It's a shame a surging player like Glasnow is now hurt and will likely miss the rest of the season if not more. His take is interesting. He is saying he has had trouble gripping the very slick balls the last few weeks since MLB started cracking down on pitchers using foreign substances. He's not even saying they shouldn't be banned. But, he is saying MLB's reaction is a knee jerk one by forcing pitchers to change in the middle of the season. I agree with him.
Instead, they keep trying the wrong way.
You chose to break the rules. Don’t whine when the cops crack down on enforcement. Don’t do the crime if you cant do the time.
You chose to break the rules. Don’t whine when the cops crack down on enforcement. Don’t do the crime if you cant do the time.
I don't think they should be using the stuff they are. But, I also don't think a rule change and a crackdown ar =e the way to go right now. Do it early in the offseason for next year.
Yes, I'm sure they are. This is world-class whining. Honestly, these players are hard to like. Whining about not being able to cheat. STFU and be a real ballplayer.
Long story short, pitchers have always used something. The problem isn't that they used something. The problem is to the extent it has gone to. So now as pitchers have always used something for basically their whole career you are now say no you can't use anything. That is the problem. The easy solution is to work with the players union and come up with an approved substance agreed to by all players, not just pitchers. Instead they go in an immediate direction and pitchers have no time to adjust. And when I say immediate, I mean immediate based on the fact that they got caught and had to do something. This has been going on for years. The Yankees knew it about Houston years ago. Boone made a reference to it without getting specific. This is like taking gloves away from WRs in the NFL or batting gloves/pine tar for hitters. The difference is the torque that pitchers throw with could have an impact on their arms.
In comment 15287239 robbieballs2003 said:
Long story short, hitters have always used something. The problem isn't that they used something. The problem is to the extent it has gone to. So now as hitters have always used something for basically their whole career you are now say no you can't use anything. That is the problem. The easy solution is to work with the players union and come up with an approved substance agreed to by all players, not just hitters. Instead they go in an immediate direction and Barry Bonds gets a big target on his back. And when I say immediate, I mean immediate based on the fact that they leaked supposedly anonymous test results and players paid the price for retroactive postive tests. This has been going on for years. Everyone knew it. This is like taking weights away from linemen in the NFL. The difference is the wear and tear on their bodies without supplements will shorten their career.
In comment 15287239 robbieballs2003 said:
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For as long as forever, hitters have used substances to improve their ability to hit the ball. Listen to the old players talk. It was always something that was happening. I heard a comment the other day that the starts low in the minors. The TEAMS are buying the stuff and having their players use it by managers and coaches. More success at a lower level means the coaches move up with the players. There was a story about Babe Ruth injecting himself with an extract from sheep testicles to gain an edge.
Long story short, hitters have always used something. The problem isn't that they used something. The problem is to the extent it has gone to. So now as hitters have always used something for basically their whole career you are now say no you can't use anything. That is the problem. The easy solution is to work with the players union and come up with an approved substance agreed to by all players, not just hitters. Instead they go in an immediate direction and Barry Bonds gets a big target on his back. And when I say immediate, I mean immediate based on the fact that they leaked supposedly anonymous test results and players paid the price for retroactive postive tests. This has been going on for years. Everyone knew it. This is like taking weights away from linemen in the NFL. The difference is the wear and tear on their bodies without supplements will shorten their career.
Should have expanded my point by doing this...
Players cheat. Always have, always will. The league eventually cracks down on it once the pressure mounts.
This is nothing new.
If you supported the witchhunt on PED users, then you have to support this.
If you didn't, then you can criticize this.
We need consistency on this topic because it's the same damn thing.
(BTW the mud is from the Delaware River)
It does change the game. And the reason doctoring the ball is not legal is exactly why the pitchers have a huge advantage while doing so, which we have seen. Breaking balls don't break as much, two seamers don't ride as far and four seamers don't rise as much(well drop less). Not so long ago, catchers never allowed balls scuffed up to be taken out of the game and sometimes would cut the ball on a shin guard buckle.
The mud is used to remove the waxy surface of the horse hide. I guess the umps will need to really rub the balls up now and not just dab some mud on the balls...
Does that mean the league has no right to crack down on steroid users? Or they have no right to crack down on pitchers using foreign substances? Or no right to crack down on teams stealing signs in a manner they don’t approve of?
Hardly. If you can’t pitch without using foreign substances, you can’t pitch. Boo hoo. The guy is injured every year. His career high is 14 starts, which is about 40% of a season.
Does that mean the league has no right to crack down on steroid users? Or they have no right to crack down on pitchers using foreign substances? Or no right to crack down on teams stealing signs in a manner they don’t approve of?
Hardly. If you can’t pitch without using foreign substances, you can’t pitch. Boo hoo. The guy is injured every year. His career high is 14 starts, which is about 40% of a season.
Actually, robbie's post was not ridiculous. What he said is correct. In the case of steroids, the league slowly worked to a complete ban, and it took several years to do it.
This was a snap decision. Most are not saying to ignore it. Many are saying the league should, or should have made the enforcement over the winter. Numbers were ridiculously down and they crapped their pants.
Wow a whole week to adjust.
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the new rule goes into effect June 21. The league did give time for pitchers to “adjust to not cheating.” If we are to believe that Glasgow’s injury was a result of his inability to adjust to not cheating, then oh well. He gets injured all the time. If you can’t pitch honest baseball without getting injured, you don’t belong in the league. You deserve to flame out
Wow a whole week to adjust.
Lol. How much time do you need to adjust to not doing something you shouldn’t have been doing to begin with?
The mistake baseball is making is limiting the checks for the pitchers, its a rather half assed way to enforce. Go full throttle or don't. And this wait until next year to catch me cheating business is nonsense. If you don't think you can safely pitch, go on a DL stint and work it out until you have your confidence, plenty of other guys will take the mound in your absence.
Do you really think MLB was going to go into the 2021 playoffs, hell the ASG, with this hanging over their heads? They had a growing scandal on their hands and something had to be done now.
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Should say could appear like Cinderella at midnight. That reads wrong. I think a guy like Cole may see his numbers go down some, but has a track record. A guy like Bauer may regress to what he was before. The others who knows.
But they should do it to maximize player safety. Was it really a necessity that it was done in-season (as if it hasn't been going on forever?)
I don't understand why there should be any substance at all - and look forward to batters having a chance again. Unless, of course, we see pitchers get so wild that more players start getting hit. But I'd hope this would occur over the course of the offseason so that players can spend time with their coaches adjusting their grips and making sure they're being safe.
I love Bauer, and he's spot on. MLB didn't think this through well. I align with their intentions, horrible execution.
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I love Bauer, and he's spot on. MLB didn't think this through well. I align with their intentions, horrible execution.
agreed
Having said that, MLB handled this, like all things, in about the worst possible manner.
That can be true and he can still be full of shit.
The claim is that the Delaware river mud is supposed to do that..
One reason this whole thing pisses me off is I wish I had a better grip as a 17 year old throwing high 80s in HS... then I wouldn't have hit so many kids.. lol.
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It was a snap decision. According to Glasgow and some others, players were told this year would be status quo as far as any changes would go. That included the ghost runner on 2nd starting extra innings and 7 inning double headers, as well as no changes to what pitchers use for a better grip.
MLB made it known they weren’t happy with some of the grip enhancers but would deal with it in the coming off season.
I don’t know what effect this will have as far as injuries go, and listening to Glasgow it seems possible going without his sunscreen/rosin combo made him grip the ball tighter and could very well have caused a strain on his arm.
I do know early on pitchers were complaining about the seams on the balls this year and how they’re wound so tight they almost can’t even feel them. Seems to me no matter how well they’re rubbed up pre game by umps, if a pitcher can’t feel the seems, he needs something to get a good grip. I know if I’m a hitter, I’m more concerned with getting beaned by a pitch getting away than spin rate.