NFT: Cubs at Mets Game 3. deGrom

Let’s keep the mojo going!

Usual suspects with Nido in for McCannon (who should be rechristened’Mechanic’ for all the time he spends fooling around with his junk before an AB!)

But out of the question mark guys just give me back Nimmo and Carrasco at some point and this team will be unstoppable.

In comment 15287929 ZGiants98 said:

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But out of the question mark guys just give me back Nimmo and Carrasco at some point and this team will be unstoppable.

It’d be pretty damn deep. Think we will really need Thor this year tho. Just such a big innings jump for everyone especially Walker. Ideal season to put the hammer down early and use a six man rotation in the dog days.

Early runaways in their division are going to be better positioned this year. I’m gonna take a vacation in a couple of weeks and I’m going to look at SP usage in 95 after the strike, see how teams handled it. Just for a fun project.

You really only need three starting pitchers in the postseason. deGrom and Stroman are givens. Add Carrasco to that and we'll be looking pretty good.

That said, I sure as hell would like Syndergaard back for the postseason also!

Would love to hear it...

In comment 15287929 ZGiants98 said:

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But out of the question mark guys just give me back Nimmo and Carrasco at some point and this team will be unstoppable.

I do not think Almora is a given to be recalled onto the major league roster. If you are saying he is a given to recover soon, fine.

Starting June 21.

Masks asked to be worn for non vaccinated people, but Mets will not check or enforce.

Honor system.

In comment 15287940 SJGiant said:

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In comment 15287929 ZGiants98 said: Quote: But out of the question mark guys just give me back Nimmo and Carrasco at some point and this team will be unstoppable. I do not think Almora is a given to be recalled onto the major league roster. If you are saying he is a given to recover soon, fine.

He is. Mason Williams is not better than Almora. Almora is two years younger and had a sustained run of decent offense 2016-2018 coupled with elite CF defense. I see almost no reason why Williams would be kept at Almora's expense. That said, if we ever get the full OF back including Nimmo, I do see Almora being demoted to AAA to keep McKinney. But we are a long way from that. Almora should be back for Williams any day now.

In comment 15287945 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 15287940 SJGiant said: Quote: In comment 15287929 ZGiants98 said: Quote: But out of the question mark guys just give me back Nimmo and Carrasco at some point and this team will be unstoppable. I do not think Almora is a given to be recalled onto the major league roster. If you are saying he is a given to recover soon, fine. He is. Mason Williams is not better than Almora. Almora is two years younger and had a sustained run of decent offense 2016-2018 coupled with elite CF defense. I see almost no reason why Williams would be kept at Almora's expense. That said, if we ever get the full OF back including Nimmo, I do see Almora being demoted to AAA to keep McKinney. But we are a long way from that. Almora should be back for Williams any day now.

does williams have an option remaining?

But he's also not that good and unlikely to get claimed. But Drury has an option. Almora does too. Eventually if the Mets are healthy the bench should be

McKinney, Pillar, Davis, LG, and Nido

With Almora, Drury, Maybin, Mazeika etc in AAA as depth.

I think we will be setup just fine.

In comment 15287950 ZGiants98 said:

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But he's also not that good and unlikely to get claimed. But Drury has an option. Almora does too. Eventually if the Mets are healthy the bench should be McKinney, Pillar, Davis, LG, and Nido With Almora, Drury, Maybin, Mazeika etc in AAA as depth. I think we will be setup just fine.

these issues usually work itself out

effortlessly

In comment 15287950 ZGiants98 said:

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But he's also not that good and unlikely to get claimed. But Drury has an option. Almora does too. Eventually if the Mets are healthy the bench should be McKinney, Pillar, Davis, LG, and Nido With Almora, Drury, Maybin, Mazeika etc in AAA as depth. I think we will be setup just fine.

If I'm following your thinking, you have Villar as starting 3B and McNeil as starting 2B, with Smith, Nimmo and Conforto starting in the OF. Is that correct?

I could see this arrangement:
Catchers: McCann, Nido
Infielders: Alonso, McNeil, Villar, Lindor, Davis, Guillorme
Outfielders: Smith, Nimmo, Conforto, McKinney, Pillar

That's a helluva roster if everyone's healthy.

good stuff tonight,

Mullins has become a star. I'm adopting the Orioles as my second team complete with awful owner (Wilpons not Cohen).

Going to tomorrow's game. Bummed I'm missing deGrom...he's UFB. ?-and I don't mean to miller-is he HOF bound @ this rate?

In comment 15287970 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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Going to tomorrow's game. Bummed I'm missing deGrom...he's UFB. ?-and I don't mean to miller-is he HOF bound @ this rate?

Really tough for anybody to answer this question without knowing what happens from here on out. If he retired tomorrow then no he likely doesn't make it. If he wins another CY this season and has a normal decline then he's likely in, if he has 3-4 more seasons of "ace" level pitching he's in. His trajectory is HOF. Unlike say Trout, he's not a HOF without more data.

In comment 15287967 81_Great_Dane said:

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In comment 15287950 ZGiants98 said: Quote: But he's also not that good and unlikely to get claimed. But Drury has an option. Almora does too. Eventually if the Mets are healthy the bench should be McKinney, Pillar, Davis, LG, and Nido With Almora, Drury, Maybin, Mazeika etc in AAA as depth. I think we will be setup just fine. If I'm following your thinking, you have Villar as starting 3B and McNeil as starting 2B, with Smith, Nimmo and Conforto starting in the OF. Is that correct? I could see this arrangement: Catchers: McCann, Nido Infielders: Alonso, McNeil, Villar, Lindor, Davis, Guillorme Outfielders: Smith, Nimmo, Conforto, McKinney, Pillar That's a helluva roster if everyone's healthy.

Yes assuming everyone's healthy which might never happen. lol. We'll see!

Villar hit in the head... Ugh...

Coming for Villar. That sucks. Hope he’s ok.

again mentioned before the game that McNeil is the starting 2b . He's yet to see a start in the OF as they suggested they might do so it's pretty clear with everybody healthy Dom/Nimmo/Conforto are the starting OF. The guy who is going to see the biggest loss in PT is probably JD Davis.

Villar

In a sea of many of them...

In comment 15287979 DanMetroMan said:

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again mentioned before the game that McNeil is the starting 2b . He's yet to see a start in the OF as they suggested they might do so it's pretty clear with everybody healthy Dom/Nimmo/Conforto are the starting OF. The guy who is going to see the biggest loss in PT is probably JD Davis.

Yeah agreed. If Villar keep's up his line (wRC+ 115-ish) he's not going to lose his starting spot.

WTF

where he’s lost the flight of a pitch, or else he’s a masochist. He’s just not moving away when a pitch is at him last two nights.

Dangerous inning.

things work themselves out but hard to see where Davis gets regular ab's. Villar/Guillorme have been so good and Pillar is a better OF than Davis.

In comment 15287986 DanMetroMan said:

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things work themselves out but hard to see where Davis gets regular ab's. Villar/Guillorme have been so good and Pillar is a better OF than Davis.

Basically the few games with a DH, the occasional start at 3B against lefties, and PH

By Ortega.

In comment 15288000 ZGiants98 said:

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By Ortega.

Yes. Don’t even know who he is. Thought he was taco sauce.

deGrom probably won’t make it past 6 with the pitch count, as they’ve been keeping him low there

right there.

The other illar!

are nice. Get him in, Tomas!

AB. Wow!

deGrom legitimaitely is taking hitter ABs. Like this is not a fluke.

Absolutely hilarious.

and 4 ER allowed

DeGrom is just amazing. What else can you say.

deGrom the better pitcher and Ohtani the better hitter.

Every pitch

Fuck. Hope it’s just a blister or something.

deGrom is not fully healthy....

Dom!

Looks like he is coming out. This really sucks.

In comment 15288031 ZGiants98 said:

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deGrom is not fully healthy....

What happened? Was getting the 3 year old to bed and missed it

In comment 15288037 KDavies said:

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In comment 15288031 ZGiants98 said: Quote: deGrom is not fully healthy.... What happened? Was getting the 3 year old to bed and missed it

Its the same shit Im guessing. He was trying to stretch out his arm in the middle of the inning. He clearly was feeling something in there again. He took himself out.

he got his first perfect game

least. Really sucks. Just hope it’s not something worse. 🤞

What a huge loss. If it’s the same elbow problem then you gotta shut him down.

Call up Big Sexy from Mexico

That if they can ever get this team effing healthy they could e in World Series but this year has been non stop stress injury wise.

Gonna be another test for this team to win this game after that blow.

Just gotta shut him down for a bit if all structurally is sound

Holy shit. Every game something else...

Heartbreaking

His shoulder. Yikes

Inwas a little surprised they didn't at least get him a few extra days off inbetween starts to just try and get everything right. I just heard they are calling it shoulder soreness. So who knows. We all just hold our breath again. Although I will say his last pitch to strikole out Stock was 100 mph. I doubt it's serious.

For the absolute best but shoulder is also potentially the worst

In comment 15288053 DanMetroMan said:

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For the absolute best but shoulder is also potentially the worst

Rotator cuff would be season ending and probably never same pitcher again .

Praying 🙏

Would both be potentially career ending given his age and elbow history.

He finished the inning after acknowledging it in the middle.

My guess is its sore because he's been overcompensating for the other issues.

Either way, he needs to get shut down for 2 weeks and heal.

And its coming at the worst time possible.

In comment 15288053 DanMetroMan said:

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For the absolute best but shoulder is also potentially the worst

I have yo believe if it's a capsule tear there's no way he finishes the inning, and certainly not with 100 mph heat, right?

I'm going to stay positive. The only thing I'm bummed about is that he had 8 ks through 3 perfect innings, and you always think that something special could happen anytime deGrom is on the mound, and to have that start in this game, tonight could've been the night.

Very possible he could've chased 20 Ks tonight. Would've only needed to strikeout 12 of 18 of the remaining batters, which for deGrom is child's play.

deGrom is on another level this year. He's a surefire MVP if he's healthy.

Its going to be sad if deGrom is robbed of something that could have been truly special.

In comment 15288063 allstarjim said:

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In comment 15288053 DanMetroMan said: Quote: For the absolute best but shoulder is also potentially the worst I have yo believe if it's a capsule tear there's no way he finishes the inning, and certainly not with 100 mph heat, right? I'm going to stay positive. The only thing I'm bummed about is that he had 8 ks through 3 perfect innings, and you always think that something special could happen anytime deGrom is on the mound, and to have that start in this game, tonight could've been the night. Very possible he could've chased 20 Ks tonight. Would've only needed to strikeout 12 of 18 of the remaining batters, which for deGrom is child's play.

Agreed. He was dealing. I’m gonna think he’s been overcompensating for one strain or another. Just shut him down and deal with it. Bats just need to be really alive now and we can weather this.

In comment 15288062 ZGiants98 said:

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He finished the inning after acknowledging it in the middle. My guess is its sore because he's been overcompensating for the other issues. Either way, he needs to get shut down for 2 weeks and heal. And its coming at the worst time possible.

My thoughts as well. Cautiously optimistic since he finished the inning strong. Shut him down for a couple weeks. Sign a Porcello or Bartolo in the meantime.

Just hit an absolute bomb.

the broadside of a barn

without any drop in performance. Perhaps I’m an optimist but this strikes me again as degrom knowing his body very well and being overly cautious.

Ball was well off the plate...

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I'd engage the best possible orthopedist on the planet.

and have him and all his equipment with me at all times.

He is in the midst of one of the all time greatest seasons a pitcher has ever had - even now that might be in jeopardy - let alone the Mets playoff chances reduce without him.

if he's so fragile - and they knew going in to the game he had a lingering issue - he might not be getting the best medical advice.

IOW - is the same guy who told Nimmo his ligament tear was nerve damage also the guy telling deGrom he's fine to make his next start (tonight)?

because I don't trust that guy.

In comment 15288080 CGiants07 said:

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Maybe they should get a diagnosis first?

Man...

All 1-3 tonight so far. Almora's hit was a double.

In comment 15288087 allstarjim said:

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In comment 15288080 CGiants07 said: Quote: ... Maybe they should get a diagnosis first?

they did shoulder soreness

is certainly an interesting choice

be playing a bit distracted. Gotta put the gas down and get W’s with whomever is available.

In comment 15288102 CGiants07 said:

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In comment 15288087 allstarjim said: Quote: In comment 15288080 CGiants07 said: Quote: ... Maybe they should get a diagnosis first? they did shoulder soreness

No, that's his symptom. They still have to do an MRI to do a proper diagnosis, which will likely happen tomorrow.

to give us some length tonight

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to give us some length tonight

I honestly dont like pushing him. I'd go to Gsellman for the last two. Or even use Smith for one of them.

We got this one.

to come in and rebuild his confidence

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to come in and rebuild his confidence

Good call. Hope he’s making strides.

For a change?

to Rizzo.

May.

or Familia?

Couple of rough outings previously

struggled again, 5 BB's (and 4 ER) in 4 IP. 6K's, but the walks will keep him in Syracuse I think.

Anyone hear how his stuff was when it was on?

Loup move and it’s something that I wouldn’t have expected Rojas to do earlier in the season. Up 6-1, protect the game by preventing runs in the 6th and 7th instead of throwing a lesser reliever out there like Smith. Good move.

Drew Smith needs to work more down in minors

In comment 15288180 ryanmkeane said:

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Loup move and it’s something that I wouldn’t have expected Rojas to do earlier in the season. Up 6-1, protect the game by preventing runs in the 6th and 7th instead of throwing a lesser reliever out there like Smith. Good move.

Yeah his in game decisions seem to be getting better. Loved that move too.

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Drew Smith needs to work more down in minors

He doesn’t pitch regularly as the last man out of the bullpen so he will have nights where it just isn’t working.

in the OF.

Loving the speed and defense

Will be on the midnight greyhound to Syracuse

Degrom seemed to have no hit stuff tonight

In comment 15288180 ryanmkeane said:

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Loup move and it’s something that I wouldn’t have expected Rojas to do earlier in the season. Up 6-1, protect the game by preventing runs in the 6th and 7th instead of throwing a lesser reliever out there like Smith. Good move.

It was a nice move. Well, 10 games up, a 5-1 start to a home stand against winning teams and everyone feels crappy. Hope for good new on DeGrom!

That many pitches over and over at 101mph.

looks less spirited than after last start. Can’t imagine how disappointed he must be.

deGrom said he didn’t think it was anything major

i would shut him down for 2 weeks just to be safe.

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i would shut him down for 2 weeks just to be safe.

Yup. Heal up those nagging issues. I dont care if his MRI is 100% clean. Shut him down.

Showed no decline of strength in the right shoulder

So it is unlikely to be a tear. I guess it could be a sign that a rotator cuff is imminent but almost certainly no serious structural damage yet

Degrom also said he was confident it was nothing serious

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Not a doctor (I say that in a positive way) but definitely disheartening to see how unsure he was about his arm vs the last 2 times where he essentially laughed it off. Fingers crossed

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i would shut him down for 2 weeks just to be safe.

without question