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Phoenix Suns All-NBA guard Chris Paul has entered COVID-19 health and safety protocols and is sidelined for an indefinite period of time, sources tell
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guessing he is not vaccinated if he is being sidelined
That is not necessarily true. 9 members of the Yankees organization tested positive for COVID. They weren't sidelined for protocols. They tested positive. All of them received the JNJ vaccine.
guessing he is not vaccinated if he is being sidelined
That is not necessarily true. 9 members of the Yankees organization tested positive for COVID. They weren't sidelined for protocols. They tested positive. All of them received the JNJ vaccine.
yeah i misread i thiught it was he broke protocol..
If he was vaccinated and he’s sidelined, what are we doing here?
Because vaccinated individuals still have anywhere from a 5-25% chance (depending on vaccine) of contracting COVID and while it is almost a certainty they won't have severe symptoms, they can still transmit it to others.
Then this will never end. The idea is to get everyone vaccinated. If fully vaccinated individuals still need to be tested and quarantine with a positive test we are never getting back to normal.
If he was vaccinated and he’s sidelined, what are we doing here?
Because vaccinated individuals still have anywhere from a 5-25% chance (depending on vaccine) of contracting COVID and while it is almost a certainty they won't have severe symptoms, they can still transmit it to others.
so then why is everything opening up? and why is the cdc telling vaccinated people not to get tested?..
If you are vaccinated you should be cleared of protocols, its really that simple
RE: RE: RE: If he was vaccinated why was he tested?
If he was vaccinated and he’s sidelined, what are we doing here?
Because vaccinated individuals still have anywhere from a 5-25% chance (depending on vaccine) of contracting COVID and while it is almost a certainty they won't have severe symptoms, they can still transmit it to others.
so then why is everything opening up? and why is the cdc telling vaccinated people not to get tested?..
If you are vaccinated you should be cleared of protocols, its really that simple
and not for nothing the NBA told players they can go out and do other things if they are vaccinated, so you say that but then still going to test them? that makes no sense
For starters he likely wasn’t vaccinated. But say he was. If he had moderna or Pfizer it’s a 5 percent chance he may still get it with 99.9 of those Instances being very mild. However we are still at the tail end of a pandemic that shut down the world and apparently there are a lot of anti Vaxers in the NBA. Accordingly to avoid spreading it to the 40% or so who are unvaccinated they shut down the individual who tested positive.
I would suspect this changes next year but what exactly do you want them to do now?
For starters he likely wasn’t vaccinated. But say he was. If he had moderna or Pfizer it’s a 5 percent chance he may still get it with 99.9 of those Instances being very mild. However we are still at the tail end of a pandemic that shut down the world and apparently there are a lot of anti Vaxers in the NBA. Accordingly to avoid spreading it to the 40% or so who are unvaccinated they shut down the individual who tested positive.
I would suspect this changes next year but what exactly do you want them to do now?
but they told players if you are vaccinated protocols will relax, so if someone is vaccinated they are allowed to go out and do things...you cant gurn around and test someone and say ok your out...thats not fair
*assuming* he was vaccinated, this flies in the face of what the CDC is saying. I’m fully vaxxed and I’m not getting tested when I go to the office. I’m told that since I’m fully vaxxed I don’t need to test nor do I need a mask. The inconsistencies are just so ridiculous imo.
If he was vaccinated and he’s sidelined, what are we doing here?
Because vaccinated individuals still have anywhere from a 5-25% chance (depending on vaccine) of contracting COVID and while it is almost a certainty they won't have severe symptoms, they can still transmit it to others.
Transmission risk is super low and if people around are also vaccinated it's pretty much nil.
*assuming* he was vaccinated, this flies in the face of what the CDC is saying. I’m fully vaxxed and I’m not getting tested when I go to the office. I’m told that since I’m fully vaxxed I don’t need to test nor do I need a mask. The inconsistencies are just so ridiculous imo.
Then this will never end. The idea is to get everyone vaccinated. If fully vaccinated individuals still need to be tested and quarantine with a positive test we are never getting back to normal.
That's just ignorance. It'll 'end' when the majority of people are vaccinated. I don't know the vaccine status of other players on the Suns, but these protocols are in place to minimize the spread.
While adults can easily get vaccinated now, it's still not approved for children under 12, even in an emergency use capacity.
RE: RE: RE: If he was vaccinated why was he tested?
For starters he likely wasn’t vaccinated. But say he was. If he had moderna or Pfizer it’s a 5 percent chance he may still get it with 99.9 of those Instances being very mild. However we are still at the tail end of a pandemic that shut down the world and apparently there are a lot of anti Vaxers in the NBA. Accordingly to avoid spreading it to the 40% or so who are unvaccinated they shut down the individual who tested positive.
I would suspect this changes next year but what exactly do you want them to do now?
but they told players if you are vaccinated protocols will relax, so if someone is vaccinated they are allowed to go out and do things...you cant gurn around and test someone and say ok your out...thats not fair
Why not? It's called carrot and stick. Letting vaccinated players return to 'normal' life off the court is an extra incentive to try and get those hesitant to vaccinate. That doesn't mean the NBA should throw all caution to the wind and completely disregard the health of those that choose not to vaccinate.
RE: RE: RE: If he was vaccinated why was he tested?
For starters he likely wasn’t vaccinated. But say he was. If he had moderna or Pfizer it’s a 5 percent chance he may still get it with 99.9 of those Instances being very mild. However we are still at the tail end of a pandemic that shut down the world and apparently there are a lot of anti Vaxers in the NBA. Accordingly to avoid spreading it to the 40% or so who are unvaccinated they shut down the individual who tested positive.
I would suspect this changes next year but what exactly do you want them to do now?
but they told players if you are vaccinated protocols will relax, so if someone is vaccinated they are allowed to go out and do things...you cant gurn around and test someone and say ok your out...thats not fair
Why not? It's called carrot and stick. Letting vaccinated players return to 'normal' life off the court is an extra incentive to try and get those hesitant to vaccinate. That doesn't mean the NBA should throw all caution to the wind and completely disregard the health of those that choose not to vaccinate.
why should they protect the players who CHOOSE not to get vaccinated? If a player chooses to not get vaccinated they are choosing to accept ehatever consequences come from getting covid, that is on them not the player eho eent and got vaccinated..
if NBA cant change the rules then why are vaccinated coaches and players not wearing a mask on the sideline?
RE: RE: RE: RE: If he was vaccinated why was he tested?
why should they protect the players who CHOOSE not to get vaccinated? If a player chooses to not get vaccinated they are choosing to accept ehatever consequences come from getting covid, that is on them not the player eho eent and got vaccinated..
if NBA cant change the rules then why are vaccinated coaches and players not wearing a mask on the sideline?
My personal belief? They shouldn't.
But why wouldn't the Players Assn protect all of its members?
I'm guessing those without masks have also tested negative. Negative test + vaccinated means it's highly unlikely they can spread COVID and they are at minimal risk if they do get it (all vaccines are virtually 100% effective at preventing severe COVID).
RE: RE: RE: RE: Sean this really isn’t that hard of a concept
For starters he likely wasn’t vaccinated. But say he was. If he had moderna or Pfizer it’s a 5 percent chance he may still get it with 99.9 of those Instances being very mild. However we are still at the tail end of a pandemic that shut down the world and apparently there are a lot of anti Vaxers in the NBA. Accordingly to avoid spreading it to the 40% or so who are unvaccinated they shut down the individual who tested positive.
I would suspect this changes next year but what exactly do you want them to do now?
but they told players if you are vaccinated protocols will relax, so if someone is vaccinated they are allowed to go out and do things...you cant gurn around and test someone and say ok your out...thats not fair
Why not? It's called carrot and stick. Letting vaccinated players return to 'normal' life off the court is an extra incentive to try and get those hesitant to vaccinate. That doesn't mean the NBA should throw all caution to the wind and completely disregard the health of those that choose not to vaccinate.
why should they protect the players who CHOOSE not to get vaccinated? If a player chooses to not get vaccinated they are choosing to accept ehatever consequences come from getting covid, that is on them not the player eho eent and got vaccinated..
if NBA cant change the rules then why are vaccinated coaches and players not wearing a mask on the sideline?
The part I hate about this (and I hear it all the time) is that it suggests that any ill effects solely affect the unvaccinated (if they choose not to get the vaccine, it's own them if they get Covid), when the reality is that their failure also impacts us. They are where variants will arise which could have wide-ranging effects on others.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Sean this really isn’t that hard of a concept
For starters he likely wasn’t vaccinated. But say he was. If he had moderna or Pfizer it’s a 5 percent chance he may still get it with 99.9 of those Instances being very mild. However we are still at the tail end of a pandemic that shut down the world and apparently there are a lot of anti Vaxers in the NBA. Accordingly to avoid spreading it to the 40% or so who are unvaccinated they shut down the individual who tested positive.
I would suspect this changes next year but what exactly do you want them to do now?
but they told players if you are vaccinated protocols will relax, so if someone is vaccinated they are allowed to go out and do things...you cant gurn around and test someone and say ok your out...thats not fair
Why not? It's called carrot and stick. Letting vaccinated players return to 'normal' life off the court is an extra incentive to try and get those hesitant to vaccinate. That doesn't mean the NBA should throw all caution to the wind and completely disregard the health of those that choose not to vaccinate.
why should they protect the players who CHOOSE not to get vaccinated? If a player chooses to not get vaccinated they are choosing to accept ehatever consequences come from getting covid, that is on them not the player eho eent and got vaccinated..
if NBA cant change the rules then why are vaccinated coaches and players not wearing a mask on the sideline?
The part I hate about this (and I hear it all the time) is that it suggests that any ill effects solely affect the unvaccinated (if they choose not to get the vaccine, it's own them if they get Covid), when the reality is that their failure also impacts us. They are where variants will arise which could have wide-ranging effects on others.
that is true
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Sean this really isn’t that hard of a concept
why should they protect the players who CHOOSE not to get vaccinated? If a player chooses to not get vaccinated they are choosing to accept ehatever consequences come from getting covid, that is on them not the player eho eent and got vaccinated..
if NBA cant change the rules then why are vaccinated coaches and players not wearing a mask on the sideline?
My personal belief? They shouldn't.
But why wouldn't the Players Assn protect all of its members?
I'm guessing those without masks have also tested negative. Negative test + vaccinated means it's highly unlikely they can spread COVID and they are at minimal risk if they do get it (all vaccines are virtually 100% effective at preventing severe COVID).
actually they changed other rules to, if you are vaccinated you are tested less frequently
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Sean this really isn’t that hard of a concept
actually they changed other rules to, if you are vaccinated you are tested less frequently
Sure, those are all reasonable (small) measures that incentivize players to get vaccinated. They aren't the same risk as letting a positive player play alongside unvaccinated players.
And like Bill L said, the idiots not getting vaccinated aren't just putting themselves at risk. They're increasing the likelihood of a variant developing that will evade the vaccines and potentially be more deadly/contagious.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Sean this really isn’t that hard of a concept
actually they changed other rules to, if you are vaccinated you are tested less frequently
Sure, those are all reasonable (small) measures that incentivize players to get vaccinated. They aren't the same risk as letting a positive player play alongside unvaccinated players.
And like Bill L said, the idiots not getting vaccinated aren't just putting themselves at risk. They're increasing the likelihood of a variant developing that will evade the vaccines and potentially be more deadly/contagious.
but the people who choose to not get vaccinated are not changing their minds..
there are varying reasons why people choose not to get vaccinated and some of the campaigns to educate them or simply incentivize them are having an impact. I believe Ohio saw a substantial increase in vaccinations after they started their $1M lottery.
We're not going to get 100% support (or even 90%), but every additional person helps.
there are varying reasons why people choose not to get vaccinated and some of the campaigns to educate them or simply incentivize them are having an impact. I believe Ohio saw a substantial increase in vaccinations after they started their $1M lottery.
We're not going to get 100% support (or even 90%), but every additional person helps.
If only there was a vaccine that could help folks...
With the NFL struggling to get players vaccinated, they will be dealing with the same issue this year - especially with the Highly contagious Delta Variant from India, spreading through the US.
The only positive with the NFL is that they have a week between games (for the most part).
Then this will never end. The idea is to get everyone vaccinated. If fully vaccinated individuals still need to be tested and quarantine with a positive test we are never getting back to normal.
If, to be realistic, 90% of the population is vaccinated, we get herd immunity and the virus is unlikely to spread — but it's still just as dangerous to any unvaccinated people who are exposed.
The people who are vaccinated are very unlikely to get severe illness but the virus is still dangerous for everyone else.
We are never getting back to exactly the same "normal" we had two years ago, but the new normal can be pretty similar — if enough people get the vaccine. This virus isn't going to disappear; it can infect animals so it is likely to recur even if it's eliminated in humans at some point. But it can be tamped down. It's going to remain a simmering threat.
The big danger is that somewhere in the world the virus mutates and becomes more virulent and/or even more contagious — or that the new mutation evades the vaccines. That's one more reason to get as many people vaccinated as possible.
RE: RE: RE: If he was vaccinated why was he tested?
If he was vaccinated and he’s sidelined, what are we doing here?
Because vaccinated individuals still have anywhere from a 5-25% chance (depending on vaccine) of contracting COVID and while it is almost a certainty they won't have severe symptoms, they can still transmit it to others.
so then why is everything opening up? and why is the cdc telling vaccinated people not to get tested?..
If you are vaccinated you should be cleared of protocols, its really that simple
Because the CDC has bungled this whole thing from day 1. The protocols, case calculations, etc. change constantly. Look at Fauci’s emails. They have basically been flying by the seat of their pants this whole time. I still don’t think they have a firm grasp on what the right actions are to handle this situation and we are like 15 months into it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: If he was vaccinated why was he tested?
If he was vaccinated and he’s sidelined, what are we doing here?
Because vaccinated individuals still have anywhere from a 5-25% chance (depending on vaccine) of contracting COVID and while it is almost a certainty they won't have severe symptoms, they can still transmit it to others.
so then why is everything opening up? and why is the cdc telling vaccinated people not to get tested?..
If you are vaccinated you should be cleared of protocols, its really that simple
Because the CDC has bungled this whole thing from day 1. The protocols, case calculations, etc. change constantly. Look at Fauci’s emails. They have basically been flying by the seat of their pants this whole time. I still don’t think they have a firm grasp on what the right actions are to handle this situation and we are like 15 months into it.
I think "bungled" is too harsh. There was a tremendous juggle trying to balance public safety with economic harshness with politics with (most important of all of these) an ever-changing landscape of new knowledge displacing earlier precepts. All headlined by a polarizing blustery figure with equally strident counter-people. The FDA was called upon to make decisions on a timescale of days when they are accustomed to a time frame of decades(for tests, not vaccines; the vaccine process was actually extremely good). CDC, IMO, was mostly side-lined and were not the driving force for anything. So, if "bungled" means allowing themselves to get pushed into the backgrund, then maybe it's an okay word.
If he was vaccinated and he’s sidelined, what are we doing here?
Because vaccinated individuals still have anywhere from a 5-25% chance (depending on vaccine) of contracting COVID and while it is almost a certainty they won't have severe symptoms, they can still transmit it to others.
so then why is everything opening up? and why is the cdc telling vaccinated people not to get tested?..
If you are vaccinated you should be cleared of protocols, its really that simple
Because the CDC has bungled this whole thing from day 1. The protocols, case calculations, etc. change constantly. Look at Fauci’s emails. They have basically been flying by the seat of their pants this whole time. I still don’t think they have a firm grasp on what the right actions are to handle this situation and we are like 15 months into it.
Of course they didn't know exactly what to do, this was a brand new virus.
And even if they did know, half the country wouldn't have followed the guidance anyway.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: If he was vaccinated why was he tested?
If he was vaccinated and he’s sidelined, what are we doing here?
Because vaccinated individuals still have anywhere from a 5-25% chance (depending on vaccine) of contracting COVID and while it is almost a certainty they won't have severe symptoms, they can still transmit it to others.
so then why is everything opening up? and why is the cdc telling vaccinated people not to get tested?..
If you are vaccinated you should be cleared of protocols, its really that simple
Because the CDC has bungled this whole thing from day 1. The protocols, case calculations, etc. change constantly. Look at Fauci’s emails. They have basically been flying by the seat of their pants this whole time. I still don’t think they have a firm grasp on what the right actions are to handle this situation and we are like 15 months into it.
I think "bungled" is too harsh. There was a tremendous juggle trying to balance public safety with economic harshness with politics with (most important of all of these) an ever-changing landscape of new knowledge displacing earlier precepts. All headlined by a polarizing blustery figure with equally strident counter-people. The FDA was called upon to make decisions on a timescale of days when they are accustomed to a time frame of decades(for tests, not vaccines; the vaccine process was actually extremely good). CDC, IMO, was mostly side-lined and were not the driving force for anything. So, if "bungled" means allowing themselves to get pushed into the backgrund, then maybe it's an okay word.
I think the CDC was also thrust into a role that it is outside its core competencies. They really seemed to struggle with communicating with the public and issuing guidance, particularly given how fast this situation has evolved.
Still, they really added value by explaining the basic facts and workings of the virus and how it spreads, who is most at risk, etc. and many of their predictions were right (cases would slow down in the summer, spikes around Thanksgiving and Christmas, etc.). Also, their post-vaccine check in app worked very well.
My conclusion is that they are good at the basic science and behind the scenes blocking and tackling but were less comfortable/nimble getting in front of a microphone.
The CDC said that there would be a spike late summer and again into the winter, with a high likelihood of a vaccine by the end of the year.
No, perhaps they are not great at dumbing things down for people, but that messaging should have come from political leaders in a consistent, joint effort.
The CDC was on top of this thing as well or better than could be reasonably expected.
That is not necessarily true. 9 members of the Yankees organization tested positive for COVID. They weren't sidelined for protocols. They tested positive. All of them received the JNJ vaccine.
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guessing he is not vaccinated if he is being sidelined
That is not necessarily true. 9 members of the Yankees organization tested positive for COVID. They weren't sidelined for protocols. They tested positive. All of them received the JNJ vaccine.
yeah i misread i thiught it was he broke protocol..
was going to make this comment but i am leaving it alone haha
Because vaccinated individuals still have anywhere from a 5-25% chance (depending on vaccine) of contracting COVID and while it is almost a certainty they won't have severe symptoms, they can still transmit it to others.
Man this all sucks. Awful news for the watchability of the playoffs.
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If he was vaccinated and he’s sidelined, what are we doing here?
Because vaccinated individuals still have anywhere from a 5-25% chance (depending on vaccine) of contracting COVID and while it is almost a certainty they won't have severe symptoms, they can still transmit it to others.
so then why is everything opening up? and why is the cdc telling vaccinated people not to get tested?..
If you are vaccinated you should be cleared of protocols, its really that simple
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If he was vaccinated and he’s sidelined, what are we doing here?
Because vaccinated individuals still have anywhere from a 5-25% chance (depending on vaccine) of contracting COVID and while it is almost a certainty they won't have severe symptoms, they can still transmit it to others.
so then why is everything opening up? and why is the cdc telling vaccinated people not to get tested?..
If you are vaccinated you should be cleared of protocols, its really that simple
and not for nothing the NBA told players they can go out and do other things if they are vaccinated, so you say that but then still going to test them? that makes no sense
I would suspect this changes next year but what exactly do you want them to do now?
I would suspect this changes next year but what exactly do you want them to do now?
but they told players if you are vaccinated protocols will relax, so if someone is vaccinated they are allowed to go out and do things...you cant gurn around and test someone and say ok your out...thats not fair
Anyone notice that coaches dont have to wear masks?? because they are vaccinated, players the same thing..
so you dont have to wear a mask, but we are still going to test you and make you sit out, ridiculous..
my friend doesnt want to get the vaccine, he is not going to blame me if he gets covid
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If he was vaccinated and he’s sidelined, what are we doing here?
Because vaccinated individuals still have anywhere from a 5-25% chance (depending on vaccine) of contracting COVID and while it is almost a certainty they won't have severe symptoms, they can still transmit it to others.
Transmission risk is super low and if people around are also vaccinated it's pretty much nil.
That's just ignorance. It'll 'end' when the majority of people are vaccinated. I don't know the vaccine status of other players on the Suns, but these protocols are in place to minimize the spread.
While adults can easily get vaccinated now, it's still not approved for children under 12, even in an emergency use capacity.
so then why is everything opening up? and why is the cdc telling vaccinated people not to get tested?..
If you are vaccinated you should be cleared of protocols, its really that simple
CDC recommendations are different than protocols put in place by a private entity.
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For starters he likely wasn’t vaccinated. But say he was. If he had moderna or Pfizer it’s a 5 percent chance he may still get it with 99.9 of those Instances being very mild. However we are still at the tail end of a pandemic that shut down the world and apparently there are a lot of anti Vaxers in the NBA. Accordingly to avoid spreading it to the 40% or so who are unvaccinated they shut down the individual who tested positive.
I would suspect this changes next year but what exactly do you want them to do now?
but they told players if you are vaccinated protocols will relax, so if someone is vaccinated they are allowed to go out and do things...you cant gurn around and test someone and say ok your out...thats not fair
Why not? It's called carrot and stick. Letting vaccinated players return to 'normal' life off the court is an extra incentive to try and get those hesitant to vaccinate. That doesn't mean the NBA should throw all caution to the wind and completely disregard the health of those that choose not to vaccinate.
Transmission risk is super low and if people around are also vaccinated it's pretty much nil.
Sure, but I imagine transmission risk is considerably higher for athletes sweating and breathing on top of each other.
And again, this is a protocol that was put in place by a private industry, I believe after negotiations between the league and PA.
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For starters he likely wasn’t vaccinated. But say he was. If he had moderna or Pfizer it’s a 5 percent chance he may still get it with 99.9 of those Instances being very mild. However we are still at the tail end of a pandemic that shut down the world and apparently there are a lot of anti Vaxers in the NBA. Accordingly to avoid spreading it to the 40% or so who are unvaccinated they shut down the individual who tested positive.
I would suspect this changes next year but what exactly do you want them to do now?
but they told players if you are vaccinated protocols will relax, so if someone is vaccinated they are allowed to go out and do things...you cant gurn around and test someone and say ok your out...thats not fair
Why not? It's called carrot and stick. Letting vaccinated players return to 'normal' life off the court is an extra incentive to try and get those hesitant to vaccinate. That doesn't mean the NBA should throw all caution to the wind and completely disregard the health of those that choose not to vaccinate.
why should they protect the players who CHOOSE not to get vaccinated? If a player chooses to not get vaccinated they are choosing to accept ehatever consequences come from getting covid, that is on them not the player eho eent and got vaccinated..
if NBA cant change the rules then why are vaccinated coaches and players not wearing a mask on the sideline?
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Transmission risk is super low and if people around are also vaccinated it's pretty much nil.
Sure, but I imagine transmission risk is considerably higher for athletes sweating and breathing on top of each other.
And again, this is a protocol that was put in place by a private industry, I believe after negotiations between the league and PA.
I actually don't think it is at all. And, on the other point, I was speaking in principle. Businesses can do whatever they want for sure.
why should they protect the players who CHOOSE not to get vaccinated? If a player chooses to not get vaccinated they are choosing to accept ehatever consequences come from getting covid, that is on them not the player eho eent and got vaccinated..
if NBA cant change the rules then why are vaccinated coaches and players not wearing a mask on the sideline?
My personal belief? They shouldn't.
But why wouldn't the Players Assn protect all of its members?
I'm guessing those without masks have also tested negative. Negative test + vaccinated means it's highly unlikely they can spread COVID and they are at minimal risk if they do get it (all vaccines are virtually 100% effective at preventing severe COVID).
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In comment 15287352 bhill410 said:
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For starters he likely wasn’t vaccinated. But say he was. If he had moderna or Pfizer it’s a 5 percent chance he may still get it with 99.9 of those Instances being very mild. However we are still at the tail end of a pandemic that shut down the world and apparently there are a lot of anti Vaxers in the NBA. Accordingly to avoid spreading it to the 40% or so who are unvaccinated they shut down the individual who tested positive.
I would suspect this changes next year but what exactly do you want them to do now?
but they told players if you are vaccinated protocols will relax, so if someone is vaccinated they are allowed to go out and do things...you cant gurn around and test someone and say ok your out...thats not fair
Why not? It's called carrot and stick. Letting vaccinated players return to 'normal' life off the court is an extra incentive to try and get those hesitant to vaccinate. That doesn't mean the NBA should throw all caution to the wind and completely disregard the health of those that choose not to vaccinate.
why should they protect the players who CHOOSE not to get vaccinated? If a player chooses to not get vaccinated they are choosing to accept ehatever consequences come from getting covid, that is on them not the player eho eent and got vaccinated..
if NBA cant change the rules then why are vaccinated coaches and players not wearing a mask on the sideline?
The part I hate about this (and I hear it all the time) is that it suggests that any ill effects solely affect the unvaccinated (if they choose not to get the vaccine, it's own them if they get Covid), when the reality is that their failure also impacts us. They are where variants will arise which could have wide-ranging effects on others.
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In comment 15287355 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15287352 bhill410 said:
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For starters he likely wasn’t vaccinated. But say he was. If he had moderna or Pfizer it’s a 5 percent chance he may still get it with 99.9 of those Instances being very mild. However we are still at the tail end of a pandemic that shut down the world and apparently there are a lot of anti Vaxers in the NBA. Accordingly to avoid spreading it to the 40% or so who are unvaccinated they shut down the individual who tested positive.
I would suspect this changes next year but what exactly do you want them to do now?
but they told players if you are vaccinated protocols will relax, so if someone is vaccinated they are allowed to go out and do things...you cant gurn around and test someone and say ok your out...thats not fair
Why not? It's called carrot and stick. Letting vaccinated players return to 'normal' life off the court is an extra incentive to try and get those hesitant to vaccinate. That doesn't mean the NBA should throw all caution to the wind and completely disregard the health of those that choose not to vaccinate.
why should they protect the players who CHOOSE not to get vaccinated? If a player chooses to not get vaccinated they are choosing to accept ehatever consequences come from getting covid, that is on them not the player eho eent and got vaccinated..
if NBA cant change the rules then why are vaccinated coaches and players not wearing a mask on the sideline?
The part I hate about this (and I hear it all the time) is that it suggests that any ill effects solely affect the unvaccinated (if they choose not to get the vaccine, it's own them if they get Covid), when the reality is that their failure also impacts us. They are where variants will arise which could have wide-ranging effects on others.
that is true
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why should they protect the players who CHOOSE not to get vaccinated? If a player chooses to not get vaccinated they are choosing to accept ehatever consequences come from getting covid, that is on them not the player eho eent and got vaccinated..
if NBA cant change the rules then why are vaccinated coaches and players not wearing a mask on the sideline?
My personal belief? They shouldn't.
But why wouldn't the Players Assn protect all of its members?
I'm guessing those without masks have also tested negative. Negative test + vaccinated means it's highly unlikely they can spread COVID and they are at minimal risk if they do get it (all vaccines are virtually 100% effective at preventing severe COVID).
actually they changed other rules to, if you are vaccinated you are tested less frequently
actually they changed other rules to, if you are vaccinated you are tested less frequently
Sure, those are all reasonable (small) measures that incentivize players to get vaccinated. They aren't the same risk as letting a positive player play alongside unvaccinated players.
And like Bill L said, the idiots not getting vaccinated aren't just putting themselves at risk. They're increasing the likelihood of a variant developing that will evade the vaccines and potentially be more deadly/contagious.
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actually they changed other rules to, if you are vaccinated you are tested less frequently
Sure, those are all reasonable (small) measures that incentivize players to get vaccinated. They aren't the same risk as letting a positive player play alongside unvaccinated players.
And like Bill L said, the idiots not getting vaccinated aren't just putting themselves at risk. They're increasing the likelihood of a variant developing that will evade the vaccines and potentially be more deadly/contagious.
but the people who choose to not get vaccinated are not changing their minds..
We're not going to get 100% support (or even 90%), but every additional person helps.
We're not going to get 100% support (or even 90%), but every additional person helps.
i hope so
With the NFL struggling to get players vaccinated, they will be dealing with the same issue this year - especially with the Highly contagious Delta Variant from India, spreading through the US.
The only positive with the NFL is that they have a week between games (for the most part).
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So he shouldn't be in the protocol for long.
The people who are vaccinated are very unlikely to get severe illness but the virus is still dangerous for everyone else.
We are never getting back to exactly the same "normal" we had two years ago, but the new normal can be pretty similar — if enough people get the vaccine. This virus isn't going to disappear; it can infect animals so it is likely to recur even if it's eliminated in humans at some point. But it can be tamped down. It's going to remain a simmering threat.
The big danger is that somewhere in the world the virus mutates and becomes more virulent and/or even more contagious — or that the new mutation evades the vaccines. That's one more reason to get as many people vaccinated as possible.
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If he was vaccinated and he’s sidelined, what are we doing here?
Because vaccinated individuals still have anywhere from a 5-25% chance (depending on vaccine) of contracting COVID and while it is almost a certainty they won't have severe symptoms, they can still transmit it to others.
so then why is everything opening up? and why is the cdc telling vaccinated people not to get tested?..
If you are vaccinated you should be cleared of protocols, its really that simple
Because the CDC has bungled this whole thing from day 1. The protocols, case calculations, etc. change constantly. Look at Fauci’s emails. They have basically been flying by the seat of their pants this whole time. I still don’t think they have a firm grasp on what the right actions are to handle this situation and we are like 15 months into it.
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In comment 15287334 Sean said:
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If he was vaccinated and he’s sidelined, what are we doing here?
Because vaccinated individuals still have anywhere from a 5-25% chance (depending on vaccine) of contracting COVID and while it is almost a certainty they won't have severe symptoms, they can still transmit it to others.
so then why is everything opening up? and why is the cdc telling vaccinated people not to get tested?..
If you are vaccinated you should be cleared of protocols, its really that simple
Because the CDC has bungled this whole thing from day 1. The protocols, case calculations, etc. change constantly. Look at Fauci’s emails. They have basically been flying by the seat of their pants this whole time. I still don’t think they have a firm grasp on what the right actions are to handle this situation and we are like 15 months into it.
I think "bungled" is too harsh. There was a tremendous juggle trying to balance public safety with economic harshness with politics with (most important of all of these) an ever-changing landscape of new knowledge displacing earlier precepts. All headlined by a polarizing blustery figure with equally strident counter-people. The FDA was called upon to make decisions on a timescale of days when they are accustomed to a time frame of decades(for tests, not vaccines; the vaccine process was actually extremely good). CDC, IMO, was mostly side-lined and were not the driving force for anything. So, if "bungled" means allowing themselves to get pushed into the backgrund, then maybe it's an okay word.
An all-time great PG.
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In comment 15287334 Sean said:
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If he was vaccinated and he’s sidelined, what are we doing here?
Because vaccinated individuals still have anywhere from a 5-25% chance (depending on vaccine) of contracting COVID and while it is almost a certainty they won't have severe symptoms, they can still transmit it to others.
so then why is everything opening up? and why is the cdc telling vaccinated people not to get tested?..
If you are vaccinated you should be cleared of protocols, its really that simple
Because the CDC has bungled this whole thing from day 1. The protocols, case calculations, etc. change constantly. Look at Fauci’s emails. They have basically been flying by the seat of their pants this whole time. I still don’t think they have a firm grasp on what the right actions are to handle this situation and we are like 15 months into it.
Of course they didn't know exactly what to do, this was a brand new virus.
And even if they did know, half the country wouldn't have followed the guidance anyway.
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In comment 15287334 Sean said:
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If he was vaccinated and he’s sidelined, what are we doing here?
Because vaccinated individuals still have anywhere from a 5-25% chance (depending on vaccine) of contracting COVID and while it is almost a certainty they won't have severe symptoms, they can still transmit it to others.
so then why is everything opening up? and why is the cdc telling vaccinated people not to get tested?..
If you are vaccinated you should be cleared of protocols, its really that simple
Because the CDC has bungled this whole thing from day 1. The protocols, case calculations, etc. change constantly. Look at Fauci’s emails. They have basically been flying by the seat of their pants this whole time. I still don’t think they have a firm grasp on what the right actions are to handle this situation and we are like 15 months into it.
I think "bungled" is too harsh. There was a tremendous juggle trying to balance public safety with economic harshness with politics with (most important of all of these) an ever-changing landscape of new knowledge displacing earlier precepts. All headlined by a polarizing blustery figure with equally strident counter-people. The FDA was called upon to make decisions on a timescale of days when they are accustomed to a time frame of decades(for tests, not vaccines; the vaccine process was actually extremely good). CDC, IMO, was mostly side-lined and were not the driving force for anything. So, if "bungled" means allowing themselves to get pushed into the backgrund, then maybe it's an okay word.
I think the CDC was also thrust into a role that it is outside its core competencies. They really seemed to struggle with communicating with the public and issuing guidance, particularly given how fast this situation has evolved.
Still, they really added value by explaining the basic facts and workings of the virus and how it spreads, who is most at risk, etc. and many of their predictions were right (cases would slow down in the summer, spikes around Thanksgiving and Christmas, etc.). Also, their post-vaccine check in app worked very well.
My conclusion is that they are good at the basic science and behind the scenes blocking and tackling but were less comfortable/nimble getting in front of a microphone.
No, perhaps they are not great at dumbing things down for people, but that messaging should have come from political leaders in a consistent, joint effort.
The CDC was on top of this thing as well or better than could be reasonably expected.