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So 144 items is .000000017 of the flight

Since the average global flight time is 4 hours then the number is 144 quick incidents out of 3,286,000,000 hours of flying you are obsessing over an yet unclassified incidents that occurred .00000000173 of the time.

If they all happened.

I suspect most of us have a higher chance of seeing dancing elephants while sitting next to Eva Green in the next hour.

For me, this doesn't yet reach even the level of a First World Problem.

I dont think people are objecting to what fascinates you. I think they are prioritizing what matters to their lives.

Once they have made that decision for themselves, then continuing to try to convince them otherwise is someplace between nuts and trolling (a form of nuts).

Maybe you have another interest that someone might be engage in a discussion with you?

In comment 15300232 Zeke's Alibi said:

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Holographic projections to test the new radar. That would certainly be under the possibility of our secret tech and during a rare training exercise. There is no proof it was a physical object.

I'd want to hear the physics behind that theory. Convincing holograms are coming around but in super controlled settings (i.e. a room with special equipment). Doing that out at sea on a clear day in 2004 so that it's vivid enough to four people from two very different perspectives...That might be as much of an undertaking as a physical vehicle performing physics-defying maneuvers.

Then you factor in that it's is picked up by radar and IR...

I still think it's a physical vehicle/drone of some sort.

read. Sorry if this link is one of the hundred already posted.
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It can spoof radar but can’t actually do what fravor or two other pilots saw I. 2004, right?

This is an about prioritization for people meeting us he

not worse. Sorry on behalf of Bill. We

This isn’t about how remote or common these occurrences are for the military, it’s not about prioritizing what goes into the building of the framework to live your life by either. It’s really simple for me - unidentified Ariel phenomena exist, have, and the truth of the matter is finally coming out.

There are people here that saw the Phoenix lights and NOT flares, I’ve seen weird military looking type drones and I’ve seen orbs that take a bit more to explain. Something is happening that has been covered up and laughed at for decades. Compared to all the airline flights on the planet it doesn’t matter how small the % is - if it points to a non-human intelligence all it takes is 1 to be incredibly life changing. Why diminish that?

Believers have been made out to be fools. It stands to reason that as more admissions come out, the more explaining will have to be done going back decades. I don’t know how to government can possibly do that and not look horrible for all they’ve done to discredit and ruin peoples lives trying to drive these stories over the years. It’s the biggest story in the world - and people are proud to keep their heads in the sand on this. Mind boggling

to come out that was not already out there for public consumption; and, any government reports that have come out are so heavily redacted the reports might as well be titled, "Here you go, dunces."

"Only one of these need to be true," is not a compelling argument.

In comment 15300302 PwndPapi said:

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to come out that was not already out there for public consumption; and, any government reports that have come out are so heavily redacted the reports might as well be titled, "Here you go, dunces." "Only one of these need to be true," is not a compelling argument.

I haven’t heard anything from you in response to explain what we’re seeing here to me thats compelling. I was fine with them being unidentified because that’s exactly what they are. They don’t know and neither do you.

Obviously we’re all waiting for the metamaterial release of Info because there would be your physical evidence - but this is an little appetizer for that one.

Whether you believe Col Corso or not - glad these stories keep popping up
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I don't claim to know what they are because I'm not privy to the classified information. Neither are you. It's isn't my job to disprove these are ET. This has been explained to you over and over again and yet you persist with the "well, what ifs" and claiming we're sheep.

You're doing the opposite of what you claimed to be after earlier.

In comment 15299932 mattlawson said:

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“ People commonly assumed then that the UFO phenomenon was not serious or was some kind of “California” thing. But that is simply not true, and it has never been true. Some of the earliest and most dramatic documented modern encounters have been around nuclear military sites and in cultures and places like Brazil, France, New Mexico — in the summer of 1945, just a few miles from the recently radiated Trinity atomic bomb site and just a week after the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki — and New England. The latter case involved a mixed-race couple who were civil rights activists, no less. The U.S. military, the U.S. intelligence services, American space exploration, Western colonialism, indigenous American cosmologies, a major Black religion — the Nation of Islam — U.S.-Mexico borderlands, Latin America, American-Soviet and now American-Russian relations, NATO, the aerospace and aviation industries, Western esoteric and mystical currents, science fiction literature and the history of science have all been involved. And that is just the beginning. To study the UFO phenomenon adequately is, in actual fact, to study pretty much everything. It is also to come up against, hard, the realization that the institutional or university order of knowledge within which we work and think today, an order that effectively splits the sciences off from the humanities, is simply not helpful, and certainly not reflective of the reality we are trying to understand. The difficult truth is that the UFO phenomenon has both an objective “hard” aspect (think fighter jet videos, photographs, alleged metamaterials, apparent advanced propulsion methods, and landing marks) and a subjective “human” aspect (think close encounters, multiple and coordinated visual sightings, altered states of consciousness, visionary displays, often of a most baroque or sci-fi sort, and experienced traumatic or transcendent abductions). And both sides — both the material and the mental dimensions — are incredibly important to get a sense of the full picture. Of course, one can slice up the UFO phenomenon into the “scientific” and the “humanistic,” but one will never understand it by doing so. That, in the end, is why I think the subject is so incredibly important: it bears a particular power to challenge, or just obliterate, our present order of knowledge and its arbitrary divisions. Whatever “it” is, it simply does not behave according to our rules and assumptions. Period.” Link - ( New Window )

what a bunch of psycho-babble nonsense...

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In comment 15300259 Big Al said:

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read. Sorry if this link is one of the hundred already posted. Link - ( New Window )

Pretty cool. If we're taking Navy patents at face value then we also have this "UFO" gravity drive tech figured out already.

Also interesting that Lockheed Martin has been talking about compact fusion reactors in the same timeframe.
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Worth a read
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Another "worth a read" that isn't worth anything, let alone "a read".

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In comment 15300351 mattlawson said:

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This is why I don't trust these guys. In his own report he has tone that isn't consistent at all. He's just another guy that desperately wants to believe.

"The report carefully states that “some” UAPs may be Russian or Chinese, although it plainly acknowledges there is no evidence of that. Notice the report says only “some.” Given that military sightings of these bizarre craft have been occurring since the 1940’s, it seems inconceivable the U.S., Russia, or China can account for the phenomenon in its entirety."

So here he's essentially alluding to the fact its some advanced beings. But then here it's a national security issue and something must be done!

"I suggest we begin by recognizing that the immediate challenge is existential, not academic. It is first and foremost a matter of national security. There is nothing anyone is going to see through a telescope that helps to resolve the issue and the best tools we have available to find answers are, right now, mostly in the hands of the national security community."

What could we possibly do if it's aliens? What can we do other than try to observe and what could possibly be gleaned from just observing? Not much. Real life isn't Indepance Day or The Tomorrow War. They would be so much further advanced than us only hope is that they aren't hostile. And if it's truly aliens that are hostile, we'd be wiped already or they are on their way. Nothing we can do about it.

This is kindof a big deal.
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nigh.

now the term "big deal" has been massively cheapened.

In comment 15300667 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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now the term "big deal" has been massively cheapened.

Direct quote, cheapened is right

"In recent weeks, the author and podcaster Sam Harris, in no fewer than three separate podcasts, has stated repeatedly and unambiguously that someone in or with connections to the U.S. government has personally reached out to him so that he can begin to wrap his brain around the fact that UFOs represent a non-human intelligence and think about how he might help prepare the public for that disclosure."

I mean that could be fucking Lou Elizonda and Tom Delonge by that definition. Dude, this is why nobody trusts your interpretation of data. This is not a big deal at all. Not to mention it's a quote from an entertainer, it's called self-promotion especially when details are light.

Who knew

In comment 15300661 mattlawson said:

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This is kindof a big deal. Link - ( New Window )

I subscribe to Sam Harris' paid podcasts and I've listened to all three of those podcasts. One of those was with Neil de Grasse Tyson, which I cited above. That "article" is editorializing what Harris said - at best.

I suggest you listen to the podcasts. Most sensible folks would not come away with that impression.

In comment 15300681 mattlawson said:

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Who knew

It isn't really a disagreement here. It is the continual confusion on what information you are posting and why you're doing it.

What purpose is emptying your archives of half-baked information serving?

The request made way above on this thread was to show credible information and photos that show concrete evidence and you've provided nothing to meet that criteria.

You took it as a call to flood the page with a bunch of nonsensical shit, especially the Jeffrey Kipral piece (do some investigation on that kook). And to exhibit odd things like the belief in dowsing.

Fact or fiction?
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The last time there was long-going thread on a scientific topic in which expert observations or concerns were dismissed or ridiculed, Coronavirus evolved from a butt of jokes into a global pandemic that has altered the daily lives of nearly everyone on the planet.

Based on that experience I guess I should be expecting the anal probe soon enough.

In comment 15300688 PwndPapi said:

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In comment 15300661 mattlawson said: Quote: This is kindof a big deal. Link - ( New Window ) I subscribe to Sam Harris' paid podcasts and I've listened to all three of those podcasts. One of those was with Neil de Grasse Tyson, which I cited above. That "article" is editorializing what Harris said - at best. I suggest you listen to the podcasts. Most sensible folks would not come away with that impression.

I did listen to the podcasts, 2 of the 3 mentioned. I followed Sam Harris for the better part of a decade and to try to minimize this when he has spent a career Systematically breaking down religious views of all kinds, and leaning hard-core in the pursuit of scientific truth, when he comes out and says something like this which is not an inaccurate take on his comments… it’s a big Fucking deal. Sam Harris is not in the position of making bold claims like that around fringe topics like this especially for clicks.

Combining three quotes into one post, editorializing? I think you’re trying to downplay the ultimate message of what he’s trying to get across

In comment 15300718 mattlawson said:

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In comment 15300688 PwndPapi said: Quote: In comment 15300661 mattlawson said: Quote: This is kindof a big deal. Link - ( New Window ) I subscribe to Sam Harris' paid podcasts and I've listened to all three of those podcasts. One of those was with Neil de Grasse Tyson, which I cited above. That "article" is editorializing what Harris said - at best. I suggest you listen to the podcasts. Most sensible folks would not come away with that impression. I did listen to the podcasts, 2 of the 3 mentioned. I followed Sam Harris for the better part of a decade and to try to minimize this when he has spent a career Systematically breaking down religious views of all kinds, and leaning hard-core in the pursuit of scientific truth, when he comes out and says something like this which is not an inaccurate take on his comments… it’s a big Fucking deal. Sam Harris is not in the position of making bold claims like that around fringe topics like this especially for clicks. Combining three quotes into one post, editorializing? I think you’re trying to downplay the ultimate message of what he’s trying to get across

I think you're searching for any flotsam you can latch onto to make your position appear steady and well reasoned.
Harris' comments are in no way indicative of his beliefs in ETs - one way or another. And no, it's not a big deal.

In comment 15300713 ArtVandelay said:

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Fact or fiction? The Die Glocke - ( New Window )

That specific item - i’ve never seen anything to really blow my hair back on that one. I do think the US got whatever they could from their scientists and it set off a race between US and Russia after the war.

Won’t it. Until then the objective is to keep going

In comment 15300731 mattlawson said:

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Won’t it. Until then the objective is to keep going

Of those you've interacted with on this thread, how many do you think you have convinced of time-traveling beings, ETs, unnatural phenomena, et al? Give me a percentage.

Than in support of UAPs exist and have likely non-human origins in terms of the technology

“ “I’ve received some private outreach, and perhaps you have, I know other people in our orbit have, people who are claiming that the government has known much more about UFOs than they have let on until now, and this conversation is actually about to become more prominent, and … whoever is left standing when the music stops, it’s not going to be a comfortable position to be in as a super rigorous scientific skeptic who’s been saying there’s no there there for the last 75 years.”

In comment 15300735 mattlawson said:

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Than in support of UAPs exist and have likely non-human origins in terms of the technology “ “I’ve received some private outreach, and perhaps you have, I know other people in our orbit have, people who are claiming that the government has known much more about UFOs than they have let on until now, and this conversation is actually about to become more prominent, and … whoever is left standing when the music stops, it’s not going to be a comfortable position to be in as a super rigorous scientific skeptic who’s been saying there’s no there there for the last 75 years.”

Are you for real?

What part of, "I've received some private outreach," leads you to believe a government official specifically selected Sam Harris to usher in the ET era in America? What part of that statement leads you to believe he believes UAPs originate offworld?

Again, you're mischaracterizing what he's saying from, "If it's ETs, it will be interesting," to "I know something you don't".

It's big news only to those who can't read.

In comment 15300734 PwndPapi said:

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In comment 15300731 mattlawson said: Quote: Won’t it. Until then the objective is to keep going Of those you've interacted with on this thread, how many do you think you have convinced of time-traveling beings, ETs, unnatural phenomena, et al? Give me a percentage.

Really hard to say, especially given the circumstances of How the conversation has gone. Had it been in person and I can observe the audience, interact a bit more, I’d have a better idea.

My goal is not really to outright convince, too lofty. Cliche but It’s up to you to decide. all I’m doing is sharing what that I think is not easily debunked data and then hope that makes you think. There’s a lot of information out there that I think most people are not familiar with unless they follow the topic extremely closely, which no one does here I gather. very few do.

There’s been very little feedback here from the gallery except for the trolls and skeptics, typical. I think for a lot of reasons, many people just choose to lurk especially in these topics, but another portion of humanity would not want to be so forthcoming with what they cannot explain and don’t know. That is actually the most fun part of what I do for work - getting people to explain their view of ambiguity and make decisions from there. Here at BBI given the culture - the stakes are so high for being trolled incessantly after you’ve come out and said ‘hey I’m kind of into this fringe topic, what do you all think?’ And you know - who can blame them, it’s sort of a form of social suicide for a lot of people but I really don’t give a shit. Do you think I’m sabotaging myself? You all know absolutely nothing about me other than the fact that I like the Giants, like to fish, am a good cook and like to discuss paranormal NFTs

It would be awesome for people to come out of the woodwork and start saying hey you know what you’ve given us a lot to think about and I had no idea any of this was going on, I had no idea the military was so invested in this kind of disclosure these days, etc. but it probably will not happen.

My genuine hope is something new comes out every day or two so we can keep this thread going.

In comment 15300740 PwndPapi said:

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In comment 15300735 mattlawson said: Quote: Than in support of UAPs exist and have likely non-human origins in terms of the technology “ “I’ve received some private outreach, and perhaps you have, I know other people in our orbit have, people who are claiming that the government has known much more about UFOs than they have let on until now, and this conversation is actually about to become more prominent, and … whoever is left standing when the music stops, it’s not going to be a comfortable position to be in as a super rigorous scientific skeptic who’s been saying there’s no there there for the last 75 years.” Are you for real? What part of, "I've received some private outreach," leads you to believe a government official specifically selected Sam Harris to usher in the ET era in America? What part of that statement leads you to believe he believes UAPs originate offworld? Again, you're mischaracterizing what he's saying from, "If it's ETs, it will be interesting," to "I know something you don't". It's big news only to those who can't read.

Didn’t he say a former government official? Up until this point - Is he credible or not? Why would he lie about that? Why would he risk his reputation and credibility for a couple of podcast points?

Point is - it’s a big fucking deal when a scientist of his stature comes out it and says skeptics are going to be in trouble as disclosure of UFO information comes out.

Why not spend the same effort on a UFO or Aliens Are Coming based website?

Learn more.

Be respected

Be thanked

Make friends

Go to Area 51 together and camp out with telescopes. Then come back in time for the Giants Season.

Why spend time with skeptics and trolls of your topic, hobby and interest? Go enjoy it.

In comment 15300752 mattlawson said:

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In comment 15300740 PwndPapi said: Quote: In comment 15300735 mattlawson said: Quote: Than in support of UAPs exist and have likely non-human origins in terms of the technology “ “I’ve received some private outreach, and perhaps you have, I know other people in our orbit have, people who are claiming that the government has known much more about UFOs than they have let on until now, and this conversation is actually about to become more prominent, and … whoever is left standing when the music stops, it’s not going to be a comfortable position to be in as a super rigorous scientific skeptic who’s been saying there’s no there there for the last 75 years.” Are you for real? What part of, "I've received some private outreach," leads you to believe a government official specifically selected Sam Harris to usher in the ET era in America? What part of that statement leads you to believe he believes UAPs originate offworld? Again, you're mischaracterizing what he's saying from, "If it's ETs, it will be interesting," to "I know something you don't". It's big news only to those who can't read. Didn’t he say a former government official? Up until this point - Is he credible or not? Why would he lie about that? Why would he risk his reputation and credibility for a couple of podcast points? Point is - it’s a big fucking deal when a scientist of his stature comes out it and says skeptics are going to be in trouble as disclosure of UFO information comes out.

I don't think he's lying or risked his reputation because as he didn't say what you think he said. All he's said is that some private entities (he and NDT are acquiantences of) had reached out to him. That's it. You ran with it and inferred a bunch of stuff he's never said.

there was a sighting on Maple Street. Slowing turning from skeptic to full fledged troll.

And yet, they were. Human nature?

In comment 15300762 PwndPapi said:

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In comment 15300752 mattlawson said: Quote: In comment 15300740 PwndPapi said: Quote: In comment 15300735 mattlawson said: Quote: Than in support of UAPs exist and have likely non-human origins in terms of the technology “ “I’ve received some private outreach, and perhaps you have, I know other people in our orbit have, people who are claiming that the government has known much more about UFOs than they have let on until now, and this conversation is actually about to become more prominent, and … whoever is left standing when the music stops, it’s not going to be a comfortable position to be in as a super rigorous scientific skeptic who’s been saying there’s no there there for the last 75 years.” Are you for real? What part of, "I've received some private outreach," leads you to believe a government official specifically selected Sam Harris to usher in the ET era in America? What part of that statement leads you to believe he believes UAPs originate offworld? Again, you're mischaracterizing what he's saying from, "If it's ETs, it will be interesting," to "I know something you don't". It's big news only to those who can't read. Didn’t he say a former government official? Up until this point - Is he credible or not? Why would he lie about that? Why would he risk his reputation and credibility for a couple of podcast points? Point is - it’s a big fucking deal when a scientist of his stature comes out it and says skeptics are going to be in trouble as disclosure of UFO information comes out. I don't think he's lying or risked his reputation because as he didn't say what you think he said. All he's said is that some private entities (he and NDT are acquiantences of) had reached out to him. That's it. You ran with it and inferred a bunch of stuff he's never said.

Why even touch it if you’re him, and he did say it. He literally said it in his own words and of his own volition. Why relay the story all?

In comment 15300782 mattlawson said:

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In comment 15300762 PwndPapi said: Quote: In comment 15300752 mattlawson said: Quote: In comment 15300740 PwndPapi said: Quote: In comment 15300735 mattlawson said: Quote: Than in support of UAPs exist and have likely non-human origins in terms of the technology “ “I’ve received some private outreach, and perhaps you have, I know other people in our orbit have, people who are claiming that the government has known much more about UFOs than they have let on until now, and this conversation is actually about to become more prominent, and … whoever is left standing when the music stops, it’s not going to be a comfortable position to be in as a super rigorous scientific skeptic who’s been saying there’s no there there for the last 75 years.” Are you for real? What part of, "I've received some private outreach," leads you to believe a government official specifically selected Sam Harris to usher in the ET era in America? What part of that statement leads you to believe he believes UAPs originate offworld? Again, you're mischaracterizing what he's saying from, "If it's ETs, it will be interesting," to "I know something you don't". It's big news only to those who can't read. Didn’t he say a former government official? Up until this point - Is he credible or not? Why would he lie about that? Why would he risk his reputation and credibility for a couple of podcast points? Point is - it’s a big fucking deal when a scientist of his stature comes out it and says skeptics are going to be in trouble as disclosure of UFO information comes out. I don't think he's lying or risked his reputation because as he didn't say what you think he said. All he's said is that some private entities (he and NDT are acquiantences of) had reached out to him. That's it. You ran with it and inferred a bunch of stuff he's never said. Why even touch it if you’re him, and he did say it. He literally said it in his own words and of his own volition. Why relay the story all?

Presumably, the vast majority of his listeners are capable of hearing what he's saying without needing to shoehorn his thoughts into their UFO conspiracies.

Happy Roswell anniversary - 7/7/47

within the laws of physics.
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Thanks for that

The ufo experience - a scientific inquiry
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just came across it??

And you had to share?