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NFT: Mets Minors 6/17/2021

DanMetroMan : 6/17/2021 8:31 am
Hard to even enjoyably put this together until we hear more about JdG


Syracuse
Conforto 1-3
McNeil 2-4, 2b
Almora 1-4, 2b, BB, 2 k's
Blankenhorn 2-4
Lee 1-4, BB, 2 k's
Szapucki 4 innings 5 hits 4 runs 5 walks 6 k's (He's simply not shown he's big-league ready which is tough given the upcoming SP needs. He's now made 6 starts and lasted 5 or more innings 2 times. Last 2 starts 7.2 innings 11 hits 9 runs 8 walks).
Diaz 1.1 innings 3 hits 3 runs 2 walks 2 k's


AA
Cortes 1-5, K
Vientos 2-4, HR, 2b, K (hat tip to Eric)
(Ugly roster, legit nobody else of interest)

A+
Mauricio 2-4, HR (career high 7th)
Baty 2-4
Alvarez 2-4, BB, K (quietly struggling recently, average down to .228, so good game to see)
Tiberi 0-4 4 k's (66 ab's 32 k's 4 extra base hits... wow)

A
Ramirez 2-4, 2b (heating up?)
Betances .1 innings 3 hits 5 runs 2 walks 0 k's (excellent career but he looks to be at the end of the road)
salary dump  
Hilary : 6/17/2021 8:45 am : link
What pitchers can the Mets pick up as a salary dump from another team? The minors do not seem to have anyone.
very disappointing for Szapucki  
KDavies : 6/17/2021 8:55 am : link
hard to see him get the call with his past two starts.
RE: salary dump  
KDavies : 6/17/2021 9:17 am : link
In comment 15288343 Hilary said:
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What pitchers can the Mets pick up as a salary dump from another team? The minors do not seem to have anyone.


Looking at teams really out of it, you have the Orioles, Tigers, Royals, Twins, Rangers, Pirates, Rockies, Diamondbacks. Maybe some others, and maybe some of those teams (Twins) have delusions they are better than they are.

I am targeting veterans on the end of their deal. Royals have Minor (who has a couple years with a favorable contract).

Twins: Maeda has a ridiculously low contract. Happ might be an interesting one. Has an ERA over 6, but was solid last year, would be cheap, and move to NL might help.

Orioles: Pass on Harvey unless they get him for nothing. He is probably done.

Tigers: Spencer Turnbull would cost a good bit.

Rangers: Gibson is signed through next year. He could be a target but would cost

Pirates: Tyler Anderson is mediocre, but wouldn't cost much. JT Brubaker is a real interesting one, but would likely cost Mauricio. I'd see if I could get him for maybe Vientos and Szapucki.

Rockies: Gray has been garbage. Likely Rockies don't trade him at low. Marquez is another one like Brubaker

DBacks: Merrill Kelly is an interesting one. Pretty mediocre, but 32 and not yet eligible for arbitration (a weird combo). I'd call on him.

So, to sum up, real cheap options include guys like Happ, Tyler Anderson, maybe a Merrill Kelly. All those guys are is back end innings eaters.

If you are prepared to pay, I expect guys like Minor, Maeda (though he might cost a Vientos+ due to contract) and Gibson are on shorter deals/are older and could probably be had for lower-level prospects. If you want to dip into Vientos/maybe Mauricio level, Turnbull, Brubaker, Marquez.
vientos still needs to hit more singles!!!!!!  
Eric on Li : 6/17/2021 9:57 am : link
OPS is now at .750 but if you look at the monthly splits it was .690 in May and now .873 in June. Hopefully continues that trend to a good 2nd half and ends up with a very respectable first year in AA. Almost need him to play well enough to start next year in Cuse so Baty can move up, but I guess they could always just play him at first (or maybe try him in a corner?).

We haven't talked about him in the OF much but with the lack of depth in the system he'd be an interesting guy to groom for a corner. He should be close to breaking through around the time they run out of team control for the current position flexible options like JDD and Dom. Another JDD would be a great outcome, especially if the defense can be a little cleaner.
RE: RE: salary dump  
Eric on Li : 6/17/2021 9:59 am : link
In comment 15288369 KDavies said:
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In comment 15288343 Hilary said:


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What pitchers can the Mets pick up as a salary dump from another team? The minors do not seem to have anyone.



Looking at teams really out of it, you have the Orioles, Tigers, Royals, Twins, Rangers, Pirates, Rockies, Diamondbacks. Maybe some others, and maybe some of those teams (Twins) have delusions they are better than they are.

I am targeting veterans on the end of their deal. Royals have Minor (who has a couple years with a favorable contract).

Twins: Maeda has a ridiculously low contract. Happ might be an interesting one. Has an ERA over 6, but was solid last year, would be cheap, and move to NL might help.

Orioles: Pass on Harvey unless they get him for nothing. He is probably done.

Tigers: Spencer Turnbull would cost a good bit.

Rangers: Gibson is signed through next year. He could be a target but would cost

Pirates: Tyler Anderson is mediocre, but wouldn't cost much. JT Brubaker is a real interesting one, but would likely cost Mauricio. I'd see if I could get him for maybe Vientos and Szapucki.

Rockies: Gray has been garbage. Likely Rockies don't trade him at low. Marquez is another one like Brubaker

DBacks: Merrill Kelly is an interesting one. Pretty mediocre, but 32 and not yet eligible for arbitration (a weird combo). I'd call on him.

So, to sum up, real cheap options include guys like Happ, Tyler Anderson, maybe a Merrill Kelly. All those guys are is back end innings eaters.

If you are prepared to pay, I expect guys like Minor, Maeda (though he might cost a Vientos+ due to contract) and Gibson are on shorter deals/are older and could probably be had for lower-level prospects. If you want to dip into Vientos/maybe Mauricio level, Turnbull, Brubaker, Marquez.


I'm a big fan of the Minor idea. Really like that he could flex to BP if necessary and supposedly great intangibles there. I think someone like him would be a better fit than needing to add a SP and RP separately and take up 2 roster spots - though if Thor or Carrasco get completely shut down that would change things.
Mike Minor  
KDavies : 6/17/2021 10:14 am : link
He is 33. Under contract next year for $10 million, with $13 million team option for 2023. Got to figure Royals don't mind getting rid of that contract.

RE: Mike Minor  
Eric on Li : 6/17/2021 10:22 am : link
In comment 15288400 KDavies said:
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He is 33. Under contract next year for $10 million, with $13 million team option for 2023. Got to figure Royals don't mind getting rid of that contract.


would think not but I know when they signed him they made a big deal about how they wanted him there to mentor their young pitching. I would hope saving 4m this year and 10m the next 2, plus maybe someone like Newton or Kilome, would make them think twice about that though.
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Named Later : 6/17/2021 10:48 am : link
I like that list KDavies....thanks for posting that.

It'd be nice to know the needs of the teams mentioned. Any of them interested in a young minor league slugging DH/3B/1B ??

How about a tall lefty pitcher making his way back from surgery ??

Will  
DanMetroMan : 6/17/2021 12:04 pm : link
Carroll says he believes all of deGrom's injuries are related and he will have a post about it up tomorrow on his site.
If I were the Yankees, I'd be figuring out what it would take  
81_Great_Dane : 6/17/2021 12:10 pm : link
to pry Dom Smith loose from the Mets. Probably a package of prospects.

If I were the Mets and the Yankees came calling with a package of prospects, I'd at least take the call.
RE: If I were the Yankees, I'd be figuring out what it would take  
DanMetroMan : 6/17/2021 12:14 pm : link
In comment 15288471 81_Great_Dane said:
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to pry Dom Smith loose from the Mets. Probably a package of prospects.

If I were the Mets and the Yankees came calling with a package of prospects, I'd at least take the call.


Yankees will probably trade for someone like Schwarber. Dom to the Yankees is the kind of trade neither franchise is likely to make when both are "good". The two teams also don't match up particularly well with the Yankees not having much in the way of MLB ready SP. Schmidt is hurt, Garcia isn't ready. I like Gil but 50/50 he remains a SP
Not Mets related  
DanMetroMan : 6/17/2021 12:18 pm : link
but do the Giants dangle Joey Bart as a trade chip? I can't see them moving on from Posey. He looks reborn
RE: Will  
Eric on Li : 6/17/2021 12:25 pm : link
In comment 15288466 DanMetroMan said:
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Carroll says he believes all of deGrom's injuries are related and he will have a post about it up tomorrow on his site.


that seems a safe bet, every new issue is likely over compensating for whatever the main issue is. There's rarely much downside in just giving players more rest so honestly I'd tell him to take a couple weeks, do some PT, then maybe start ramping back up before the ASB to be ready for the 2nd half. Unless of course if they diagnose him with something more significant than they have so far.
RE: Will  
moze1021 : 6/17/2021 12:26 pm : link
In comment 15288466 DanMetroMan said:
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Carroll says he believes all of deGrom's injuries are related and he will have a post about it up tomorrow on his site.


We'll see what he says...but I've been saying I think it's all to do with the fact that he is pushing the limits of the human body...
RE: RE: Will  
DanMetroMan : 6/17/2021 12:28 pm : link
In comment 15288480 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 15288466 DanMetroMan said:


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Carroll says he believes all of deGrom's injuries are related and he will have a post about it up tomorrow on his site.



that seems a safe bet, every new issue is likely over compensating for whatever the main issue is. There's rarely much downside in just giving players more rest so honestly I'd tell him to take a couple weeks, do some PT, then maybe start ramping back up before the ASB to be ready for the 2nd half. Unless of course if they diagnose him with something more significant than they have so far.


Just to add, his site is free so I don't think it's clickbait or anything. He's the OG injury guy dating back to his time with ESPN so I'm eager to read what he says.
RE: Not Mets related  
Vanzetti : 6/17/2021 12:31 pm : link
In comment 15288475 DanMetroMan said:
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but do the Giants dangle Joey Bart as a trade chip? I can't see them moving on from Posey. He looks reborn


Belts contract is up, so Posey could play more 1B

But you are definitely right about Posey. He did not play last year and it really helped his body. The really remarkable thing is that his defense is elite
RE: RE: Not Mets related  
DanMetroMan : 6/17/2021 12:34 pm : link
In comment 15288488 Vanzetti said:
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In comment 15288475 DanMetroMan said:


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but do the Giants dangle Joey Bart as a trade chip? I can't see them moving on from Posey. He looks reborn



Belts contract is up, so Posey could play more 1B

But you are definitely right about Posey. He did not play last year and it really helped his body. The really remarkable thing is that his defense is elite


They also have Patrick Bailey who they also took first round this past June who shouldn't be more than a year away. I don't think it would be crazy of them to dangle Bart for a non-rental.
RE: Mike Minor  
Vanzetti : 6/17/2021 12:34 pm : link
In comment 15288400 KDavies said:
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He is 33. Under contract next year for $10 million, with $13 million team option for 2023. Got to figure Royals don't mind getting rid of that contract.


Minor needs to go back to the pen. He was a dominant reliever and has been a mediocre starter, really less than mediocre since his one good season when he had a 3.59 era
I  
DanMetroMan : 6/17/2021 12:38 pm : link
still think Heaney/Cobb/Iglesias would be nice pickups (and realistic).
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pjcas18 : 6/17/2021 1:24 pm : link
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RE: RE: Mike Minor  
Eric on Li : 6/17/2021 1:25 pm : link
In comment 15288491 Vanzetti said:
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In comment 15288400 KDavies said:


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He is 33. Under contract next year for $10 million, with $13 million team option for 2023. Got to figure Royals don't mind getting rid of that contract.




Minor needs to go back to the pen. He was a dominant reliever and has been a mediocre starter, really less than mediocre since his one good season when he had a 3.59 era


which is a big part of why he's a good fit here. add a temporary starter to through the next couple months until the other guys get healthy, then shift him to the pen and add possibly the best lefty reliever on the market. possibly even the best overall reliever depending on whether or not his stuff gets a little stronger out of the pen. his fb spin rate is in the 94th percentile while his velocity is only 16th (91 mph), but velocity tends to go up when guys switch from starting to relieving.
RE: Not Mets related  
speedywheels : 6/17/2021 1:27 pm : link
In comment 15288475 DanMetroMan said:
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but do the Giants dangle Joey Bart as a trade chip? I can't see them moving on from Posey. He looks reborn


He does look great this season, but he's also 34 (35 in March). He's not going to be a catcher for too much longer
I would almost never feel compelled to trade a high end prospect  
Eric on Li : 6/17/2021 1:32 pm : link
just because the position is blocked. Sort of like our situation with Dom/Alonso, and previously with Gimenez/Rosario, and in the future Lindor/Mauricio. More often than not things get sorted out by performance or injuries or being able to find another spot for someone.

It's generally harder to find really good players than to find a new place for a really good player to play.
RE: I would almost never feel compelled to trade a high end prospect  
DanMetroMan : 6/17/2021 1:54 pm : link
In comment 15288537 Eric on Li said:
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just because the position is blocked. Sort of like our situation with Dom/Alonso, and previously with Gimenez/Rosario, and in the future Lindor/Mauricio. More often than not things get sorted out by performance or injuries or being able to find another spot for someone.

It's generally harder to find really good players than to find a new place for a really good player to play.


Eric,
They took another college catcher 13th overall. Bart has walked 5 times. I’d move him in one second for a difference maker
RE: RE: I would almost never feel compelled to trade a high end prospect  
Eric on Li : 6/17/2021 1:58 pm : link
In comment 15288557 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 15288537 Eric on Li said:


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just because the position is blocked. Sort of like our situation with Dom/Alonso, and previously with Gimenez/Rosario, and in the future Lindor/Mauricio. More often than not things get sorted out by performance or injuries or being able to find another spot for someone.

It's generally harder to find really good players than to find a new place for a really good player to play.



Eric,
They took another college catcher 13th overall. Bart has walked 5 times. I’d move him in one second for a difference maker


anyone is tradable in the right deal. as I said I wouldn't feel compelled to trade anyone just because of depth. if they both work out odds are 1 of them will be able to find another position (and DH will still probably be in the NL soon enough). And if not and you have 2 or 3 awesome catchers thats the opposite of a problem in my book. Posey is 34 and only under contract for 1 more year.
Clean  
DanMetroMan : 6/17/2021 2:26 pm : link
Bill of health for DeGrom. Will get a second opinion
Bart  
DanMetroMan : 6/17/2021 2:27 pm : link
Being “awesome” is a stretch. His profile is low OBP 20+ homers and a good glove: he’s Rutschman/Alvarez.
He’s  
DanMetroMan : 6/17/2021 2:31 pm : link
NOT a Rutschman Alvarez. Sorry
Law  
DanMetroMan : 6/17/2021 2:33 pm : link
41. Joey Bart, C, San Francisco, Age: 24

Bart only debuted out of need, and his lack of experience really showed, especially once pitchers adjusted to him and started pounding him with soft stuff away. The No. 2 overall pick in 2018, Bart missed a chunk of time in 2019 due to injury, so he reached the majors with just 130 games of pro experience, and that exacerbated the problems he already had with contact. Bart has plus power, a plus arm, and gets raves for his receiving and game-calling, so it comes down to how much he can hit. With his deep hand load and some recognition issues with off-speed pitches, he’s not an advanced hitter right now, and there’s a good chance he ends up a 40/45 hitter but is still a regular because he’s a great defensive catcher with power. I generally argue that we should dismiss stats from 2020, but Bart whiffing on more than a quarter of the non-fastballs he saw this year is at least a tiny bit concerning, especially with previous concerns on his hit tool. I think he’s a longtime regular, with the high floor from his defense, but maybe doesn’t have the hit tool to be a star.
Longenhagen  
DanMetroMan : 6/17/2021 2:38 pm : link
With new questions about his bat, Bart’s defensive tools become the foundation of his skillset. He’s Mike Alstott’s size but with the lateral quickness and ground game of a small-framed catcher. He’s quick out of his crouch and throws accurate lasers to second base. He also has field general qualities: he’s a rousing, vocal leader at times, a calming presence at others. Still likely to be an everyday catcher, Bart’s ceiling is now dictated entirely by how much of his power he can get to in games. (Alternate site, MLB)
Citifield  
10thAve : 6/17/2021 4:40 pm : link
Off topic but has anyone been to Citi since they expanded capacity limits? I’m going next Saturday the 26th and wanted to find out about pregame options.

I heard Mikeller is permanently closed, is that true? Has anything replaced it? Is McFadden’s closed too?
however good he is as a prospect likely scales with the return  
Eric on Li : 6/17/2021 4:47 pm : link
i.e. if the SFG are as high on him as the day they drafted him presumably someone else around the league is too and the return would be better than if they and the rest of the league are lower on him now.

again, nobody is untradeable and if there is ever an imbalance on the value equation where a team is offering you something better than what you think you have, you do the trade.

my point is if the value is close to equivalent or worse, I wouldn't feel any urgency to trade any prospect at a discount just because there's depth in my organization.
RE: Citifield  
DanMetroMan : 6/17/2021 5:03 pm : link
In comment 15288656 10thAve said:
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Off topic but has anyone been to Citi since they expanded capacity limits? I’m going next Saturday the 26th and wanted to find out about pregame options.

I heard Mikeller is permanently closed, is that true? Has anything replaced it? Is McFadden’s closed too?


Mikkeller closed. It’s been relaxed by Ebbs owned by... Bruce Wilpon... 1000% not kidding. I didn’t see the taproom when I was there last weekend so not sure if it’s opened yet. McFadden’s is gone and will become a chain restaurant called Aroogas which I’m unfamiliar with but I guess is big in NJ?
RE: RE: Citifield  
10thAve : 6/18/2021 6:49 am : link
In comment 15288670 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 15288656 10thAve said:


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Off topic but has anyone been to Citi since they expanded capacity limits? I’m going next Saturday the 26th and wanted to find out about pregame options.

I heard Mikeller is permanently closed, is that true? Has anything replaced it? Is McFadden’s closed too?



Mikkeller closed. It’s been relaxed by Ebbs owned by... Bruce Wilpon... 1000% not kidding. I didn’t see the taproom when I was there last weekend so not sure if it’s opened yet. McFadden’s is gone and will become a chain restaurant called Aroogas which I’m unfamiliar with but I guess is big in NJ?

Thanks for the info. Disappointed about Mikkeller, I really liked that place. Was never a fan of McFadden’s so not a big loss for me; though I’ve never heard of Aroogas. But I’m sure it’s the same concept as McFadden’s.
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