NFT: UFO's

The U.S.'s F-35s cost $80 M per jet. If we possessed the technology for instantaneous acceleration, instantaneous stopping, the capability of dropping from 80,000 feet to sea level in less than a second etc... Why are we pouring that amount of money into F-35s that fly around on jet fuel with pilots who can only handle about 9gs at most?

In comment 15287527 Bold Ruler said:

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The U.S.'s F-35s cost $80 M per jet. If we possessed the technology for instantaneous acceleration, instantaneous stopping, the capability of dropping from 80,000 feet to sea level in less than a second etc... Why are we pouring that amount of money into F-35s that fly around on jet fuel with pilots who can only handle about 9gs at most?

Look, I haven’t studied this and I’m just talking. But maybe there are some downsides to that technology in terms of weaponry? I don’t know, like I said I’m just BSing here. But there’s just sooo much money being poured into that industry that I wouldn’t be surprised by the extent of the technology they’re still trying to master.

In comment 15287527 Bold Ruler said:

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The U.S.'s F-35s cost $80 M per jet. If we possessed the technology for instantaneous acceleration, instantaneous stopping, the capability of dropping from 80,000 feet to sea level in less than a second etc... Why are we pouring that amount of money into F-35s that fly around on jet fuel with pilots who can only handle about 9gs at most?

The physical pilot in a fighter jet is there for moral reasons as much as anything else at this point. We have drone's capable of launching precision munitions and could develop unmanned fighters as well (which would actually significantly reduce the cost) but it makes it a lot easier to go to war when you aren't risking actual human lives.
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isn’t a given that aliens would come in or use space ships. That assumption could just be us using a common frame of reference to try and understand how they travel. They may have evolved to the point where they are pure consciousness, and therefore don’t need space ships or even bodies.

I doubt whether the Chinese or Russians could develop technologies capable of what we are witnessing, or that they could keep them a secret.

As someone said, one of the biggest problems is that intelligent life will likely evolve at entirely different times on different planets. An alien species visiting just a million years ago would have found nothing except early primates. We may not even be here a thousand years from now. The Earth is about 4.5 billion years old. That is just one of many plausible reasons to be skeptical about claims that we have been visited by extraterrestrials.

...deep hit off bong - yeah, these are quantum machines - it's the only way to explain such rapid movements, and why are they mostly appearing where our military can film them? It's intentional man, I mean it's GOT to be US!!... cough, COUGH!

is that any alien species technologically advanced enough to travel across galaxies to visit us would clearly be advanced enough to avoid detection. That seems quite reasonable. But there's an implicit assumption buried in there, that the aliens would want to avoid being detected. Maybe they don't care whether we can see them.

Prime Directive.

In comment 15287635 BlackLight said:

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is that any alien species technologically advanced enough to travel across galaxies to visit us would clearly be advanced enough to avoid detection. That seems quite reasonable. But there's an implicit assumption buried in there, that the aliens would want to avoid being detected. Maybe they don't care whether we can see them.

I take for granted that they just don’t care.

.Just stay out of Bayonne and you'll be OK (always good advice)

They are depicted in paintings hundreds of years old. It may be that being casually observed is not of major concern.

because whether the government admits it or not, we all know it's true. The government admitting it does not change anything.

What would be more interesting is if the government shows us what they are hiding at Area 51. The vehicles they've captured, the videos they have of beings in the vehicles, etc.

And to tell you the truth, it would only be mildly more interesting.

Whatever is out there, is pretty much just observing us. If they wanted more, it would be done already, and we wouldn't have much to say about it. We are like ants on the countertop to these beings. The government involvement doesn't change any of this. The aliens will continue to observe us. There is not going to be a giant coming out party, where we all suddenly have access to all this amazing technology and can book trips to other planets.

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American technology fails all the time (numerous examples from just Boeing in the last 5 years alone). That's why military systems have redundancy built in and many NASA systems include multiple layers of redundancy. Many of the artifacts aren't even "failures" of the technology. They're known limitations of the systems.

I agree that technology failure does happen. I could believe one plane having some kind of malfunction and one pilot being confused.

I find it hard to believe an entire carrier group is having a malfunction across multiple systems and multiple veteran pilots are misidentifying another fighter jet with both their eyes and their equipment (which is what you would have to believe to buy Mick West's debunking theory).

I encourage you to watch the Chris Lehto videos I linked above. You have to be pretty sharp before they let you fly these multi million dollar aircraft.

In comment 15287657 widmerseyebrow said:

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In comment 15287269 giants#1 said: Quote: American technology fails all the time (numerous examples from just Boeing in the last 5 years alone). That's why military systems have redundancy built in and many NASA systems include multiple layers of redundancy. Many of the artifacts aren't even "failures" of the technology. They're known limitations of the systems. I agree that technology failure does happen. I could believe one plane having some kind of malfunction and one pilot being confused. I find it hard to believe an entire carrier group is having a malfunction across multiple systems and multiple veteran pilots are misidentifying another fighter jet with both their eyes and their equipment (which is what you would have to believe to buy Mick West's debunking theory). I encourage you to watch the Chris Lehto videos I linked above. You have to be pretty sharp before they let you fly these multi million dollar aircraft.

I watched the video of his "debunking" GoFast. It wasn't worth the time.

Just because they are advanced way beyond our current capabilities, it doesn't mean that the human race isn't on an even greater trajectory of technological accomplishment. Perhaps given the relatively short time we have had to evolve as a species compared to this alien civilization, maybe we are the more exceptional species...and they understand that.
Hence the interest.

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that is so classified that high ranking people in our government aren't privy to...is a possibility.

Of course it’s just a conspiracy theory but doesn’t mean it isn’t true. Supposedly the German’s had developed technology toward the end of WW2 where disc shaped objects could take off/land vertically, hover, and travel a very high rates of speed. After the war these same scientist were recruited by our intelligence agencies to continue the development of a top secret space program that is far more advanced than anything NASA is doing.

He’s a FOIA nut.

"What's fascinating to me is UFOs have always been the most difficult, but also the most easily proven cover-up by the true definition of the word out of anything that I've tackled."

John Greenewald @blackvaultcom on the UFO "cover-up".

when studying wildlife. We don't eliminate every animal that makes eye contact with us or runs into one of our cameras.

Doesn't seem far fetched to think of a hypothetical advanced species wanting to avoid detection, but not caring that much if they are.

LAWMAKERS in Congress will be briefed today on the findings of the highly anticipated Pentagon report into UFOs, as one representative claims the aircraft must be from space, and not Russian technology.

US intelligence experts have produced a dossier on what the government knows about unidentified aerial phenomena, examining whether decades of orb sightings constitute a national security threat.
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Is how big are these things?

I've never seen that discussed, which seems like an important aspect. But admittedly, I haven't dug too deep looking for that answer.

In comment 15287727 ron mexico said:

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Is how big are these things? I've never seen that discussed, which seems like an important aspect. But admittedly, I haven't dug too deep looking for that answer.

I think the tic-tac, according to the pilots, was about 40 ft. long.

This New Yorker article does an incredible job of capturing the unfolding over the decades. Really worth a read when you have the time
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In comment 15287527 Bold Ruler said:

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The U.S.'s F-35s cost $80 M per jet. If we possessed the technology for instantaneous acceleration, instantaneous stopping, the capability of dropping from 80,000 feet to sea level in less than a second etc... Why are we pouring that amount of money into F-35s that fly around on jet fuel with pilots who can only handle about 9gs at most?

Military
Industrial
Complex
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i.e Too much money changing hands

Required reading.
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In comment 15287697 widmerseyebrow said:

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when studying wildlife. We don't eliminate every animal that makes eye contact with us or runs into one of our cameras. Doesn't seem far fetched to think of a hypothetical advanced species wanting to avoid detection, but not caring that much if they are.

Exactly. I mean we go on Safari's and explore undeveloped regions of the earth. And those that do it try not to insert themselves into the ecosystem other than to observe. But they aren't overly concerned if the Zebra's see them. Aliens may very well view us the same way.

In comment 15287669 ArtVandelay said:

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In comment 15286878 allstarjim said: Quote: that is so classified that high ranking people in our government aren't privy to...is a possibility. Of course it’s just a conspiracy theory but doesn’t mean it isn’t true. Supposedly the German’s had developed technology toward the end of WW2 where disc shaped objects could take off/land vertically, hover, and travel a very high rates of speed. After the war these same scientist were recruited by our intelligence agencies to continue the development of a top secret space program that is far more advanced than anything NASA is doing.

We didn't recruit them as much as capture them and make them work for us. Warner Von Braun was essentially the creator of NASA and he was the head of the NAZI's science/aeronautical program during the war. He eventually created the long range rocket engine and was part of (I believe) executing the first US manned space mission.

I believe it was Braun who also thought that a compelling way to take over the world would be to create a "fake" alien invasion. He thought it would be the best way to control the public and consolidate power.

are capable of cognitive thought. Aliens would know this, and would therefore likely not want us detecting them overtly, especially since they would correctly deduce that as a species we are likely too immature, violent, and fearful to rationally handle proof that we have been visited by extraterrestrials. But they might occasionally nonetheless partially reveal themselves in a way we cannot completely verify in order to test our response and reaction. Doing so could easily be part of their overall observation mission.

would not feel comfortable with giving a psychological profile of the thought process of an alien without at least one in depth interview.

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would not feel comfortable with giving a psychological profile of the thought process of an alien without at least one in depth interview.

Also we need to see what they look like. You know, for the psych profile and all that.

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In comment 15287862 Big Al said: Quote: would not feel comfortable with giving a psychological profile of the thought process of an alien without at least one in depth interview. Also we need to see what they look like. You know, for the psych profile and all that.

I think most would go with what as know as the “greys”. I think they are the ones skilled in anal probes.

I believe that 'aliens' do exist. Not in the way that mainstream media refers to them or describes them but from a theological framework. In the book of Genesis, we are told that we did have visitors once before- not from another planet, but from another realm. Spiritual beings (fallen angels) that came and dwelled with men. I believe the recent uptick in attention regarding UFO's is a deception by these spiritual beings that works towards a biblical agenda (biblical prophecy).

media referrals. I spent last night reading up on Paul Bennewitz after Mirage Men. Ordered a new book called Saucers, Spooks& Kooks - UFO Disinformation in the Age of Aquarius. Looks really interesting.


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In comment 15287928 Football Giants said:

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I believe that 'aliens' do exist. Not in the way that mainstream media refers to them or describes them but from a theological framework. In the book of Genesis, we are told that we did have visitors once before- not from another planet, but from another realm. Spiritual beings (fallen angels) that came and dwelled with men. I believe the recent uptick in attention regarding UFO's is a deception by these spiritual beings that works towards a biblical agenda (biblical prophecy).

That's an interesting perspective.

On another note, I am flabbergasted this is not getting more attention.

In comment 15287938 Mike from SI said:

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In comment 15287928 Football Giants said: Quote: I believe that 'aliens' do exist. Not in the way that mainstream media refers to them or describes them but from a theological framework. In the book of Genesis, we are told that we did have visitors once before- not from another planet, but from another realm. Spiritual beings (fallen angels) that came and dwelled with men. I believe the recent uptick in attention regarding UFO's is a deception by these spiritual beings that works towards a biblical agenda (biblical prophecy). That's an interesting perspective. On another note, I am flabbergasted this is not getting more attention.

I think the government investigation of this theory is super top secret.

In comment 15287942 Big Al said:

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In comment 15287938 Mike from SI said: Quote: In comment 15287928 Football Giants said: Quote: I believe that 'aliens' do exist. Not in the way that mainstream media refers to them or describes them but from a theological framework. In the book of Genesis, we are told that we did have visitors once before- not from another planet, but from another realm. Spiritual beings (fallen angels) that came and dwelled with men. I believe the recent uptick in attention regarding UFO's is a deception by these spiritual beings that works towards a biblical agenda (biblical prophecy). That's an interesting perspective. On another note, I am flabbergasted this is not getting more attention. I think the government investigation of this theory is super top secret.

I meant the UFOs being "real" in general.

In comment 15287942 Big Al said:

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In comment 15287938 Mike from SI said: Quote: In comment 15287928 Football Giants said: Quote: I believe that 'aliens' do exist. Not in the way that mainstream media refers to them or describes them but from a theological framework. In the book of Genesis, we are told that we did have visitors once before- not from another planet, but from another realm. Spiritual beings (fallen angels) that came and dwelled with men. I believe the recent uptick in attention regarding UFO's is a deception by these spiritual beings that works towards a biblical agenda (biblical prophecy). That's an interesting perspective. On another note, I am flabbergasted this is not getting more attention. I think the government investigation of this theory is super top secret.

Yeah, super. Of all things they should be focused on, this goes right to the top of the list.

Our government…

In comment 15287669 ArtVandelay said:

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In comment 15286878 allstarjim said: Quote: that is so classified that high ranking people in our government aren't privy to...is a possibility. Of course it’s just a conspiracy theory but doesn’t mean it isn’t true. Supposedly the German’s had developed technology toward the end of WW2 where disc shaped objects could take off/land vertically, hover, and travel a very high rates of speed. After the war these same scientist were recruited by our intelligence agencies to continue the development of a top secret space program that is far more advanced than anything NASA is doing.

Look into the Nazi's Die Glocke, and then the Kecksburg PA UFO incident. There are a lot of alleged similarities between the two, which could lend credence to the further work on WW2 objects, and the work being furthered here in the U.S.

In comment 15287938 Mike from SI said:

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In comment 15287928 Football Giants said: Quote: I believe that 'aliens' do exist. Not in the way that mainstream media refers to them or describes them but from a theological framework. In the book of Genesis, we are told that we did have visitors once before- not from another planet, but from another realm. Spiritual beings (fallen angels) that came and dwelled with men. I believe the recent uptick in attention regarding UFO's is a deception by these spiritual beings that works towards a biblical agenda (biblical prophecy). That's an interesting perspective. On another note, I am flabbergasted this is not getting more attention.

There’s been podcasts dealing with this topic in the past year - really interesting.

I'm super impressed with the discussion and links and information being exchanged here. Very informative for someone who may not know much about this.

"The 1933 UFO crash in Italy recently mentioned by Lue Elizondo, has connections to Rendlesham Forest, mysterious deaths of scientists and Regans Star Wars Program."
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In comment 15288931 mattlawson said:

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In comment 15287938 Mike from SI said: Quote: In comment 15287928 Football Giants said: Quote: I believe that 'aliens' do exist. Not in the way that mainstream media refers to them or describes them but from a theological framework. In the book of Genesis, we are told that we did have visitors once before- not from another planet, but from another realm. Spiritual beings (fallen angels) that came and dwelled with men. I believe the recent uptick in attention regarding UFO's is a deception by these spiritual beings that works towards a biblical agenda (biblical prophecy). That's an interesting perspective. On another note, I am flabbergasted this is not getting more attention. There’s been podcasts dealing with this topic in the past year - really interesting.

Podcasts about that fallen angel stuff?

The Nephilim

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"The 1933 UFO crash in Italy recently mentioned by Lue Elizondo, has connections to Rendlesham Forest, mysterious deaths of scientists and Regans Star Wars Program." Link - ( New Window )

Recently on somewhere in the skies it was suggested that part of the story that is very little known is that one military officer did not come back. It goes a little far to say that an abduction happened but Apparently there is a deep rabbit hole then I was aware of until recently.

All of those officers were basically separated all over the country and disbanded from their unit, Halt relatively recently gave a pretty good interview about it.

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I'm super impressed with the discussion and links and information being exchanged here. Very informative for someone who may not know much about this.

I’ve been into this for basically 20 years. During graduate school staying up all night I used to listen to coast to coast in my studio it was so much fun, borderline addicting. There are multiple podcast now they do the best of coast to coast with our pool which are always great to look back 15-20 years and listen to these things again, as well as the more recent ones where they take 20 minute chunks out of the more recent shows and put them on.

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The Nephilim

I think bringing religious stuff into an essentially scientific discussion will turn a lot of people off. Sort of like bringing Creationism into a serious discussion of the details of evolution. Just saying. I like freedom of speech:

In comment 15289026 mattlawson said:

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In comment 15288935 kelsto811 said: Quote: I'm super impressed with the discussion and links and information being exchanged here. Very informative for someone who may not know much about this. I’ve been into this for basically 20 years. During graduate school staying up all night I used to listen to coast to coast in my studio it was so much fun, borderline addicting. There are multiple podcast now they do the best of coast to coast with our pool which are always great to look back 15-20 years and listen to these things again, as well as the more recent ones where they take 20 minute chunks out of the more recent shows and put them on.

I'd love to see those best of coast to coast segments, that would be great as I used to listen to those all the time too. There's so many good podcasts out there for UFO stuff now. Lue Elizondo actually spoke about how they theorize UAP technology may work on Max Moszkowicz's podcast and the whole interview is spectacular. His podcast, mystery wire, somewhere in the skies, project unity, spaced out radio, and tons of other ones. The one guy I really don't like is Jimmy Church but I'll still listen to him when he has interesting guests on.

Regardless of the pres who started it but isn't the creation of a Space Force kind of a big clue towards something?

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"The 1933 UFO crash in Italy recently mentioned by Lue Elizondo, has connections to Rendlesham Forest, mysterious deaths of scientists and Regans Star Wars Program." Link - ( New Window )

There is an old newspaper article from I think 1904 or so, in either Texas or maybe Oklahoma, about a craft that crashed with a tiny man not of this world killed in the crash. They buried him under a tree on the farm where it hit the windmill. They even had a grave stone for him. Of course they tried to go dig him up recently but there is nothing there. The craft pieces were dumped in a well on the property. The well is apparently highly radioactive.

The reason this one is fascinating is because it was before we were flying, and humans weren't really on alert about Aliens since the phenomenon didn't carry the stigma of today. The article is casually written and that is what leads me to believe that it's real.

In comment 15289041 bradshaw44 said:

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In comment 15288938 kelsto811 said: Quote: "The 1933 UFO crash in Italy recently mentioned by Lue Elizondo, has connections to Rendlesham Forest, mysterious deaths of scientists and Regans Star Wars Program." Link - ( New Window ) There is an old newspaper article from I think 1904 or so, in either Texas or maybe Oklahoma, about a craft that crashed with a tiny man not of this world killed in the crash. They buried him under a tree on the farm where it hit the windmill. They even had a grave stone for him. Of course they tried to go dig him up recently but there is nothing there. The craft pieces were dumped in a well on the property. The well is apparently highly radioactive. The reason this one is fascinating is because it was before we were flying, and humans weren't really on alert about Aliens since the phenomenon didn't carry the stigma of today. The article is casually written and that is what leads me to believe that it's real.

Yup, I know exactly what you are talking about. In fact the place where documents on it was said to be housed just burnt down within the last month. I think if anything was there, it would have been disclosed already but the article is interesting.

In comment 15289056 kelsto811 said:

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In comment 15289041 bradshaw44 said: Quote: In comment 15288938 kelsto811 said: Quote: "The 1933 UFO crash in Italy recently mentioned by Lue Elizondo, has connections to Rendlesham Forest, mysterious deaths of scientists and Regans Star Wars Program." Link - ( New Window ) There is an old newspaper article from I think 1904 or so, in either Texas or maybe Oklahoma, about a craft that crashed with a tiny man not of this world killed in the crash. They buried him under a tree on the farm where it hit the windmill. They even had a grave stone for him. Of course they tried to go dig him up recently but there is nothing there. The craft pieces were dumped in a well on the property. The well is apparently highly radioactive. The reason this one is fascinating is because it was before we were flying, and humans weren't really on alert about Aliens since the phenomenon didn't carry the stigma of today. The article is casually written and that is what leads me to believe that it's real. Yup, I know exactly what you are talking about. In fact the place where documents on it was said to be housed just burnt down within the last month. I think if anything was there, it would have been disclosed already but the article is interesting.

Oh wow, I didn't know that. A little more mystery to stir the pot!