Can’t remember who, but a poster here called Melo a fake NBA superstar and that always seemed to be a good moniker for him. I always surprised by his numbers because he’s never seemed like a factor to any team in terms of winning a title. That aside, I couldn’t care less about Melo’s personal life. And really, who among us doesn’t have a few illegitimate kids floating around the country?
Can’t remember who, but a poster here called Melo a fake NBA superstar and that always seemed to be a good moniker for him. I always surprised by his numbers because he’s never seemed like a factor to any team in terms of winning a title. That aside, I couldn’t care less about Melo’s personal life. And really, who among us doesn’t have a few illegitimate kids floating around the country?
Won a title in college. Reality, in the past 15 years or so in the NBA, most teams have had 2-3 stars. LeBron won shit until he had Wade and Bosh around him. Carmelo in his primet played for some teams that didn't have the talent
Can’t remember who, but a poster here called Melo a fake NBA superstar and that always seemed to be a good moniker for him. I always surprised by his numbers because he’s never seemed like a factor to any team in terms of winning a title. That aside, I couldn’t care less about Melo’s personal life. And really, who among us doesn’t have a few illegitimate kids floating around the country?
Won a title in college. Reality, in the past 15 years or so in the NBA, most teams have had 2-3 stars. LeBron won shit until he had Wade and Bosh around him. Carmelo in his primet played for some teams that didn't have the talent
Not untrue...
The '12-'13 Knicks were his best shot..really got thrown off their momentum with the whole drama to end the Celtics series..but if they got past the Pacers I think they matched up well with Miami...
With that said...Melo NEVER made the leap defensively that was necessary, IMO.
Can’t remember who, but a poster here called Melo a fake NBA superstar and that always seemed to be a good moniker for him. I always surprised by his numbers because he’s never seemed like a factor to any team in terms of winning a title. That aside, I couldn’t care less about Melo’s personal life. And really, who among us doesn’t have a few illegitimate kids floating around the country?
Won a title in college. Reality, in the past 15 years or so in the NBA, most teams have had 2-3 stars. LeBron won shit until he had Wade and Bosh around him. Carmelo in his primet played for some teams that didn't have the talent
Not untrue...
The '12-'13 Knicks were his best shot..really got thrown off their momentum with the whole drama to end the Celtics series..but if they got past the Pacers I think they matched up well with Miami...
With that said...Melo NEVER made the leap defensively that was necessary, IMO.
If the '12-'13 Knicks were really Melo's best shot at a title, I think that only further proves the point that he never really had enough top talent surrounding him.
Who's the 2nd best player on that squad - Tyson Chandler probably? Amare was mostly hurt that year and I don't believe anyone would label JR Smith or Ray Felton as stars or champ-caliber running mates.
That said, you're right that his effort/ability on defense was seemingly never all that good. I know some fans defend that by saying he had to conserve energy to carry the offense and could at least be an average defender when he needed to be but eh...maybe someone with a more precise eye for basketball could comment better on that than I.
Can’t remember who, but a poster here called Melo a fake NBA superstar and that always seemed to be a good moniker for him. I always surprised by his numbers because he’s never seemed like a factor to any team in terms of winning a title. That aside, I couldn’t care less about Melo’s personal life. And really, who among us doesn’t have a few illegitimate kids floating around the country?
Such a bad take.
He carried every team he was on, Melo never had a 2nd star much less 3.
LeBron learned early on he need talent around him to win a title.
Durant, Harden, Kyrie, Stef are not winning titles alone.
Melo went his own way and it did not end up with rings.
Melo in his prime was unstoppable at times.
Devastating ISO player, that turn around fade was hard to defend.
and never had another weapon while carrying every team he's ever played for other than Portland. He's 37 and still contributing.
You may not like him but he's a not a "fake" superstar - whatever the fuck that means. He's a legit superstar.
From a personal standpoint, he's also a helluva nice guy. And he's not the first, nor the last, athlete who stuck his dick in someone other than his wife.
I could’ve sworn this happened already a few years ago
Like around the time he forced his way off the Knicks they were splitting up because he got a stripper pregnant or something like that. Am I making that up?
he’s a shoe in. Just can’t stand him and I think the “fake superstar” label is accurate. MarshMelo was an accurate nickname for him. His tenure as a Knick showed his lack of leadership skills and his ability to put himself above everything else. Just not a guy I’d want on my team.
His age has humbled him since he can’t pull that shit anymore but when he was at his peak I couldn’t stand how he carried himself.
I'm questioning his status as a great player. Sure, he could fill up buckets.
But he was/is a classic me-first gunner. And his stats tell the story - top ten in history shot with attempts, yet only 2.8 assists per game in his career on 2.5 TOVs per game.
I find melo at best the 3rd best player on a championship team
He is a black hole ( ball would be sucked in the vortex)when passed the ball, u weren’t seeing the ball again a lot of times.
Just found him underwhelming way too much
Vince Carter always struck me as the same type of player (basketball mentality wise). A ton of individual talent but not team players and you just knew they weren't winners and weren't going to win any championships.
RE: RE: one of my least favorite NBA players of all time
which has nothing to do with the OP but came to say that nonetheless.
I second this. I believe Melo is one of - if not THE - most overrated "superstars" in the history of the NBA.
How is he overrated? Half the people here are shitting on him because he didn’t lead a team to an NBA championship without a 2nd star, let alone a 3rd star. Something that LeBron never did. Durant never did. Curry never did. Shit, MJ never did it. He had Pippen, and Rodman for 3. Yeah, I guess you can so he’s overrated because people think he’s so good he should have single-handedly taken those teams to some titles. Kobe had Shaq. Duncan had Parker and Ginobili (and Robinson some). Nowitzki had Kidd and Marion. Wade in his first title had Shaq, Mourning, and Payton.
He played one year of college ball. He had a second star in Gerry McNamara. He never played in the NBA, but was a star in college. They won a title.
For the life of me, please tell me why Carmelo is the only player who is held to the standard of having to carry his team to a title.
which has nothing to do with the OP but came to say that nonetheless.
I second this. I believe Melo is one of - if not THE - most overrated "superstars" in the history of the NBA.
How is he overrated? Half the people here are shitting on him because he didn’t lead a team to an NBA championship without a 2nd star, let alone a 3rd star. Something that LeBron never did. Durant never did. Curry never did. Shit, MJ never did it. He had Pippen, and Rodman for 3. Yeah, I guess you can so he’s overrated because people think he’s so good he should have single-handedly taken those teams to some titles. Kobe had Shaq. Duncan had Parker and Ginobili (and Robinson some). Nowitzki had Kidd and Marion. Wade in his first title had Shaq, Mourning, and Payton.
He played one year of college ball. He had a second star in Gerry McNamara. He never played in the NBA, but was a star in college. They won a title.
For the life of me, please tell me why Carmelo is the only player who is held to the standard of having to carry his team to a title.
Yup. Great post.
I think it's personal with some of these characters posting the Melo hate. It certainly can't be based on logic. He didn't play great defense? Ok.
I'm not going to bang on a drum & declare Melo to be top 30 or whatever of all time, but the man is a HOFer without ?. It's not even a debate. Also, it's not the NBA HOF...it's the Basketball HOF so his time @ 'Cuse-where he won a title in his sole season-matters. Were you going to win an NBA title with Melo as your top dog? No, but you could say that about a lot of HOFers. And again, when Mitch Fucking Richmond is in Springfield, Melo will be too. The NBA lets everyone in, but Melo deservedly belongs there.
I'm one of those who thinks Melo is actually underrated with all the arrows he's gotten over the years. He was The Man on some very good Nuggets teams in a stacked West...took the '08-'09 Lakers to Game 6 of the WCF...revitalized basketball in NY...found his place in Portland as a spark off the bench. He made 6 All NBA Teams, meaning he was top 15 guy in the league during a really good era talent wise.
TMac? I’d put him up there for sure. Heck I wouldn’t get bent out of shape if you said Derrick rose and he won an MVP and atleast got to an ECF.
T-Mac, at his peak, was probably better than Melo. Just didn't have as good a career. Rose...who knows how his career plays out if he doesn't get injured in the spring of '12?
T-Mac's career is interesting because summer of 2000, Magic sign him & Hill & it looks like Orlando will be a force again in the league, with McGrady being Robin to Hill's Batman. And then injuries just derail Hill's career. Because of the injuries, people forget how damn good Grant Hill was before his body started betraying him. He was a beast.
I remember there was talk that summer about Duncan going to the Magic too, though I can't recall if that was a longshot or a live possibility.
I said he’s getting in. I also think he’s a dog and was a bad teammate for a considerable part of his career. Also a coach killer.
Why is it personal? Plenty of players across sports that I don’t think are as good as others might.
You said you hate that he’s making the HOF lol. You sound like a salty UConn fan
Has nothing to do with Cuse. I actually picked them to win that year in my high school pool and won money, thanks Melo! Im also comfortable with all my UConn titles and loved the rivalry.
Why do you care that I think he’s overrated?
Gee, he’s 37 and a free agent whose best playing days and
Highest earning potential are way behind him, and no team is going to pay him more than 2-3 mil if he decides to continue another season or two. Split over two families?
This is a math equation. If he was ten years younger, there’d be no story.
Also, it's not the NBA HOF...it's the Basketball HOF so his time @ 'Cuse-where he won a title in his sole season-matters.
to that point, as well -
Anthony has played in the Olympics for the US national team a record four times, winning a bronze medal with the 2004 squad and gold medals on the 2008, 2012, and 2016 Olympic teams. As of April 2016, he was the US Olympic team's all-time leader in points,[3] rebounds, and games played.[4]
T-Mac's career is interesting because summer of 2000, Magic sign him & Hill & it looks like Orlando will be a force again in the league, with McGrady being Robin to Hill's Batman. And then injuries just derail Hill's career. Because of the injuries, people forget how damn good Grant Hill was before his body started betraying him. He was a beast.
I remember there was talk that summer about Duncan going to the Magic too, though I can't recall if that was a longshot or a live possibility.
Sure but can we call anyone overrated then? We do it for every other sport. We have Aaron Rodgers threads about how overrated he is, and Melo is off limits?
UConn, I have no problem in someone arguing Melo is overrated. That's their opinion. I think he's become underrated with all the heat thrown his way that people actually forget how damn good he was.
But the argument over whether he deserves to get into the HOF is silly. It's not really even a close call.
I said he’s getting in. I also think he’s a dog and was a bad teammate for a considerable part of his career. Also a coach killer.
Why is it personal? Plenty of players across sports that I don’t think are as good as others might.
You said you hate that he’s making the HOF lol. You sound like a salty UConn fan
Has nothing to do with Cuse. I actually picked them to win that year in my high school pool and won money, thanks Melo! Im also comfortable with all my UConn titles and loved the rivalry.
Why do you care that I think he’s overrated?
You hate that he’s going to the HOF, but it’s not personal. So he doesn’t deserve it? He is a 10 time all-star and 6 time all-NBA. In one year of college, he was a 2nd team All-American as a freshman, won a title, and was Most Outstanding Player in the Final Four. His Olympic accomplishments were noted above.
Here is a list of some NBA HOFers that have gotten in recently: Dennis Johnson, Chris Mullin, Gus Johnson, A. Sabonis, Artis Gilmore, Reggie Miller, Bernard King, Mourning, Richmond, Divac, Silkma. And I left off a ton of guys most people have never heard of. That is just the past 11-12 years of HOF classes.
You hating that he’s in the HOF is either personal, or you don’t know shit about basketball
He's a HOFer &-putting Knicks fandom aside-Reggie Miller is one of the more overrated dudes I've seen as an NBA fan, which begins circa '90. He made the ASG five times. Five. He never made a First or Second Team All NBA. Yeah, I'm not going to dispute he was clutch in crunch time, but the way some people talk about him...you'd think he was one of the best players of the '90s. I was there. He wasn't.
I said he’s getting in. I also think he’s a dog and was a bad teammate for a considerable part of his career. Also a coach killer.
Why is it personal? Plenty of players across sports that I don’t think are as good as others might.
You said you hate that he’s making the HOF lol. You sound like a salty UConn fan
Has nothing to do with Cuse. I actually picked them to win that year in my high school pool and won money, thanks Melo! Im also comfortable with all my UConn titles and loved the rivalry.
Why do you care that I think he’s overrated?
You hate that he’s going to the HOF, but it’s not personal. So he doesn’t deserve it? He is a 10 time all-star and 6 time all-NBA. In one year of college, he was a 2nd team All-American as a freshman, won a title, and was Most Outstanding Player in the Final Four. His Olympic accomplishments were noted above.
Here is a list of some NBA HOFers that have gotten in recently: Dennis Johnson, Chris Mullin, Gus Johnson, A. Sabonis, Artis Gilmore, Reggie Miller, Bernard King, Mourning, Richmond, Divac, Silkma. And I left off a ton of guys most people have never heard of. That is just the past 11-12 years of HOF classes.
You hating that he’s in the HOF is either personal, or you don’t know shit about basketball
Cry a little more buddy. I don’t think he’s as good as you do. You’re either a Knicks homer or a Cuse homer or both. See how juvenile that is? Allen Iverson was a rival of UConn and I don’t hate him, wonder why?
Deal with people thinking he’s overrated, I’m certainly not alone in thinking it.
Seems to me those who think he's a no-brainer HoFer are pretty spot on. UCONN sounds like he has a personal issue with Carmelo. Weird takes all over the place.
Is it?
Won a title in college. Reality, in the past 15 years or so in the NBA, most teams have had 2-3 stars. LeBron won shit until he had Wade and Bosh around him. Carmelo in his primet played for some teams that didn't have the talent
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Can’t remember who, but a poster here called Melo a fake NBA superstar and that always seemed to be a good moniker for him. I always surprised by his numbers because he’s never seemed like a factor to any team in terms of winning a title. That aside, I couldn’t care less about Melo’s personal life. And really, who among us doesn’t have a few illegitimate kids floating around the country?
Won a title in college. Reality, in the past 15 years or so in the NBA, most teams have had 2-3 stars. LeBron won shit until he had Wade and Bosh around him. Carmelo in his primet played for some teams that didn't have the talent
Not untrue...
The '12-'13 Knicks were his best shot..really got thrown off their momentum with the whole drama to end the Celtics series..but if they got past the Pacers I think they matched up well with Miami...
With that said...Melo NEVER made the leap defensively that was necessary, IMO.
Does make you wonder...haven’t these guys watched Ray Donovan?
Does make you wonder...haven’t these guys watched Ray Donovan?
A NBA player no less, I'm about to faint from shock!
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Can’t remember who, but a poster here called Melo a fake NBA superstar and that always seemed to be a good moniker for him. I always surprised by his numbers because he’s never seemed like a factor to any team in terms of winning a title. That aside, I couldn’t care less about Melo’s personal life. And really, who among us doesn’t have a few illegitimate kids floating around the country?
Won a title in college. Reality, in the past 15 years or so in the NBA, most teams have had 2-3 stars. LeBron won shit until he had Wade and Bosh around him. Carmelo in his primet played for some teams that didn't have the talent
Not untrue...
The '12-'13 Knicks were his best shot..really got thrown off their momentum with the whole drama to end the Celtics series..but if they got past the Pacers I think they matched up well with Miami...
With that said...Melo NEVER made the leap defensively that was necessary, IMO.
If the '12-'13 Knicks were really Melo's best shot at a title, I think that only further proves the point that he never really had enough top talent surrounding him.
Who's the 2nd best player on that squad - Tyson Chandler probably? Amare was mostly hurt that year and I don't believe anyone would label JR Smith or Ray Felton as stars or champ-caliber running mates.
That said, you're right that his effort/ability on defense was seemingly never all that good. I know some fans defend that by saying he had to conserve energy to carry the offense and could at least be an average defender when he needed to be but eh...maybe someone with a more precise eye for basketball could comment better on that than I.
It's 2021. Just wait for it.
Such a bad take.
He carried every team he was on, Melo never had a 2nd star much less 3.
LeBron learned early on he need talent around him to win a title.
Durant, Harden, Kyrie, Stef are not winning titles alone.
Melo went his own way and it did not end up with rings.
Melo in his prime was unstoppable at times.
Devastating ISO player, that turn around fade was hard to defend.
Not on here much anymore but good to see u post and an awesome one to boot. lol. Hope you are well.
And tbh this is literally about as shocking as the sun coming up
I second this. I believe Melo is one of - if not THE - most overrated "superstars" in the history of the NBA.
You may not like him but he's a not a "fake" superstar - whatever the fuck that means. He's a legit superstar.
From a personal standpoint, he's also a helluva nice guy. And he's not the first, nor the last, athlete who stuck his dick in someone other than his wife.
His age has humbled him since he can’t pull that shit anymore but when he was at his peak I couldn’t stand how he carried himself.
But he was/is a classic me-first gunner. And his stats tell the story - top ten in history shot with attempts, yet only 2.8 assists per game in his career on 2.5 TOVs per game.
Not very flattering.
He is a black hole ( ball would be sucked in the vortex)when passed the ball, u weren’t seeing the ball again a lot of times.
Just found him underwhelming way too much
Might hate him, but he's a HOF. If Ben Fucking Wallace is getting into Springfield, Melo is too. And-to this story-who cares?
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which has nothing to do with the OP but came to say that nonetheless.
I second this. I believe Melo is one of - if not THE - most overrated "superstars" in the history of the NBA.
How is he overrated? Half the people here are shitting on him because he didn’t lead a team to an NBA championship without a 2nd star, let alone a 3rd star. Something that LeBron never did. Durant never did. Curry never did. Shit, MJ never did it. He had Pippen, and Rodman for 3. Yeah, I guess you can so he’s overrated because people think he’s so good he should have single-handedly taken those teams to some titles. Kobe had Shaq. Duncan had Parker and Ginobili (and Robinson some). Nowitzki had Kidd and Marion. Wade in his first title had Shaq, Mourning, and Payton.
He played one year of college ball. He had a second star in Gerry McNamara. He never played in the NBA, but was a star in college. They won a title.
For the life of me, please tell me why Carmelo is the only player who is held to the standard of having to carry his team to a title.
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Might hate him, but he's a HOF. If Ben Fucking Wallace is getting into Springfield, Melo is too. And-to this story-who cares?
Bingo. This is one of those sports IQ tests. A lot of people here are failing mightily.
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which has nothing to do with the OP but came to say that nonetheless.
I second this. I believe Melo is one of - if not THE - most overrated "superstars" in the history of the NBA.
How is he overrated? Half the people here are shitting on him because he didn’t lead a team to an NBA championship without a 2nd star, let alone a 3rd star. Something that LeBron never did. Durant never did. Curry never did. Shit, MJ never did it. He had Pippen, and Rodman for 3. Yeah, I guess you can so he’s overrated because people think he’s so good he should have single-handedly taken those teams to some titles. Kobe had Shaq. Duncan had Parker and Ginobili (and Robinson some). Nowitzki had Kidd and Marion. Wade in his first title had Shaq, Mourning, and Payton.
He played one year of college ball. He had a second star in Gerry McNamara. He never played in the NBA, but was a star in college. They won a title.
For the life of me, please tell me why Carmelo is the only player who is held to the standard of having to carry his team to a title.
Yup. Great post.
I think it's personal with some of these characters posting the Melo hate. It certainly can't be based on logic. He didn't play great defense? Ok.
Why is it personal? Plenty of players across sports that I don’t think are as good as others might.
TMac? I’d put him up there for sure. Heck I wouldn’t get bent out of shape if you said Derrick rose and he won an MVP and atleast got to an ECF.
Why is it personal? Plenty of players across sports that I don’t think are as good as others might.
You said you hate that he’s making the HOF lol. You sound like a salty UConn fan
TMac? I’d put him up there for sure. Heck I wouldn’t get bent out of shape if you said Derrick rose and he won an MVP and atleast got to an ECF.
T-Mac, at his peak, was probably better than Melo. Just didn't have as good a career. Rose...who knows how his career plays out if he doesn't get injured in the spring of '12?
I remember there was talk that summer about Duncan going to the Magic too, though I can't recall if that was a longshot or a live possibility.
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I said he’s getting in. I also think he’s a dog and was a bad teammate for a considerable part of his career. Also a coach killer.
Why is it personal? Plenty of players across sports that I don’t think are as good as others might.
You said you hate that he’s making the HOF lol. You sound like a salty UConn fan
Has nothing to do with Cuse. I actually picked them to win that year in my high school pool and won money, thanks Melo! Im also comfortable with all my UConn titles and loved the rivalry.
Why do you care that I think he’s overrated?
This is a math equation. If he was ten years younger, there’d be no story.
to that point, as well -
Anthony has played in the Olympics for the US national team a record four times, winning a bronze medal with the 2004 squad and gold medals on the 2008, 2012, and 2016 Olympic teams. As of April 2016, he was the US Olympic team's all-time leader in points,[3] rebounds, and games played.[4]
I remember there was talk that summer about Duncan going to the Magic too, though I can't recall if that was a longshot or a live possibility.
Sure but can we call anyone overrated then? We do it for every other sport. We have Aaron Rodgers threads about how overrated he is, and Melo is off limits?
Again, he's getting in. And I personally think it's not even an argument.
But the argument over whether he deserves to get into the HOF is silly. It's not really even a close call.
Well one poster called him a 'Fake NBA superstar' so I guess that person is making that argument.
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I said he’s getting in. I also think he’s a dog and was a bad teammate for a considerable part of his career. Also a coach killer.
Why is it personal? Plenty of players across sports that I don’t think are as good as others might.
You said you hate that he’s making the HOF lol. You sound like a salty UConn fan
Has nothing to do with Cuse. I actually picked them to win that year in my high school pool and won money, thanks Melo! Im also comfortable with all my UConn titles and loved the rivalry.
Why do you care that I think he’s overrated?
You hate that he’s going to the HOF, but it’s not personal. So he doesn’t deserve it? He is a 10 time all-star and 6 time all-NBA. In one year of college, he was a 2nd team All-American as a freshman, won a title, and was Most Outstanding Player in the Final Four. His Olympic accomplishments were noted above.
Here is a list of some NBA HOFers that have gotten in recently: Dennis Johnson, Chris Mullin, Gus Johnson, A. Sabonis, Artis Gilmore, Reggie Miller, Bernard King, Mourning, Richmond, Divac, Silkma. And I left off a ton of guys most people have never heard of. That is just the past 11-12 years of HOF classes.
You hating that he’s in the HOF is either personal, or you don’t know shit about basketball
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I said he’s getting in. I also think he’s a dog and was a bad teammate for a considerable part of his career. Also a coach killer.
Why is it personal? Plenty of players across sports that I don’t think are as good as others might.
You said you hate that he’s making the HOF lol. You sound like a salty UConn fan
Has nothing to do with Cuse. I actually picked them to win that year in my high school pool and won money, thanks Melo! Im also comfortable with all my UConn titles and loved the rivalry.
Why do you care that I think he’s overrated?
You hate that he’s going to the HOF, but it’s not personal. So he doesn’t deserve it? He is a 10 time all-star and 6 time all-NBA. In one year of college, he was a 2nd team All-American as a freshman, won a title, and was Most Outstanding Player in the Final Four. His Olympic accomplishments were noted above.
Here is a list of some NBA HOFers that have gotten in recently: Dennis Johnson, Chris Mullin, Gus Johnson, A. Sabonis, Artis Gilmore, Reggie Miller, Bernard King, Mourning, Richmond, Divac, Silkma. And I left off a ton of guys most people have never heard of. That is just the past 11-12 years of HOF classes.
You hating that he’s in the HOF is either personal, or you don’t know shit about basketball
Cry a little more buddy. I don’t think he’s as good as you do. You’re either a Knicks homer or a Cuse homer or both. See how juvenile that is? Allen Iverson was a rival of UConn and I don’t hate him, wonder why?
Deal with people thinking he’s overrated, I’m certainly not alone in thinking it.