Syracuse
McNeil 1-4 2 k's (just missed a granny)
Blankenhorn 1-4, 2 BB
Lee 0-4, BB, SB, 3 k's
Almora 1-3, BB
Nogosek....1.1 innings 6 hits 7 runs 1 walk 1 k (arguably the worst line from any Mets P this season, yikes)
Bing
Cortes 2-4, BB (OPS up to .911)
Mangum 0-4, 2 k's
Vientos 2-4, BB, K (He's struggled but over his last 5 games he's reached base 8 times)
BK
Mauricio 1-4
Baty 1-4, 3 k's
Alvarez 1-4, K
Lasko 6 innings 3 hits 1 run 0 walks 4 k's
St. Lucie
Ramirez 1-4, HR, BB, K (First professional HR)
Suozzi 2-5
Palmer 1-5, K
Ginn 4 innings 1 hit 0 runs 0 walks 5 k's (To me, easily the player of the day in the system)
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and position player are completely different beasts. A starter can fail into a specific role. A middle reliever, a ROOGY etc. A likely 1b who doesn't get on base has a far, far higher chance of being just that.. a guy who when he makes contact it goes far but little to nothing else. Yankees have the top 2 exit velocity bats in the entire sport in their minor league system Chris Gittens and Connor Cannon, neither is likely much of anything. One is now 27 years old and the other was just traded to them as a PTNL in the Mike Tauchman trade. It's a solid indicator, it's not the end all be all.
These same criticisms were leveled at Dom Smith through most of his minor league career. 1B only and wasn't going to produce enough for 1b. Turns out he may be productive enough to make both criticisms incorrect.
Again, Dom Smith was a .350ish OBP player at the same stage, there is more to build upon with a guy who may possibly grow into power. The concern was Dom would "only" be a Mark Grace/ or on the lower end a Doug Mientkiewicz
That said, my gut tells me Vientos will be traded. I just see guys like PCA, Alvarez, and Baty as guys they don't want to trade (and Allan from the pitching ranks). I see guys like Ginn and Mauricio on that next tier. Where they would for a real good player with some control. Vientos is kind of at that next level where I see him as the type of player teams might have interest at in headlining a deal for a backend SP, and that the Mets would be willing to give up.
Would have been a HR of a draft pick.
Would have been a HR of a draft pick.
PJ, I was only talking about that kind of profile in today's game not Grace per see. 280+ 8-10 homers, 30 doubles, you don't see many 1b like that nowadays
"Other players moving into the back of the list include Cade Cavalli, Roansy Contreras, Shea Langeliers, Jordan Walker, Dillon Dingler, and Brett Baty. Cavalli is putting to bed notions that his four-start stretch of dominance in college was just a fluke. First round college arms should be paving over A-ball hitters but Cavalli has been utterly dominant and is reinforcing confidence that his 2020 breakout at Oklahoma (coming off injury) can be sustained. He also showed up to camp with way more arm strength than expected and that, too, has held. Langeliers fits with Taylor Walls on the list: great defenders at premium positions who have one note offensive profiles suitable at their position. Walker moves in next to fellow elite power prospect Oneil Cruz. Dingler is an ultra-athletic catcher with power. Baty trades places with Mark Vientos as corner bats who need to perform, which Baty has."
I don't know how you do it with Twitter man, I saw a friend of mines page one day discussing the Giants and Victor Cruz's career ending injury and the messages that people put out there about Cruz are absolutely disgusting.
If you're (not you DMM) that kind of person then you have some serious issues and need to re-evaluate your life choices.
I've seen some of that on this site too which is sad, bunch of insecure cowards.
They updated their big board
I don't know how you do it with Twitter man, I saw a friend of mines page one day discussing the Giants and Victor Cruz's career ending injury and the messages that people put out there about Cruz are absolutely disgusting.
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started tweeted kinda cruel things to my tweets simply posting updates on the Betances performance so it was less interesting. Gifs and memes about how done he is aren't too funny to me, I'm sure he's disappointed. I don't want him on the big club but it's still sad (like Harvey).
I don't know how you do it with Twitter man, I saw a friend of mines page one day discussing the Giants and Victor Cruz's career ending injury and the messages that people put out there about Cruz are absolutely disgusting.
sorry for the double
Cardinals have Gorman as well. If they both pan out, will have to move one off 3rd. I'm sure they don't have any complaints about having to make such a decision.
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started tweeted kinda cruel things to my tweets simply posting updates on the Betances performance so it was less interesting. Gifs and memes about how done he is aren't too funny to me, I'm sure he's disappointed. I don't want him on the big club but it's still sad (like Harvey).
I don't know how you do it with Twitter man, I saw a friend of mines page one day discussing the Giants and Victor Cruz's career ending injury and the messages that people put out there about Cruz are absolutely disgusting.
If you're (not you DMM) that kind of person then you have some serious issues and need to re-evaluate your life choices.
I've seen some of that on this site too which is sad, bunch of insecure cowards.
It's one thing to say "terrible start by (insert name" or even "man, (insert name) is really struggling" but stuff like playing player XYZ trash, "stick a fork in him" (a lot of mean stuff about Harvey). I pretty clearly don't have an issue with being critical but when it goes beyond that, I check out.
I also don't remember him ever having the kind of excitement around him that Baty or Alvarez do right now (or that Rosario/Conforto had at their peaks of prospectdom). And honestly I don't know that that was wrong because it's not like he's an MVP candidate now or anything. I think he's likely a solid hitter with some positional versatility and a very good defensive 1b. Maybe there's some more upside but I think he's a level below Alonso as a hitter.
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HOFer or at least a hall of very good-er I know you had only in quotes, but I'd love if Dom had a Mark Grace-like career.
Would have been a HR of a draft pick.
PJ, I was only talking about that kind of profile in today's game not Grace per see. 280+ 8-10 homers, 30 doubles, you don't see many 1b like that nowadays
True, and not to go in an unintended direction - but to show how silly I think that perspective would be - how would Keith Hernandez be viewed today by scouts or others?
I view Keith as a better Mark Grace.
And he is kind of my prototype of what a 1B should be.
Today, he'd be viewed negatively because of a lack of HR power?
Hernandez is a guy who gets snubbed by HOF but has a better case than players like Eddie Murray, Jim Rice and Harold Baines and many more and not a sniff and today he'd likely be relegated to non-prospect status - fields the hell out of the position and hits for everything but HR power (career .821 OPS so it's not like he's Ozzie Smith).
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buzz around Jordan Walker is immense. Apparently hit one 450+ this week, he's 19.
Cardinals have Gorman as well. If they both pan out, will have to move one off 3rd. I'm sure they don't have any complaints about having to make such a decision.
Smart teams go BPA and let the chips fall where they may. Obviously, if the Mets took say for example Henry Davis at 10, despite him being a steal, enthusiasm is tempered by already having Alvarez. We need upper level SP, the 2021 NCAA crop looks weak at the top, don't force it (I like some of them, plenty of worthy candidates, but okay if you don't take one) I'd happy take a Bednar type round 2. Really like Beck as a value pick round 3 or later.
Similarly Olerud's '99 season was worth 8.1 wins above replacement with a wrc of 167. Both better than any year piazza had as a Met.
https://www.fangraphs.com/players/keith-hernandez/1005706/stats?position=1B - ( New Window )
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The Yankees had cameras in left, center, and right, all pointing at the pitcher's glove, rather than the catcher, to pick up his grip.
Aaron Judge 2017-18 home - .312/.440/.725
Aaron Judge 2017-18 road - .256/.404/.531
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The Dodgers had an employee who was caught setting up cameras at Minute Maid Park wearing an MLB Polo Shirt, when he should have been wearing a Dodgers Polo, during the 2017 World Series.
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This one hurts to say... my favorite player ever... "Chase Utley was the biggest cheater of all-time."
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As insane as this sounds, I've heard this from multiple players, Adrian Beltre had a buddy with binoculars in dead center who would wave a beater (undershirt) if he was getting something off speed in 2017.
Beltre 2017 home - .362/.440/.586
Beltre 2017 away - .271/.333/.489
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The Astros "sign stealing" method all came from Beltran, New York and Texas.
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Everything Kratzie already said about the Rockies...
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HOFer or at least a hall of very good-er I know you had only in quotes, but I'd love if Dom had a Mark Grace-like career.
Would have been a HR of a draft pick.
PJ, I was only talking about that kind of profile in today's game not Grace per see. 280+ 8-10 homers, 30 doubles, you don't see many 1b like that nowadays
True, and not to go in an unintended direction - but to show how silly I think that perspective would be - how would Keith Hernandez be viewed today by scouts or others?
I view Keith as a better Mark Grace.
And he is kind of my prototype of what a 1B should be.
Today, he'd be viewed negatively because of a lack of HR power?
Hernandez is a guy who gets snubbed by HOF but has a better case than players like Eddie Murray, Jim Rice and Harold Baines and many more and not a sniff and today he'd likely be relegated to non-prospect status - fields the hell out of the position and hits for everything but HR power (career .821 OPS so it's not like he's Ozzie Smith).
Disagree with you on Murray out of those three.
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Similarly Olerud's '99 season was worth 8.1 wins above replacement with a wrc of 167. Both better than any year piazza had as a Met. https://www.fangraphs.com/players/keith-hernandez/1005706/stats?position=1B - ( New Window )
So to me Grace was a slightly worse Hernandez. So, if Dom wound up a Mark Grace 2.0 even without the HRs I still think it's a "nailed it" draft pick.
At this point I doubt Dom winds up close to Grace from a career standpoint even though Dom is still only 26, but still would be nice.
I don't think I'd compare Dom to Grace or Olerud anymore because he hasn't shown that kind of bat control. Mark Grace walked twice as often as he struck out. Olerud walked more than he struck out too. Both were career .300 hitters. I don't think Dom will hit that well for his career.
So I'm not sure who I'd compare him to in previous generations but among players in today's game at 1b I think Hosmer still fits. Dom is a little better defensively but despite poor analytics I've always thought Hosmer is a good 1b. His career average is around .280, he K's a little less than Dom and maybe Dom has a little bit more power, but I guess we will see. Prorating out last year's statline Dom would have had a better year than any in Hosmer's career but I don't think that's quite fair. Prorating 2019 seems more likely what his typical good year will be, but who knows.
Dom hasn't played there much this year but when he has he has made some real gems. I know SSS but he has looked far better than previous years when he never looked like his GG reputation. This year he has made some legit GG plays.
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Carlos Carrasco (torn right hamstring) has restarted his throwing program. He's throwing off flat ground right now -- more intensive than a game of catch, but not a true bullpen session off the slope of a mound.
The Mets have remained hopeful that Carrasco can return in July.
I don't think I'd compare Dom to Grace or Olerud anymore because he hasn't shown that kind of bat control. Mark Grace walked twice as often as he struck out. Olerud walked more than he struck out too. Both were career .300 hitters. I don't think Dom will hit that well for his career.
So I'm not sure who I'd compare him to in previous generations but among players in today's game at 1b I think Hosmer still fits. Dom is a little better defensively but despite poor analytics I've always thought Hosmer is a good 1b. His career average is around .280, he K's a little less than Dom and maybe Dom has a little bit more power, but I guess we will see. Prorating out last year's statline Dom would have had a better year than any in Hosmer's career but I don't think that's quite fair. Prorating 2019 seems more likely what his typical good year will be, but who knows.
As a hitter, I like the comp for Dom as Rafael Palmeiro (without the 'roids/hgh). Admittedly, this for me is about who his swing reminds me of, I think Dom has a very similar power stroke from the left side to Raffy. I also think Dom can settle in to that 30-35 homer guy that Raffy was normally...Palmeiro had a smattering of 40 or more homer seasons, three separate 39 homer seasons, a 38 homer season...but I think we know what the deal was there.
Dom is probably going to strike out a good bit more than Palmeiro for his career, though. But that swing with the top hand letting go, everything about Dom's swing reminds me of Palmeiro.
I think he's a 20-30 homer player, .280 BA, .350 OBP, .500 SLG. Solid mid .800's OPS'er with some defensive value.
Imagine having Trout and Ohtani, and being that mediocre. Just unreal
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Imagine having Trout and Ohtani, and being that mediocre. Just unreal
They have some interesting trade chips and I'd be interested in talking to them lol
I know they love his leadership but gotta think KC would be open to the idea of saving $4m, freeing up payroll next year, and getting back some kind of long shot prospect (Newton?).
I know they love his leadership but gotta think KC would be open to the idea of saving $4m, freeing up payroll next year, and getting back some kind of long shot prospect (Newton?).
Gray has been absolutely awful recently. Major, major red flags. I think he's hiding an injury. Pass on him.
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also not sure they'd be willing to trade him or if he got an NTC but Mike Minor is having a solid year starting and the Royals are 6 games under - in terms of role fit he'd be great. An extra lefty starter while waiting for Thor/Carrasco to potentially return and if they do he can shift into the BP. Under contract next year with a team option year after that.
I know they love his leadership but gotta think KC would be open to the idea of saving $4m, freeing up payroll next year, and getting back some kind of long shot prospect (Newton?).
Gray has been absolutely awful recently. Major, major red flags. I think he's hiding an injury. Pass on him.
the other way to look at that is lower price of acquisition and maybe with a few weeks off he looks better (he'd be solid before those 2 bad starts pre-DL). He's been out for a couple weeks but resumed throwing BP's. Would certainly want to see him come back and prove he's healthy first.
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Well we know the results, he's been truly awful. 17 innings 8 walks vs. 6 k's with an era near 8. Teams don't make moves for guys like that while they are pitching this poorly. If he comes back and pitches better then sure he'd be on the radar