With all the recent news surrounding UFO sightings (on radar by military aircraft, ships, pilot visuals) not to mention statements by high level government officials around the world, as well as astronauts, I cannot believe the relative lack of attention this is getting in the media. The implications of these events are potentially world changing.
Needless to say, I am fascinated and exited about the possibilities. So what are these vehicles? My list of possibilities are the following; would love to hear anyone else's ideas on this.....
(1) Hoax perpetrated on government/military
(2) Hoax perpetrated by U.S. Govt.
(3) U.S. technology.
(4) Foreign Govt. technology.
(5) Private Industry technology.
(6) Alien technology.
What else could it be?
Yeah I mean this could definitely be the military faking stuff to gin up more funding. Or our pilots/equipment are not as reliable as we think. (Which honestly is probably the most likely outcome.)
So what are these vehicles?
Exactly - nobody knows. HENCE UFOs.
Now everybody jumps right to the conclusion UFOs = Extraterrestrials.
Unidentified means nobody knows what they are ... until the GOVT. can prove they came from somewhere OUTER SPACE - there really is no story.
If there is definitive proof that these things came from another solar system in the milky way or another galaxy, etc ... there is no story.
If there ever becomes any proof that there is beings from another Galaxy etc , ... they will have to rewrite MOST of History and ALL of Religions.
Google navy patents and you’ll see some pretty amazing stuff. Makes ya wonder what kind of things they have that they aren’t putting out there at all. I’d love to see what kind of technology my greatgrandkids get to grow up with (great great great grandkids for some of you old farts around here :) )
Google navy patents and you’ll see some pretty amazing stuff. Makes ya wonder what kind of things they have that they aren’t putting out there at all. I’d love to see what kind of technology my greatgrandkids get to grow up with (great great great grandkids for some of you old farts around here :) )
I agree 100% Eli about your implication/statement that we cannot be all alone in this Universe. That has to be impossible ... that there is no life anywhere else in the Universe.
Hell, there is probably other life in this Galaxy (Milky Way) which is about 100,000 LIGHT YEARS across. I googled it.
My brain cannot even fathom how long that is. Holy crap - if we can develop a space ship that travels 186,000 miles per SECOND, it would take that space ship 100,000 earth calendar years (100,000 years) traveling at 186,000 MILES PER SECOND to get from one side to another. MY brian explodes just thinking about that type of distance.
And that is just 1 FUCKING GALAXY .... How many galaxies are there out there in the Universe.
I can't think about it - my brain wants to stroke (explode) out
It is a big SPACE .... lolol and we are selling land rights on the planet earth - lololollllll ...
of the Cosmos.
My Brain explodes trying to even picture it all but, there has to be other life out there.
I just don't believe the articles and videos (that were released in the last couple of weeks) proves existence of EXTERTERESTIAL life at this point.
Lucy is going to have some "Splaining" to do sooner or later. But, I am sure I will be dead before it happens - it might take another 40 - 50 Billion BLACK HOLES swallowing each other (bringing space closer in) .. to get life closer together? Who knows?
But, there has to be some other life out there than EARTH.
Discovery Magazine - ( New Window )
Things we don't understand but still believe require a certain type of faith. Whether you do or don't believe in life outside of the planet we live on requires faith. So neither position surprises me. Neither pro nor con have any real evidence...
In today's world of hot takes, sensationalism and forced drama the very idea that this isn't getting attention should tell you all you need to know about its legitimacy.
Put some decent evidence up there about UFOs beyond some blurry pictures and it will get some attention. It has only been 70 years and still counting.
So the explanation the entire time has been you would not risk a separate military training mission to test your equipment like this.
It also doesn’t explain the sightings going back decades of identical craft With identical performance
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The fact that so many people think we are the only “intelligent” life out there is quite amusing.
Things we don't understand but still believe require a certain type of faith. Whether you do or don't believe in life outside of the planet we live on requires faith. So neither position surprises me. Neither pro nor con have any real evidence...
In today's world of hot takes, sensationalism and forced drama the very idea that this isn't getting attention should tell you all you need to know about its legitimacy.
Put some decent evidence up there about UFOs beyond some blurry pictures and it will get some attention. It has only been 70 years and still counting.
Apparently much better footage does exist so just be patient. And by the way front page news on the New York Times in 2017 was kind of unprecedented
Yeah I’ve heard that explanation too. Don’t think that’s all there is to it.
Like I said on the previous thread, we don't even have to get into "little green men" to label this as paradigm shifting stuff. If another country is capable of this, is that not of interest?
American technology fails all the time (numerous examples from just Boeing in the last 5 years alone). That's why military systems have redundancy built in and many NASA systems include multiple layers of redundancy.
Many of the artifacts aren't even "failures" of the technology. They're known limitations of the systems.
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in the media?
In today's world of hot takes, sensationalism and forced drama the very idea that this isn't getting attention should tell you all you need to know about its legitimacy.
Put some decent evidence up there about UFOs beyond some blurry pictures and it will get some attention. It has only been 70 years and still counting.
Apparently much better footage does exist so just be patient. And by the way front page news on the New York Times in 2017 was kind of unprecedented
And its 4 years later and where did that unprecedented news story go? Look forward to better footage and coverage on this topic too when there is some credible evidence. And I have plenty of patience and hopefully another 50-60 years left in me, so will be waiting.
Seriously. If UFOlogists would acknowledge the clearly debunked stuff isn't alien in nature, it would lend more credence to their more legit claims.
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Yeah I’ve heard that explanation too. Don’t think that’s all there is to it.
One of the servicemen touched the craft. In the woods. Still think its a lighthouse?
Why do we need to 'trick' our pilots? Isn't a plausible scenario that we're testing out new, advanced technologies and that these technologies might simply be "buggy"? We have deployed military systems with plenty of software/hardware bugs (see JSF)...
I'm confident we're not the only intelligent life in the universe.
I'm also skeptical that any of these blurry images have alien origins.
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In comment 15287212 Greg from LI said:
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Yeah I’ve heard that explanation too. Don’t think that’s all there is to it.
One of the servicemen touched the craft. In the woods. Still think its a lighthouse?
Right, it was a lighthouse. I guess it was built earlier that day too, because it was never noticed before.
I thought that was a pretty reasonable point. It makes me feel these UFOs/UAPs actually being ourselves from the future is a more viable option.
I feel like a fucking crazy person saying "time travelers from the future is more viable than aliens", which is a statement that would have you marked as batshit insane as little as a decade ago.
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if most of this shit happens near our military, isn't the most logical explanation that it's covert military projects? Maybe we can't build crafts like that, but can we trick our pilots and systems into thinking they're seeing alien-like craft? That could be useful in a huge war and perhaps best kept hidden for a "big" war against opponents with legit professional air forces, no?
Why do we need to 'trick' our pilots? Isn't a plausible scenario that we're testing out new, advanced technologies and that these technologies might simply be "buggy"? We have deployed military systems with plenty of software/hardware bugs (see JSF)...
Would you test unproven technology around nuclear assets both in the U.S and abroad you are asking for a disaster to occur. I think whatever this is it's very interested in our nuclear ability and military. It's a real problem with no solution it's almost impossible to study because it's unpredictable and hard to detect. IMO it's a ancient drone or drones that are parked deep in the ocean and come out every once and a while to check on things. Like curiosity on Mars is doing for us.
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In comment 15287221 Mike from SI said:
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if most of this shit happens near our military, isn't the most logical explanation that it's covert military projects? Maybe we can't build crafts like that, but can we trick our pilots and systems into thinking they're seeing alien-like craft? That could be useful in a huge war and perhaps best kept hidden for a "big" war against opponents with legit professional air forces, no?
Why do we need to 'trick' our pilots? Isn't a plausible scenario that we're testing out new, advanced technologies and that these technologies might simply be "buggy"? We have deployed military systems with plenty of software/hardware bugs (see JSF)...
Would you test unproven technology around nuclear assets both in the U.S and abroad you are asking for a disaster to occur. I think whatever this is it's very interested in our nuclear ability and military. It's a real problem with no solution it's almost impossible to study because it's unpredictable and hard to detect. IMO it's a ancient drone or drones that are parked deep in the ocean and come out every once and a while to check on things. Like curiosity on Mars is doing for us.
I don't know what nuclear assets you are referring to, but White Sands Missile Range is a major test facility for missiles (hence the name) and much of the development of nuclear weapons occurred there.
It also depends on what unproven technologies you are talking about. New radar systems? Sure.
I saw something at fairly close distance, in the spring of 1998 (on a rural road near Malvern PA, a suburb of Philly). It's kind of a long story, but long story short: I wasn't on anything at the time and it wasn't anything I'd ever seen before or since (and I'm not exactly a youngin'). It moved slowly and silently over my head and then took off. It wasn't a balloon, airplane, helicopter, Harrier jet, swamp gas or trick of the light.
I saw one craft. It was dark so I couldn't see the exact shape of the craft, but I do know it had a triangle of bright lights (underneath facing down). I pulled over to side of road, turned my car off and rolled down my window to see if I heard anything. There was no sound, at all. It freaked me out. A younger (more adventurous) me might have jumped out of my car, but I had seen "Fire in the Sky" 3-4 years prior, so I stayed in my car.
Wish I could've gotten a photo, but it was before smart phones.
Still don't know what it was; almost 25 years later.
I thought that was a pretty reasonable point. It makes me feel these UFOs/UAPs actually being ourselves from the future is a more viable option.
I feel like a fucking crazy person saying "time travelers from the future is more viable than aliens", which is a statement that would have you marked as batshit insane as little as a decade ago.
This. The Fermi Paradox is pretty convincing to me. Is there intelligent life out there? Probably, but then that life would need to evolve in a way it’s traveling massive distances. There’s also the timeframe issue. If it’s anything I think it’s time travelers. Or it’s the militaries across the world realizing this is good way to drum up money. Follow the money.
The astonishment over why these events aren't a bigger deal really is odd though. As are the claims that aliens have been seen "openly" and that they have the ability to control or shutdown whatever they please. Because something is unexplained doesn't make it nefarious or otherworldly. Some of these posts start veering off into paths that abductions and sightings aren't just recorded now, but that they are common. When neither is true.
I believe there is other intelligent life out there. And if there is that is trying to engage with us, I don't believe it is intentionally fucking with the military or testing our systems. It is likely probing our planet to see what exists, much like we would do.
Trying to tie explanations to unexplained objects really isn't fruitful. It's just unfounded speculation that often takes a snippet of information and uses it to try and prove validity.
“Every day,” Graves said in an interview with CBS’s “60 Minutes” that aired Sunday. “Every day for at least a couple years.”
The retired lieutenant’s matter-of-fact remark stopped “60 Minutes” correspondent Bill Whitaker, who cut in: “Wait a minute. Every day for a couple of years?”
“Mhmm,” Graves replied.
The astonishment over why these events aren't a bigger deal really is odd though. As are the claims that aliens have been seen "openly" and that they have the ability to control or shutdown whatever they please. Because something is unexplained doesn't make it nefarious or otherworldly. Some of these posts start veering off into paths that abductions and sightings aren't just recorded now, but that they are common. When neither is true.
I believe there is other intelligent life out there. And if there is that is trying to engage with us, I don't believe it is intentionally fucking with the military or testing our systems. It is likely probing our planet to see what exists, much like we would do.
Trying to tie explanations to unexplained objects really isn't fruitful. It's just unfounded speculation that often takes a snippet of information and uses it to try and prove validity.
Ultimately I'd also fall into the "I don't really care" category. For all the science fiction I watch I never actually spent much time on thinking "what if they are real". I don't know what that is but that's my attitude towards it. I suspect that aligns with most of the population and why this isn't getting more buzz. There's just too much other stuff happening around us that's definitively real and consuming our time.
“Every day,” Graves said in an interview with CBS’s “60 Minutes” that aired Sunday. “Every day for at least a couple years.”
The retired lieutenant’s matter-of-fact remark stopped “60 Minutes” correspondent Bill Whitaker, who cut in: “Wait a minute. Every day for a couple of years?”
“Mhmm,” Graves replied.
I’m going to tell you why I don’t believe this guy. If this were the case, the amount of scuttlebutt on the ship would be intense. This doesn’t happen in one person vacuum. There would be talk on the bridge and air wing command and control.
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Perhaps because for him and some of his former Navy colleagues, such sightings became a regular occurrence.
“Every day,” Graves said in an interview with CBS’s “60 Minutes” that aired Sunday. “Every day for at least a couple years.”
The retired lieutenant’s matter-of-fact remark stopped “60 Minutes” correspondent Bill Whitaker, who cut in: “Wait a minute. Every day for a couple of years?”
“Mhmm,” Graves replied.
I’m going to tell you why I don’t believe this guy. If this were the case, the amount of scuttlebutt on the ship would be intense. This doesn’t happen in one person vacuum. There would be talk on the bridge and air wing command and control.
I imagine someone would've taken a non-grainy photo of the UFOs during that time as well. And found a way to leak it. Every major news organization in this country would line up for the photos/videos and gladly spend millions to protect their source.
And yet they can't escape detection by our crude (likely by their standards) technologies?
I think if they wanted to be seen, we'd see them openly.
I think if they didn't want to be seen, we'd never see them.
This "we catch intriguing glimpses of them", doesn't make any sense to me IF these "UFOs" are actually extraterrestrials.
How do you know they "don't want to be seen"?
You keep posting in these absolutes based on your version of what you think they would do which is a bit absurd if they truly are Aliens.
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... we can't even comprehend.
And yet they can't escape detection by our crude (likely by their standards) technologies?
I think if they wanted to be seen, we'd see them openly.
I think if they didn't want to be seen, we'd never see them.
This "we catch intriguing glimpses of them", doesn't make any sense to me IF these "UFOs" are actually extraterrestrials.
How do you know they "don't want to be seen"?
You keep posting in these absolutes based on your version of what you think they would do which is a bit absurd if they truly are Aliens.
Well, if they wanted to be seen, why haven't we seen them yet?
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In comment 15287022 Trainmaster said:
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... we can't even comprehend.
And yet they can't escape detection by our crude (likely by their standards) technologies?
I think if they wanted to be seen, we'd see them openly.
I think if they didn't want to be seen, we'd never see them.
This "we catch intriguing glimpses of them", doesn't make any sense to me IF these "UFOs" are actually extraterrestrials.
How do you know they "don't want to be seen"?
You keep posting in these absolutes based on your version of what you think they would do which is a bit absurd if they truly are Aliens.
Well, if they wanted to be seen, why haven't we seen them yet?
Because not a lot of people live in the middle of nowhere...
Because that is where you find the type that say they saw a UFO...
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... we can't even comprehend.
And yet they can't escape detection by our crude (likely by their standards) technologies?
I think if they wanted to be seen, we'd see them openly.
I think if they didn't want to be seen, we'd never see them.
This "we catch intriguing glimpses of them", doesn't make any sense to me IF these "UFOs" are actually extraterrestrials.
How do you know they "don't want to be seen"?
You keep posting in these absolutes based on your version of what you think they would do which is a bit absurd if they truly are Aliens.
I agree about the absolutes.
Is it possible they just don't care very much if they're seen, on occasion?
Maybe the longer they're here, the more careless they may've gotten or the more they don't care if they're seen?
I'm not outright rejecting it. I'm 100% open to it, I just want verifiable proof of aliens, not situations with plausible explanations.
The iPhone was released in 2007 and there are supposedly "daily encounters" with alien UFOs, yet no one has managed to capture a HD photo/video of one?
I can’t see it being another country. No one else spends on that stuff as much as us as far as we know. I could see private industry doing it for sure.
But I believe we’re not alone so I could see a non-human form surveying/guiding us to an extent. I’ve always been a fan of the theory that they are below the surface of our oceans, we know less about there than we know about space. I wouldn’t be surprised by anything honestly.
Just gonna live my life and if there are aliens, I hope I’m around for that world changing event.
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In comment 15287022 Trainmaster said:
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... we can't even comprehend.
And yet they can't escape detection by our crude (likely by their standards) technologies?
I think if they wanted to be seen, we'd see them openly.
I think if they didn't want to be seen, we'd never see them.
This "we catch intriguing glimpses of them", doesn't make any sense to me IF these "UFOs" are actually extraterrestrials.
How do you know they "don't want to be seen"?
You keep posting in these absolutes based on your version of what you think they would do which is a bit absurd if they truly are Aliens.
Well, if they wanted to be seen, why haven't we seen them yet?
How do you know we haven't? No one in Govt has said these sightings "Are not Aliens". They're saying we don't know what they are.
Thank you, you said it much better than me. We can't view this via our intelligence and scientific levels given that we barely understand the Universe