2021 9:40 am : link
Why do you still doubt the UAPs are real and remain unidentified. The Government has told you every which way
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Am I missing something?  
Bill2 : 7/4/2021 10:04 am : link
Doesn't "Unidentified" mean all or most of the important facts are not established yet by those studying the phenomenon?

as in "unidentified" is a synonym for "we dont know"?

So in sum, some tiny percentage of all the things that are observed via optical recordings are not explainable? And we have no choice, no known examples of damage and no cure for a thing that (even if it exists) has done no known harm for decades and decades?

Unidentified Innocuous Objects is the more accurate observation of the past phenomenon?

Seems recent human history would teach us to worry a lot more about Almost Invisible Damaging Objects.

So we dont know everything. And when we find out, there will be more we dont know.

This subject was pretty far down my list of interests and after reading a very long thread with no there there its dropped down further. Nothing to do, nothing to fear, just items that cant be classified. Of the mysteries and knowledge gaps we must live with, for me, this is one for others to focus on.
I dont think you’re missing anything really  
mattlawson : 7/4/2021 10:32 am : link
Unidentified and unknown is the point. Those so sure it’s secret tech… how do you know. Those so sure it’s alien - how can you know.

All I know is - these things are real and the government admitted it. Which means it’s not secret tech and it’s not anything China or Russia has. What does that leave?

Look at that Info graphic I posted earlier - the possible explanations range beyond where the OP was. It’s a fascinating topic, fun to talk about. Clearly incites ridicule from those to have a higher source of knowledge than the rest of us.

I’m fine with unidentified at this point.
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Bill2 : 7/4/2021 12:37 pm : link
Then we violently agree that unidentified visual or audio images are not the same as agreement that there are yet any Objects at all. They are the unidentified phenomenon captured on our current recoding technology after all the phenomenon that can be identified are taken out of the set of things seen in the sky. They may or may not be objects.

We further agree that no previously unidentified "objects" recorded have been found in physical form. Ever.
You don't..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/4/2021 12:38 pm : link
seem to get it.

"These things are real". If they are unidentified, that is a really ignorant statement. What do you mean by "real"?

Some of the unidentified items have been deflated balloons. Those are real items, but not noteworthy.

Some of the unidentified things have been optical illusions(such as an array of lights in formation), cloud formations or even shadows. Those aren't real items and aren't noteworthy.

Being real means nothing if you don't know what it is - and the condundrum is if you don't know what it is, even calling it "real" is contradictory.
After that it's just a preference  
Bill2 : 7/4/2021 12:43 pm : link
of what to pay attention to.

For me, I prefer to give mental shelf space to things that are certainly in the world and for knowledge or practice or perspective can do something about it.

Just imo
FMIC  
Bill2 : 7/4/2021 12:53 pm : link
I suspect that humans and governments have unearthed bones that remain unidentified.

What if these Unidentified Bony Objects are gathering to March on North Carolina.

Can you prove they aren't?

Lots more unidentified bones are being found then in the Dark Ages. Or even the Middle Ages.

Obviously this should be a military concern. There are military bases in the Carolinas, and valuable humans live there unaware of the threat.

Do you know which they will go for first?

Obviously, some people are deliberately avoiding reality.
RE: More recent info for those following along  
dabru : 7/4/2021 12:53 pm : link
In comment 15298451 mattlawson said:
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via Richard Dolan, UFO Historian.

US propulsion development activities stay within US-designated ranges. UAP sightings are NOT attributable to US advanced propulsion development projects.


This just makes we think it is possibly US tech.

So they admit to have some new techs developed and have tested it around area 51. Well what would the next level of black ops testing involve? I would guess it would be nice to buzz our own guys, so what if our pilots and ships see them, the military can control the narrative.

Now you want to take testing further or even for operational spying and such and bring the tech in front of our adversaries. The best way to do that would be to disclose that we are seeing all this crazy tech and it isn't ours.
Funny thing is that  
Bill2 : 7/4/2021 1:01 pm : link
All humans with government issued Identifications have eyes.

None of the Identified Bony Objects have eyes.

So it can't be a coincidence. Obviously it's a conspiracy.

Why is the government hiding the reasons and research they must have done on this? It's got to be a high risk to tell us the truth.

Or we don't want the Russians to know
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mattlawson : 7/4/2021 1:19 pm : link
In comment 15299182 Bill2 said:
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Then we violently agree that unidentified visual or audio images are not the same as agreement that there are yet any Objects at all. They are the unidentified phenomenon captured on our current recoding technology after all the phenomenon that can be identified are taken out of the set of things seen in the sky. They may or may not be objects.

We further agree that no previously unidentified "objects" recorded have been found in physical form. Ever.


I don’t agree to that last statement, how can you or I possibly know that. Especially when current contractors to the DOD have said the contrary. “Off world aerial vehicles, not made by human hands” I believe is the money quote. I’m not willing to stare that no UAP have ever been recovered. That of course is the hope to those that want to go deeper with disclosure. That’s the big conspiracy many point to but cannot prove. I’m open to that but of course would never say anything definitive points to this. But personally I’m open and want to hear more about this aspect.

I think if you read the latest report - many are physical objects. New science needed to get further in explaining how a craft can move as fast as these have and not result in a sonic boom. Even if it is secret tech - which I’m not saying it is - it represents a paradigm shift that absolutely needs further explanation and attention.

What the statement I posted from Dolan above means to me is that it’s not likely to be secret US tech. That they would not test anything like that near other military operations, where these incursions have occurred. That of course is a leak of a classified piece of information so I don’t know how to go beyond just responding to what was put out there but it certainly terrifies what other people have been saying about this, they would not test secret black budget technology in active military training sessions without full awareness of what was going on and that seems to be what Dolan is indicating here.
People love unsolved mysteries  
JohnF : 7/4/2021 1:25 pm : link
Think of all the research and speculation on the Jack the Ripper murders. People love a challenge, even when it's unlikely a solution will be found.

I think UAP's fall under two catagories:

1) Current Military: The US or another country has developed tech that is way ahead of current thought, or this is a disinformation campaign by the military (fake videos or using current tech) to simulate what's been released). It wouldn't be a shock to discover that the goverment has lied about this, or that only people at the highest levels know what's going on.

Why disinformation? Remember what the US did back in the 80's against the USSR with SDI...we drove the Russians into severe debt, enough to wreck their economy, to try and develop counters to SDI, even though SDI was never that good. PsyOps are nothing new. This is the most likely solution, IMO.

2) Aliens? I think that the current concept of Aliens is unlikely (Aliens from another Solar System), but I do think that Time Travel would explain a lot of what we're seeing.

Time Travelers would need to have as little contact/interaction as possible, in order to keep the time line intact. That would explain why the photos are fuzzy (phase shifting would make it hard to focus on them). The "grays" people talk about are basic humanoid shape, and are possible evolutionary (or mutated) versions of humans.

Given enough time, humanity could develop the power systems and science necessary to develop time travel. The reasons to go back in time to study the planet are unclear, but it's possible they are trying to study the status of our biolife (especially the oceans), in order to restore the planet, or learn lessons in terraforming (something we're actually doing now with climate change).

If the UAP's are actually from non humans, they are likely AI drones. That would allow the incredible acceleration that's been reported. Why the drones are collecting information on various planets is another mystery, but Earth might be a target because of the water signature our planet has (something we can now dectect on exo planets with current technology). Water is considered a good indicator of possible life.
RE: You don't..  
mattlawson : 7/4/2021 1:28 pm : link
In comment 15299183 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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seem to get it.

"These things are real". If they are unidentified, that is a really ignorant statement. What do you mean by "real"?

Some of the unidentified items have been deflated balloons. Those are real items, but not noteworthy.

Some of the unidentified things have been optical illusions(such as an array of lights in formation), cloud formations or even shadows. Those aren't real items and aren't noteworthy.

Being real means nothing if you don't know what it is - and the condundrum is if you don't know what it is, even calling it "real" is contradictory.


I don’t think you get it in on the contrary. Authentic footage exists of unidentified craft that are not US military operating in our sensitive air spaces, they are not camera artifacts, they are not lighting affects, they are not birds. They are not balloons. They are intelligent we control physical objects that we don’t know where the fuck they come from, period.

Your military personnel have arrested to their personal experiences as such. The DOD and DNI have corroborated it. Unknown means NOT lightbrite. Not birds. Not balloons. Not secret US tech. It cannot be explained using natural or prosaic means.

What does that leave? It seems we don’t know everything about what’s going on on this planet, let alone what could be out there beyond our limited use the universe.

The great conspiracy, as I’ve noticed in my own professional life and experience, is that the big secret really amounts to the people in power don’t want you to know how little they actually know about what’s going on.
RE: People love unsolved mysteries  
mattlawson : 7/4/2021 1:30 pm : link
In comment 15299197 JohnF said:
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Think of all the research and speculation on the Jack the Ripper murders. People love a challenge, even when it's unlikely a solution will be found.

I think UAP's fall under two catagories:

1) Current Military: The US or another country has developed tech that is way ahead of current thought, or this is a disinformation campaign by the military (fake videos or using current tech) to simulate what's been released). It wouldn't be a shock to discover that the goverment has lied about this, or that only people at the highest levels know what's going on.

Why disinformation? Remember what the US did back in the 80's against the USSR with SDI...we drove the Russians into severe debt, enough to wreck their economy, to try and develop counters to SDI, even though SDI was never that good. PsyOps are nothing new. This is the most likely solution, IMO.

2) Aliens? I think that the current concept of Aliens is unlikely (Aliens from another Solar System), but I do think that Time Travel would explain a lot of what we're seeing.

Time Travelers would need to have as little contact/interaction as possible, in order to keep the time line intact. That would explain why the photos are fuzzy (phase shifting would make it hard to focus on them). The "grays" people talk about are basic humanoid shape, and are possible evolutionary (or mutated) versions of humans.

Given enough time, humanity could develop the power systems and science necessary to develop time travel. The reasons to go back in time to study the planet are unclear, but it's possible they are trying to study the status of our biolife (especially the oceans), in order to restore the planet, or learn lessons in terraforming (something we're actually doing now with climate change).

If the UAP's are actually from non humans, they are likely AI drones. That would allow the incredible acceleration that's been reported. Why the drones are collecting information on various planets is another mystery, but Earth might be a target because of the water signature our planet has (something we can now dectect on exo planets with current technology). Water is considered a good indicator of possible life.


John I think that makes a lot of sense
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/4/2021 1:39 pm : link
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The great conspiracy, as I’ve noticed in my own professional life and experience, is that the big secret really amounts to the people in power don’t want you to know how little they actually know about what’s going on.


That's not really a conspiracy is it? That's just a pithy statement that means nothing.

A conspiracy is an organized effort to disseminate falsehoods by a group working together to hide the real truth.
RE: LOL..  
Zeke's Alibi : 7/4/2021 2:30 pm : link
In comment 15299207 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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The great conspiracy, as I’ve noticed in my own professional life and experience, is that the big secret really amounts to the people in power don’t want you to know how little they actually know about what’s going on.



That's not really a conspiracy is it? That's just a pithy statement that means nothing.

A conspiracy is an organized effort to disseminate falsehoods by a group working together to hide the real truth.


This guy throws a bunch of words he doesn’t understand the meaning to incessantly in an effort to sound like he’s making some sort of intellectual argument.
I'm sure the Aliens  
Mattman : 7/4/2021 2:45 pm : link
will contact us when we develop faster than light propulsion systems. Their prime directive states to not interfere with our development. Right now they are watching us and will make first contact when we get the technology and reach out to us rather than risk us bumping into them out in space.
John…the fact that the most compelling videos and incidents come  
Zeke's Alibi : 7/4/2021 2:52 pm : link
from training exercises really speaks its too some military tech. The Navy doesn’t do a ton of training exercises, in fact it’s pretty rare, most the time it’s just work ups or actual deployments. Why hasn’t any of this been captured during actual live fire situations, which outnumber training exercise time at least 10-1? This is the type of stuff your average person doesn’t know and why I really think this is the military trying to drum up money at and at the same time protecting advanced tech. I’ve heard a radar operator tell me it could conceivably be holographic displays that show up on the actual radar. There lots of tricks you can play on systems.
So if it’s holographic systems that return a radar signal  
mattlawson : 7/4/2021 3:46 pm : link
Is it self imposed? In the case of the Nimitz where the object new the cap point, how do you explain that?
RE: RE: LOL..  
mattlawson : 7/4/2021 3:49 pm : link
In comment 15299221 Zeke's Alibi said:
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In comment 15299207 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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The great conspiracy, as I’ve noticed in my own professional life and experience, is that the big secret really amounts to the people in power don’t want you to know how little they actually know about what’s going on.



That's not really a conspiracy is it? That's just a pithy statement that means nothing.

A conspiracy is an organized effort to disseminate falsehoods by a group working together to hide the real truth.



This guy throws a bunch of words he doesn’t understand the meaning to incessantly in an effort to sound like he’s making some sort of intellectual argument.


Y’all would prolly sit down in a shitty booth while I drink you under the table. It’s them or it’s us. It’s secret is waiting to be revealed one way or another.
RE: RE: You don't..  
Jimmy Googs : 7/4/2021 4:41 pm : link
In comment 15299199 mattlawson said:
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In comment 15299183 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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seem to get it.

"These things are real". If they are unidentified, that is a really ignorant statement. What do you mean by "real"?

Some of the unidentified items have been deflated balloons. Those are real items, but not noteworthy.

Some of the unidentified things have been optical illusions(such as an array of lights in formation), cloud formations or even shadows. Those aren't real items and aren't noteworthy.

Being real means nothing if you don't know what it is - and the condundrum is if you don't know what it is, even calling it "real" is contradictory.



I don’t think you get it in on the contrary. Authentic footage exists of unidentified craft that are not US military operating in our sensitive air spaces, they are not camera artifacts, they are not lighting affects, they are not birds. They are not balloons. They are intelligent we control physical objects that we don’t know where the fuck they come from, period.

Your military personnel have arrested to their personal experiences as such. The DOD and DNI have corroborated it. Unknown means NOT lightbrite. Not birds. Not balloons. Not secret US tech. It cannot be explained using natural or prosaic means.

What does that leave? It seems we don’t know everything about what’s going on on this planet, let alone what could be out there beyond our limited use the universe.

The great conspiracy, as I’ve noticed in my own professional life and experience, is that the big secret really amounts to the people in power don’t want you to know how little they actually know about what’s going on.


You are closer to the truth you seek with lite-brite, birds and balloons versus alleging a ridiculous government cover up.

And not for nothing, our government is made up of a whole lot of working class stiffs and elected professional and educated people you know in everyday life. While it sounds exciting to scream “Conspiracy” from the mountaintop, it’s rarely the right conclusion...
Who are we to judge  
mattlawson : 7/4/2021 5:49 pm : link
Gov can’t be all knowing and all powerful and at the same time completely ignorant and incapable. Particularly the DoD
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Bill2 : 7/4/2021 6:24 pm : link
Of course it can and does.

Tons and tons of examples of this in every nations history and all human institutions
RE: Who are we to judge  
Jimmy Googs : 7/4/2021 9:07 pm : link
In comment 15299316 mattlawson said:
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Gov can’t be all knowing and all powerful and at the same time completely ignorant and incapable. Particularly the DoD


Wake up They aren’t all-anything.

But it’s almost time for fireworks at my club so signing off now. Hopefully nobody mistakes them for UFOs. But you never know….
I just lit off a bunch myself  
mattlawson : 7/4/2021 9:58 pm : link
If they confuse em, fuck em
Looks like everybody reacted normally.  
Jimmy Googs : 7/4/2021 10:15 pm : link
They said cool fireworks and went home.

Nothing to see here…
These kids today  
mattlawson : 7/4/2021 10:31 pm : link
Don’t know what they’re getting - don’t know what they’re missing
RE: These kids today  
Jimmy Googs : 7/4/2021 10:37 pm : link
In comment 15299430 mattlawson said:
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Don’t know what they’re getting - don’t know what they’re missing


They’re using common sense…
This Australian report from the 1950s about US efforts  
mattlawson : 7/6/2021 9:24 am : link
Really interesting reading
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Rice university news with a great post  
mattlawson : 7/6/2021 12:30 pm : link
“ People commonly assumed then that the UFO phenomenon was not serious or was some kind of “California” thing. But that is simply not true, and it has never been true. Some of the earliest and most dramatic documented modern encounters have been around nuclear military sites and in cultures and places like Brazil, France, New Mexico — in the summer of 1945, just a few miles from the recently radiated Trinity atomic bomb site and just a week after the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki — and New England. The latter case involved a mixed-race couple who were civil rights activists, no less. The U.S. military, the U.S. intelligence services, American space exploration, Western colonialism, indigenous American cosmologies, a major Black religion — the Nation of Islam — U.S.-Mexico borderlands, Latin America, American-Soviet and now American-Russian relations, NATO, the aerospace and aviation industries, Western esoteric and mystical currents, science fiction literature and the history of science have all been involved. And that is just the beginning.

To study the UFO phenomenon adequately is, in actual fact, to study pretty much everything. It is also to come up against, hard, the realization that the institutional or university order of knowledge within which we work and think today, an order that effectively splits the sciences off from the humanities, is simply not helpful, and certainly not reflective of the reality we are trying to understand. The difficult truth is that the UFO phenomenon has both an objective “hard” aspect (think fighter jet videos, photographs, alleged metamaterials, apparent advanced propulsion methods, and landing marks) and a subjective “human” aspect (think close encounters, multiple and coordinated visual sightings, altered states of consciousness, visionary displays, often of a most baroque or sci-fi sort, and experienced traumatic or transcendent abductions). And both sides — both the material and the mental dimensions — are incredibly important to get a sense of the full picture.

Of course, one can slice up the UFO phenomenon into the “scientific” and the “humanistic,” but one will never understand it by doing so. That, in the end, is why I think the subject is so incredibly important: it bears a particular power to challenge, or just obliterate, our present order of knowledge and its arbitrary divisions. Whatever “it” is, it simply does not behave according to our rules and assumptions. Period.”
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That is the most incoherent statement...  
BamaBlue : 7/6/2021 12:34 pm : link
I've seen in a long time. That Rice University crap is worse than psycho-babble, it's a desperate cry for psychological intervention.

Matt... if you're trying to convince people and change their way of thinking, you're failing badly.
RE: That is the most incoherent statement...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/6/2021 12:42 pm : link
In comment 15299940 BamaBlue said:
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I've seen in a long time. That Rice University crap is worse than psycho-babble, it's a desperate cry for psychological intervention.

Matt... if you're trying to convince people and change their way of thinking, you're failing badly.


LOL. I was thinking the same exact thing. That write-up read like someone sprinkled in a bunch of large words without even knowing what the meaning was! "Baroque"?? OK

By the way - anyone ever wonder why the UFO's are commonly seen around military installations? Could be they are military?? Nahhhhhh
RE: RE: That is the most incoherent statement...  
giants#1 : 7/6/2021 12:47 pm : link
In comment 15299950 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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In comment 15299940 BamaBlue said:


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I've seen in a long time. That Rice University crap is worse than psycho-babble, it's a desperate cry for psychological intervention.

Matt... if you're trying to convince people and change their way of thinking, you're failing badly.



LOL. I was thinking the same exact thing. That write-up read like someone sprinkled in a bunch of large words without even knowing what the meaning was! "Baroque"?? OK

By the way - anyone ever wonder why the UFO's are commonly seen around military installations? Could be they are military?? Nahhhhhh


I can't imagine how a nuclear explosion could cause people to see things previously unimaginable...
It’s not my role to empty a cup  
mattlawson : 7/6/2021 3:30 pm : link
Which is already full
Another witness to Nimitz has come forward  
mattlawson : 7/6/2021 3:41 pm : link
Via Steven greenstreet of the NY Post
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RE: RE: That is the most incoherent statement...  
Zeke's Alibi : 7/6/2021 3:43 pm : link
In comment 15299950 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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In comment 15299940 BamaBlue said:


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I've seen in a long time. That Rice University crap is worse than psycho-babble, it's a desperate cry for psychological intervention.

Matt... if you're trying to convince people and change their way of thinking, you're failing badly.



LOL. I was thinking the same exact thing. That write-up read like someone sprinkled in a bunch of large words without even knowing what the meaning was! "Baroque"?? OK

By the way - anyone ever wonder why the UFO's are commonly seen around military installations? Could be they are military?? Nahhhhhh


I think mattlawson is Jeffrey Kripal, they have an uncanny similarity in writing styles.
RE: It’s not my role to empty a cup  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/6/2021 3:44 pm : link
In comment 15300111 mattlawson said:
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Which is already full


If I find a cup full of shit, I either rinse it out or throw it away.
That’s the beauty of the forum  
mattlawson : 7/6/2021 4:21 pm : link
Discussion with those with other viewpoints. That you keep coming back tells me otherwise fat man
RE: It’s not my role to empty a cup  
BamaBlue : 7/6/2021 4:26 pm : link
In comment 15300111 mattlawson said:
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Which is already full


You're flooding the zone with the same kind of unreliable or unverifiable 'information' that plagues 'documentary' television shows on UFO's. There is always a hook to these shows that turns-out to be loosely bundled pieces of information that leads to the same villains (the US anti-UFO government cabal) and the same conclusion; "We don't know what it is and it's well beyond our understanding, but we have a good guess... Aliens!"
RE: That’s the beauty of the forum  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/6/2021 4:28 pm : link
In comment 15300143 mattlawson said:
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Discussion with those with other viewpoints. That you keep coming back tells me otherwise fat man


I'm coming back to see if the reference to "facts" have been backed up or that there has been credible images posted to back up the idea that "these things are real". Instead, I'm left with images of Lite-Brite and assorted ramblings that reference the term "Baroque" for some unknown reason....

A cup of shit seems pretty aptly decriptive
Someone explain to me  
mattlawson : 7/6/2021 4:58 pm : link
How the military can claim we dont have this technology, all our personnel and systems were of sound mind and in tact and have captured these incursions - and no one here bats an eye from that.

You’re own government just told you 143/144 events in the last 15 years they looked at remain unexplained.

How are you trying to paint me as some kind of psycho with those points as they are. This is happening right in front of us on real time - not a bad tv show
No one..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/6/2021 5:02 pm : link
is trying to paint you as a psycho.

If anything, you're doing that all on your own. Strings of posts showing nothing. Rambling comments from questionable sources.

This is all on you, Chief.
time travel  
RasputinPrime : 7/6/2021 5:14 pm : link
military tech or some form of alien life. It's a great time to be alive.
RE: No one..  
widmerseyebrow : 7/6/2021 5:22 pm : link
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Strings of posts showing nothing. Rambling comments from questionable sources.


And yet you keep coming back...
RE: RE: No one..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/6/2021 5:23 pm : link
In comment 15300200 widmerseyebrow said:
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Strings of posts showing nothing. Rambling comments from questionable sources.



And yet you keep coming back...


As do you. Is there a fucking point somewhere?
RE: RE: RE: No one..  
widmerseyebrow : 7/6/2021 5:26 pm : link
In comment 15300201 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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As do you. Is there a fucking point somewhere?


Yea, I'm coming to the UFO thread to see UFO content, good bad and in between.

Coming here just to argue and insult for a week? Now that would be psychotic.
Boy am I glad...  
PwndPapi : 7/6/2021 5:43 pm : link
We've removed all that...stigma.

If you read the report from commander Slaight above  
mattlawson : 7/6/2021 5:52 pm : link
He corroborates what two other pilots that witnessed the tic tac in 2004 saw as well as describes the craft hovering, creating a distortion like shimmer around itself, and zipping off to the point no human could have withstood those forces.

So we have here anti-gravitic craft, or unmanned drones capable of those maneuvers back then, or something else that can explain those maneuvers if you take the black project US secret tech stance. I sincerely doubt in 2004 we had perfected that kind of technology - almost on 20 years nothing comes close to that in our inventory.

Unless you think everyone is lying through their teeth here - this is something we only wish we had. Would love the military to come out and say we’re just playing with our toys here - why wouldn’t they of a show of force is what their after. They haven’t.
RE: If you read the report from commander Slaight above  
PwndPapi : 7/6/2021 6:02 pm : link
In comment 15300224 mattlawson said:
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He corroborates what two other pilots that witnessed the tic tac in 2004 saw as well as describes the craft hovering, creating a distortion like shimmer around itself, and zipping off to the point no human could have withstood those forces.

So we have here anti-gravitic craft, or unmanned drones capable of those maneuvers back then, or something else that can explain those maneuvers if you take the black project US secret tech stance. I sincerely doubt in 2004 we had perfected that kind of technology - almost on 20 years nothing comes close to that in our inventory.

Unless you think everyone is lying through their teeth here - this is something we only wish we had. Would love the military to come out and say we’re just playing with our toys here - why wouldn’t they of a show of force is what their after. They haven’t.


Yeah, here's the thing: No civilian knew we had or were developing radar stealth aircraft. The F-117 was in development for over a decade until they were brought into service in 1983 and its widely publicized use in Desert Storm. Up until then, few in the Pentagon even know such aircraft existed and for anyone fortunate enough to see these craft in flight during the late 70s or early 80s, you'd easily think they were alien craft.

Now think about the thousands of projects that never made it to production.

RE: If you read the report from commander Slaight above  
Zeke's Alibi : 7/6/2021 6:02 pm : link
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He corroborates what two other pilots that witnessed the tic tac in 2004 saw as well as describes the craft hovering, creating a distortion like shimmer around itself, and zipping off to the point no human could have withstood those forces.

So we have here anti-gravitic craft, or unmanned drones capable of those maneuvers back then, or something else that can explain those maneuvers if you take the black project US secret tech stance. I sincerely doubt in 2004 we had perfected that kind of technology - almost on 20 years nothing comes close to that in our inventory.

Unless you think everyone is lying through their teeth here - this is something we only wish we had. Would love the military to come out and say we’re just playing with our toys here - why wouldn’t they of a show of force is what their after. They haven’t.


Holographic projections to test the new radar. That would certainly be under the possibility of our secret tech and during a rare training exercise. There is no proof it was a physical object.
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