Why Daniel Jones constantly turns the ball over.

He was bad in his first year….not his second year.

In fact 4 of his interceptions were off the hands of Engram and two fumbles charged to him were really not just on him. One a pitchout and one a fumbled snap on a handoff.

So take last years total and minus 6 and what do you have?

This thread would have been much better one year ago today. It is irrelevant today.

of the thread, I thought ..."Oh crap! Seriously?!" Then I saw Klaatu was the OP and I figured it's worth checking out

Jones may not have been as bad in his second year as he was in his first, but he was still bad, and has plenty of room for improvement. It remains to be seen if he will improve.

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had everything to do with a lack of pocket presence and not a lack of grip strenth.

I've tended to dismiss alot of the criticism as just bloggers satisfying a need. Similar to the Kevin Killdrive rants.
This was fair and soundly based. Went a long way to educating a blogger (me) who was operating with his own prejudices.

...it's that by cutting them down he also significantly cut down his TDs.

If he has less than 20 TDs in 2021 I don't see the Giants as a winning team. In other words, he need to both limit turnovers and be aggressive.

Treats turnovers as the symptom not problem in and of itself, which is true. He seems to hit on the key causes for his turnover issues.

it really would have helped if he had real talent available at one or two other positions, like RB, WR, TE and OL.

It is absolutely the case that DJ might end up sucking to a Go-Terps-grade degree. How about we see what he looks like with real talent around him without concluding that he is a dispassionate turnover machine? To be sure, he need to prove that he can read defenses at a rapid pace, one of his potential weakensses.

HOWEVER, in doing so, it really helps if all-around offensive talent helps make the font bigger. All of a sudden if he gets decent blocking, a rb that can make defenses fearful, and a group of receivers who can get open and catch the ball, and his defense-reading grades will magically get better, along with his aggressiveness.

In comment 15290375 5BowlsSoon said:

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He was bad in his first year….not his second year. In fact 4 of his interceptions were off the hands of Engram and two fumbles charged to him were really not just on him. One a pitchout and one a fumbled snap on a handoff. So take last years total and minus 6 and what do you have? This thread would have been much better one year ago today. It is irrelevant today.

Irrelevant today?

By today you obviously mean June 20, as in the season starts in several months, right?

I don't think this youtuber watched the Giants during the season, most of the plays he showed to make his arguments were two games. The TB game where I think was the lowest point in Jones's career and the Cardinals game where everyone knows he was playing injured.

And I have a really hard time trying to take this guy seriously when he says the play at the 8:20 mark should've been another turnover.

Now, regarding Jones I think we've seen 3 different quarterbacks during his career so far.

There was the rookie with incredible flashes and moments but with a real turnover problem, some were bad luck, some really bad awareness (which can be expected to some extent for a rookie).

Then there was the really bad version that showed thru games 1-8 where I just think he was completely lost mentally, he didn't seemed like he had any confidence and was trying too hard not to fumble the ball and forgetting some other fundamentals.

And his third version that came right after his lowest point in his career which, to me, was his best version so far and the one I think he can/will work on. Confident, accurate throws right until his injury, which I think slowed his progress down by a lot.

Sure, there was just six games since he "turned the corner" (for me), and there was that really bad Arizona game in the middle of it(injured game). During this stretch he had 4 TD passes, 1 rushing TD and 3 TO's, IIRC 3 passes that ended at the 1 yard line resulting in a RB rushing TD the very next play and 1 rushing TD called back in a holding call.

And in the biggest moment he's played to this day, which was essentially a playoff game for the Giants vs the cowboys, he did lead us to the win with a pretty good, not perfect game.


In the end, I hope and BELIEVE he is going to build onto this last version he showed and become a franchise QB, especially when you compare his offensive teammates last season and this season, but I do understand those that think he won't. So far he showed flashes of both sides, I think we'll know soon enough which one is the true DJ.

with his TDs has way less to do with Jones, and way more to do with the situation around him. No Saquon, Tate falling off a cliff, and Engram becoming the primary weapon have way more to do with it. Combine that with an offensive philosophy shift because we could lean on the defense and an offensive line that ran block at a decent clip. Nuance is lost with the pure stats crowd.

that gets almost two minutes of analysis is from the Week 9 game at WFT, the week after the Tampa Bay game.

Jones got a fortunate bounce after he dropped the ball and came out of the game with no turnovers charged, cause for celebration in some quarters.

Should be apparent that his issues go beyond the bounce of the ball.

Commentator mentions that Jones left a big play on the field.

Yes and no. He did miss the open receiver but the play was coming back anyway because Lemieux tackled his man, drawing a holding flag that was declined because of the sack-fumble.

In comment 15290403 manh george said:

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it really would have helped if he had real talent available at one or two other positions, like RB, WR, TE and OL. It is absolutely the case that DJ might end up sucking to a Go-Terps-grade degree. How about we see what he looks like with real talent around him without concluding that he is a dispassionate turnover machine? To be sure, he need to prove that he can read defenses at a rapid pace, one of his potential weakensses. HOWEVER, in doing so, it really helps if all-around offensive talent helps make the font bigger. All of a sudden if he gets decent blocking, a rb that can make defenses fearful, and a group of receivers who can get open and catch the ball, and his defense-reading grades will magically get better, along with his aggressiveness.

Totally agree.

1. Jones
2. The rest of the offense
3. Jason Garrett’s system

His turnovers and overall performance are tied to the scheme which is tied to the performance of his surrounding cast. Garrett modified his scheme because the line couldn’t protect and the WR couldn’t get open. Opposing defenses took advantage by.applying pressure that the line couldn’t handle and gave Jones little time to make plays. We can be pretty certain the offense skill talent is much improved with Golladay, Rudolph and hopefully Toney and the return of Barkley. Whether the OL is better is an open question but I think saying, as this guy did, they will be in the bottom five is as wrong as saying they will be in the top five.

to figure out why he turns the ball over. His receivers were trash.They couldn't explode off the line and allow jones to get the ball out quickly. He was unfamiliar with the system and he showed over time before the injury that he has the skills to be an "Alex Smith" type of QB

I am so confident that Jones will be THE GUY who will lead this team to a deep playoff run with the new weapons he has around him now. I really believe the division is The Giants to lose

In comment 15290572 lightemup said:

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I am so confident that Jones will be THE GUY who will lead this team to a deep playoff run with the new weapons he has around him now. I really believe the division is The Giants to lose

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According to the narrator's analysis, notwithstanding the weak O line and mediocre receivers, Jones football IQ is not all that high.

passing game for years now because several different coaching staffs were faced with the same reality. The Giants cannot reliability pass protect

This predates Jones and Garrett.

Part of the reason is poor pocket presence. Part of the reason is lack of playmakers around him. But the #1 and most glaring reason is the horrible pass protection, some of which is on him for the lack of recognition pre snap. If the OL improves to league average and Jones does not the Giants have a problem.

In comment 15291330 GeofromNJ said:

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According to the narrator's analysis, notwithstanding the weak O line and mediocre receivers, Jones football IQ is not all that high.

His rookie year he was the #2 in today's watered down camps so he didn't have first team reps. In his second year he had no camp or pre-season games to learn a new offense.

I think with a camp; second year in this system; improved OL and Receiving group; well, we will know by around mid-season what D. Jones "football IQ" is (pre-snap reading of defenses).

I have a feeling he is going to be very accurate and will use his legs to get cheap first downs as well as freeing himself for deeper passes.

His stats when he has had time are pretty good, very good actually. That gives me reason for hope