chances to shine. Aside from hi initial call up, nothing happened.
Wish him well.
This. It’s a shame it didn’t work out here. It must be frustrating as a borderline major leaguer that finally gets his chance and doesn’t take advantage of it. Once Voit comes back, will Gittens get another chance with the big club.
He proved he could play in 2019. Its true that in abbreviated action on '20 and this year he didn't show much, but throwing him away like this while the likes of Kriske and Wilson are still on the 40 man roster is just plain dumb. Perhaps if he got more spring training and early season at bats instead of wasting them on Jay Bruce, he'd be more useful now.
BTW, Thairo Estrada is batting .395 for SF's AAA affiliate. While he was here he proved he could hit for power at the MLB level, he could play any position, he was a fast baserunner and he was a natural shortstop. Do ya think he might be more useful than Odor ?
Unlike a lot of other people here I'm not going to bash Cashman for the Hicks or Severino contracts. I'm not going to bash him for bring in Kluber and Taillon. I don't remember anyone criticizing those moves when they were made so I won't either.
However many of the moves he made were just dumb from the get go. Bringing in Jay Bruce, Bringing back Gardner, trading Estrada for nothing and now trading Ford for nothing are stupid short sighted moves.
Any major leaguer who is willing to talk to the children at the park
are worth their weight in gold. There is nothing more special as a kid then to have a major leaguer spend a minute with them.....even if just laughing and bantering while signing an autograph.
Being a Met fan, I don't really have any knowledge of Ford except for seeing a couple of at bats earlier this year. He looks like a big guy who could put it together and develop some power numbers.
I wish him well. Keep talking to the kids!!!! It makes their day!
But Cashman has to go, along with Levine, Boone, the coaches that Boone brought in, and several of the players. These guys have all had too many chances to get it done and have failed miserably.
He proved he could play in 2019. Its true that in abbreviated action on '20 and this year he didn't show much, but throwing him away like this while the likes of Kriske and Wilson are still on the 40 man roster is just plain dumb. Perhaps if he got more spring training and early season at bats instead of wasting them on Jay Bruce, he'd be more useful now.
BTW, Thairo Estrada is batting .395 for SF's AAA affiliate. While he was here he proved he could hit for power at the MLB level, he could play any position, he was a fast baserunner and he was a natural shortstop. Do ya think he might be more useful than Odor ?
Unlike a lot of other people here I'm not going to bash Cashman for the Hicks or Severino contracts. I'm not going to bash him for bring in Kluber and Taillon. I don't remember anyone criticizing those moves when they were made so I won't either.
However many of the moves he made were just dumb from the get go. Bringing in Jay Bruce, Bringing back Gardner, trading Estrada for nothing and now trading Ford for nothing are stupid short sighted moves.
Whatever.
Ford had more than enough chances while here. He did not get it done. Time to move on. There are others on the way up. At 26/27 he has shown what he could do and AAAA looks like it.
Estrada is slightly more sad. But they have Park and Peraza on the way with what looks like a higher floor.
He proved he could play in 2019. Its true that in abbreviated action on '20 and this year he didn't show much, but throwing him away like this while the likes of Kriske and Wilson are still on the 40 man roster is just plain dumb. Perhaps if he got more spring training and TD early season at bats instead of wasting them on Jay Bruce, he'd be more useful now.
BTW, Thairo Estrada is batting .395 for SF's AAA affiliate. While he was here he proved he could hit for power at the MLB level, he could play any position, he was a fast baserunner and he was a natural shortstop. Do ya think he might be more useful than Odor ?
Unlike a lot of other people here I'm not going to bash Cashman for the Hicks or Severino contracts. I'm not going to bash him for bring in Kluber and Taillon. I don't remember anyone criticizing those moves when they were made so I won't either.
However many of the moves he made were just dumb from the get go. Bringing in Jay Bruce, Bringing back Gardner, trading Estrada for nothing and now trading Ford for nothing are stupid short sighted moves.
Whatever.
Ford had more than enough chances while here. He did not get it done. Time to move on. There are others on the way up. At 26/27 he has shown what he could do and AAAA looks like it.
Estrada is slightly more sad. But they have Park and Peraza on the way with what looks like a higher floor.
do people expect to get back for Mike Ford? Mf'ers talking about Ford like he's some sort of high talent asset who hasn't gotten every chance to succeed. And he probably wanted to get outta here with Gittens coming in the scene and Voit coming back. He's redundant. The fact they got anything is a win.
But Cashman has to go, along with Levine, Boone, the coaches that Boone brought in, and several of the players. These guys have all had too many chances to get it done and have failed miserably.
Can we define "failed miserably"?? Under Boone, the Yanks have made the playoffs every season, with over 100 wins in the two years he possibly could do that. They've finished 1st or 2nd that entire time in a division with the Rays and Sox.
Is failing miserably not winning the World Series?? Or is it just more ridiculous exaggeration?
Is failing miserably not winning the World Series?? Or is it just more ridiculous exaggeration?
Just in the last few months, the Yankees lost the talents of Mike Tauchman and Mike Ford. I mean, we had those guys, they were ours. And now they're not. Has a baseball franchise ever failed as spectacularly as that?
But Cashman has to go, along with Levine, Boone, the coaches that Boone brought in, and several of the players. These guys have all had too many chances to get it done and have failed miserably.
Can we define "failed miserably"?? Under Boone, the Yanks have made the playoffs every season, with over 100 wins in the two years he possibly could do that. They've finished 1st or 2nd that entire time in a division with the Rays and Sox.
Is failing miserably not winning the World Series?? Or is it just more ridiculous exaggeration?
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How about getting to the WS, that was last done in 2009.
At this point, that is failing miserably with this franchise. It's not the KC Royals, once every 30 years.
Now that they brought in Cole, it's WS or bust for them.
RE: RE: RE: Basically agree with Ron in Ninerland.
But Cashman has to go, along with Levine, Boone, the coaches that Boone brought in, and several of the players. These guys have all had too many chances to get it done and have failed miserably.
Can we define "failed miserably"?? Under Boone, the Yanks have made the playoffs every season, with over 100 wins in the two years he possibly could do that. They've finished 1st or 2nd that entire time in a division with the Rays and Sox.
Is failing miserably not winning the World Series?? Or is it just more ridiculous exaggeration?
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How about getting to the WS, that was last done in 2009.
At this point, that is failing miserably with this franchise. It's not the KC Royals, once every 30 years.
Now that they brought in Cole, it's WS or bust for them.
This is why everyone on the planet can’t stand us Yankees fans. WS or bust? Give me a freakin break. The sense of entitlement with some of you is nauseating. Getting to the WS is hard! You aren’t owed anything. Be grateful that you’ve gotten what you have. Hope for the best but it’s time to stop acting like going to the WS is your birthright.
I don't think i've approached any team I root for with a
title or bust mentality. Getting to, let alone winning a title in any sport requires a ton of things to go right. Citing our team payroll doesn't mean much, it really isn't an indicator of anything. Payroll can't buy health.
fan perspective helps explain some of the shitheads on BBI who scream that we're one of the worst teams in the NFL.
When the titles are brought up, they scream, THAT WAS A DECADE AGO!!!
The oddity with the Yankees is that they aren't even a bad team. they aren't even mediocre. They are a very good team. Now. Last year. For the past decade and more.
But Cashman has to go, along with Levine, Boone, the coaches that Boone brought in, and several of the players. These guys have all had too many chances to get it done and have failed miserably.
Can we define "failed miserably"?? Under Boone, the Yanks have made the playoffs every season, with over 100 wins in the two years he possibly could do that. They've finished 1st or 2nd that entire time in a division with the Rays and Sox.
Is failing miserably not winning the World Series?? Or is it just more ridiculous exaggeration?
Failed miserbly= not appeared in a WS since 2009. Since then, the Giants have won 3x, the Sawx 2x, and the Cards, Royals, Cubs. Astros, Nationals and Dodgers have won.
Among teams that lost the Series, the Rangers appeared twice during that time, the Dodgers 2x, the Tigers, Cards, Royals, Mets, Indians, Astros and Tampa were all in the Series.
So you can go ahead and pound your chest about winning the division 3 times in the last 12 years and making the playoffs where they have been bounced every single time. The longest WS drought in Yankee history was 1982-1995- 13 years. Cash is now 2010-2020, and I don't see this team making it this year.
When organizations like the Royals, Nationals, Tigers and Rangers can make a WS appearance in the last 10 years, you would think the Yankees could manage one.
I'm not sure what league you think the Giants play in, but yes, it's the NFL. The context should have made it pretty clear what team Fatman was referring to as being called the worst.
are 18-46. Tied with the Jets for the worst record in the NFL. Dead. Last.
In the decade between 2010-2020 the Giants had the 24th best record in NFL even though they won a Super Bowl. They won 10 games or more three times and lost 10 games or more six times.
Those numbers make you wonder how some of the shitheads on BBI scream every time it's pointed that the Giants are one of the worst teams in the NFL.
As far as failing miserably goes it depends on your expectations for the Yankees and your personal definition of "failing miserably".
These are the Yankees the richest and most famous baseball team in the world and they play by MLB rules not NFL rules. MLB is not a level playing field and revenue is not split evenly among all the teams. There is no salary cap in MLB.
The Yankees have spent over 4 billion dollars in payroll since 2005 when the Don became too ill to carry out his duties and his small time capo GM consolidated his power and took over the baseball operation for life.
Since that time the Yankees have been to WS once and won it that one time.
The Red Sox have won the WS 3 times since 2005 and the Rays have been to two and lost both times.
We have often discussed on this web site how the Giants 2 outlier Super Bowls in the Tom Coughlin era are much > than Andy Reid's consistent excellence in his Philadelphia era that never brought home a Super Bowl win. That's in the NFL with a level playing field that makes continued excellence much more difficult than in MLB. There are no medals for almost winning championships in sports.
Maybe we could change that and award the Yankees a participation trophy for buying their way into the playoffs in MLB by spending anywhere from 50% to 150% more on players than their competition and then shitting the bed for a decade when the playoffs start? Making the playoffs in MLB with the highest payroll in the sport doesn't qualify for much of an accomplishment in my opinion.
By the Yankees own standards they have failed miserably in the last decade. The Yankees won the most games in MLB in the 80's. They won nothing. The 80's were a miserable failure.
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A pennant-less decade hasn't been seen by nearly any Yankees fan over the age of 9. In fact, one has to slide their finger all the way down to the 1910s to find the last decade in which the Bronx Bombers didn’t reach the World Series.
The Yankees, who last won it all in 2009, have gone through longer pennant droughts overall. The franchise played 18 seasons before capturing its first AL pennant in 1921, and went dry for another 14 seasons from 1982-95. The waning years of Mickey Mantle’s career, and the subsequent beginnings of Yanks stars like Thurman Munson, Bobby Murcer and Sparky Lyle, saw the club go 11 seasons without a pennant from 1965-75.
Even in an era that’s featured more parity than any other in baseball history (the 1998-2000 Yankees remain the most recent repeat World Series champions), the pinstripes have certainly put themselves in strong positions to contend throughout the decade. The Yanks finished with the most wins (921) and highest run differential (+1,088) of any MLB team during the 2010s, meaning this will be the first decade in history in which the club with either of those distinctions failed to win a single pennant. They also tied the Dodgers for the most postseason appearances, with seven. The Wild Card Game means there are more competitors to deal with in October, but New York has only lost that winner-take-all gauntlet once (2015, to the Astros) this decade. The Bronx Bombers finished this decade with a 24-27 record (.471) in postseason games, just the third decade (joining the 1960s and ‘80s) in which the club posted a losing record in October.
I'm not sure what league you think the Giants play in, but yes, it's the NFL. The context should have made it pretty clear what team Fatman was referring to as being called the worst.
epitomizes the ridiculousness of Yankee fans, and he's a similar idiot as a Giants fan.
The 1980's, the Yankees made the playoffs twice with 1 WS appearance. In the 2010's, the Yankees made the playoffs 7 times with their lowest win total in a season being 84.
In relation to the rest of MLB, of which no bonus credits are given for spending either less or more money, a point imbeciles like arnie ignore, the Yanks are still a very good to excellent team in almost every decade they've played in.
Failing miserably can best be described as the attempts being made to argue the Yankees are failing miserably, but I don't expect dense fucks who want Boone and Cashman to be replaced after each loss to grasp that. arnie/Randal hasn't grasped that for any of the teams he follows - as he complains incessantly about ownership and coaching and gives little regard for actual successes the team has.
He'd rather just sound like a disgruntled, entitled jackass.
Wish him well.
Wish him well.
This. It’s a shame it didn’t work out here. It must be frustrating as a borderline major leaguer that finally gets his chance and doesn’t take advantage of it. Once Voit comes back, will Gittens get another chance with the big club.
I see what you did there.
Durham!
BTW, Thairo Estrada is batting .395 for SF's AAA affiliate. While he was here he proved he could hit for power at the MLB level, he could play any position, he was a fast baserunner and he was a natural shortstop. Do ya think he might be more useful than Odor ?
Unlike a lot of other people here I'm not going to bash Cashman for the Hicks or Severino contracts. I'm not going to bash him for bring in Kluber and Taillon. I don't remember anyone criticizing those moves when they were made so I won't either.
However many of the moves he made were just dumb from the get go. Bringing in Jay Bruce, Bringing back Gardner, trading Estrada for nothing and now trading Ford for nothing are stupid short sighted moves.
Being a Met fan, I don't really have any knowledge of Ford except for seeing a couple of at bats earlier this year. He looks like a big guy who could put it together and develop some power numbers.
I wish him well. Keep talking to the kids!!!! It makes their day!
If he real is a ML’er, yep.
If he real is a ML’er, yep.
We need Voit to get back and stay healthy. Anyone know if he started switch hitting in all that time off he got?
BTW, Thairo Estrada is batting .395 for SF's AAA affiliate. While he was here he proved he could hit for power at the MLB level, he could play any position, he was a fast baserunner and he was a natural shortstop. Do ya think he might be more useful than Odor ?
Unlike a lot of other people here I'm not going to bash Cashman for the Hicks or Severino contracts. I'm not going to bash him for bring in Kluber and Taillon. I don't remember anyone criticizing those moves when they were made so I won't either.
However many of the moves he made were just dumb from the get go. Bringing in Jay Bruce, Bringing back Gardner, trading Estrada for nothing and now trading Ford for nothing are stupid short sighted moves.
Whatever.
Ford had more than enough chances while here. He did not get it done. Time to move on. There are others on the way up. At 26/27 he has shown what he could do and AAAA looks like it.
Estrada is slightly more sad. But they have Park and Peraza on the way with what looks like a higher floor.
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He proved he could play in 2019. Its true that in abbreviated action on '20 and this year he didn't show much, but throwing him away like this while the likes of Kriske and Wilson are still on the 40 man roster is just plain dumb. Perhaps if he got more spring training and TD early season at bats instead of wasting them on Jay Bruce, he'd be more useful now.
BTW, Thairo Estrada is batting .395 for SF's AAA affiliate. While he was here he proved he could hit for power at the MLB level, he could play any position, he was a fast baserunner and he was a natural shortstop. Do ya think he might be more useful than Odor ?
Unlike a lot of other people here I'm not going to bash Cashman for the Hicks or Severino contracts. I'm not going to bash him for bring in Kluber and Taillon. I don't remember anyone criticizing those moves when they were made so I won't either.
However many of the moves he made were just dumb from the get go. Bringing in Jay Bruce, Bringing back Gardner, trading Estrada for nothing and now trading Ford for nothing are stupid short sighted moves.
Whatever.
Ford had more than enough chances while here. He did not get it done. Time to move on. There are others on the way up. At 26/27 he has shown what he could do and AAAA looks like it.
Estrada is slightly more sad. But they have Park and Peraza on the way with what looks like a higher floor.
He’ll be 29 in two weeks.
Can we define "failed miserably"?? Under Boone, the Yanks have made the playoffs every season, with over 100 wins in the two years he possibly could do that. They've finished 1st or 2nd that entire time in a division with the Rays and Sox.
Is failing miserably not winning the World Series?? Or is it just more ridiculous exaggeration?
Just in the last few months, the Yankees lost the talents of Mike Tauchman and Mike Ford. I mean, we had those guys, they were ours. And now they're not. Has a baseball franchise ever failed as spectacularly as that?
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But Cashman has to go, along with Levine, Boone, the coaches that Boone brought in, and several of the players. These guys have all had too many chances to get it done and have failed miserably.
Can we define "failed miserably"?? Under Boone, the Yanks have made the playoffs every season, with over 100 wins in the two years he possibly could do that. They've finished 1st or 2nd that entire time in a division with the Rays and Sox.
Is failing miserably not winning the World Series?? Or is it just more ridiculous exaggeration?
How about getting to the WS, that was last done in 2009.
At this point, that is failing miserably with this franchise. It's not the KC Royals, once every 30 years.
Now that they brought in Cole, it's WS or bust for them.
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But Cashman has to go, along with Levine, Boone, the coaches that Boone brought in, and several of the players. These guys have all had too many chances to get it done and have failed miserably.
Can we define "failed miserably"?? Under Boone, the Yanks have made the playoffs every season, with over 100 wins in the two years he possibly could do that. They've finished 1st or 2nd that entire time in a division with the Rays and Sox.
Is failing miserably not winning the World Series?? Or is it just more ridiculous exaggeration?
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How about getting to the WS, that was last done in 2009.
At this point, that is failing miserably with this franchise. It's not the KC Royals, once every 30 years.
Now that they brought in Cole, it's WS or bust for them.
This is why everyone on the planet can’t stand us Yankees fans. WS or bust? Give me a freakin break. The sense of entitlement with some of you is nauseating. Getting to the WS is hard! You aren’t owed anything. Be grateful that you’ve gotten what you have. Hope for the best but it’s time to stop acting like going to the WS is your birthright.
When the titles are brought up, they scream, THAT WAS A DECADE AGO!!!
The oddity with the Yankees is that they aren't even a bad team. they aren't even mediocre. They are a very good team. Now. Last year. For the past decade and more.
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But Cashman has to go, along with Levine, Boone, the coaches that Boone brought in, and several of the players. These guys have all had too many chances to get it done and have failed miserably.
Can we define "failed miserably"?? Under Boone, the Yanks have made the playoffs every season, with over 100 wins in the two years he possibly could do that. They've finished 1st or 2nd that entire time in a division with the Rays and Sox.
Is failing miserably not winning the World Series?? Or is it just more ridiculous exaggeration?
Among teams that lost the Series, the Rangers appeared twice during that time, the Dodgers 2x, the Tigers, Cards, Royals, Mets, Indians, Astros and Tampa were all in the Series.
So you can go ahead and pound your chest about winning the division 3 times in the last 12 years and making the playoffs where they have been bounced every single time. The longest WS drought in Yankee history was 1982-1995- 13 years. Cash is now 2010-2020, and I don't see this team making it this year.
When organizations like the Royals, Nationals, Tigers and Rangers can make a WS appearance in the last 10 years, you would think the Yankees could manage one.
I'm not sure what league you think the Giants play in, but yes, it's the NFL. The context should have made it pretty clear what team Fatman was referring to as being called the worst.
In the decade between 2010-2020 the Giants had the 24th best record in NFL even though they won a Super Bowl. They won 10 games or more three times and lost 10 games or more six times.
Those numbers make you wonder how some of the shitheads on BBI scream every time it's pointed that the Giants are one of the worst teams in the NFL.
As far as failing miserably goes it depends on your expectations for the Yankees and your personal definition of "failing miserably".
These are the Yankees the richest and most famous baseball team in the world and they play by MLB rules not NFL rules. MLB is not a level playing field and revenue is not split evenly among all the teams. There is no salary cap in MLB.
The Yankees have spent over 4 billion dollars in payroll since 2005 when the Don became too ill to carry out his duties and his small time capo GM consolidated his power and took over the baseball operation for life.
Since that time the Yankees have been to WS once and won it that one time.
The Red Sox have won the WS 3 times since 2005 and the Rays have been to two and lost both times.
We have often discussed on this web site how the Giants 2 outlier Super Bowls in the Tom Coughlin era are much > than Andy Reid's consistent excellence in his Philadelphia era that never brought home a Super Bowl win. That's in the NFL with a level playing field that makes continued excellence much more difficult than in MLB. There are no medals for almost winning championships in sports.
Maybe we could change that and award the Yankees a participation trophy for buying their way into the playoffs in MLB by spending anywhere from 50% to 150% more on players than their competition and then shitting the bed for a decade when the playoffs start? Making the playoffs in MLB with the highest payroll in the sport doesn't qualify for much of an accomplishment in my opinion.
By the Yankees own standards they have failed miserably in the last decade. The Yankees won the most games in MLB in the 80's. They won nothing. The 80's were a miserable failure.
The Yankees, who last won it all in 2009, have gone through longer pennant droughts overall. The franchise played 18 seasons before capturing its first AL pennant in 1921, and went dry for another 14 seasons from 1982-95. The waning years of Mickey Mantle’s career, and the subsequent beginnings of Yanks stars like Thurman Munson, Bobby Murcer and Sparky Lyle, saw the club go 11 seasons without a pennant from 1965-75.
Even in an era that’s featured more parity than any other in baseball history (the 1998-2000 Yankees remain the most recent repeat World Series champions), the pinstripes have certainly put themselves in strong positions to contend throughout the decade. The Yanks finished with the most wins (921) and highest run differential (+1,088) of any MLB team during the 2010s, meaning this will be the first decade in history in which the club with either of those distinctions failed to win a single pennant. They also tied the Dodgers for the most postseason appearances, with seven. The Wild Card Game means there are more competitors to deal with in October, but New York has only lost that winner-take-all gauntlet once (2015, to the Astros) this decade. The Bronx Bombers finished this decade with a 24-27 record (.471) in postseason games, just the third decade (joining the 1960s and ‘80s) in which the club posted a losing record in October.
Yanks 0-for-WS in decade for 1st time since 1910s - ( New Window )
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I'm not sure what league you think the Giants play in, but yes, it's the NFL. The context should have made it pretty clear what team Fatman was referring to as being called the worst.
Ummmm ok?
The 1980's, the Yankees made the playoffs twice with 1 WS appearance. In the 2010's, the Yankees made the playoffs 7 times with their lowest win total in a season being 84.
In relation to the rest of MLB, of which no bonus credits are given for spending either less or more money, a point imbeciles like arnie ignore, the Yanks are still a very good to excellent team in almost every decade they've played in.
Failing miserably can best be described as the attempts being made to argue the Yankees are failing miserably, but I don't expect dense fucks who want Boone and Cashman to be replaced after each loss to grasp that. arnie/Randal hasn't grasped that for any of the teams he follows - as he complains incessantly about ownership and coaching and gives little regard for actual successes the team has.
He'd rather just sound like a disgruntled, entitled jackass.