Yep, Kyrie and Kawhi both out, CP3 in COVID protocol, Conley out in Utah and Mitchell banged up, Embiid hobbled, DeAndre Hunter out in Atlanta - Milwaukee is the healthiest team left and they'll still blow it.
I just played it casually as a kid and broke my wrist and sprained my ankle twice within the span of a couple of years. There are very few star players asked to carry the load for their teams who DON'T have long injury histories.
I just played it casually as a kid and broke my wrist and sprained my ankle twice within the span of a couple of years. There are very few star players asked to carry the load for their teams who DON'T have long injury histories.
yup i played football and lacrosse and the only sport i got hurt in was basketball..
broken collarbone, broken thumb, 2 ankles i tore the ligaments off th3 bone
I have a theory that the decrease in physicality on defense has led to the increase in player injuries.
Current spacing in the NBA and the increase in "freedom of movement" with the evolution of the "gather" or "zero" step, has created the fastest, most high-flying version of the NBA that we have ever seen. It also requires more effort on defense than ever before since they have to fly around the court to chase shooters and close out far away from the hoop.
These guys are such freak athletes-- so fast, so explosive. And with all the spacing and lack of physicality, these guys are are flying around 100% with very explosive cuts and hard changes of direction and I think they are putting more load and stress on the joints, ligaments, and soft tissue than ever before. If defenses could play more physically with hand-checking and some contact, I think it would slow/decelerate these players and reduce stress injuries. The increase in bruises/scratches would be worth it on balance.
plenty of players play 10+ years and the league average is twice the expectancy of the NFL. Injuries happen but typically they are not life threatening or even life altering. Incomparable to real contact sports which I'd define as brutal.
Durant tore his achilles which sucks for sure but it isn't comparable to repeated blows to the head, spinal injuries, etc.
Yeah you won't get the catastrophic injuries (neck/spine/head)
that football or hockey players will get, but getting guys through a season in one piece is very difficult. Guys will have long careers but there will be some injury-riddled seasons mixed in there.
I just checked MJ's games played - during his six title seasons he played 82 games four times, and 78 and 80 in the other two. What a freak.
and it should be expected. Doesn't disprove the fact that these guys get injured a lot.
This year is exceptionally worse for injuries though due to the short offseason and less days between games during the regular season. A Record high 7 all stars missing time in the playoffs — that numbers never been that high before. The playoffs are unfortunately being decided by injuries.
Also, this year excluded, I’m not sure if injury incident rates are higher in this era than previous eras as you seem to be suggesting, but to me basketball has always been a sport where little ankle/knee/leg injuries are quite common. It’s just the nature of the beast with all the jumping in tight spaces and guys taking contact while airborne— especially when so much of the NBA game is played above the rim.
I think we also notice the injuries in basketball moreso than football because there are games every other day so guys are missing games here and there whereas in football they have a full week to recover and are just missing days of practice during the week.
RE: Yeah you won't get the catastrophic injuries (neck/spine/head)
that football or hockey players will get, but getting guys through a season in one piece is very difficult. Guys will have long careers but there will be some injury-riddled seasons mixed in there.
I just checked MJ's games played - during his six title seasons he played 82 games four times, and 78 and 80 in the other two. What a freak.
Lebron’s durability throughout his career has also been incredible. He’s been on record as having a similar attitude toward load management as MJ would’ve had— that being: people paid a lot of money and this might be their only chance ever to get to see me play, if I’m healthy and available why wouldn’t i play? He can come off as annoying on the chart with the flopping and theatrics but he really is amazing in terms of durability. In that regard he and MJ were both freaks of nature especially given how much they were asked to do every season on both ends of the court. They’re both one of a kind and rare breeds in that regard.
and it should be expected. Doesn't disprove the fact that these guys get injured a lot.
This year is exceptionally worse for injuries though due to the short offseason and less days between games during the regular season. A Record high 7 all stars missing time in the playoffs — that numbers never been that high before. The playoffs are unfortunately being decided by injuries.
Also, this year excluded, I’m not sure if injury incident rates are higher in this era than previous eras as you seem to be suggesting, but to me basketball has always been a sport where little ankle/knee/leg injuries are quite common. It’s just the nature of the beast with all the jumping in tight spaces and guys taking contact while airborne— especially when so much of the NBA game is played above the rim.
I think we also notice the injuries in basketball moreso than football because there are games every other day so guys are missing games here and there whereas in football they have a full week to recover and are just missing days of practice during the week.
I'm not making any claims, only that KD's 48 minutes aren't a way to disprove injuries.
That played plenty of sports when I was younger and basketball was the sport I got injured in the most. So many sprained ankles lol. Now of course football was the one that gave me neck pain that lasted into my late 20s (that I finally was able to get rid of after years of physical therapy), but basketball it felt like at least once a year I’d sprain my ankle or knee, sometimes pretty badly. Luckily I never had any serious tears or broken bones requiring surgery so I was lucky in that regard.
I guess the “these guys get injured a lot” was the part I wasn’t sure what you meant— they do get injured a lot, but i wasn’t sure what “a lot” was relative to. Couldn’t tell if you were saying they get injured more than previous NBA eras, or more than other sports, or saying NBA guys get injured more than college players, etc. I’m thinking now you maybe just meant relative to other sports.
RE: Load Mgmt
Jon in NYC : 10:37 am : link : reply
In comment 15287415 Mdgiantsfan said:
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With all the load management these guys do, the china dolls are still broken.
Funny you say that after KD just played 48 minutes last night.
KD playing 48 minutes is great
UConn4523 : 10:39 am : link : reply
and it should be expected. Doesn't disprove the fact that these guys get injured a lot.
I was confirming that NBA players get injured a lot in my response above. From there I expanded on that after another comment that the injuries aren't brutal. Typically the worst thing you see in the NBA is a torn ligament and while its initially painful and you lose a year, it isn't at all relatable to what football players go through.
I don't know what the reason is for in the NBA but I suspect a lot of it has to do with how much money is being made now and just the culture that has been established since the era of the big man ended. There's really no reason to gut out an injury in the NBA - homecourt barely matters so seeding is almost an afterthought these days.
RE: Yeah you won't get the catastrophic injuries (neck/spine/head)
that football or hockey players will get, but getting guys through a season in one piece is very difficult. Guys will have long careers but there will be some injury-riddled seasons mixed in there.
I just checked MJ's games played - during his six title seasons he played 82 games four times, and 78 and 80 in the other two. What a freak.
To underscore this, Jordan for his entire career, except when he broke his foot in his second year, ALWAYS showed up, played hard and to win. And during an era where the game was extremely physical, but Jordan attacked the basket nonetheless.
If Kawhi’s injury makes him more likely to leave LA? New York has excellent health care and they have a nice base of players. In fact, at this point, Randle might be better than George.
If Kawhi’s injury makes him more likely to leave LA? New York has excellent health care and they have a nice base of players. In fact, at this point, Randle might be better than George.
Sell Kawhi on the younger Randle taking pressure off him in the down low game and being the 'bully' of the 2 forwards. Tell Kawhi we will build the team around him with the cap space and continue with his load management moving forward.
If Kawhi’s injury makes him more likely to leave LA? New York has excellent health care and they have a nice base of players. In fact, at this point, Randle might be better than George.
Sell Kawhi on the younger Randle taking pressure off him in the down low game and being the 'bully' of the 2 forwards. Tell Kawhi we will build the team around him with the cap space and continue with his load management moving forward.
My one negative thought I had today— if Kawhi’s knee is a determining factor in him leaving LA, and he has his choice of playing for any team in the league basically, would he really choose to come to play for Thibs when one of the main “bad” reputations of Thibs is the fact he tends to frown upon load management and push his players hard in the regular season? Even if he’d be willing to lighten up for Kawhi, would the reputation alone not scare Kawhi off a bit considering he can literally go play anywhere he wants?
He's definitely opting out if he's hurt again. Probably will want to sign a long term deal.
Yep, Kyrie and Kawhi both out, CP3 in COVID protocol, Conley out in Utah and Mitchell banged up, Embiid hobbled, DeAndre Hunter out in Atlanta - Milwaukee is the healthiest team left and they'll still blow it.
Funny you say that after KD just played 48 minutes last night.
yup i played football and lacrosse and the only sport i got hurt in was basketball..
broken collarbone, broken thumb, 2 ankles i tore the ligaments off th3 bone
Current spacing in the NBA and the increase in "freedom of movement" with the evolution of the "gather" or "zero" step, has created the fastest, most high-flying version of the NBA that we have ever seen. It also requires more effort on defense than ever before since they have to fly around the court to chase shooters and close out far away from the hoop.
These guys are such freak athletes-- so fast, so explosive. And with all the spacing and lack of physicality, these guys are are flying around 100% with very explosive cuts and hard changes of direction and I think they are putting more load and stress on the joints, ligaments, and soft tissue than ever before. If defenses could play more physically with hand-checking and some contact, I think it would slow/decelerate these players and reduce stress injuries. The increase in bruises/scratches would be worth it on balance.
Durant tore his achilles which sucks for sure but it isn't comparable to repeated blows to the head, spinal injuries, etc.
I just checked MJ's games played - during his six title seasons he played 82 games four times, and 78 and 80 in the other two. What a freak.
This year is exceptionally worse for injuries though due to the short offseason and less days between games during the regular season. A Record high 7 all stars missing time in the playoffs — that numbers never been that high before. The playoffs are unfortunately being decided by injuries.
Also, this year excluded, I’m not sure if injury incident rates are higher in this era than previous eras as you seem to be suggesting, but to me basketball has always been a sport where little ankle/knee/leg injuries are quite common. It’s just the nature of the beast with all the jumping in tight spaces and guys taking contact while airborne— especially when so much of the NBA game is played above the rim.
I think we also notice the injuries in basketball moreso than football because there are games every other day so guys are missing games here and there whereas in football they have a full week to recover and are just missing days of practice during the week.
I just checked MJ's games played - during his six title seasons he played 82 games four times, and 78 and 80 in the other two. What a freak.
Lebron’s durability throughout his career has also been incredible. He’s been on record as having a similar attitude toward load management as MJ would’ve had— that being: people paid a lot of money and this might be their only chance ever to get to see me play, if I’m healthy and available why wouldn’t i play? He can come off as annoying on the chart with the flopping and theatrics but he really is amazing in terms of durability. In that regard he and MJ were both freaks of nature especially given how much they were asked to do every season on both ends of the court. They’re both one of a kind and rare breeds in that regard.
Well...that is a killer for Clips.
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and it should be expected. Doesn't disprove the fact that these guys get injured a lot.
This year is exceptionally worse for injuries though due to the short offseason and less days between games during the regular season. A Record high 7 all stars missing time in the playoffs — that numbers never been that high before. The playoffs are unfortunately being decided by injuries.
Also, this year excluded, I’m not sure if injury incident rates are higher in this era than previous eras as you seem to be suggesting, but to me basketball has always been a sport where little ankle/knee/leg injuries are quite common. It’s just the nature of the beast with all the jumping in tight spaces and guys taking contact while airborne— especially when so much of the NBA game is played above the rim.
I think we also notice the injuries in basketball moreso than football because there are games every other day so guys are missing games here and there whereas in football they have a full week to recover and are just missing days of practice during the week.
I'm not making any claims, only that KD's 48 minutes aren't a way to disprove injuries.
Jon in NYC : 10:37 am : link : reply
In comment 15287415 Mdgiantsfan said:
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With all the load management these guys do, the china dolls are still broken.
Funny you say that after KD just played 48 minutes last night.
KD playing 48 minutes is great
UConn4523 : 10:39 am : link : reply
and it should be expected. Doesn't disprove the fact that these guys get injured a lot.
I was confirming that NBA players get injured a lot in my response above. From there I expanded on that after another comment that the injuries aren't brutal. Typically the worst thing you see in the NBA is a torn ligament and while its initially painful and you lose a year, it isn't at all relatable to what football players go through.
I don't know what the reason is for in the NBA but I suspect a lot of it has to do with how much money is being made now and just the culture that has been established since the era of the big man ended. There's really no reason to gut out an injury in the NBA - homecourt barely matters so seeding is almost an afterthought these days.
I just checked MJ's games played - during his six title seasons he played 82 games four times, and 78 and 80 in the other two. What a freak.
To underscore this, Jordan for his entire career, except when he broke his foot in his second year, ALWAYS showed up, played hard and to win. And during an era where the game was extremely physical, but Jordan attacked the basket nonetheless.
He really was a different breed.
Sell Kawhi on the younger Randle taking pressure off him in the down low game and being the 'bully' of the 2 forwards. Tell Kawhi we will build the team around him with the cap space and continue with his load management moving forward.
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If Kawhi’s injury makes him more likely to leave LA? New York has excellent health care and they have a nice base of players. In fact, at this point, Randle might be better than George.
Sell Kawhi on the younger Randle taking pressure off him in the down low game and being the 'bully' of the 2 forwards. Tell Kawhi we will build the team around him with the cap space and continue with his load management moving forward.
My one negative thought I had today— if Kawhi’s knee is a determining factor in him leaving LA, and he has his choice of playing for any team in the league basically, would he really choose to come to play for Thibs when one of the main “bad” reputations of Thibs is the fact he tends to frown upon load management and push his players hard in the regular season? Even if he’d be willing to lighten up for Kawhi, would the reputation alone not scare Kawhi off a bit considering he can literally go play anywhere he wants?